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00:01:46,508\n其實我認為今天非常重要的還是職安專章啦那前面我們講一下資訊權的部分首先請教一下部長因為其實在2018年那時候進棚大火之後其實針對資訊權有非常大幅的檢討因為這個真的非常非常重要因為當時的這個悲劇是六位消防員殉職現在想起來心還是很痛\n\n5\n00:01:47,969 --> 00:02:13,949\n我覺得最重要的其實當時有兩個問題一個是當時的圖資並沒有及時的更新那時候包括說他們手邊拿到只有最基礎的消防設備的資訊那像是危險物品怎麼擺放然後逃生出口以及工廠的機台等等這些那時候都是因為沒有辦法及時的取得然後釀成悲劇然後就會增加救災的難度跟迷航的風險\n\n6\n00:02:14,930 --> 00:02:35,147\n另外一個我覺得很重要的就是專人在現場的協助,就是只有他們自己熟悉地形的專人在現場,才有辦法立即的協助救災的指揮官,然後可以及時的告知這些搶救的資訊。所以後來其實我們消防法有做第一次的修正,就是在21條之一,針對這兩個重點先進行補強了。\n\n7\n00:02:38,650 --> 00:02:56,395\n後來其實就我所知,內政部其實也針對這兩大問題有給予非常大力的修正。那我想問一下說,後來我們消防署自己做的努力有哪些呢?可不可以大致跟大家講一下?我先跟黃委員報告一下。\n\n8\n00:02:56,735 --> 00:03:01,339\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n9\n00:03:22,598 --> 00:03:23,458\n五、審查委員黃瑋園等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n10\n00:03:45,786 --> 00:04:01,377\n好太好了謝謝部長那再來我請教一下消防署比較細節的部分因為其實就我所知你們現在也有把這個危害辨識卡把所有不管跟經濟部那邊要的資訊跟所有部會要的資訊都統一的說要揭示在這個危害辨識卡上面\n\n11\n00:04:02,998 --> 00:04:18,233\n那因為你們也有定一個說到2025年底要進行一個計劃就是要推動說所有的工廠企業都應該要有這樣的辨識卡嗎?那我想問一下說現在這個有沒有掌握說到底有哪些多少比例的工廠已經有把這個危害辨識卡都已經準備完畢了呢?\n\n12\n00:04:22,264 --> 00:04:25,068\n報告委員,H卡目前已經宣導到17845家,就針對危害辨識卡怎麼用、怎麼建設,那這些資料也用在話語捲語上面。還有多少要努力啦?應該這樣問。\n\n13\n00:04:38,398 --> 00:04:52,794\n這個部分我們在整個統計以後我們在查閱還沒做到的目前就朝向這個目標因為目前剛才部長有提到過這些資訊都放在化學院上面那我們在派遣的時候這個資訊也通知在派遣上面會出現出來\n\n14\n00:04:54,111 --> 00:05:04,557\n是用不同的方法來達成我們期待的一個目標。是啦,那當然我的最終的目標還是希望不是只有勸導或者是說只是跟他們講醫生說你們要有這個危害辨識卡喔而是他們應該要強制的知道自己有這樣的責任跟義務這些東西都是必須要準備好的這個只是準備的基本而不是說跟他勸戒之後他才勉強的說對我們口頭上有告知啊\n\n15\n00:05:22,808 --> 00:05:51,350\n所以我覺得最重要的是接下來的救災資訊應該要入法那我也想要誠摯的建議在我的版本裡面我把這個危害辨識卡要放在一個具體的地方然後每個工廠都應該要標示把它入法了那這個其實也是你們在在這個推動的計畫裡面有建議的就是說不管是放在執事室或者說他們的警衛室都有一個具體的地方明確的地方是必須要放置這些資訊的\n\n16\n00:05:52,811 --> 00:06:04,346\n那我也希望說接下來是不是也把他入法讓他有一個更明確的規範然後告知說沒有放的話你是需要被開罰的這樣大家才會有警惕才知道說這個是他們真的應該要盡到的義務是\n\n17\n00:06:08,371 --> 00:06:25,010\n感謝委員,委員的版本也有類似這個條文,那我們行政院版也有把這個條文列進去,期待是放在明顯一看的地方,然後我消防軍員到現場就在那個可以看得到,那現場也有專人來做這方面輔導,那協助,那這些沒有做的也有相對的處罰。