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Psychiatry期刊也指出，使用人工智慧語音助手來進行心理治療，患者的憂鬱和焦慮症狀可以獲得改善。","我們再來看一下今年2月最新的研究發表，自COVID-19以來，英國民眾對於心理健康的服務需求持續提升，所以有公司開發聊天機器人，運用AI提供民眾具有同理心的回應和鼓勵，透過聊天的資訊，機器人也協助轉介民眾到需要的心理醫療服務，以該研究顯示，這個AI Bot已經幫助了22萬名的病患完成轉診。請教部長，您剛剛說您不是很瞭解，但是我想再次確認，以您的瞭解，目前國內有沒有將AI運用在學生輔導工作的相關研究或嘗試？"],["鄭部長英耀：就教育的現場，我想是沒有的，但是委員剛才所提供的，確實我覺得那是非常好的一個輔助方式，它不僅是用來對學生，也包括對老人的一個照護，我想它都變成是一個非常好的陪伴者。"],["葛委員如鈞：很好，謝謝部長，非常open minded，我可以提供給您，彰師大有嘗試採取「大數據分析輔助大學輔導模式」的建置規劃，並且在2023年將相關的研究成果發表在相關的心理學期刊，我們已經有不只一所學校在嘗試，希望教育部能夠進一步瞭解，並且擴大辦理，瞭解可行的方案。請教部長，教育部有沒有可能來投入一些經費？既然您剛剛都非常open 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00:01:32,042\n總怕有經費的困難先不論經費困境的合理性但終究資源有限我們還是要設法接觸每個孩子才是關鍵因此如何善用其他的機制就是我們要一起努力的方向尤其善用科技的力量就是一個好方法請教一下部長您覺得AI可以用來作為協助學生輔導的工具嗎你認為可以怎麼運用AI來協助學生輔導\n\n5\n00:01:36,610 --> 00:01:54,041\n確實這個部分我是比較生疏,但是從AI怎麼樣去了解到這個學生的許多的這些問題的樣態,能夠提供我們這個專業老師的一些這個輔導的一個介入,我想這是可以使用的。\n\n6\n00:01:54,201 --> 00:02:07,286\n我想我們做監督智衡也是要來協作我已經幫您都整理好了這是一篇2017年的研究史丹佛大學開發這個Wobot聊天機器人這個已經驗證了這個一組學生\n\n7\n00:02:09,787 --> 00:02:31,347\n跟憂鬱症他如果去讀治療憂鬱症的電子書相比起跟人工智慧機器人Wobot聊天兩個星期以後Wobot組的學生症狀明顯減輕。二零二年十一月確GPD又橫空出世今年五月又發行新的版本事實上有越來越多新的方法\n\n8\n00:02:31,707 --> 00:02:55,993\n可以來協助我們來幫助學生我們來看英國就有醫療單位使用AI機器人作為求助者的減傷分類工具由AI來幫忙判斷求助者是否需要緊急協助或是需要提供心理治療等建議注意在AI這裡的角色就像是一個虛擬助手而不是一個虛擬心理師他只是做協助的\n\n9\n00:02:56,593 --> 00:03:22,439\n另一個案例根據2023年在《Nature》底下的《TranslationalPsychiatry》的期刊也指出使用人工智慧語音助手來進行心理治療患者的憂鬱和焦慮的症狀可以獲得改善我們再來看一下今年2月最新的研究發表自COVID-19以來英國的民眾對於心理健康的服務需求持續提升所以有公司開發聊天機器人\n\n10\n00:03:23,740 --> 00:03:50,200\n提供民眾具有同理心的回應和鼓勵。透過聊天的資訊,機器人也協助轉介民眾到需要的心理醫療服務。以該研究顯示,這個AIBOT已經幫助了22萬名的病患完成轉診。請教部長,您剛剛說您不是很了解啦,但是我想再次確認,以您的了解,目前國內有沒有將AI運用在學生輔導工作的相關研究或嘗試?