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00:02:09,675\n我是覺得說這可能對他們全體來講是不公平我在想我們的行政單位這部分可能要去適宜因為畢竟台灣對印度族群是非常非常的陌生那再來還有一點就是我們真的要對這個族群有更多的這個瞭解他不是單純就只有回教啦或是佛教啦之類的他們的宗教真的真的非常的這個複雜所以他們進來之後我們真的要做到\n\n6\n00:02:10,535 --> 00:02:29,562\n對這個多元族群跟文化的這個尊重我想這個行政單位真是要做一點功課下一點功夫免得大家進來之後呢因為產生一些誤解而產生一些社會的衝突我想這個部分是我們要來做避免的OK那再來還有一點剛剛很多委員都提到同樣的這個問題比如說\n\n7\n00:02:32,344 --> 00:02:50,355\n我們有提到說什麼時候要試辦我們要開放哪些這個產業那還有直接聘僱計畫等等我在想剛剛部長都已經有說了一些說明可是我在想好像有些部分真的還沒有準備好我的感覺部長您剛剛的這說法我是覺得說有些東西我們說我們簽的MOU可是很多細節到目前為止我的感覺都還沒有一個雛形出來\n\n8\n00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:04,763\n那當然所有委員的這個問題其實也希望說既然我們已經簽了MOU我們已經要讓這些印度移工要進來了我們應該要做更多更多的這個準備我想這是一定要的那當然我本來也準備了相同的這個問題我想因為剛剛很多委員都已經有提問了所以我就把這個問題稍微做一些省略\n\n9\n00:03:28,433 --> 00:03:38,578\n昨天我們勞動署有發了一個新聞就是說留住僑外生的人力所以我們要開放從事\n\n10\n00:03:40,078 --> 00:03:42,760\n李素燁中階技術的工作。\n\n11\n00:03:54,625 --> 00:04:19,025\n好那這幾個月其實我一直都有跟喬萬森在做一些對話那當然我們有歸類出了幾大項可能需要我們勞動部跟相關的單位像國防會也好、全國會也好、經濟部也好我們可能要一起來做很像的一些溝通我們居然要把人給留住不是只是口號我們要怎麼做這些問題要怎麼解決喬萬森的訴求我們要怎麼樣來做回應\n\n12\n00:04:23,608 --> 00:04:50,930\n我們大概是歸類為四大類僑衛生他的訴求我們說夠病啦那我們既然想把人留住你就勢必要在制度上面要做一些開放比如說我們現在目前限制從事15類專門技術性的這工作僑衛生只能做這15類那目前我們看到的就是昨天昨天我們勞發署說可能會想要開放這個理數業那除理數業之外呢我們還有沒有考慮其他開放\n\n13\n00:04:51,610 --> 00:05:15,284\n其他所謂的其他的行業有沒有其他的構想?其實喬惠森是一個非常優質的外國人才我們正在盡一切方法把他留下來因為我們勞動力真的缺乏嘛那麼是不是有開放其他的可能性其實其他部會也有提出要求比如說有沒有其他的想法?\n\n14\n00:05:16,363 --> 00:05:16,503\n﹚羅美玲\n\n15\n00:05:46,589 --> 00:06:06,267\n這並不是就是說像喬惠生願不願意從事旅宿業這也要尊重他們那只是提供一個機會多一個機會而已對然後呢這個喬惠生他的薪水一定他有一定薪資程度以上啦所以這也不可能說去拉低國人的薪資這樣子他不是移工啦\n\n16\n00:06:06,767 --> 00:06:16,076\n他不是我們那種低層次的移工嘛所以他是人才我們想辦法要把他留下來那到底我們評點是會不會整個被取消?會嗎?我們會拿掉這個評點是嗎?不是取消而是把他的門檻打開民俄沒有限制了現在是不是?我們也是還沒開放嗎?還沒還沒這個要再修法你們的時程呢?時程民俄打開8月底前修辦法\n\n17\n00:06:31,870 --> 00:06:35,233\n然後呢,年底前,對,營業額這個限制我們也會檢討取消嗎?我們也會檢討取消。對,對,對,最後要推動修法。\n\n18\n00:06:53,393 --> 00:06:58,794\n對,因為這才是一個長久的把喬外森這個人才留下來的工作許可的方式工作許可他們在申請的時候有些企業界的老闆他會覺得流程非常的複雜就覺得這麼複雜我就不要用喬外森這個部分呢\n\n19\n00:07:22,681 --> 00:07:36,920\n我們就是來檢討,我們一定來檢討這個問題,如果要修法的話就要來檢討這個制度因為時間的關係,像第4點求學期間打工受限,畢業求職期間沒有辦法打工這個是一直很大的一個訴求所以這部分的話我在想第4點\n\n20\n00:07:37,941 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