\n\n18\n00:06:25,751 --> 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所以其實高雄的這個消防員的工作真的是非常辛苦在這邊也要幫他們爭取一下了相信部長也很清楚\n27270\t30452\t那首先我還是要譴責一下在這邊譴責一下國民黨啦為什麼咧因為其實剛剛我們朝委也有講到了今天其實最重要的是要把我們消防法的審查開始進行然後希望這兩天目標本來是這兩天要審查完畢結果沒有想到國民黨團竟然拒簽這個不同意附議書喔讓我是非常驚訝我也覺得非常的遺憾\n53769\t55430\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n83992\t106508\t其實我認為今天非常重要的還是職安專章啦那前面我們講一下資訊權的部分首先請教一下部長因為其實在2018年那時候進棚大火之後其實針對資訊權有非常大幅的檢討因為這個真的非常非常重要因為當時的這個悲劇是六位消防員殉職現在想起來心還是很痛\n107969\t133949\t我覺得最重要的其實當時有兩個問題一個是當時的圖資並沒有及時的更新那時候包括說他們手邊拿到只有最基礎的消防設備的資訊那像是危險物品怎麼擺放然後逃生出口以及工廠的機台等等這些那時候都是因為沒有辦法及時的取得然後釀成悲劇然後就會增加救災的難度跟迷航的風險\n134930\t155147\t另外一個我覺得很重要的就是專人在現場的協助,就是只有他們自己熟悉地形的專人在現場,才有辦法立即的協助救災的指揮官,然後可以及時的告知這些搶救的資訊。所以後來其實我們消防法有做第一次的修正,就是在21條之一,針對這兩個重點先進行補強了。\n158650\t176395\t後來其實就我所知,內政部其實也針對這兩大問題有給予非常大力的修正。那我想問一下說,後來我們消防署自己做的努力有哪些呢?可不可以大致跟大家講一下?我先跟黃委員報告一下。\n176735\t181339\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n202598\t203458\t五、審查委員黃瑋園等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n225786\t241377\t好 太好了 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謝謝主席剛剛其實巧惠委員提到的這個我們高雄也是啦我相信部長自己很清楚高雄我們服務的人口比跟範圍面積比都是最大的因為高雄是六都裡面面積最大的沒錯 所以其實高雄的這個消防員的工作真的是非常辛苦在這邊也要幫他們爭取一下了相信部長也很清楚\n那首先我還是要譴責一下在這邊譴責一下國民黨啦為什麼咧因為其實剛剛我們朝委也有講到了今天其實最重要的是要把我們消防法的審查開始進行然後希望這兩天目標本來是這兩天要審查完畢結果沒有想到國民黨團竟然拒簽這個不同意附議書喔讓我是非常驚訝我也覺得非常的遺憾\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n其實我認為今天非常重要的還是職安專章啦那前面我們講一下資訊權的部分首先請教一下部長因為其實在2018年那時候進棚大火之後其實針對資訊權有非常大幅的檢討因為這個真的非常非常重要因為當時的這個悲劇是六位消防員殉職現在想起來心還是很痛\n我覺得最重要的其實當時有兩個問題一個是當時的圖資並沒有及時的更新那時候包括說他們手邊拿到只有最基礎的消防設備的資訊那像是危險物品怎麼擺放然後逃生出口以及工廠的機台等等這些那時候都是因為沒有辦法及時的取得然後釀成悲劇然後就會增加救災的難度跟迷航的風險\n另外一個我覺得很重要的就是專人在現場的協助,就是只有他們自己熟悉地形的專人在現場,才有辦法立即的協助救災的指揮官,然後可以及時的告知這些搶救的資訊。所以後來其實我們消防法有做第一次的修正,就是在21條之一,針對這兩個重點先進行補強了。\n後來其實就我所知,內政部其實也針對這兩大問題有給予非常大力的修正。那我想問一下說,後來我們消防署自己做的努力有哪些呢?可不可以大致跟大家講一下?我先跟黃委員報告一下。