\n\n11\n00:03:51,540 --> 00:04:00,822\n教育的現場確實是我想這個是沒有的但是委員剛才所提供的確實是一個我覺得那是\n\n12\n00:04:02,571 --> 00:04:02,611\n﹝請勿模仿﹞\n\n13\n00:04:24,614 --> 00:04:49,244\n相關的心理學期刊我們已經有不只一所學校在嘗試希望教育部能夠進一步了解並且擴大辦理了解可行的方案那請教部長那教育部有沒有可能來投入一些經費既然您剛剛都非常openminded能不能積極嘗試科技導入或者將AI科技導入學生輔導的工作藉此找到協助學生輔導的新工作模式我覺得這是一個值得嘗試的一個方式在\n\n14\n00:04:54,369 --> 00:04:54,629\n﹝負面報告﹞\n\n15\n00:05:14,190 --> 00:05:31,744\n這是我們的努力。好,謝謝。那上次輔導法的公聽會有非常多讀者、與會者都提到關於專輔人員行政工作負擔過重的問題我們也希望運用科技來幫忙。那另外呢,最近正值大專院校的期末前幾天有媒體報導\n\n16\n00:05:34,466 --> 00:06:01,585\n北部一所國立大學有學生收到校務行政人員疑似校務行政人員發出的訊息稱學生該學期有二分之一的學生學分不及格將被勒令退學邀請、要求學生點選連結幸好學生機警沒有點選轉而向校方求證確認以後是詐騙訊息類似的詐騙方式不僅發生在國立大學我們也看到私立大學的學生接到詐騙簡訊\n\n17\n00:06:03,386 --> 00:06:30,731\n請問部長教育部目前有沒有著手調查這個事件的前因後果包含詐騙集團究竟如何取得學生的課資跟聯繫方式目前到底有多少學校多少名學生接獲類似的詐騙簡訊確實這一個不同的教育階段他有不同的這個詐騙有沒有調查這個案子那我們有隨時都有通報系統對這樣的訊息我們都隨時都有掌握請問這個專案知不知道\n\n18\n00:06:31,604 --> 00:06:33,566\n李柏毅等19人擬李柏毅等19人擬\n\n19\n00:06:43,995 --> 00:06:45,436\n二、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具李柏毅等19人擬\n\n20\n00:07:08,624 --> 00:07:24,147\n並且通報大專院校北一區學務中心。部長,我查了這個相關的設置要點,發現學務中心的工作要點只有維護校園安寧等業務,其中並未涵蓋與資安有關的事項。請問剛剛您怎麼確定這不是資安事件的?這個部分是由這個這一所發現簡訊的學校他們去檢核他們自己的這個學生資料庫的這個安全系統。\n\n21\n00:07:34,721 --> 00:07:58,167\n好,我想確認一下,為什麼我會特別詢問這件事呢?因為呢,近日學生收到上述的詐騙簡訊有幾個樣態。第一個,剛好收到訊息的學生的學業成績不太理想。你想想看,如果我是第一名,我收到這種簡訊我還會被騙嗎?肯定不會嘛。第二個,這個詐騙簡訊的連結是.edu.tw喔。這是某一間台灣的大專院校裡面的網站喔。\n\n22\n00:08:04,502 --> 00:08:15,149\n所以這一間大專院像我孤影其名不是學校的錯有沒有他們治安有沒有問題為什麼剛好就是成績不好的學生收到通報你們難道都不懷疑嗎學校就說沒有就沒有嗎我們不需要跟數位部通查一下嗎謝謝委員的提醒確實如果從委員剛才所提的他確實應該有一些\n\n23\n00:08:28,690 --> 00:08:29,791\n五、審查委員朱司馬基等19人擬\n\n24\n00:08:49,333 --> 00:09:00,677\n這個呢有沒有可能是涉及校園的資安應該要好好來保護學生為什麼我要這樣講呢我們幫你們整理了相關的數據112年全國詐騙案件的數量成長率28.7%同年度的校園詐騙通報案件數成長率是44%\n\n25\n00:09:08,941 --> 00:09:29,337\nbicyclist竟然比全國詐騙案件的成長率還要高,被騙者是學生啊!我們竟然看到還有幼稚園、幼兒園的國小、國中都有這些數據顯示教育部光靠學制的詐騙宣導活動可能難以遏止啦!