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00:01:56,099\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n7\n00:02:13,592 --> 00:02:15,815\n謝謝蘇委員的指教,我想非常的重要,我們未來如果法令三讀通過之後,我們會跟經濟部配合,尤其對於工業區,不管大型的、中小企業聚集的地方,我們會做宣導。因為這次的管理規則的變動其實蠻細的,\n\n8\n00:02:29,415 --> 00:02:36,680\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案\n\n9\n00:02:58,573 --> 00:03:25,536\n好所以這是第一個部分那第二個部分呢剛剛既然說到消防弟兄的部分了那我們其實是要給他更多的保障可是老實說你從法條文字上面來講大家雖然知道是得到的保障但是其實也加重他非常多的等於是行政負擔啦我必須坦白說啦因為比如說叫他填寫報告也好叫他去做健檢也好叫他去加強訓練也好這些都是應該做的本席都支持本席都支持\n\n10\n00:03:26,016 --> 00:03:41,422\n但是消防弟兄的勤務本來就已經很繁重了,這些負擔行政加上去,這些行政加上去會不會成為負擔?我想跟委員報告一下,如果他是對消防人員自己本身的生命安全保障的話,這對他是好的。\n\n11\n00:03:42,602 --> 00:03:43,663\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n12\n00:04:09,565 --> 00:04:23,132\n感謝委員這麼關心事實上剛剛委員提到沒錯就是除了法律面以外事實上執行面很重要我們也很感謝院裡面也核定我們職業的忠誠計劃未來五年中央會有輔導團隊地方每個縣市政府就跟深耕計劃一樣有個別有輔導團隊不是說強制性你要怎麼做而是有專業團隊的精神跟輔導讓\n\n13\n00:04:36,300 --> 00:04:48,395\n所以我就定調你叫做利益良善嘛然後該不該做我也應該做所以這次要不要入法我也支持我都支持了但是光是行政作業這就是一定又是加重了啦老實講就是這樣因為現在的狀況是什麼現在其實就是消防人力其實有不足啦不足\n\n14\n00:04:53,621 --> 00:05:07,914\n所以在最後的時間我也跟部長和署長這邊再探討一下我們現在一直在說消防人力短缺這部分那部長我也看到了消防署現在包括這個考試的這個專科比重的計分他重新做了一個調整\n\n15\n00:05:08,655 --> 00:05:10,116\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n16\n00:05:26,101 --> 00:05:26,982\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n\n17\n00:05:56,641 --> 00:06:02,646\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n\n18\n00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:36,007\n這第一關就已經卡關了啊!署長你怎麼看?你知道這個消息嗎?是,了解感恩委員。我們兩個部分來進行。地方政府怎麼增加它的預算源額跟配置源額,這個地方政府也同步在進行。那第二部分就是,地方政府也許認為說我們訓練不夠,那目前我們剛剛委員提到的,\n\n19\n00:06:39,488 --> 00:06:42,090\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n20\n00:06:57,902 --> 00:07:19,252\n所以我會認為這個地方其實中央主管機關應該要下去看看這個問題到底是在哪裡。謝謝蘇委員的提醒。我想我們會預算原額要跟著編制原額一起來編。你應該去看地方政府嘛。我了解。未來我們如果有新的消防人員有編制到各縣市地方政府,尤其是六度的時候,我們要求他們的預算原額要跟進。\n\n21\n00:07:19,972 --> 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«消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n133592\t135815\t謝謝蘇委員的指教,我想非常的重要,我們未來如果法令三讀通過之後,我們會跟經濟部配合,尤其對於工業區,不管大型的、中小企業聚集的地方,我們會做宣導。因為這次的管理規則的變動其實蠻細的,\n149415\t156680\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案\n178573\t205536\t好 所以這是第一個部分那第二個部分呢剛剛既然說到消防弟兄的部分了那我們其實是要給他更多的保障可是老實說你從法條文字上面來講大家雖然知道是得到的保障但是其實也加重他非常多的等於是行政負擔啦我必須坦白說啦因為比如說叫他填寫報告也好叫他去做健檢也好叫他去加強訓練也好這些都是應該做的本席都支持本席都支持\n206016\t221422\t但是消防弟兄的勤務本來就已經很繁重了,這些負擔行政加上去,這些行政加上去會不會成為負擔?