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00:02:28,697\n當水板就是組成一個水槽,灌水就可以用。對啦,那未來你們要加強這個啦。這個訓練,我們都有訓練過。訓練的東西,你們訓練的時候,那個東西不是你們的啦。那是處理師做的啦。所以這種的設備,要加強,沒辦法,處理師也要用,跟我們也要用,這樣就慘了。好,這就是整個救災的方法,我們拿起來,謝謝議員。\n\n8\n00:02:48,047 --> 00:02:49,688\n本席要跟你說,消防的、休訓的,在議法2023年一月初開始,我們是做一天休訓一天,但是在這個過程當中,你覺得說,在幾年你所寫的,\n\n9\n00:03:06,079 --> 00:03:20,028\n二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n10\n00:03:32,294 --> 00:03:36,156\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n11\n00:03:59,708 --> 00:04:03,471\n每個委員都有達到這個目標。市長,你要去瞭解一下嗎?委員,你先提醒一下,待會兒委員會做報告,我們來檢討。目前目前的狀況就是秦一休一或秦二休二。每個月的目前的狀況是176家,另外加班時間。\n\n12\n00:04:23,845 --> 00:04:30,149\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n\n13\n00:04:46,980 --> 00:04:48,641\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n14\n00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:09,551\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n15\n00:05:24,517 --> 00:05:33,082\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n16\n00:05:53,533 --> 00:06:02,822\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n17\n00:06:06,621 --> 00:06:14,585\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n18\n00:06:24,969 --> 00:06:35,276\n來回答一下是感謝委員林查秋好其實有規定在後面25條之二就說義消人員義消人員也適用到他的範圍對剛才就跟你說之二市長你現在就是說第25條在你的安全衛生管理系統裡面就是有包含義消是\n\n19\n00:06:47,924 --> 00:06:51,307\n因為這裏面本席要向你探討的就是25條知識,經濟的統計、評估消防人員的安全、針對消防人員種種的問題和做法。我認為因其疾病、傷害、\n\n20\n00:07:09,581 --> 00:07:12,743\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n21\n00:07:26,631 --> 00:07:26,791\n三、審查委員\n\n22\n00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:51,407\n我們消防人員辛苦二少爺現在做義務的更加辛苦所以我們如果要整理他們的管理我們都要整理所以本社才會去探討這些問題出來不只是說消防人員我們也不知道你是不是有哪一路這樣是很好的是一個有擔當的政府本社在這裡要跟你說\n\n23\n00:08:09,542 --> 00:08:15,844\n我們說實在很可惜,今天在武漢道心中,我們行政院的這個草案出來,我覺得公民都說了說了,做了做了,因為大家說實在消防人員,大家都非常辛苦,當然是在未完的時間,我們在一個月內,\n\n24\n00:08:34,946 --> 00:08:40,368\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n25\n00:09:02,967 --> 00:09:07,032\n我們1982年到1985年,因為自己有四台運輸車,跟未來我們要追車要做什麼,本身要跟你說一個,高雄發生,發生之後,我們的消防領域,\n\n26\n00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:25,942\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n27\n00:09:37,469 --> 00:09:53,922\n五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n28\n00:10:07,973 --> 00:10:14,218\n大家重點是高樓建築物的建築防火必然安全要求重要。對啦,我重要,我現在是說,好心的人,拖吊中,他的吊車說可以啦,我們協助的時候,這有安全嗎?不安全嗎?