想請教一下,在未來\n\n26\n00:09:30,037 --> 00:09:51,355\n我們有沒有除了加強宣導以外還有沒有什麼校園防詐的措施有沒有辦法一起來跟各個資安單位主動介入協助調查釐清相關的事件有沒有涉及資安事件也要請教育部跟速發部應該要積極更經常的來做跨部會的合作能不能做到\n\n27\n00:09:51,775 --> 00:10:05,236\n另外,各校你們都有編列,這個高教生跟預算有資安經費,公立大專院校平均補助每所100萬一年,私立大學平均每所94萬,這樣夠嗎?有沒有要提高?\n\n28\n00:10:07,628 --> 00:10:10,369\n學生是弱勢,校園也是駭客瞄準的目標這已經是各國的資安組織一再警示的本席也一再的提示\n\n29\n00:10:34,554 --> 00:10:53,246\n台灣本來就是資安攻擊的熱區政府單位尤其教育系統也是受攻擊的高風險單位我認為除了教育部應該要針對常見的詐騙形式進行更多宣導以外也希望能夠投入更多的資源強化校園資安避免駭客攻入學校的資訊系統竊取學生個資甚至去影響弱勢的同學去做這種緊張憂鬱繳錢\n\n30\n00:11:01,491 --> 00:11:13,903\n最後反而學生要被輔導竟然是因為我們資安成效不彰被詐騙來提升校園的安全我們一起來努力為整個詐騙產業不要幫他們助攻而是要全面的遏止謝謝謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6712\t9096\t謝謝主席,有請教育部部長魏群。\n14650\t36842\t各位好部長早安依據媒體報導指出2020年的國高中大專院校的自殺通報人數是2016年的6倍到9倍不等國小甚至高達10倍社會的變遷非常的快速科技也一直在變化學生學童的壓力持續的有各種不同新的樣態本席先前有跟部長林提到\n37242\t66170\t教育部應該要就AI霸凌或者新型態的虛擬霸凌的樣態做各種輔導的機制協助低限的人員有足夠的知能來了解同理並輔導遭遇到這種情況的學生這一次的學生輔導法的修正各個版本都希望能夠回應實務現場的需要本期草案的第11條是希望擴張專任專業輔導人員的數量但是教育部卻跟我們說明如果這樣修可能會增加3到6億\n67230\t92042\t總怕有經費的困難先不論經費困境的合理性但終究資源有限我們還是要設法接觸每個孩子才是關鍵因此如何善用其他的機制就是我們要一起努力的方向尤其善用科技的力量就是一個好方法請教一下部長您覺得AI可以用來作為協助學生輔導的工具嗎你認為可以怎麼運用AI來協助學生輔導\n96610\t114041\t確實這個部分我是比較生疏,但是從AI怎麼樣去了解到這個學生的許多的這些問題的樣態,能夠提供我們這個專業老師的一些這個輔導的一個介入,我想這是可以使用的。\n114201\t127286\t我想我們做監督智衡也是要來協作我已經幫您都整理好了這是一篇2017年的研究史丹佛大學開發這個Wobot聊天機器人這個已經驗證了這個一組學生\n129787\t151347\t跟憂鬱症他如果去讀治療憂鬱症的電子書相比起跟人工智慧機器人Wobot聊天兩個星期以後Wobot組的學生症狀明顯減輕。二零二年十一月確GPD又橫空出世今年五月又發行新的版本事實上有越來越多新的方法\n151707\t175993\t可以來協助我們來幫助學生我們來看英國就有醫療單位使用AI機器人作為求助者的減傷分類工具由AI來幫忙判斷求助者是否需要緊急協助或是需要提供心理治療等建議注意在AI這裡的角色就像是一個虛擬助手而不是一個虛擬心理師他只是做協助的\n176593\t202439\t另一個案例根據2023年在《Nature》底下的《Translational Psychiatry》的期刊也指出使用人工智慧語音助手來進行心理治療患者的憂鬱和焦慮的症狀可以獲得改善我們再來看一下今年2月最新的研究發表自COVID-19以來英國的民眾對於心理健康的服務需求持續提升所以有公司開發聊天機器人\n203740\t230200\t提供民眾具有同理心的回應和鼓勵。