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00:02:23,737\n我的理解是我們如果是屬於那一個要屬於警戒三昧維持的部分他是不會參與這個漢光的一個演習的部隊所以我們還是維持一定的這個兵力跟數量來特別是海空軍的部分來掌握這個敵情的狀況來應對所以應該\n\n8\n00:02:29,253 --> 00:02:35,640\n應該不至於會您講的這個有發生衝突升高的一個可能性這樣子\n\n9\n00:02:36,806 --> 00:03:04,865\n所以演訓的部隊跟他實質上面過去我們掌控大概是分離開來的就對了?對對因為我們講所有部隊不是講所有的全部的他可能有的正好在做他的相關的一些警戒或者是剛好在測考等等的這些還是會維持住我們相關的部隊都出去就是運用我們可以運用的一個兵力然後來最大化來做這樣子\n\n10\n00:03:06,886 --> 00:03:29,593\n好謝謝部長那我們來看一下下一頁那這個是我們把今年所有由國防部那他釋放出來的資訊那我們來做一個比較我想之前台灣的一些其他國防相關安全研究的這些雜誌都有做這些數據上面或者是把這一個軌跡然後做一個統整\n\n11\n00:03:30,527 --> 00:03:54,028\n我們現在看到說它的範圍跟接近臺灣的領空領海的狀況是越來越接近、越來越頻繁。最近的距離是到臺灣的本島是31海里。我們強調這件事情是因為我必須再說就是國防部不管是在我們的社群媒體把這些訊息釋放出來是非常正確的做法。\n\n12\n00:03:54,508 --> 00:03:55,448\n二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n13\n00:04:18,853 --> 00:04:45,088\n臺灣面臨的威脅他們需要更加的視覺化來去呈現給美國的公眾或者是這一個其他相關的利害相關者因為只有視覺化我們才知道說我們威脅到底在哪裡那所以從這一個陸海空和周邊空域的活動示意圖我覺得這就是一個很好的方式那特別過去是有把畸形來全部都有揭露但是後來據我上次來質詢國防\n\n14\n00:04:46,209 --> 00:04:47,911\n二、邀請國防部長顧立雄率參謀總長報告：一、邀請國防部長顧立雄率參謀總長報告\n\n15\n00:05:08,512 --> 00:05:37,432\n呃我我我我我先請這個呃情事室來回回回答一下他們的他們的肯慎是來委員好我是情事市長那當然委員提到這段是我們長時間在做每天早上都會公布整個海空的動態那是我們調整的時候當然包括委員提到的我們之前公布包含他的機型數量甚至從哪個地方在哪個地方做活動但是呃我們通盤考量之後因為敵情的威脅他是多變的多元化的\n\n16\n00:05:38,052 --> 00:05:58,155\n那我們很多情資來源等等也因為透過這些我們公布了之後啊那不管是對岸也好甚至我們有門國家要給我們一些情資警訊告訴我們說畢竟台海周邊的這些情資威脅是越來越多元如果我們公布太透明化的話\n\n17\n00:05:58,916 --> 00:06:00,497\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n18\n00:06:15,582 --> 00:06:31,294\n參考就是說這些示意圖可以更視覺化的把它做出來讓我們作為國會議員我們到其他的國家的時候在講中共對台的威脅的時候那我們可以展示出來那用更方對更視覺化更快速更直覺的方式我在國安會已經到國安部之後我都我都\n\n19\n00:06:32,274 --> 00:06:50,655\n就這個部分希望有一些檢討,那我們再檢討來看看。但是因為情勢事實是顧慮到我們徵收的手段,因為這樣子會有一些洩漏,所以我們可能還要再延續一下。