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n五、審查委員黃瑋園等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n好 太好了 謝謝部長那再來我請教一下消防署比較細節的部分因為其實就我所知你們現在也有把這個危害辨識卡把所有不管跟經濟部那邊要的資訊跟所有部會要的資訊都統一的說要揭示在這個危害辨識卡上面\n那因為你們也有定一個說到2025年底要進行一個計劃就是要推動說所有的工廠企業都應該要有這樣的辨識卡嗎?那我想問一下說現在這個有沒有掌握說到底有哪些多少比例的工廠已經有把這個危害辨識卡都已經準備完畢了呢?\n報告委員,H卡目前已經宣導到17845家,就針對危害辨識卡怎麼用、怎麼建設,那這些資料也用在話語捲語上面。還有多少要努力啦?應該這樣問。\n這個部分我們在整個統計以後我們在查閱還沒做到的目前就朝向這個目標因為目前剛才部長有提到過這些資訊都放在化學院上面那我們在派遣的時候這個資訊也通知在派遣上面會出現出來\n是用不同的方法來達成我們期待的一個目標。是啦,那當然我的最終的目標還是希望不是只有勸導或者是說只是跟他們講醫生說你們要有這個危害辨識卡喔而是他們應該要強制的知道自己有這樣的責任跟義務這些東西都是必須要準備好的這個只是準備的基本而不是說跟他勸戒之後他才勉強的說對我們口頭上有告知啊\n所以我覺得最重要的是接下來的救災資訊應該要入法那我也想要誠摯的建議在我的版本裡面我把這個危害辨識卡要放在一個具體的地方然後每個工廠都應該要標示把它入法了那這個其實也是你們在在這個推動的計畫裡面有建議的就是說不管是放在執事室或者說他們的警衛室都有一個具體的地方明確的地方是必須要放置這些資訊的\n那我也希望說接下來是不是也把他入法讓他有一個更明確的規範然後告知說沒有放的話你是需要被開罰的這樣大家才會有警惕才知道說這個是他們真的應該要盡到的義務是\n感謝委員,委員的版本也有類似這個條文,那我們行政院版也有把這個條文列進去,期待是放在明顯一看的地方,然後我消防軍員到現場就在那個可以看得到,那現場也有專人來做這方面輔導,那協助,那這些沒有做的也有相對的處罰。\n好,太好了。好,謝謝消防署。最後講一下這個吹哨者保護,因為其實不管是在其他的相關的勞動的法令或是任何的類型的吹哨者保護,其實都是要必要的提供他們不管是法律上的協助,以防說他們因為吹哨,然後反而被清算或者是說被找查,這個保護是非常重要的。\n所以我也希望說在這邊的舉發人也應該要予以不管是法律的協助或者是給予他們一些鼓勵,這方面的保護是不是也在這一次的修法中我們把它放進去呢?是我們的工作,原來是嫌疑人現在修正成工作者,相關人員都包括在裡面。是,就是等於是可以舉發的範圍變大了嘛。對,相關的人不會說就是很明確的說很容易被針對的對象。\n希望不只是這個放進去,還有他們必要的法律的協助以及他們最基本的保護層,這個都應該要做到好嗎?\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.817 --> 00:26.670\n好謝謝主席剛剛其實巧惠委員提到的這個我們高雄也是啦我相信部長自己很清楚高雄我們服務的人口比跟範圍面積比都是最大的因為高雄是六都裡面面積最大的沒錯所以其實高雄的這個消防員的工作真的是非常辛苦在這邊也要幫他們爭取一下了相信部長也很清楚\n\n00:27.270 --> 00:30.452\n那首先我還是要譴責一下在這邊譴責一下國民黨啦為什麼咧因為其實剛剛我們朝委也有講到了今天其實最重要的是要把我們消防法的審查開始進行然後希望這兩天目標本來是這兩天要審查完畢結果沒有想到國民黨團竟然拒簽這個不同意附議書喔讓我是非常驚訝我也覺得非常的遺憾\n\n00:53.769 --> 00:55.430\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n01:23.992 --> 01:46.508\n其實我認為今天非常重要的還是職安專章啦那前面我們講一下資訊權的部分首先請教一下部長因為其實在2018年那時候進棚大火之後其實針對資訊權有非常大幅的檢討因為這個真的非常非常重要因為當時的這個悲劇是六位消防員殉職現在想起來心還是很痛\n\n01:47.969 --> 02:13.949\n我覺得最重要的其實當時有兩個問題一個是當時的圖資並沒有及時的更新那時候包括說他們手邊拿到只有最基礎的消防設備的資訊那像是危險物品怎麼擺放然後逃生出口以及工廠的機台等等這些那時候都是因為沒有辦法及時的取得然後釀成悲劇然後就會增加救災的難度跟迷航的風險\n\n02:14.930 --> 02:35.147\n另外一個我覺得很重要的就是專人在現場的協助,就是只有他們自己熟悉地形的專人在現場,才有辦法立即的協助救災的指揮官,然後可以及時的告知這些搶救的資訊。