透過聊天的資訊,機器人也協助轉介民眾到需要的心理醫療服務。以該研究顯示,這個AIBOT已經幫助了22萬名的病患完成轉診。請教部長,您剛剛說您不是很了解啦,但是我想再次確認,以您的了解,目前國內有沒有將AI運用在學生輔導工作的相關研究或嘗試?\n231540\t240822\t教育的現場確實是我想這個是沒有的但是委員剛才所提供的確實是一個我覺得那是\n242571\t242611\t﹝請勿模仿﹞\n264614\t289244\t相關的心理學期刊我們已經有不只一所學校在嘗試希望教育部能夠進一步了解並且擴大辦理了解可行的方案那請教部長那教育部有沒有可能來投入一些經費既然您剛剛都非常open minded能不能積極嘗試科技導入或者將AI科技導入學生輔導的工作藉此找到協助學生輔導的新工作模式我覺得這是一個值得嘗試的一個方式在\n294369\t294629\t﹝負面報告﹞\n314190\t331744\t這是我們的努力。好,謝謝。那上次輔導法的公聽會有非常多讀者、與會者都提到關於專輔人員行政工作負擔過重的問題我們也希望運用科技來幫忙。那另外呢,最近正值大專院校的期末前幾天有媒體報導\n334466\t361585\t北部一所國立大學有學生收到校務行政人員疑似校務行政人員發出的訊息稱學生該學期有二分之一的學生學分不及格將被勒令退學邀請、要求學生點選連結幸好學生機警沒有點選轉而向校方求證確認以後是詐騙訊息類似的詐騙方式不僅發生在國立大學我們也看到私立大學的學生接到詐騙簡訊\n363386\t390731\t請問部長教育部目前有沒有著手調查這個事件的前因後果包含詐騙集團究竟如何取得學生的課資跟聯繫方式目前到底有多少學校多少名學生接獲類似的詐騙簡訊確實這一個不同的教育階段他有不同的這個詐騙有沒有調查這個案子那我們有隨時都有通報系統對這樣的訊息我們都隨時都有掌握請問這個專案知不知道\n391604\t393566\t李柏毅等19人擬李柏毅等19人擬\n403995\t405436\t二、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具李柏毅等19人擬\n428624\t444147\t並且通報大專院校北一區學務中心。部長,我查了這個相關的設置要點,發現學務中心的工作要點只有維護校園安寧等業務,其中並未涵蓋與資安有關的事項。請問剛剛您怎麼確定這不是資安事件的?這個部分是由這個這一所發現簡訊的學校他們去檢核他們自己的這個學生資料庫的這個安全系統。\n454721\t478167\t好,我想確認一下,為什麼我會特別詢問這件事呢?因為呢,近日學生收到上述的詐騙簡訊有幾個樣態。第一個,剛好收到訊息的學生的學業成績不太理想。你想想看,如果我是第一名,我收到這種簡訊我還會被騙嗎?肯定不會嘛。第二個,這個詐騙簡訊的連結是.edu.tw喔。這是某一間台灣的大專院校裡面的網站喔。\n484502\t495149\t所以這一間大專院像我孤影其名不是學校的錯有沒有他們治安有沒有問題為什麼剛好就是成績不好的學生收到通報你們難道都不懷疑嗎學校就說沒有就沒有嗎我們不需要跟數位部通查一下嗎謝謝委員的提醒確實如果從委員剛才所提的他確實應該有一些\n508690\t509791\t五、審查委員朱司馬基等19人擬\n529333\t540677\t這個呢有沒有可能是涉及校園的資安應該要好好來保護學生為什麼我要這樣講呢我們幫你們整理了相關的數據112年全國詐騙案件的數量成長率28.7%同年度的校園詐騙通報案件數成長率是44%\n548941\t569337\tbicyclist 竟然比全國詐騙案件的成長率還要高,被騙者是學生啊!我們竟然看到還有幼稚園、幼兒園的國小、國中都有這些數據顯示教育部光靠學制的詐騙宣導活動可能難以遏止啦!想請教一下,在未來\n570037\t591355\t我們有沒有除了加強宣導以外還有沒有什麼校園防詐的措施有沒有辦法一起來跟各個資安單位主動介入協助調查釐清相關的事件有沒有涉及資安事件也要請教育部跟速發部應該要積極更經常的來做跨部會的合作能不能做到\n591775\t605236\t另外,各校你們都有編列,這個高教生跟預算有資安經費,公立大專院校平均補助每所100萬一年,私立大學平均每所94萬,這樣夠嗎?