沒問題,這之間的平衡怎麼抓我想還是要總體的考量,那就是在\n\n20\n00:06:51,696 --> 00:07:14,879\n知訊透明跟資訊的這個保防這些其實都要並重,所以可以理解﹖知訊的揭露有助於我們跟國際之間的一些戰略溝通所以怎麼樣去找其中的平衡再麻煩大家再思考一下那國防外交委員會的委員他同時是國防也是外交的委員那我們在外交的場合上面在不同的智庫也會講這些事情\n\n21\n00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:38,019\n那接下來就是想請教一下就是關於這個親老的部分那我看到華盛頓郵報的報導說美軍為了防止中共的犯台那中共艦隊要入侵的時候美軍說會在台海部署數千艘的無人艦艇無人水面艦艇還有空中無人機等等那我想請教一下這個國防部的這些同仁\n\n22\n00:07:38,780 --> 00:08:02,096\n我們有沒有足夠的數量來去面對因為根據這個英國國防安全智庫那皇家聯合研究所的報告他說烏克蘭每月在戰場上面損失大概是一萬架無人機那一萬架無人機當然不是有些是高價值的無人機那有些是比較平價小型的無人機但這樣子的價值或者數量不能夠用這樣子直接去換算\n\n23\n00:08:03,197 --> 00:08:17,190\n但是我想透過發展無人機去減低我們的傳統兵力的這種損失當然是非常重要我想知道說目前大家怎麼估計我們的庫存是否足夠我們的自治率是否足夠採購量是否足夠\n\n24\n00:08:18,551 --> 00:08:32,142\n跟委員報告我個人認為是不足夠所以我們要建立自主的產能來有效的應對那還要引進這一個AI的系統來建立敵我識別這樣子的一個\n\n25\n00:08:33,863 --> 00:08:57,282\n情況也就是說我們這個面積狹隘啦吼那很多的這一個無人機那在上面的話那要建立敵國識別然後要建立擊殺鏈等等的這些都需要靠AR的輔助那無人機的這一個部分的發展我想日訓夜議那我們需要來有更多的多元的這個\n\n26\n00:08:59,023 --> 00:09:24,055\n不管結合到進行這個截擊在海上的階段,或者是在貪案的階段,我們都要運用各種不同型態的無人機。這個部分屬於不對稱作戰裡面一個很重要的一環。就像您講的,這個無人機的耗量是相當的大,所以我們也很希望能夠建立自主產量。\n\n27\n00:09:25,959 --> 00:09:53,010\n我還是強調自主跟對外採購它是不會互相矛盾對,我們現在是並行當然是說這樣子看起來在烏克蘭的實戰上面的運用或者是其他國家那是非常的明確但是另外一個部分就是臺灣海峽那我們所要佈建的除了我們潛艦國造之外在無人載具的海下的載具跟海面上的載具最近美軍有一些新的這些建制\n\n28\n00:09:53,410 --> 00:10:11,402\n我想知道說這部分我們比較少看到畢竟如果是在海下的話也很難去觀摩那這個部分我們的規劃大體上面的規劃是什麼有足夠的量能嗎?我們國家有這些合格的這些國防的產業鏈可以做到這些海下載具嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:13,423 --> 00:10:33,656\n我只能這樣子跟委員報告就是說這是我們未來不對稱建軍的一個重點那我們會跟印太司令部來持續的交流來持續的發展這樣子的一個您剛剛講的不管是空中的水面的跟水下的這些運用然後跟這個\n\n30\n00:10:36,578 --> 00:10:48,103\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王�\n\n31\n00:11:02,690 --> 00:11:28,892\n我認為經過培訓之後他可以再進入這些國防產業鏈那他應該受到更大的一個重視那這是除了教育部來投入資源之外因為通常我們這些在國內的這些設備的構置那些競賽的構置都還是要跟教育部來去爭取資源可是這其實跟國防產業也是有關聯的所以這部分如果可以的話我們是希望\n\n32\n00:11:29,953 --> 00:11:44,353\n國防部也可以納入考量從國中、高中這些小型的飛手我們看到在烏克蘭很多他根本沒有任何的軍事的經驗那直接就被徵召那在市區外來去見面敵人那我認為說這些都是可以來去考慮的\n\n33\n00:11:45,054 --> 00:11:46,715\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n34\n00:12:03,564 --> 00:12:06,546\n三、審查本院委員馬文君等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員馬文君等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5590\t5751\t請部長。