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00:00:42,011\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n4\n00:00:55,148 --> 00:01:08,735\n第一個我相信這次修法核心的目的是完善消防人員的這個保障,職業安全的保障,以及提升救災效率以及等等。那我就要先講第一個問題,這個有關於倉儲的問題。工廠管理輔導法21條1項規定工廠製造加工或使用危險物品達管制量者應該要申報。\n\n5\n00:01:15,538 --> 00:01:40,563\n那這次的修法行政院院版的消防法的21條之一剛好都是21條講說工廠化學物品的倉庫及出生倉儲管理人平時應備置化學物品總量、數量、位置平面圖以及搶救資訊於火災發生時應立即提供消防指揮人員第二火災發生時要指派專人協助救災從這兩個法條其實可以看出差別這個純有化學品的工廠\n\n6\n00:01:41,403 --> 00:01:54,129\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n7\n00:02:09,577 --> 00:02:35,482\n如果平常只是配置,就是你講的就是準備好相關的配置圖,然後發生災難的時候才提供,來得及嗎?請回答。是,感謝委員。我們在這次修法也把資訊犬的部分拉進來,就是專業的人他要現場提供就在院資訊的一個場域。我現在跟你講嘛,實務上來講,你準備好,萬一都放在這個場區裡咧?進不去拿不到怎麼辦?\n\n8\n00:02:38,513 --> 00:02:51,672\n深報跟被制的最大差異就是深報提早交到政府機關的手上出事的時候你第一時間你政府就直接拿是不是你就掌握資訊可是你如果只是準備然後發聲的時候提供萬一他拿不出來怎麼辦\n\n9\n00:02:52,776 --> 00:03:17,035\n感謝委員,這個部分院裡面有特別交代,就針對倉儲的部分怎麼來處理,這個已經有一個案子在執行當中。那另外跟委員報告就是說,今年我們最近這幾天會把倉儲自動消血設備的...你不要跟我扯別的,你就談條文就好。就是你這個倉儲有化學品的,你只要備次你不用申報,會不會造成漏洞?有沒有可能造成漏洞?\n\n10\n00:03:18,485 --> 00:03:21,428\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n\n11\n00:03:35,049 --> 00:03:38,190\n第二、存放一般用品的倉庫,不是說只有化學品才要管理吧?\n\n12\n00:03:55,495 --> 00:03:58,018\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n13\n00:04:14,075 --> 00:04:20,478\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n\n14\n00:04:36,164 --> 00:04:49,619\n那這些易燃物品的時候燃燒起來的代價這社會要承擔的代價不見得亞於這個化學品的倉庫化學品倉庫的危險在於救災危險我完全同意要重研納管我也完全同意所以我剛剛才講應該要申報對不對但是這物流倉儲的危險在於燃燒的面積還有燃燒的時間跟程度\n\n15\n00:04:58,087 --> 00:05:24,457\n這個不只是只有消防的問題,它也有公害的問題啊。這本席會這麼關心這個題目,就是每幅倉儲大火啊。那一把火可以燒三個禮拜啊。對不對,那是多大的浩劫,對不對。那請問部長,請問署長喔。這個化學品的倉庫跟一般物品的倉庫,哪一個比較危險?應該都很危險吧。對不對。既然都危險,那一般的倉儲要不要納管?要不要列管?在消防法的修正裡面。你是不是要有一些專門的條文,把它也納入列管的範圍?好,跟我們報告齁。\n\n16\n00:05:26,994 --> 00:05:29,655\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n17\n00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:50,523\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n18\n00:06:11,937 --> 00:06:16,458\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n19\n00:06:39,286 --> 00:07:02,255\n消防機關要負擔費用,這支持基層弟兄百分之百同意。但是,消防法28條三項將參加第一項的義勇消防組織人員,安全衛生防護四項準用、得準用。25條之二第二項及25條第四的規定,當然就是安全衛生管理系統。不過我覺得安全衛生管理系統,剛剛應該有蠻多委員有談到,大概不是重點嘛。