所以後來其實我們消防法有做第一次的修正,就是在21條之一,針對這兩個重點先進行補強了。\n\n02:38.650 --> 02:56.395\n後來其實就我所知,內政部其實也針對這兩大問題有給予非常大力的修正。那我想問一下說,後來我們消防署自己做的努力有哪些呢?可不可以大致跟大家講一下?我先跟黃委員報告一下。\n\n02:56.735 --> 03:01.339\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n03:22.598 --> 03:23.458\n五、審查委員黃瑋園等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n03:45.786 --> 04:01.377\n好太好了謝謝部長那再來我請教一下消防署比較細節的部分因為其實就我所知你們現在也有把這個危害辨識卡把所有不管跟經濟部那邊要的資訊跟所有部會要的資訊都統一的說要揭示在這個危害辨識卡上面\n\n04:02.998 --> 04:18.233\n那因為你們也有定一個說到2025年底要進行一個計劃就是要推動說所有的工廠企業都應該要有這樣的辨識卡嗎?那我想問一下說現在這個有沒有掌握說到底有哪些多少比例的工廠已經有把這個危害辨識卡都已經準備完畢了呢?\n\n04:22.264 --> 04:25.068\n報告委員,H卡目前已經宣導到17845家,就針對危害辨識卡怎麼用、怎麼建設,那這些資料也用在話語捲語上面。還有多少要努力啦?應該這樣問。\n\n04:38.398 --> 04:52.794\n這個部分我們在整個統計以後我們在查閱還沒做到的目前就朝向這個目標因為目前剛才部長有提到過這些資訊都放在化學院上面那我們在派遣的時候這個資訊也通知在派遣上面會出現出來\n\n04:54.111 --> 05:04.557\n是用不同的方法來達成我們期待的一個目標。是啦,那當然我的最終的目標還是希望不是只有勸導或者是說只是跟他們講醫生說你們要有這個危害辨識卡喔而是他們應該要強制的知道自己有這樣的責任跟義務這些東西都是必須要準備好的這個只是準備的基本而不是說跟他勸戒之後他才勉強的說對我們口頭上有告知啊\n\n05:22.808 --> 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所以其實高雄的這個消防員的工作真的是非常辛苦在這邊也要幫他們爭取一下了相信部長也很清楚"},{"start":27.27,"end":30.452,"text":"那首先我還是要譴責一下在這邊譴責一下國民黨啦為什麼咧因為其實剛剛我們朝委也有講到了今天其實最重要的是要把我們消防法的審查開始進行然後希望這兩天目標本來是這兩天要審查完畢結果沒有想到國民黨團竟然拒簽這個不同意附議書喔讓我是非常驚訝我也覺得非常的遺憾"},{"start":53.769,"end":55.43,"text":"四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。"},{"start":83.992,"end":106.508,"text":"其實我認為今天非常重要的還是職安專章啦那前面我們講一下資訊權的部分首先請教一下部長因為其實在2018年那時候進棚大火之後其實針對資訊權有非常大幅的檢討因為這個真的非常非常重要因為當時的這個悲劇是六位消防員殉職現在想起來心還是很痛"},{"start":107.969,"end":133.949,"text":"我覺得最重要的其實當時有兩個問題一個是當時的圖資並沒有及時的更新那時候包括說他們手邊拿到只有最基礎的消防設備的資訊那像是危險物品怎麼擺放然後逃生出口以及工廠的機台等等這些那時候都是因為沒有辦法及時的取得然後釀成悲劇然後就會增加救災的難度跟迷航的風險"},{"start":134.93,"end":155.147,"text":"另外一個我覺得很重要的就是專人在現場的協助,就是只有他們自己熟悉地形的專人在現場,才有辦法立即的協助救災的指揮官,然後可以及時的告知這些搶救的資訊。所以後來其實我們消防法有做第一次的修正,就是在21條之一,針對這兩個重點先進行補強了。"