我想跟委員報告一下,如果他是對消防人員自己本身的生命安全保障的話,這對他是好的。\n222602\t223663\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n249565\t263132\t感謝委員這麼關心事實上剛剛委員提到沒錯就是除了法律面以外事實上執行面很重要我們也很感謝院裡面也核定我們職業的忠誠計劃未來五年中央會有輔導團隊地方每個縣市政府就跟深耕計劃一樣有個別有輔導團隊不是說強制性你要怎麼做而是有專業團隊的精神跟輔導讓\n276300\t288395\t所以我就定調你叫做利益良善嘛然後該不該做我也應該做所以這次要不要入法我也支持我都支持了但是光是行政作業這就是一定又是加重了啦老實講就是這樣因為現在的狀況是什麼現在其實就是消防人力其實有不足啦不足\n293621\t307914\t所以在最後的時間我也跟部長和署長這邊再探討一下我們現在一直在說消防人力短缺這部分那部長我也看到了消防署現在包括這個考試的這個專科比重的計分他重新做了一個調整\n308655\t310116\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n326101\t326982\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n356641\t362646\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n381199\t396007\t這第一關就已經卡關了啊!署長你怎麼看?你知道這個消息嗎?是,了解感恩委員。我們兩個部分來進行。地方政府怎麼增加它的預算源額跟配置源額,這個地方政府也同步在進行。那第二部分就是,地方政府也許認為說我們訓練不夠,那目前我們剛剛委員提到的,\n399488\t402090\t五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n417902\t439252\t所以我會認為這個地方其實中央主管機關應該要下去看看這個問題到底是在哪裡。謝謝蘇委員的提醒。我想我們會預算原額要跟著編制原額一起來編。你應該去看地方政府嘛。我了解。未來我們如果有新的消防人員有編制到各縣市地方政府,尤其是六度的時候,我們要求他們的預算原額要跟進。\n439972\t465745\t我們現在看到尤其是本席新北市跟我們主席一樣我們新北市一個消防人員服務1600多位市民這其實是六都最高那我們的比例是最少那我回去看因為我們本來就是看那個新北市政府的新聞稿他都是說我一直在加人啊我好棒啊我還要跟中央要求可是我們來看預算原額其實他就不足那我現在就想知道中央對這樣的態度到底是有沒有可以我們希望他能夠按照原來的編制原額把它補足預算那如果\n468706\t469487\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n","txt":"四加二,四加二。好,謝謝主席,我們請部長。好,請部長。好,謝謝。蘇媛早。部長早,部長四加二,我們快快的啦。好,沒問題。我們其實當然今天修正消防法主要是希望給消防員最大的安全保障再提升,因為近十年,十年來這個大概有32位弟兄,不幸因公殉職嘛。\n今天修了這部消防法,我們可以解決哪些問題?我們剛剛在簡單的報告裡面有提到,第一個我們當然是工廠的管理要加強,也就是說工廠不要把他的這個防火的這個社會成本轉嫁給社會,應該自行管理。\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n謝謝蘇委員的指教,我想非常的重要,我們未來如果法令三讀通過之後,我們會跟經濟部配合,尤其對於工業區,不管大型的、中小企業聚集的地方,我們會做宣導。因為這次的管理規則的變動其實蠻細的,\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案\n好 所以這是第一個部分那第二個部分呢剛剛既然說到消防弟兄的部分了那我們其實是要給他更多的保障可是老實說你從法條文字上面來講大家雖然知道是得到的保障但是其實也加重他非常多的等於是行政負擔啦我必須坦白說啦因為比如說叫他填寫報告也好叫他去做健檢也好叫他去加強訓練也好這些都是應該做的本席都支持本席都支持\n但是消防弟兄的勤務本來就已經很繁重了,這些負擔行政加上去,這些行政加上去會不會成為負擔?我想跟委員報告一下,如果他是對消防人員自己本身的生命安全保障的話,這對他是好的。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n感謝委員這麼關心事實上剛剛委員提到沒錯就是除了法律面以外事實上執行面很重要我們也很感謝院裡面也核定我們職業的忠誠計劃未來五年中央會有輔導團隊地方每個縣市政府就跟深耕計劃一樣有個別有輔導團隊不是說強制性你要怎麼做而是有專業團隊的精神跟輔導讓\n所以我就定調你叫做利益良善嘛然後該不該做我也應該做所以這次要不要入法我也支持我都支持了但是光是行政作業這就是一定又是加重了啦老實講就是這樣因為現在的狀況是什麼現在其實就是消防人力其實有不足啦不足\n所以在最後的時間我也跟部長和署長這邊再探討一下我們現在一直在說消防人力短缺這部分那部長我也看到了消防署現在包括這個考試的這個專科比重的計分他重新做了一個調整\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n這第一關就已經卡關了啊!