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00:02:46,132\n這個就是部長之前也有提到就是說我們盡量能讓行政負擔減輕我們之前有問到休假什麼等等之類的那這一次我們可以看到外媒的報導就是說這個無劇本不作秀的一個方式獲得基層的一個肯定那也是增強國人的信心我覺得國際上反而都是對這個是好評那所以我覺得更進一步我們想要去看的事情是說就是接下來\n\n8\n00:02:47,092 --> 00:03:02,264\n除了最後一個我寫的這邊國際支持之外因為我們會有更多的跨部會整合的狀況以及一些hybridwarfare就是這種新型的這種敵情威脅的映出所以等一下想要就教於部長就是針對這一些方面我們接下來的規劃是什麼那我\n\n9\n00:03:03,365 --> 00:03:31,360\n第一個部分就是在新型的這個敵情威脅太陽我這邊想要講的是因為剛好這一次呢就是中國在國台辦還有在國安部、公安部的這個記者會的時候規定了一個台獨份子的一個規定那這個看起來本來是跟外交部有關因為譬如說海外假設你今天被認定台獨份子啊會不會被引渡啊等等之類的但因為國防部接下來可能也要面對就好像菲律賓遇到的這種法律戰的狀況\n\n10\n00:03:32,541 --> 00:03:57,008\n所以在接下來的這一個過程當中我們接下來對國人法律相關的說明這一個方面國防部有沒有可能來做想問一下部長國防部應該是如果就因為國防部畢竟是在軍事面向上面要做好這個相關的論述那所以國防部在就這個\n\n11\n00:04:00,216 --> 00:04:19,130\n他洗澡的這一個部分呢,我們要做好這一個相關的一個應處。那面對他洗澡所要達成的這個,比如說將台海的內水化,然後或者台灣問題內政化這樣的一個目標,我們會協同各部會,然後\n\n12\n00:04:21,371 --> 00:04:42,998\n甚至應該是到國安層級來進行跨部會對國際也好、對內也好做一個參與跨部會來做好溝通。對,因為我覺得可以很明確地感受到他們今年整體的目標都是用法律的方式。這個說明其實有些跟國安有關,有些跟國防有關,有些又跟外交有關。\n\n13\n00:04:45,079 --> 00:05:11,096\n關於這一個跨部會的整合我當然還有一個細節想要問但最右邊這一個方式是因為我們也時常遇到一個狀況就是因為畢竟我們現在有越來越多的這些士兵或者我們的一些指揮官到美國做訓練那從美國做訓練回來以後其實會帶回來很多的經驗但是我們也發現一個狀況就是說這些人很容易可能都被叫回去常常是做翻譯的工作因為他們英文太好了因為他們在那邊已經有太多的溝通\n\n14\n00:05:11,696 --> 00:05:27,387\n所以我覺得這一件事情當然我覺得因為他們畢竟有那麼多的經驗不應該只是英文那台灣其實英文好的人也所在多有那另外有一個情形呢我就覺得也是可能可以跟中研院等等討論看看就是不聯網的這些翻譯的系統\n\n15\n00:05:28,207 --> 00:05:57,062\n雖然之前在中委院開發的系統是有被批評但是不聯網的翻譯的系統直接翻譯的系統取代人為的這一個可能可以考慮看看那這樣不但可以減輕這些人還要不斷的去當翻譯的這個能量或許也可以讓他們回歸他們從美國帶回來的經驗所以這邊就是給部長一個小小的建議我跟委員報告我們現在越來越重視這些流外的這些人回來\n\n16\n00:05:57,902 --> 00:06:16,599\n那跟委員報告因為就我的理解就是說他們都要經歷一定的我們叫經管就是說他要去歷練所以我現在很重視就是說他們不要因為他們去外面學習回來之後他們經管的這個部分會欠缺\n\n17\n00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:18,019\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n18\n00:06:37,728 --> 00:06:52,332\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、\n\n19\n00:07:03,795 --> 00:07:12,199\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員\n\n20\n00:07:22,423 --> 00:07:42,931\n推動全民國防教育、增進全民防衛意識、凝蓄民心士氣、塑造有力的戰略環境最後一句話叫做獲取的訊息主導的地位我覺得訊息主導地位這一點當然聽起來是比較模糊但是或許在蠻多狀況我會認為真的有時候有必要會有一些主導的地位\n\n21\n00:07:43,431 --> 00:08:04,970\n我下面用一個很簡單的例子,這個例子跟中國沒有關係,它完全就只是一個單純的投書而已。但這個投書裡面記者報導就講說中國要把戰機改成無人機,會消耗我們的愛國者飛彈等等之類的。當然其實間期要去把它做改造,然後它還需要跑道等等之類的,它其實有很多難以達成的事情。