請部長\n16963\t40123\t部長好部長這一次的漢光演習有沒有規劃同時在漢光演習執行的過程當中那共軍不管是在共建共機同時老台這個時候的protocol或者是說對應的準則有沒有先做好準備避免情勢升溫那這樣的狀況是不是可以請部長簡單回應一下\n42645\t68951\t我想就這個共軍可能的擾台的這個部分都在我們的聯合情監監視的一個範圍之內所以我們會持續的一直充分的掌握然後世界的對應包括這個在空的訓練機然後戰鬥巡邏機等等然後船艦我們也會\n70251\t78166\t做這個對這個他已經在那邊的傳言我們都會做一個監控這樣子。\n79175\t100055\t我意思是說因為在漢光演習是同作戰嘛那這時候是長時間高強度那我們的國軍不管是陸海空都在這種最高強度的狀況之下那在這一種的壓力之下同時遇到中共如果還是一樣大規模的這樣子來去侵擾我國的話\n100896\t111645\t三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王�\n119505\t143737\t我的理解是我們如果是屬於那一個要屬於警戒三昧維持的部分他是不會參與這個漢光的一個演習的部隊所以我們還是維持一定的這個兵力跟數量來特別是海空軍的部分來掌握這個敵情的狀況來應對所以應該\n149253\t155640\t應該不至於會您講的這個有發生衝突升高的一個可能性這樣子\n156806\t184865\t所以演訓的部隊跟他實質上面過去我們掌控大概是分離開來的就對了?對對因為我們講所有部隊不是講所有的全部的他可能有的正好在做他的相關的一些警戒或者是剛好在測考等等的這些還是會維持住我們相關的部隊都出去就是運用我們可以運用的一個兵力然後來最大化來做這樣子\n186886\t209593\t好謝謝部長那我們來看一下下一頁那這個是我們把今年所有由國防部那他釋放出來的資訊那我們來做一個比較我想之前台灣的一些其他國防相關安全研究的這些雜誌都有做這些數據上面或者是把這一個軌跡然後做一個統整\n210527\t234028\t我們現在看到說它的範圍跟接近臺灣的領空領海的狀況是越來越接近、越來越頻繁。最近的距離是到臺灣的本島是31海里。我們強調這件事情是因為我必須再說就是國防部不管是在我們的社群媒體把這些訊息釋放出來是非常正確的做法。\n234508\t235448\t二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n258853\t285088\t臺灣面臨的威脅他們需要更加的視覺化來去呈現給美國的公眾或者是這一個其他相關的利害相關者因為只有視覺化我們才知道說我們威脅到底在哪裡那所以從這一個陸海空和周邊空域的活動示意圖我覺得這就是一個很好的方式那特別過去是有把畸形來全部都有揭露但是後來據我上次來質詢國防\n286209\t287911\t二、邀請國防部長顧立雄率參謀總長報告：一、邀請國防部長顧立雄率參謀總長報告\n308512\t337432\t呃我我我我我先請這個呃情事室來回回回答一下他們的他們的肯慎是來委員好我是情事市長那當然委員提到這段是我們長時間在做每天早上都會公布整個海空的動態那是我們調整的時候當然包括委員提到的我們之前公布包含他的機型數量甚至從哪個地方在哪個地方做活動但是呃我們通盤考量之後因為敵情的威脅他是多變的多元化的\n338052\t358155\t那我們很多情資來源等等也因為透過這些我們公布了之後啊那不管是對岸也好甚至我們有門國家要給我們一些情資警訊告訴我們說畢竟台海周邊的這些情資威脅是越來越多元如果我們公布太透明化的話\n358916\t360497\t三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n375582\t391294\t參考就是說這些示意圖可以更視覺化的把它做出來讓我們作為國會議員我們到其他的國家的時候在講中共對台的威脅的時候那我們可以展示出來那用更方對更視覺化更快速更直覺的方式我在國安會已經到國安部之後我都我都\n392274\t410655\t就這個部分希望有一些檢討,那我們再檢討來看看。