有沒有要提高?\n607628\t610369\t學生是弱勢,校園也是駭客瞄準的目標這已經是各國的資安組織一再警示的本席也一再的提示\n634554\t653246\t台灣本來就是資安攻擊的熱區政府單位尤其教育系統也是受攻擊的高風險單位我認為除了教育部應該要針對常見的詐騙形式進行更多宣導以外也希望能夠投入更多的資源強化校園資安避免駭客攻入學校的資訊系統竊取學生個資甚至去影響弱勢的同學去做這種緊張憂鬱繳錢\n661491\t673903\t最後反而學生要被輔導竟然是因為我們資安成效不彰被詐騙來提升校園的安全我們一起來努力為整個詐騙產業不要幫他們助攻而是要全面的遏止謝謝謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請教育部部長魏群。\n各位好部長早安依據媒體報導指出2020年的國高中大專院校的自殺通報人數是2016年的6倍到9倍不等國小甚至高達10倍社會的變遷非常的快速科技也一直在變化學生學童的壓力持續的有各種不同新的樣態本席先前有跟部長林提到\n教育部應該要就AI霸凌或者新型態的虛擬霸凌的樣態做各種輔導的機制協助低限的人員有足夠的知能來了解同理並輔導遭遇到這種情況的學生這一次的學生輔導法的修正各個版本都希望能夠回應實務現場的需要本期草案的第11條是希望擴張專任專業輔導人員的數量但是教育部卻跟我們說明如果這樣修可能會增加3到6億\n總怕有經費的困難先不論經費困境的合理性但終究資源有限我們還是要設法接觸每個孩子才是關鍵因此如何善用其他的機制就是我們要一起努力的方向尤其善用科技的力量就是一個好方法請教一下部長您覺得AI可以用來作為協助學生輔導的工具嗎你認為可以怎麼運用AI來協助學生輔導\n確實這個部分我是比較生疏,但是從AI怎麼樣去了解到這個學生的許多的這些問題的樣態,能夠提供我們這個專業老師的一些這個輔導的一個介入,我想這是可以使用的。\n我想我們做監督智衡也是要來協作我已經幫您都整理好了這是一篇2017年的研究史丹佛大學開發這個Wobot聊天機器人這個已經驗證了這個一組學生\n跟憂鬱症他如果去讀治療憂鬱症的電子書相比起跟人工智慧機器人Wobot聊天兩個星期以後Wobot組的學生症狀明顯減輕。二零二年十一月確GPD又橫空出世今年五月又發行新的版本事實上有越來越多新的方法\n可以來協助我們來幫助學生我們來看英國就有醫療單位使用AI機器人作為求助者的減傷分類工具由AI來幫忙判斷求助者是否需要緊急協助或是需要提供心理治療等建議注意在AI這裡的角色就像是一個虛擬助手而不是一個虛擬心理師他只是做協助的\n另一個案例根據2023年在《Nature》底下的《Translational Psychiatry》的期刊也指出使用人工智慧語音助手來進行心理治療患者的憂鬱和焦慮的症狀可以獲得改善我們再來看一下今年2月最新的研究發表自COVID-19以來英國的民眾對於心理健康的服務需求持續提升所以有公司開發聊天機器人\n提供民眾具有同理心的回應和鼓勵。透過聊天的資訊,機器人也協助轉介民眾到需要的心理醫療服務。以該研究顯示,這個AIBOT已經幫助了22萬名的病患完成轉診。請教部長,您剛剛說您不是很了解啦,但是我想再次確認,以您的了解,目前國內有沒有將AI運用在學生輔導工作的相關研究或嘗試?\n教育的現場確實是我想這個是沒有的但是委員剛才所提供的確實是一個我覺得那是\n﹝請勿模仿﹞\n相關的心理學期刊我們已經有不只一所學校在嘗試希望教育部能夠進一步了解並且擴大辦理了解可行的方案那請教部長那教育部有沒有可能來投入一些經費既然您剛剛都非常open minded能不能積極嘗試科技導入或者將AI科技導入學生輔導的工作藉此找到協助學生輔導的新工作模式我覺得這是一個值得嘗試的一個方式在\n﹝負面報告﹞\n這是我們的努力。好,謝謝。那上次輔導法的公聽會有非常多讀者、與會者都提到關於專輔人員行政工作負擔過重的問題我們也希望運用科技來幫忙。