\n\n20\n00:07:02,615 --> 00:07:29,223\n我們既然要幫義消爭取權力我當然希望他跟一般的消防基層弟兄一樣也有一部分健康檢查補助的這樣子一個機制那你都可以准用25條之2或25條之4你為什麼不能准用25條之6呢你如果讓他准用是不是基層的義消當然你講有經費分配有些壓力這本身都了解的但我們總要往前進吧義消在協助救災付出的這個程度其實有些時候不亞於真正的基層人員嘛\n\n21\n00:07:30,023 --> 00:07:32,525\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n22\n00:07:55,567 --> 00:08:02,597\n雖然今天沒有辦法進到主條,但是我不管是第一會期尾巴或第二會期開始,我們趕快讓這個法完善的情況下來通過,好嗎?好,請繼續努力,謝謝。好,謝謝,謝謝牛先天。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5063\t11552\t好 謝謝主席內政部長 消防署署長有請好 內政部長 消防署署長\n16605\t40130\t好,這個部長署長齁,這個你不要怪說在野黨沒有簽署所謂的不附一同一書齁,讓這個法條今天還是只能停在答詢的部分。實在是因為大家對於如何保障不管是消防基層弟兄,或者是說針對消防法的內容齁,其實我們認為有若干可以在更精進之處嘛,所以我們當然要提出版本。這我覺得有時候互相互相啦,像當初這個海保法對不對,我們就等政院提出版本。\n41110\t42011\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n55148\t68735\t第一個我相信這次修法核心的目的是完善消防人員的這個保障,職業安全的保障,以及提升救災效率以及等等。那我就要先講第一個問題,這個有關於倉儲的問題。工廠管理輔導法21條1項規定工廠製造加工或使用危險物品達管制量者應該要申報。\n75538\t100563\t那這次的修法行政院院版的消防法的21條之一剛好都是21條講說工廠化學物品的倉庫及出生倉儲管理人平時應備置化學物品總量、數量、位置平面圖以及搶救資訊於火災發生時應立即提供消防指揮人員第二火災發生時要指派專人協助救災從這兩個法條其實可以看出差別這個純有化學品的工廠\n101403\t114129\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n129577\t155482\t如果平常只是配置,就是你講的就是準備好相關的配置圖,然後發生災難的時候才提供,來得及嗎?請回答。是,感謝委員。我們在這次修法也把資訊犬的部分拉進來,就是專業的人他要現場提供就在院資訊的一個場域。我現在跟你講嘛,實務上來講,你準備好,萬一都放在這個場區裡咧?進不去拿不到怎麼辦?\n158513\t171672\t深報跟被制的最大差異就是深報提早交到政府機關的手上出事的時候你第一時間你政府就直接拿是不是你就掌握資訊可是你如果只是準備然後發聲的時候提供萬一他拿不出來怎麼辦\n172776\t197035\t感謝委員,這個部分院裡面有特別交代,就針對倉儲的部分怎麼來處理,這個已經有一個案子在執行當中。那另外跟委員報告就是說,今年我們最近這幾天會把倉儲自動消血設備的...你不要跟我扯別的,你就談條文就好。就是你這個倉儲有化學品的,你只要備次你不用申報,會不會造成漏洞?有沒有可能造成漏洞?\n198485\t201428\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n215049\t218190\t第二、存放一般用品的倉庫,不是說只有化學品才要管理吧?\n235495\t238018\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n254075\t260478\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n276164\t289619\t那這些易燃物品的時候燃燒起來的代價這社會要承擔的代價不見得亞於這個化學品的倉庫化學品倉庫的危險在於救災危險我完全同意要重研納管我也完全同意所以我剛剛才講應該要申報對不對但是這物流倉儲的危險在於燃燒的面積還有燃燒的時間跟程度\n298087\t324457\t這個不只是只有消防的問題,它也有公害的問題啊。這本席會這麼關心這個題目,就是每幅倉儲大火啊。那一把火可以燒三個禮拜啊。對不對,那是多大的浩劫,對不對。那請問部長,請問署長喔。這個化學品的倉庫跟一般物品的倉庫,哪一個比較危險?應該都很危險吧。對不對。既然都危險,那一般的倉儲要不要納管?要不要列管?在消防法的修正裡面。你是不是要有一些專門的條文,把它也納入列管的範圍?好,跟我們報告齁。\n326994\t329655\t五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n345640\t350523\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n371937\t376458\t四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n399286\t422255\t消防機關要負擔費用,這支持基層弟兄百分之百同意。