但是因為情勢事實是顧慮到我們徵收的手段,因為這樣子會有一些洩漏,所以我們可能還要再延續一下。沒問題,這之間的平衡怎麼抓我想還是要總體的考量,那就是在\n411696\t434879\t知訊透明跟資訊的這個保防這些其實都要並重,所以可以理解﹖知訊的揭露有助於我們跟國際之間的一些戰略溝通所以怎麼樣去找其中的平衡再麻煩大家再思考一下那國防外交委員會的委員他同時是國防也是外交的委員那我們在外交的場合上面在不同的智庫也會講這些事情\n435600\t458019\t那接下來就是想請教一下就是關於這個親老的部分那我看到華盛頓郵報的報導說美軍為了防止中共的犯台那中共艦隊要入侵的時候美軍說會在台海部署數千艘的無人艦艇無人水面艦艇還有空中無人機等等那我想請教一下這個國防部的這些同仁\n458780\t482096\t我們有沒有足夠的數量來去面對因為根據這個英國國防安全智庫那皇家聯合研究所的報告他說烏克蘭每月在戰場上面損失大概是一萬架無人機那一萬架無人機當然不是有些是高價值的無人機那有些是比較平價小型的無人機但這樣子的價值或者數量不能夠用這樣子直接去換算\n483197\t497190\t但是我想透過發展無人機去減低我們的傳統兵力的這種損失當然是非常重要我想知道說目前大家怎麼估計我們的庫存是否足夠我們的自治率是否足夠採購量是否足夠\n498551\t512142\t跟委員報告我個人認為是不足夠所以我們要建立自主的產能來有效的應對那還要引進這一個AI的系統來建立敵我識別這樣子的一個\n513863\t537282\t情況也就是說我們這個面積狹隘啦吼那很多的這一個無人機那在上面的話那要建立敵國識別然後要建立擊殺鏈等等的這些都需要靠AR的輔助那無人機的這一個部分的發展我想日訓夜議那我們需要來有更多的多元的這個\n539023\t564055\t不管結合到進行這個截擊在海上的階段,或者是在貪案的階段,我們都要運用各種不同型態的無人機。這個部分屬於不對稱作戰裡面一個很重要的一環。就像您講的,這個無人機的耗量是相當的大,所以我們也很希望能夠建立自主產量。\n565959\t593010\t我還是強調自主跟對外採購它是不會互相矛盾對,我們現在是並行當然是說這樣子看起來在烏克蘭的實戰上面的運用或者是其他國家那是非常的明確但是另外一個部分就是臺灣海峽那我們所要佈建的除了我們潛艦國造之外在無人載具的海下的載具跟海面上的載具最近美軍有一些新的這些建制\n593410\t611402\t我想知道說這部分我們比較少看到畢竟如果是在海下的話也很難去觀摩那這個部分我們的規劃大體上面的規劃是什麼有足夠的量能嗎?我們國家有這些合格的這些國防的產業鏈可以做到這些海下載具嗎?\n613423\t633656\t我只能這樣子跟委員報告就是說這是我們未來不對稱建軍的一個重點那我們會跟印太司令部來持續的交流來持續的發展這樣子的一個您剛剛講的不管是空中的水面的跟水下的這些運用然後跟這個\n636578\t648103\t三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王�\n662690\t688892\t我認為經過培訓之後他可以再進入這些國防產業鏈那他應該受到更大的一個重視那這是除了教育部來投入資源之外因為通常我們這些在國內的這些設備的構置那些競賽的構置都還是要跟教育部來去爭取資源可是這其實跟國防產業也是有關聯的所以這部分如果可以的話我們是希望\n689953\t704353\t國防部也可以納入考量從國中、高中這些小型的飛手我們看到在烏克蘭很多他根本沒有任何的軍事的經驗那直接就被徵召那在市區外來去見面敵人那我認為說這些都是可以來去考慮的\n705054\t706715\t三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n723564\t726546\t三、審查本院委員馬文君等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員馬文君等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n","txt":"請部長。