那另外呢,最近正值大專院校的期末前幾天有媒體報導\n北部一所國立大學有學生收到校務行政人員疑似校務行政人員發出的訊息稱學生該學期有二分之一的學生學分不及格將被勒令退學邀請、要求學生點選連結幸好學生機警沒有點選轉而向校方求證確認以後是詐騙訊息類似的詐騙方式不僅發生在國立大學我們也看到私立大學的學生接到詐騙簡訊\n請問部長教育部目前有沒有著手調查這個事件的前因後果包含詐騙集團究竟如何取得學生的課資跟聯繫方式目前到底有多少學校多少名學生接獲類似的詐騙簡訊確實這一個不同的教育階段他有不同的這個詐騙有沒有調查這個案子那我們有隨時都有通報系統對這樣的訊息我們都隨時都有掌握請問這個專案知不知道\n李柏毅等19人擬李柏毅等19人擬\n二、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具李柏毅等19人擬\n並且通報大專院校北一區學務中心。部長,我查了這個相關的設置要點,發現學務中心的工作要點只有維護校園安寧等業務,其中並未涵蓋與資安有關的事項。請問剛剛您怎麼確定這不是資安事件的?這個部分是由這個這一所發現簡訊的學校他們去檢核他們自己的這個學生資料庫的這個安全系統。\n好,我想確認一下,為什麼我會特別詢問這件事呢?因為呢,近日學生收到上述的詐騙簡訊有幾個樣態。第一個,剛好收到訊息的學生的學業成績不太理想。你想想看,如果我是第一名,我收到這種簡訊我還會被騙嗎?肯定不會嘛。第二個,這個詐騙簡訊的連結是.edu.tw喔。這是某一間台灣的大專院校裡面的網站喔。\n所以這一間大專院像我孤影其名不是學校的錯有沒有他們治安有沒有問題為什麼剛好就是成績不好的學生收到通報你們難道都不懷疑嗎學校就說沒有就沒有嗎我們不需要跟數位部通查一下嗎謝謝委員的提醒確實如果從委員剛才所提的他確實應該有一些\n五、審查委員朱司馬基等19人擬\n這個呢有沒有可能是涉及校園的資安應該要好好來保護學生為什麼我要這樣講呢我們幫你們整理了相關的數據112年全國詐騙案件的數量成長率28.7%同年度的校園詐騙通報案件數成長率是44%\nbicyclist 竟然比全國詐騙案件的成長率還要高,被騙者是學生啊!我們竟然看到還有幼稚園、幼兒園的國小、國中都有這些數據顯示教育部光靠學制的詐騙宣導活動可能難以遏止啦!想請教一下,在未來\n我們有沒有除了加強宣導以外還有沒有什麼校園防詐的措施有沒有辦法一起來跟各個資安單位主動介入協助調查釐清相關的事件有沒有涉及資安事件也要請教育部跟速發部應該要積極更經常的來做跨部會的合作能不能做到\n另外,各校你們都有編列,這個高教生跟預算有資安經費,公立大專院校平均補助每所100萬一年,私立大學平均每所94萬,這樣夠嗎?有沒有要提高?\n學生是弱勢,校園也是駭客瞄準的目標這已經是各國的資安組織一再警示的本席也一再的提示\n台灣本來就是資安攻擊的熱區政府單位尤其教育系統也是受攻擊的高風險單位我認為除了教育部應該要針對常見的詐騙形式進行更多宣導以外也希望能夠投入更多的資源強化校園資安避免駭客攻入學校的資訊系統竊取學生個資甚至去影響弱勢的同學去做這種緊張憂鬱繳錢\n最後反而學生要被輔導竟然是因為我們資安成效不彰被詐騙來提升校園的安全我們一起來努力為整個詐騙產業不要幫他們助攻而是要全面的遏止謝謝謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.712 --> 00:09.096\n謝謝主席,有請教育部部長魏群。