但是,消防法28條三項將參加第一項的義勇消防組織人員,安全衛生防護四項準用、得準用。25條之二第二項及25條第四的規定,當然就是安全衛生管理系統。不過我覺得安全衛生管理系統,剛剛應該有蠻多委員有談到,大概不是重點嘛。\n422615\t449223\t我們既然要幫義消爭取權力我當然希望他跟一般的消防基層弟兄一樣也有一部分健康檢查補助的這樣子一個機制那你都可以准用25條之2或25條之4你為什麼不能准用25條之6呢你如果讓他准用是不是基層的義消當然你講有經費分配有些壓力這本身都了解的但我們總要往前進吧義消在協助救災付出的這個程度其實有些時候不亞於真正的基層人員嘛\n450023\t452525\t三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n475567\t482597\t雖然今天沒有辦法進到主條,但是我不管是第一會期尾巴或第二會期開始,我們趕快讓這個法完善的情況下來通過,好嗎?好,請繼續努力,謝謝。好,謝謝,謝謝牛先天。\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席內政部長 消防署署長有請好 內政部長 消防署署長\n好,這個部長署長齁,這個你不要怪說在野黨沒有簽署所謂的不附一同一書齁,讓這個法條今天還是只能停在答詢的部分。實在是因為大家對於如何保障不管是消防基層弟兄,或者是說針對消防法的內容齁,其實我們認為有若干可以在更精進之處嘛,所以我們當然要提出版本。這我覺得有時候互相互相啦,像當初這個海保法對不對,我們就等政院提出版本。\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n第一個我相信這次修法核心的目的是完善消防人員的這個保障,職業安全的保障,以及提升救災效率以及等等。那我就要先講第一個問題,這個有關於倉儲的問題。工廠管理輔導法21條1項規定工廠製造加工或使用危險物品達管制量者應該要申報。\n那這次的修法行政院院版的消防法的21條之一剛好都是21條講說工廠化學物品的倉庫及出生倉儲管理人平時應備置化學物品總量、數量、位置平面圖以及搶救資訊於火災發生時應立即提供消防指揮人員第二火災發生時要指派專人協助救災從這兩個法條其實可以看出差別這個純有化學品的工廠\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n如果平常只是配置,就是你講的就是準備好相關的配置圖,然後發生災難的時候才提供,來得及嗎?請回答。是,感謝委員。我們在這次修法也把資訊犬的部分拉進來,就是專業的人他要現場提供就在院資訊的一個場域。我現在跟你講嘛,實務上來講,你準備好,萬一都放在這個場區裡咧?進不去拿不到怎麼辦?\n深報跟被制的最大差異就是深報提早交到政府機關的手上出事的時候你第一時間你政府就直接拿是不是你就掌握資訊可是你如果只是準備然後發聲的時候提供萬一他拿不出來怎麼辦\n感謝委員,這個部分院裡面有特別交代,就針對倉儲的部分怎麼來處理,這個已經有一個案子在執行當中。那另外跟委員報告就是說,今年我們最近這幾天會把倉儲自動消血設備的...你不要跟我扯別的,你就談條文就好。就是你這個倉儲有化學品的,你只要備次你不用申報,會不會造成漏洞?有沒有可能造成漏洞?\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具 «消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n第二、存放一般用品的倉庫,不是說只有化學品才要管理吧?\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n那這些易燃物品的時候燃燒起來的代價這社會要承擔的代價不見得亞於這個化學品的倉庫化學品倉庫的危險在於救災危險我完全同意要重研納管我也完全同意所以我剛剛才講應該要申報對不對但是這物流倉儲的危險在於燃燒的面積還有燃燒的時間跟程度\n這個不只是只有消防的問題,它也有公害的問題啊。這本席會這麼關心這個題目,就是每幅倉儲大火啊。那一把火可以燒三個禮拜啊。對不對,那是多大的浩劫,對不對。那請問部長,請問署長喔。這個化學品的倉庫跟一般物品的倉庫,哪一個比較危險?應該都很危險吧。對不對。既然都危險,那一般的倉儲要不要納管?要不要列管?在消防法的修正裡面。你是不是要有一些專門的條文,把它也納入列管的範圍?好,跟我們報告齁。\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n消防機關要負擔費用,這支持基層弟兄百分之百同意。但是,消防法28條三項將參加第一項的義勇消防組織人員,安全衛生防護四項準用、得準用。25條之二第二項及25條第四的規定,當然就是安全衛生管理系統。不過我覺得安全衛生管理系統,剛剛應該有蠻多委員有談到,大概不是重點嘛。