請部長\n部長好部長這一次的漢光演習有沒有規劃同時在漢光演習執行的過程當中那共軍不管是在共建共機同時老台這個時候的protocol或者是說對應的準則有沒有先做好準備避免情勢升溫那這樣的狀況是不是可以請部長簡單回應一下\n我想就這個共軍可能的擾台的這個部分都在我們的聯合情監監視的一個範圍之內所以我們會持續的一直充分的掌握然後世界的對應包括這個在空的訓練機然後戰鬥巡邏機等等然後船艦我們也會\n做這個對這個他已經在那邊的傳言我們都會做一個監控這樣子。\n我意思是說因為在漢光演習是同作戰嘛那這時候是長時間高強度那我們的國軍不管是陸海空都在這種最高強度的狀況之下那在這一種的壓力之下同時遇到中共如果還是一樣大規模的這樣子來去侵擾我國的話\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王�\n我的理解是我們如果是屬於那一個要屬於警戒三昧維持的部分他是不會參與這個漢光的一個演習的部隊所以我們還是維持一定的這個兵力跟數量來特別是海空軍的部分來掌握這個敵情的狀況來應對所以應該\n應該不至於會您講的這個有發生衝突升高的一個可能性這樣子\n所以演訓的部隊跟他實質上面過去我們掌控大概是分離開來的就對了?對對因為我們講所有部隊不是講所有的全部的他可能有的正好在做他的相關的一些警戒或者是剛好在測考等等的這些還是會維持住我們相關的部隊都出去就是運用我們可以運用的一個兵力然後來最大化來做這樣子\n好謝謝部長那我們來看一下下一頁那這個是我們把今年所有由國防部那他釋放出來的資訊那我們來做一個比較我想之前台灣的一些其他國防相關安全研究的這些雜誌都有做這些數據上面或者是把這一個軌跡然後做一個統整\n我們現在看到說它的範圍跟接近臺灣的領空領海的狀況是越來越接近、越來越頻繁。最近的距離是到臺灣的本島是31海里。我們強調這件事情是因為我必須再說就是國防部不管是在我們的社群媒體把這些訊息釋放出來是非常正確的做法。\n二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n臺灣面臨的威脅他們需要更加的視覺化來去呈現給美國的公眾或者是這一個其他相關的利害相關者因為只有視覺化我們才知道說我們威脅到底在哪裡那所以從這一個陸海空和周邊空域的活動示意圖我覺得這就是一個很好的方式那特別過去是有把畸形來全部都有揭露但是後來據我上次來質詢國防\n二、邀請國防部長顧立雄率參謀總長報告：一、邀請國防部長顧立雄率參謀總長報告\n呃我我我我我先請這個呃情事室來回回回答一下他們的他們的肯慎是來委員好我是情事市長那當然委員提到這段是我們長時間在做每天早上都會公布整個海空的動態那是我們調整的時候當然包括委員提到的我們之前公布包含他的機型數量甚至從哪個地方在哪個地方做活動但是呃我們通盤考量之後因為敵情的威脅他是多變的多元化的\n那我們很多情資來源等等也因為透過這些我們公布了之後啊那不管是對岸也好甚至我們有門國家要給我們一些情資警訊告訴我們說畢竟台海周邊的這些情資威脅是越來越多元如果我們公布太透明化的話\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n參考就是說這些示意圖可以更視覺化的把它做出來讓我們作為國會議員我們到其他的國家的時候在講中共對台的威脅的時候那我們可以展示出來那用更方對更視覺化更快速更直覺的方式我在國安會已經到國安部之後我都我都\n就這個部分希望有一些檢討,那我們再檢討來看看。但是因為情勢事實是顧慮到我們徵收的手段,因為這樣子會有一些洩漏,所以我們可能還要再延續一下。