\n\n29\n00:10:25,228 --> 00:10:27,369\n三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n\n30\n00:10:47,862 --> 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«消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n286980\t288641\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n305806\t309551\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n324517\t333082\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n353533\t362822\t五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n366621\t374585\t五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n384969\t395276\t來 回答一下是 感謝委員 林查秋好其實有規定在後面25條之二就說義消人員義消人員也適用到他的範圍對 剛才就跟你說之二市長你現在就是說第25條在你的安全衛生管理系統裡面就是有包含義消是\n407924\t411307\t因為這裏面本席要向你探討的就是25條知識,經濟的統計、評估消防人員的安全、針對消防人員種種的問題和做法。我認為因其疾病、傷害、\n429581\t432743\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n446631\t446791\t三、審查委員\n462079\t471407\t我們消防人員辛苦二少爺現在做義務的更加辛苦所以我們如果要整理他們的管理我們都要整理所以本社才會去探討這些問題出來不只是說消防人員我們也不知道你是不是有哪一路這樣是很好的是一個有擔當的政府本社在這裡要跟你說\n489542\t495844\t我們說實在很可惜,今天在武漢道心中,我們行政院的這個草案出來,我覺得公民都說了說了,做了做了,因為大家說實在消防人員,大家都非常辛苦,當然是在未完的時間,我們在一個月內,\n514946\t520368\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n542967\t547032\t我們1982年到1985年,因為自己有四台運輸車,跟未來我們要追車要做什麼,本身要跟你說一個,高雄發生,發生之後,我們的消防領域,\n561320\t565942\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n577469\t593922\t五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n607973\t614218\t大家重點是高樓建築物的建築防火必然安全要求重要。對啦,我重要,我現在是說,好心的人,拖吊中,他的吊車說可以啦,我們協助的時候,這有安全嗎?不安全嗎?\n625228\t627369\t三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n647862\t651165\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n","txt":"主席,我們請消防署來。市長,在這裡因為有很多被審不知道,在這個三檔來,我們的電動車、離電池,在公共局的統計,裡面這三檔來,一檔汽車和汽車,差不多最近十萬台。\n在這個過程當中,白色都有一些不知道,都會想說到底車開燒之後是可以泡水還是不可以泡水。在這個過程當中,有的白色不知道,\n九、最緊大家要了解的就是在芬林的高速公路附近發生一台他的電動車廢修車。在那裡大家要知道這是要用水泡的,不是不能用水泡的。來,署長是不是這樣?我講的比較正確。感謝委員,委員對消防非常了解。\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n當水板就是組成一個水槽,灌水就可以用。對啦,那未來你們要加強這個啦。這個訓練,我們都有訓練過。訓練的東西,你們訓練的時候,那個東西不是你們的啦。那是處理師做的啦。所以這種的設備,要加強,沒辦法,處理師也要用,跟我們也要用,這樣就慘了。好,這就是整個救災的方法,我們拿起來,謝謝議員。\n本席要跟你說,消防的、休訓的,在議法2023年一月初開始,我們是做一天休訓一天,但是在這個過程當中,你覺得說,在幾年你所寫的,\n二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n每個委員都有達到這個目標。市長,你要去瞭解一下嗎?委員,你先提醒一下,待會兒委員會做報告,我們來檢討。目前目前的狀況就是秦一休一或秦二休二。每個月的目前的狀況是176家,另外加班時間。\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n來 回答一下是 感謝委員 林查秋好其實有規定在後面25條之二就說義消人員義消人員也適用到他的範圍對 剛才就跟你說之二市長你現在就是說第25條在你的安全衛生管理系統裡面就是有包含義消是\n因為這裏面本席要向你探討的就是25條知識,經濟的統計、評估消防人員的安全、針對消防人員種種的問題和做法。我認為因其疾病、傷害、\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n三、審查委員\n我們消防人員辛苦二少爺現在做義務的更加辛苦所以我們如果要整理他們的管理我們都要整理所以本社才會去探討這些問題出來不只是說消防人員我們也不知道你是不是有哪一路這樣是很好的是一個有擔當的政府本社在這裡要跟你說\n我們說實在很可惜,今天在武漢道心中,我們行政院的這個草案出來,我覺得公民都說了說了,做了做了,因為大家說實在消防人員,大家都非常辛苦,當然是在未完的時間,我們在一個月內,\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n我們1982年到1985年,因為自己有四台運輸車,跟未來我們要追車要做什麼,本身要跟你說一個,高雄發生,發生之後,我們的消防領域,\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n大家重點是高樓建築物的建築防火必然安全要求重要。