\n\n22\n00:08:05,751 --> 00:08:32,760\n但是像這種新聞一出來以後我們要怎麼避免這種又再被去擷取去做一些文章然後反而造成國人的恐慌說哇那接下來會不會無人機壓境呢我們的愛國者飛彈怎麼辦呢它顯然就是一個會對我們國防信心會動搖的一則報導那這個報導可能就只是一個專家的一個評論那這個評論我們以國防部來講在訊息主導地位的時候有沒有什麼比較好的方式可以跟國人說明就是\n\n23\n00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:42,885\n那這件事我們應該要怎麼去跟公眾做溝通?跟委員報告,這個不禁又讓我想起,我就從國安會過來。\n\n24\n00:08:44,918 --> 00:09:14,313\n我們現在確實要配合政治、經濟、外交跟相關的這些手段來塑造有利的一個戰略環境,獲取一個訊息主導的一個地位。這個工作應該是跨部會,事實上是在國安層級裡面來處理這個部分。我大概現在是在國防部,但是有機會私下再跟委員做一個充分的說明。\n\n25\n00:09:14,673 --> 00:09:39,283\n沒有問題,因為有時候就是會遇到這樣的一個狀況,比如說群組裡面開始有人截圖啊,在說這個無人機要壓境啊,那反而有時候像這種新聞一出來以後,常常第一個被訪問的反而是像我,然後就是被記者訪問,那我就反而要稍微講一下就是說無人機改造的這個過程可能是什麼,它可能還需要更多的成本,所以有可能有不可行的地方等等之類的,但感覺好像我們好像不太像是闢謠單位,雖然記者會問我們啦,\n\n26\n00:09:41,345 --> 00:09:54,523\n所以我們要配合進行這個反制任職專案,特別是在軍事消息的這一面,有一些真為混雜,有一些是假的,那要如何我們政政局都要負責來協同來做。\n\n27\n00:09:57,026 --> 00:10:13,093\n對因為接下來像會有因為有時候他只是台灣的專家可能受訪啊這個有時候算小事因為只要澄清一下或者說討論一下我覺得都是健康的討論但怕就是怕說比如說境外勢力他去見縫查證他把裡面的話做曲解然後再做成圖卡然後在爛群組大量散播\n\n28\n00:10:13,453 --> 00:10:16,315\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n29\n00:10:33,805 --> 00:10:36,026\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n30\n00:10:54,319 --> 00:11:11,512\n那壺狀儀容不整等等,或者是臨時出現一些不預期的狀況,這些我們也都要讓國能夠理解,這才是真實的。那過多的表演性質,好像照劇本的,然後大家就這樣子演一遍,然後這樣好像就\n\n31\n00:11:12,933 --> 00:11:40,202\n就顯得是無事但其實是沒有真正達到實戰化訓練但是達到實戰化訓練就會有一些風險就risk那我們把這些又要做一些降風險的一些工作所以這個事實上這個中間要取得一個平衡但總之實戰化訓練是一個核心的目標沒錯謝謝部長希望這個國軍然後越來越好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝總長謝謝主席好我們現在休息五分鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2594\t7998\t那謝謝有請這個顧部長跟梅總長謝謝有請部長還有總長好部長好那我先問總長那這個是這個我還是認為總長不應該在這裡但是呢我覺得既然今天總長來了那我就問一些因為我知道有些事情不適合在這個國會的殿堂那因為我有看到這一次這一個演習的時候呢\n32394\t57922\t總長自己有提到就是說因為我覺得這個並不是細節而是一個管理的方式那管理的方式我覺得是蠻重要的那有特別提到由上對下的一個這個溝通的觀念就是直接說目的是什麼然後漸漸取代由下至上逐級提報修正的一個陋習然後說這樣是可以去減輕部隊的一個負擔跟行政的作業那不知道總長是不是能夠在這邊跟國人說明一下這整個的精神\n59296\t76871\t公務委員報告其實我們委員應該也了解所謂的一個任務室指揮的概念其實任務室指揮非常重要的第一件事情就是能夠把你的意圖還有你的這個希望你的部署達到的以及他對於\n77992\t102118\t我執行完這件工作之後應該要達到的一個預期的一個成果要能夠清楚的轉達讓你的部署知道然後藉由他們完成所謂方法跟手段我覺得這個是一個我們現階段在推動這一個工作非常重要的所以我覺得我也必須成為我是一個總長我必須要讓我的部署\n102598\t122761\t為什麼我們會有所謂的高階幹部的任務式的做途上兵推其實就是把這些的作戰的這些的方法去做一個非常深入的探討讓下級的指揮官已經了解我們的意圖以這樣子推動事情會比較快速\n124203\t140080\t謝謝總長因為我覺得這個部長上任之後呢也是很著重在於溝通的成本不要一直提高所以能夠直接的讓我們的一個規劃讓指揮官知道讓這一個士兵知道那這樣其實是更直接的一個方式那很感謝這個總長的說明那總長請回接下來我都是要問部長相關的問題\n142582\t166132\t這個就是部長之前也有提到就是說我們盡量能讓行政負擔減輕我們之前有問到休假什麼等等之類的那這一次我們可以看到外媒的報導就是說這個無劇本不作秀的一個方式獲得基層的一個肯定那也是增強國人的信心我覺得國際上反而都是對這個是好評那所以我覺得更進一步我們想要去看的事情是說就是接下來\n167092\t182264\t除了最後一個我寫的這邊國際支持之外因為我們會有更多的跨部會整合的狀況以及一些hybrid