沒問題,這之間的平衡怎麼抓我想還是要總體的考量,那就是在\n知訊透明跟資訊的這個保防這些其實都要並重,所以可以理解﹖知訊的揭露有助於我們跟國際之間的一些戰略溝通所以怎麼樣去找其中的平衡再麻煩大家再思考一下那國防外交委員會的委員他同時是國防也是外交的委員那我們在外交的場合上面在不同的智庫也會講這些事情\n那接下來就是想請教一下就是關於這個親老的部分那我看到華盛頓郵報的報導說美軍為了防止中共的犯台那中共艦隊要入侵的時候美軍說會在台海部署數千艘的無人艦艇無人水面艦艇還有空中無人機等等那我想請教一下這個國防部的這些同仁\n我們有沒有足夠的數量來去面對因為根據這個英國國防安全智庫那皇家聯合研究所的報告他說烏克蘭每月在戰場上面損失大概是一萬架無人機那一萬架無人機當然不是有些是高價值的無人機那有些是比較平價小型的無人機但這樣子的價值或者數量不能夠用這樣子直接去換算\n但是我想透過發展無人機去減低我們的傳統兵力的這種損失當然是非常重要我想知道說目前大家怎麼估計我們的庫存是否足夠我們的自治率是否足夠採購量是否足夠\n跟委員報告我個人認為是不足夠所以我們要建立自主的產能來有效的應對那還要引進這一個AI的系統來建立敵我識別這樣子的一個\n情況也就是說我們這個面積狹隘啦吼那很多的這一個無人機那在上面的話那要建立敵國識別然後要建立擊殺鏈等等的這些都需要靠AR的輔助那無人機的這一個部分的發展我想日訓夜議那我們需要來有更多的多元的這個\n不管結合到進行這個截擊在海上的階段,或者是在貪案的階段,我們都要運用各種不同型態的無人機。這個部分屬於不對稱作戰裡面一個很重要的一環。就像您講的,這個無人機的耗量是相當的大,所以我們也很希望能夠建立自主產量。\n我還是強調自主跟對外採購它是不會互相矛盾對,我們現在是並行當然是說這樣子看起來在烏克蘭的實戰上面的運用或者是其他國家那是非常的明確但是另外一個部分就是臺灣海峽那我們所要佈建的除了我們潛艦國造之外在無人載具的海下的載具跟海面上的載具最近美軍有一些新的這些建制\n我想知道說這部分我們比較少看到畢竟如果是在海下的話也很難去觀摩那這個部分我們的規劃大體上面的規劃是什麼有足夠的量能嗎?我們國家有這些合格的這些國防的產業鏈可以做到這些海下載具嗎?\n我只能這樣子跟委員報告就是說這是我們未來不對稱建軍的一個重點那我們會跟印太司令部來持續的交流來持續的發展這樣子的一個您剛剛講的不管是空中的水面的跟水下的這些運用然後跟這個\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王�\n我認為經過培訓之後他可以再進入這些國防產業鏈那他應該受到更大的一個重視那這是除了教育部來投入資源之外因為通常我們這些在國內的這些設備的構置那些競賽的構置都還是要跟教育部來去爭取資源可是這其實跟國防產業也是有關聯的所以這部分如果可以的話我們是希望\n國防部也可以納入考量從國中、高中這些小型的飛手我們看到在烏克蘭很多他根本沒有任何的軍事的經驗那直接就被徵召那在市區外來去見面敵人那我認為說這些都是可以來去考慮的\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n三、審查本院委員馬文君等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員馬文君等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.590 --> 00:05.751\n請部長。請部長\n\n00:16.963 --> 00:40.123\n部長好部長這一次的漢光演習有沒有規劃同時在漢光演習執行的過程當中那共軍不管是在共建共機同時老台這個時候的protocol或者是說對應的準則有沒有先做好準備避免情勢升溫那這樣的狀況是不是可以請部長簡單回應一下\n\n00:42.645 --> 01:08.951\n我想就這個共軍可能的擾台的這個部分都在我們的聯合情監監視的一個範圍之內所以我們會持續的一直充分的掌握然後世界的對應包括這個在空的訓練機然後戰鬥巡邏機等等然後船艦我們也會\n\n01:10.251 --> 01:18.166\n做這個對這個他已經在那邊的傳言我們都會做一個監控這樣子。