對啦,我重要,我現在是說,好心的人,拖吊中,他的吊車說可以啦,我們協助的時候,這有安全嗎?不安全嗎?\n三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.567 --> 00:06.970\n主席,我們請消防署來。市長,在這裡因為有很多被審不知道,在這個三檔來,我們的電動車、離電池,在公共局的統計,裡面這三檔來,一檔汽車和汽車,差不多最近十萬台。\n\n00:31.854 --> 00:33.075\n在這個過程當中,白色都有一些不知道,都會想說到底車開燒之後是可以泡水還是不可以泡水。在這個過程當中,有的白色不知道,\n\n00:49.087 --> 00:51.968\n九、最緊大家要了解的就是在芬林的高速公路附近發生一台他的電動車廢修車。在那裡大家要知道這是要用水泡的,不是不能用水泡的。來,署長是不是這樣?我講的比較正確。感謝委員,委員對消防非常了解。\n\n01:14.437 --> 01:21.023\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n01:41.010 --> 01:44.591\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員黃捷等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n02:08.038 --> 02:09.760\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n02:21.453 --> 02:28.697\n當水板就是組成一個水槽,灌水就可以用。對啦,那未來你們要加強這個啦。這個訓練,我們都有訓練過。訓練的東西,你們訓練的時候,那個東西不是你們的啦。那是處理師做的啦。所以這種的設備,要加強,沒辦法,處理師也要用,跟我們也要用,這樣就慘了。好,這就是整個救災的方法,我們拿起來,謝謝議員。\n\n02:48.047 --> 02:49.688\n本席要跟你說,消防的、休訓的,在議法2023年一月初開始,我們是做一天休訓一天,但是在這個過程當中,你覺得說,在幾年你所寫的,\n\n03:06.079 --> 03:20.028\n二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。二、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n03:32.294 --> 03:36.156\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n03:59.708 --> 04:03.471\n每個委員都有達到這個目標。市長,你要去瞭解一下嗎?委員,你先提醒一下,待會兒委員會做報告,我們來檢討。目前目前的狀況就是秦一休一或秦二休二。每個月的目前的狀況是176家,另外加班時間。\n\n04:23.845 --> 04:30.149\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n\n04:46.980 --> 04:48.641\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n05:05.806 --> 05:09.551\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n05:24.517 --> 05:33.082\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n05:53.533 --> 06:02.822\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n06:06.621 --> 06:14.585\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n06:24.969 --> 06:35.276\n來回答一下是感謝委員林查秋好其實有規定在後面25條之二就說義消人員義消人員也適用到他的範圍對剛才就跟你說之二市長你現在就是說第25條在你的安全衛生管理系統裡面就是有包含義消是\n\n06:47.924 --> 06:51.307\n因為這裏面本席要向你探討的就是25條知識,經濟的統計、評估消防人員的安全、針對消防人員種種的問題和做法。我認為因其疾病、傷害、\n\n07:09.581 --> 07:12.743\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n07:26.631 --> 07:26.791\n三、審查委員\n\n07:42.079 --> 07:51.407\n我們消防人員辛苦二少爺現在做義務的更加辛苦所以我們如果要整理他們的管理我們都要整理所以本社才會去探討這些問題出來不只是說消防人員我們也不知道你是不是有哪一路這樣是很好的是一個有擔當的政府本社在這裡要跟你說\n\n08:09.542 --> 08:15.844\n我們說實在很可惜,今天在武漢道心中,我們行政院的這個草案出來,我覺得公民都說了說了,做了做了,因為大家說實在消防人員,大家都非常辛苦,當然是在未完的時間,我們在一個月內,\n\n08:34.946 --> 08:40.368\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n09:02.967 --> 09:07.032\n我們1982年到1985年,因為自己有四台運輸車,跟未來我們要追車要做什麼,本身要跟你說一個,高雄發生,發生之後,我們的消防領域,\n\n09:21.320 --> 09:25.942\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n09:37.469 --> 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