\n\n00:14.650 --> 00:36.842\n各位好部長早安依據媒體報導指出2020年的國高中大專院校的自殺通報人數是2016年的6倍到9倍不等國小甚至高達10倍社會的變遷非常的快速科技也一直在變化學生學童的壓力持續的有各種不同新的樣態本席先前有跟部長林提到\n\n00:37.242 --> 01:06.170\n教育部應該要就AI霸凌或者新型態的虛擬霸凌的樣態做各種輔導的機制協助低限的人員有足夠的知能來了解同理並輔導遭遇到這種情況的學生這一次的學生輔導法的修正各個版本都希望能夠回應實務現場的需要本期草案的第11條是希望擴張專任專業輔導人員的數量但是教育部卻跟我們說明如果這樣修可能會增加3到6億\n\n01:07.230 --> 01:32.042\n總怕有經費的困難先不論經費困境的合理性但終究資源有限我們還是要設法接觸每個孩子才是關鍵因此如何善用其他的機制就是我們要一起努力的方向尤其善用科技的力量就是一個好方法請教一下部長您覺得AI可以用來作為協助學生輔導的工具嗎你認為可以怎麼運用AI來協助學生輔導\n\n01:36.610 --> 01:54.041\n確實這個部分我是比較生疏,但是從AI怎麼樣去了解到這個學生的許多的這些問題的樣態,能夠提供我們這個專業老師的一些這個輔導的一個介入,我想這是可以使用的。\n\n01:54.201 --> 02:07.286\n我想我們做監督智衡也是要來協作我已經幫您都整理好了這是一篇2017年的研究史丹佛大學開發這個Wobot聊天機器人這個已經驗證了這個一組學生\n\n02:09.787 --> 02:31.347\n跟憂鬱症他如果去讀治療憂鬱症的電子書相比起跟人工智慧機器人Wobot聊天兩個星期以後Wobot組的學生症狀明顯減輕。二零二年十一月確GPD又橫空出世今年五月又發行新的版本事實上有越來越多新的方法\n\n02:31.707 --> 02:55.993\n可以來協助我們來幫助學生我們來看英國就有醫療單位使用AI機器人作為求助者的減傷分類工具由AI來幫忙判斷求助者是否需要緊急協助或是需要提供心理治療等建議注意在AI這裡的角色就像是一個虛擬助手而不是一個虛擬心理師他只是做協助的\n\n02:56.593 --> 03:22.439\n另一個案例根據2023年在《Nature》底下的《TranslationalPsychiatry》的期刊也指出使用人工智慧語音助手來進行心理治療患者的憂鬱和焦慮的症狀可以獲得改善我們再來看一下今年2月最新的研究發表自COVID-19以來英國的民眾對於心理健康的服務需求持續提升所以有公司開發聊天機器人\n\n03:23.740 --> 03:50.200\n提供民眾具有同理心的回應和鼓勵。透過聊天的資訊,機器人也協助轉介民眾到需要的心理醫療服務。以該研究顯示,這個AIBOT已經幫助了22萬名的病患完成轉診。請教部長,您剛剛說您不是很了解啦,但是我想再次確認,以您的了解,目前國內有沒有將AI運用在學生輔導工作的相關研究或嘗試?\n\n03:51.540 --> 04:00.822\n教育的現場確實是我想這個是沒有的但是委員剛才所提供的確實是一個我覺得那是\n\n04:02.571 --> 04:02.611\n﹝請勿模仿﹞\n\n04:24.614 --> 04:49.244\n相關的心理學期刊我們已經有不只一所學校在嘗試希望教育部能夠進一步了解並且擴大辦理了解可行的方案那請教部長那教育部有沒有可能來投入一些經費既然您剛剛都非常openminded能不能積極嘗試科技導入或者將AI科技導入學生輔導的工作藉此找到協助學生輔導的新工作模式我覺得這是一個值得嘗試的一個方式在\n\n04:54.369 --> 04:54.629\n﹝負面報告﹞\n\n05:14.190 --> 05:31.744\n這是我們的努力。好,謝謝。那上次輔導法的公聽會有非常多讀者、與會者都提到關於專輔人員行政工作負擔過重的問題我們也希望運用科技來幫忙。那另外呢,最近正值大專院校的期末前幾天有媒體報導\n\n05:34.466 --> 06:01.585\n北部一所國立大學有學生收到校務行政人員疑似校務行政人員發出的訊息稱學生該學期有二分之一的學生學分不及格將被勒令退學邀請、要求學生點選連結幸好學生機警沒有點選轉而向校方求證確認以後是詐騙訊息類似的詐騙方式不僅發生在國立大學我們也看到私立大學的學生接到詐騙簡訊\n\n06:03.386 --> 06:30.731\n請問部長教育部目前有沒有著手調查這個事件的前因後果包含詐騙集團究竟如何取得學生的課資跟聯繫方式目前到底有多少學校多少名學生接獲類似的詐騙簡訊確實這一個不同的教育階段他有不同的這個詐騙有沒有調查這個案子那我們有隨時都有通報系統對這樣的訊息我們都隨時都有掌握請問這個專案知不知道\n\n06:31.604 --> 06:33.566\n李柏毅等19人擬李柏毅等19人擬\n\n06:43.995 --> 06:45.436\n二、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具李柏毅等19人擬\n\n07:08.624 --> 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﹝負面報告﹞"},{"start":314.19,"end":331.744,"text":"這是我們的努力。好,謝謝。那上次輔導法的公聽會有非常多讀者、與會者都提到關於專輔人員行政工作負擔過重的問題我們也希望運用科技來幫忙。那另外呢,最近正值大專院校的期末前幾天有媒體報導"},{"start":334.466,"end":361.585,"text":"北部一所國立大學有學生收到校務行政人員疑似校務行政人員發出的訊息稱學生該學期有二分之一的學生學分不及格將被勒令退學邀請、要求學生點選連結幸好學生機警沒有點選轉而向校方求證確認以後是詐騙訊息類似的詐騙方式不僅發生在國立大學我們也看到私立大學的學生接到詐騙簡訊"},{"start":363.386,"end":390.731,"text":"請問部長教育部目前有沒有著手調查這個事件的前因後果包含詐騙集團究竟如何取得學生的課資跟聯繫方式目前到底有多少學校多少名學生接獲類似的詐騙簡訊確實這一個不同的教育階段他有不同的這個詐騙有沒有調查這個案子那我們有隨時都有通報系統對這樣的訊息我們都隨時都有掌握請問這個專案知不知道"},{"start":391.604,"end":393.566,"text":"李柏毅等19人擬李柏毅等19人擬"},{"start":403.995,"end":405.436,"text":"二、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具李柏毅等19人擬"},{"start":428.624,"end":444.147,"text":"並且通報大專院校北一區學務中心。部長,我查了這個相關的設置要點,發現學務中心的工作要點只有維護校園安寧等業務,其中並未涵蓋與資安有關的事項。請問剛剛您怎麼確定這不是資安事件的?這個部分是由這個這一所發現簡訊的學校他們去檢核他們自己的這個學生資料庫的這個安全系統。"},{"start":454.721,"end":478.167,"text":"好,我想確認一下,為什麼我會特別詢問這件事呢?因為呢,近日學生收到上述的詐騙簡訊有幾個樣態。第一個,剛好收到訊息的學生的學業成績不太理想。你想想看,如果我是第一名,我收到這種簡訊我還會被騙嗎?肯定不會嘛。第二個,這個詐騙簡訊的連結是.edu.tw喔。這是某一間台灣的大專院校裡面的網站喔。"},{"start":484.502,"end":495.149,"text":"所以這一間大專院像我孤影其名不是學校的錯有沒有他們治安有沒有問題為什麼剛好就是成績不好的學生收到通報你們難道都不懷疑嗎學校就說沒有就沒有嗎我們不需要跟數位部通查一下嗎謝謝委員的提醒確實如果從委員剛才所提的他確實應該有一些"},{"start":508.69,"end":509.791,"text":"五、審查委員朱司馬基等19人擬"},{"start":529.333,"end":540.677,"text":"這個呢有沒有可能是涉及校園的資安應該要好好來保護學生為什麼我要這樣講呢我們幫你們整理了相關的數據112年全國詐騙案件的數量成長率28.7%同年度的校園詐騙通報案件數成長率是44%"},{"start":548.941,"end":569.337,"text":" 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