\n\n01:19.175 --> 01:40.055\n我意思是說因為在漢光演習是同作戰嘛那這時候是長時間高強度那我們的國軍不管是陸海空都在這種最高強度的狀況之下那在這一種的壓力之下同時遇到中共如果還是一樣大規模的這樣子來去侵擾我國的話\n\n01:40.896 --> 01:51.645\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王�\n\n01:59.505 --> 02:23.737\n我的理解是我們如果是屬於那一個要屬於警戒三昧維持的部分他是不會參與這個漢光的一個演習的部隊所以我們還是維持一定的這個兵力跟數量來特別是海空軍的部分來掌握這個敵情的狀況來應對所以應該\n\n02:29.253 --> 02:35.640\n應該不至於會您講的這個有發生衝突升高的一個可能性這樣子\n\n02:36.806 --> 03:04.865\n所以演訓的部隊跟他實質上面過去我們掌控大概是分離開來的就對了?對對因為我們講所有部隊不是講所有的全部的他可能有的正好在做他的相關的一些警戒或者是剛好在測考等等的這些還是會維持住我們相關的部隊都出去就是運用我們可以運用的一個兵力然後來最大化來做這樣子\n\n03:06.886 --> 03:29.593\n好謝謝部長那我們來看一下下一頁那這個是我們把今年所有由國防部那他釋放出來的資訊那我們來做一個比較我想之前台灣的一些其他國防相關安全研究的這些雜誌都有做這些數據上面或者是把這一個軌跡然後做一個統整\n\n03:30.527 --> 03:54.028\n我們現在看到說它的範圍跟接近臺灣的領空領海的狀況是越來越接近、越來越頻繁。最近的距離是到臺灣的本島是31海里。我們強調這件事情是因為我必須再說就是國防部不管是在我們的社群媒體把這些訊息釋放出來是非常正確的做法。\n\n03:54.508 --> 03:55.448\n二、審查本院委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n04:18.853 --> 04:45.088\n臺灣面臨的威脅他們需要更加的視覺化來去呈現給美國的公眾或者是這一個其他相關的利害相關者因為只有視覺化我們才知道說我們威脅到底在哪裡那所以從這一個陸海空和周邊空域的活動示意圖我覺得這就是一個很好的方式那特別過去是有把畸形來全部都有揭露但是後來據我上次來質詢國防\n\n04:46.209 --> 04:47.911\n二、邀請國防部長顧立雄率參謀總長報告：一、邀請國防部長顧立雄率參謀總長報告\n\n05:08.512 --> 05:37.432\n呃我我我我我先請這個呃情事室來回回回答一下他們的他們的肯慎是來委員好我是情事市長那當然委員提到這段是我們長時間在做每天早上都會公布整個海空的動態那是我們調整的時候當然包括委員提到的我們之前公布包含他的機型數量甚至從哪個地方在哪個地方做活動但是呃我們通盤考量之後因為敵情的威脅他是多變的多元化的\n\n05:38.052 --> 05:58.155\n那我們很多情資來源等等也因為透過這些我們公布了之後啊那不管是對岸也好甚至我們有門國家要給我們一些情資警訊告訴我們說畢竟台海周邊的這些情資威脅是越來越多元如果我們公布太透明化的話\n\n05:58.916 --> 06:00.497\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n06:15.582 --> 06:31.294\n參考就是說這些示意圖可以更視覺化的把它做出來讓我們作為國會議員我們到其他的國家的時候在講中共對台的威脅的時候那我們可以展示出來那用更方對更視覺化更快速更直覺的方式我在國安會已經到國安部之後我都我都\n\n06:32.274 --> 06:50.655\n就這個部分希望有一些檢討,那我們再檢討來看看。但是因為情勢事實是顧慮到我們徵收的手段,因為這樣子會有一些洩漏,所以我們可能還要再延續一下。