\n我們既然要幫義消爭取權力我當然希望他跟一般的消防基層弟兄一樣也有一部分健康檢查補助的這樣子一個機制那你都可以准用25條之2或25條之4你為什麼不能准用25條之6呢你如果讓他准用是不是基層的義消當然你講有經費分配有些壓力這本身都了解的但我們總要往前進吧義消在協助救災付出的這個程度其實有些時候不亞於真正的基層人員嘛\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n雖然今天沒有辦法進到主條,但是我不管是第一會期尾巴或第二會期開始,我們趕快讓這個法完善的情況下來通過,好嗎?好,請繼續努力,謝謝。好,謝謝,謝謝牛先天。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.063 --> 00:11.552\n好謝謝主席內政部長消防署署長有請好內政部長消防署署長\n\n00:16.605 --> 00:40.130\n好,這個部長署長齁,這個你不要怪說在野黨沒有簽署所謂的不附一同一書齁,讓這個法條今天還是只能停在答詢的部分。實在是因為大家對於如何保障不管是消防基層弟兄,或者是說針對消防法的內容齁,其實我們認為有若干可以在更精進之處嘛,所以我們當然要提出版本。這我覺得有時候互相互相啦,像當初這個海保法對不對,我們就等政院提出版本。\n\n00:41.110 --> 00:42.011\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n00:55.148 --> 01:08.735\n第一個我相信這次修法核心的目的是完善消防人員的這個保障,職業安全的保障,以及提升救災效率以及等等。那我就要先講第一個問題,這個有關於倉儲的問題。工廠管理輔導法21條1項規定工廠製造加工或使用危險物品達管制量者應該要申報。\n\n01:15.538 --> 01:40.563\n那這次的修法行政院院版的消防法的21條之一剛好都是21條講說工廠化學物品的倉庫及出生倉儲管理人平時應備置化學物品總量、數量、位置平面圖以及搶救資訊於火災發生時應立即提供消防指揮人員第二火災發生時要指派專人協助救災從這兩個法條其實可以看出差別這個純有化學品的工廠\n\n01:41.403 --> 01:54.129\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n02:09.577 --> 02:35.482\n如果平常只是配置,就是你講的就是準備好相關的配置圖,然後發生災難的時候才提供,來得及嗎?請回答。是,感謝委員。我們在這次修法也把資訊犬的部分拉進來,就是專業的人他要現場提供就在院資訊的一個場域。我現在跟你講嘛,實務上來講,你準備好,萬一都放在這個場區裡咧?進不去拿不到怎麼辦?\n\n02:38.513 --> 02:51.672\n深報跟被制的最大差異就是深報提早交到政府機關的手上出事的時候你第一時間你政府就直接拿是不是你就掌握資訊可是你如果只是準備然後發聲的時候提供萬一他拿不出來怎麼辦\n\n02:52.776 --> 03:17.035\n感謝委員,這個部分院裡面有特別交代,就針對倉儲的部分怎麼來處理,這個已經有一個案子在執行當中。那另外跟委員報告就是說,今年我們最近這幾天會把倉儲自動消血設備的...你不要跟我扯別的,你就談條文就好。就是你這個倉儲有化學品的,你只要備次你不用申報,會不會造成漏洞?有沒有可能造成漏洞?\n\n03:18.485 --> 03:21.428\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n\n03:35.049 --> 03:38.190\n第二、存放一般用品的倉庫,不是說只有化學品才要管理吧?\n\n03:55.495 --> 03:58.018\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n04:14.075 --> 04:20.478\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具:「消防法部分條文修正草案。\n\n04:36.164 --> 04:49.619\n那這些易燃物品的時候燃燒起來的代價這社會要承擔的代價不見得亞於這個化學品的倉庫化學品倉庫的危險在於救災危險我完全同意要重研納管我也完全同意所以我剛剛才講應該要申報對不對但是這物流倉儲的危險在於燃燒的面積還有燃燒的時間跟程度\n\n04:58.087 --> 05:24.457\n這個不只是只有消防的問題,它也有公害的問題啊。這本席會這麼關心這個題目,就是每幅倉儲大火啊。那一把火可以燒三個禮拜啊。對不對,那是多大的浩劫,對不對。那請問部長,請問署長喔。這個化學品的倉庫跟一般物品的倉庫,哪一個比較危險?應該都很危險吧。對不對。既然都危險,那一般的倉儲要不要納管?要不要列管?在消防法的修正裡面。你是不是要有一些專門的條文,把它也納入列管的範圍?好,跟我們報告齁。\n\n05:26.994 --> 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