},{"start":158.65,"end":176.395,"text":"後來其實就我所知,內政部其實也針對這兩大問題有給予非常大力的修正。那我想問一下說,後來我們消防署自己做的努力有哪些呢?可不可以大致跟大家講一下?我先跟黃委員報告一下。"},{"start":176.735,"end":181.339,"text":"三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":202.598,"end":203.458,"text":"五、審查委員黃瑋園等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。"},{"start":225.786,"end":241.377,"text":"好 太好了 謝謝部長那再來我請教一下消防署比較細節的部分因為其實就我所知你們現在也有把這個危害辨識卡把所有不管跟經濟部那邊要的資訊跟所有部會要的資訊都統一的說要揭示在這個危害辨識卡上面"},{"start":242.998,"end":258.233,"text":"那因為你們也有定一個說到2025年底要進行一個計劃就是要推動說所有的工廠企業都應該要有這樣的辨識卡嗎?那我想問一下說現在這個有沒有掌握說到底有哪些多少比例的工廠已經有把這個危害辨識卡都已經準備完畢了呢?"},{"start":262.264,"end":265.068,"text":"報告委員,H卡目前已經宣導到17845家,就針對危害辨識卡怎麼用、怎麼建設,那這些資料也用在話語捲語上面。還有多少要努力啦?應該這樣問。"},{"start":278.398,"end":292.794,"text":"這個部分我們在整個統計以後我們在查閱還沒做到的目前就朝向這個目標因為目前剛才部長有提到過這些資訊都放在化學院上面那我們在派遣的時候這個資訊也通知在派遣上面會出現出來"},{"start":294.111,"end":304.557,"text":"是用不同的方法來達成我們期待的一個目標。是啦,那當然我的最終的目標還是希望不是只有勸導或者是說只是跟他們講醫生說你們要有這個危害辨識卡喔而是他們應該要強制的知道自己有這樣的責任跟義務這些東西都是必須要準備好的這個只是準備的基本而不是說跟他勸戒之後他才勉強的說對我們口頭上有告知啊"},{"start":322.808,"end":351.35,"text":"所以我覺得最重要的是接下來的救災資訊應該要入法那我也想要誠摯的建議在我的版本裡面我把這個危害辨識卡要放在一個具體的地方然後每個工廠都應該要標示把它入法了那這個其實也是你們在在這個推動的計畫裡面有建議的就是說不管是放在執事室或者說他們的警衛室都有一個具體的地方明確的地方是必須要放置這些資訊的"},{"start":352.811,"end":364.346,"text":"那我也希望說接下來是不是也把他入法讓他有一個更明確的規範然後告知說沒有放的話你是需要被開罰的這樣大家才會有警惕才知道說這個是他們真的應該要盡到的義務是"},{"start":368.371,"end":385.01,"text":"感謝委員,委員的版本也有類似這個條文,那我們行政院版也有把這個條文列進去,期待是放在明顯一看的地方,然後我消防軍員到現場就在那個可以看得到,那現場也有專人來做這方面輔導,那協助,那這些沒有做的也有相對的處罰。"},{"start":385.751,"end":402.642,"text":"好,太好了。好,謝謝消防署。最後講一下這個吹哨者保護,因為其實不管是在其他的相關的勞動的法令或是任何的類型的吹哨者保護,其實都是要必要的提供他們不管是法律上的協助,以防說他們因為吹哨,然後反而被清算或者是說被找查,這個保護是非常重要的。"},{"start":410.447,"end":430.418,"text":"所以我也希望說在這邊的舉發人也應該要予以不管是法律的協助或者是給予他們一些鼓勵,這方面的保護是不是也在這一次的修法中我們把它放進去呢?是我們的工作,原來是嫌疑人現在修正成工作者,相關人員都包括在裡面。是,就是等於是可以舉發的範圍變大了嘛。對,相關的人不會說就是很明確的說很容易被針對的對象。"},{"start":437.759,"end":444.566,"text":"希望不只是這個放進去,還有他們必要的法律的協助以及他們最基本的保護層,這個都應該要做到好嗎?"}]}}}}