沒問題,這之間的平衡怎麼抓我想還是要總體的考量,那就是在\n\n06:51.696 --> 07:14.879\n知訊透明跟資訊的這個保防這些其實都要並重,所以可以理解﹖知訊的揭露有助於我們跟國際之間的一些戰略溝通所以怎麼樣去找其中的平衡再麻煩大家再思考一下那國防外交委員會的委員他同時是國防也是外交的委員那我們在外交的場合上面在不同的智庫也會講這些事情\n\n07:15.600 --> 07:38.019\n那接下來就是想請教一下就是關於這個親老的部分那我看到華盛頓郵報的報導說美軍為了防止中共的犯台那中共艦隊要入侵的時候美軍說會在台海部署數千艘的無人艦艇無人水面艦艇還有空中無人機等等那我想請教一下這個國防部的這些同仁\n\n07:38.780 --> 08:02.096\n我們有沒有足夠的數量來去面對因為根據這個英國國防安全智庫那皇家聯合研究所的報告他說烏克蘭每月在戰場上面損失大概是一萬架無人機那一萬架無人機當然不是有些是高價值的無人機那有些是比較平價小型的無人機但這樣子的價值或者數量不能夠用這樣子直接去換算\n\n08:03.197 --> 08:17.190\n但是我想透過發展無人機去減低我們的傳統兵力的這種損失當然是非常重要我想知道說目前大家怎麼估計我們的庫存是否足夠我們的自治率是否足夠採購量是否足夠\n\n08:18.551 --> 08:32.142\n跟委員報告我個人認為是不足夠所以我們要建立自主的產能來有效的應對那還要引進這一個AI的系統來建立敵我識別這樣子的一個\n\n08:33.863 --> 08:57.282\n情況也就是說我們這個面積狹隘啦吼那很多的這一個無人機那在上面的話那要建立敵國識別然後要建立擊殺鏈等等的這些都需要靠AR的輔助那無人機的這一個部分的發展我想日訓夜議那我們需要來有更多的多元的這個\n\n08:59.023 --> 09:24.055\n不管結合到進行這個截擊在海上的階段,或者是在貪案的階段,我們都要運用各種不同型態的無人機。這個部分屬於不對稱作戰裡面一個很重要的一環。就像您講的,這個無人機的耗量是相當的大,所以我們也很希望能夠建立自主產量。\n\n09:25.959 --> 09:53.010\n我還是強調自主跟對外採購它是不會互相矛盾對,我們現在是並行當然是說這樣子看起來在烏克蘭的實戰上面的運用或者是其他國家那是非常的明確但是另外一個部分就是臺灣海峽那我們所要佈建的除了我們潛艦國造之外在無人載具的海下的載具跟海面上的載具最近美軍有一些新的這些建制\n\n09:53.410 --> 10:11.402\n我想知道說這部分我們比較少看到畢竟如果是在海下的話也很難去觀摩那這個部分我們的規劃大體上面的規劃是什麼有足夠的量能嗎?我們國家有這些合格的這些國防的產業鏈可以做到這些海下載具嗎?\n\n10:13.423 --> 10:33.656\n我只能這樣子跟委員報告就是說這是我們未來不對稱建軍的一個重點那我們會跟印太司令部來持續的交流來持續的發展這樣子的一個您剛剛講的不管是空中的水面的跟水下的這些運用然後跟這個\n\n10:36.578 --> 10:48.103\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王�\n\n11:02.690 --> 11:28.892\n我認為經過培訓之後他可以再進入這些國防產業鏈那他應該受到更大的一個重視那這是除了教育部來投入資源之外因為通常我們這些在國內的這些設備的構置那些競賽的構置都還是要跟教育部來去爭取資源可是這其實跟國防產業也是有關聯的所以這部分如果可以的話我們是希望\n\n11:29.953 --> 11:44.353\n國防部也可以納入考量從國中、高中這些小型的飛手我們看到在烏克蘭很多他根本沒有任何的軍事的經驗那直接就被徵召那在市區外來去見面敵人那我認為說這些都是可以來去考慮的\n\n11:45.054 --> 11:46.715\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n12:03.564 --> 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