署長你怎麼看?你知道這個消息嗎?是,了解感恩委員。我們兩個部分來進行。地方政府怎麼增加它的預算源額跟配置源額,這個地方政府也同步在進行。那第二部分就是,地方政府也許認為說我們訓練不夠,那目前我們剛剛委員提到的,\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n所以我會認為這個地方其實中央主管機關應該要下去看看這個問題到底是在哪裡。謝謝蘇委員的提醒。我想我們會預算原額要跟著編制原額一起來編。你應該去看地方政府嘛。我了解。未來我們如果有新的消防人員有編制到各縣市地方政府,尤其是六度的時候,我們要求他們的預算原額要跟進。\n我們現在看到尤其是本席新北市跟我們主席一樣我們新北市一個消防人員服務1600多位市民這其實是六都最高那我們的比例是最少那我回去看因為我們本來就是看那個新北市政府的新聞稿他都是說我一直在加人啊我好棒啊我還要跟中央要求可是我們來看預算原額其實他就不足那我現在就想知道中央對這樣的態度到底是有沒有可以我們希望他能夠按照原來的編制原額把它補足預算那如果\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.029 --> 00:06.572\n四加二,四加二。好,謝謝主席,我們請部長。好,請部長。好,謝謝。蘇媛早。部長早,部長四加二,我們快快的啦。好,沒問題。我們其實當然今天修正消防法主要是希望給消防員最大的安全保障再提升,因為近十年,十年來這個大概有32位弟兄,不幸因公殉職嘛。\n\n00:29.144 --> 00:32.047\n今天修了這部消防法,我們可以解決哪些問題?我們剛剛在簡單的報告裡面有提到,第一個我們當然是工廠的管理要加強,也就是說工廠不要把他的這個防火的這個社會成本轉嫁給社會,應該自行管理。\n\n00:50.566 --> 00:55.370\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n01:12.824 --> 01:15.586\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n01:33.439 --> 01:34.820\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n01:55.458 --> 01:56.099\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n02:13.592 --> 02:15.815\n謝謝蘇委員的指教,我想非常的重要,我們未來如果法令三讀通過之後,我們會跟經濟部配合,尤其對於工業區,不管大型的、中小企業聚集的地方,我們會做宣導。因為這次的管理規則的變動其實蠻細的,\n\n02:29.415 --> 02:36.680\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案\n\n02:58.573 --> 03:25.536\n好所以這是第一個部分那第二個部分呢剛剛既然說到消防弟兄的部分了那我們其實是要給他更多的保障可是老實說你從法條文字上面來講大家雖然知道是得到的保障但是其實也加重他非常多的等於是行政負擔啦我必須坦白說啦因為比如說叫他填寫報告也好叫他去做健檢也好叫他去加強訓練也好這些都是應該做的本席都支持本席都支持\n\n03:26.016 --> 03:41.422\n但是消防弟兄的勤務本來就已經很繁重了,這些負擔行政加上去,這些行政加上去會不會成為負擔?我想跟委員報告一下,如果他是對消防人員自己本身的生命安全保障的話,這對他是好的。\n\n03:42.602 --> 03:43.663\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n04:09.565 --> 04:23.132\n感謝委員這麼關心事實上剛剛委員提到沒錯就是除了法律面以外事實上執行面很重要我們也很感謝院裡面也核定我們職業的忠誠計劃未來五年中央會有輔導團隊地方每個縣市政府就跟深耕計劃一樣有個別有輔導團隊不是說強制性你要怎麼做而是有專業團隊的精神跟輔導讓\n\n04:36.300 --> 04:48.395\n所以我就定調你叫做利益良善嘛然後該不該做我也應該做所以這次要不要入法我也支持我都支持了但是光是行政作業這就是一定又是加重了啦老實講就是這樣因為現在的狀況是什麼現在其實就是消防人力其實有不足啦不足\n\n04:53.621 --> 05:07.914\n所以在最後的時間我也跟部長和署長這邊再探討一下我們現在一直在說消防人力短缺這部分那部長我也看到了消防署現在包括這個考試的這個專科比重的計分他重新做了一個調整\n\n05:08.655 --> 05:10.116\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n05:26.101 --> 05:26.982\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n\n05:56.641 --> 06:02.646\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n\n06:21.199 --> 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