warfare就是這種新型的這種敵情威脅的映出所以等一下想要就教於部長就是針對這一些方面我們接下來的規劃是什麼那我\n183365\t211360\t第一個部分就是在新型的這個敵情威脅太陽我這邊想要講的是因為剛好這一次呢就是中國在國台辦還有在國安部、公安部的這個記者會的時候規定了一個台獨份子的一個規定那這個看起來本來是跟外交部有關因為譬如說海外假設你今天被認定台獨份子啊會不會被引渡啊等等之類的但因為國防部接下來可能也要面對就好像菲律賓遇到的這種法律戰的狀況\n212541\t237008\t所以在接下來的這一個過程當中我們接下來對國人法律相關的說明這一個方面國防部有沒有可能來做想問一下部長國防部應該是如果就因為國防部畢竟是在軍事面向上面要做好這個相關的論述那所以國防部在就這個\n240216\t259130\t他洗澡的這一個部分呢,我們要做好這一個相關的一個應處。那面對他洗澡所要達成的這個,比如說將台海的內水化,然後或者台灣問題內政化這樣的一個目標,我們會協同各部會,然後\n261371\t282998\t甚至應該是到國安層級來進行跨部會對國際也好、對內也好做一個參與跨部會來做好溝通。對,因為我覺得可以很明確地感受到他們今年整體的目標都是用法律的方式。這個說明其實有些跟國安有關,有些跟國防有關,有些又跟外交有關。\n285079\t311096\t關於這一個跨部會的整合我當然還有一個細節想要問但最右邊這一個方式是因為我們也時常遇到一個狀況就是因為畢竟我們現在有越來越多的這些士兵或者我們的一些指揮官到美國做訓練那從美國做訓練回來以後其實會帶回來很多的經驗但是我們也發現一個狀況就是說這些人很容易可能都被叫回去常常是做翻譯的工作因為他們英文太好了因為他們在那邊已經有太多的溝通\n311696\t327387\t所以我覺得這一件事情當然我覺得因為他們畢竟有那麼多的經驗不應該只是英文那台灣其實英文好的人也所在多有那另外有一個情形呢我就覺得也是可能可以跟中研院等等討論看看就是不聯網的這些翻譯的系統\n328207\t357062\t雖然之前在中委院開發的系統是有被批評但是不聯網的翻譯的系統直接翻譯的系統取代人為的這一個可能可以考慮看看那這樣不但可以減輕這些人還要不斷的去當翻譯的這個能量或許也可以讓他們回歸他們從美國帶回來的經驗所以這邊就是給部長一個小小的建議我跟委員報告我們現在越來越重視這些流外的這些人回來\n357902\t376599\t那跟委員報告因為就我的理解就是說他們都要經歷一定的我們叫經管就是說他要去歷練所以我現在很重視就是說他們不要因為他們去外面學習回來之後他們經管的這個部分會欠缺\n377279\t378019\t三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n397728\t412332\t三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、\n423795\t432199\t三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員\n442423\t462931\t推動全民國防教育、增進全民防衛意識、凝蓄民心士氣、塑造有力的戰略環境最後一句話叫做獲取的訊息主導的地位我覺得訊息主導地位這一點當然聽起來是比較模糊但是或許在蠻多狀況我會認為真的有時候有必要會有一些主導的地位\n463431\t484970\t我下面用一個很簡單的例子,這個例子跟中國沒有關係,它完全就只是一個單純的投書而已。但這個投書裡面記者報導就講說中國要把戰機改成無人機,會消耗我們的愛國者飛彈等等之類的。當然其實間期要去把它做改造,然後它還需要跑道等等之類的,它其實有很多難以達成的事情。\n485751\t512760\t但是像這種新聞一出來以後我們要怎麼避免這種又再被去擷取去做一些文章然後反而造成國人的恐慌說哇那接下來會不會無人機壓境呢我們的愛國者飛彈怎麼辦呢它顯然就是一個會對我們國防信心會動搖的一則報導那這個報導可能就只是一個專家的一個評論那這個評論我們以國防部來講在訊息主導地位的時候有沒有什麼比較好的方式可以跟國人說明就是\n513280\t522885\t那這件事我們應該要怎麼去跟公眾做溝通?跟委員報告,這個不禁又讓我想起,我就從國安會過來。\n524918\t554313\t我們現在確實要配合政治、經濟、外交跟相關的這些手段來塑造有利的一個戰略環境,獲取一個訊息主導的一個地位。這個工作應該是跨部會,事實上是在國安層級裡面來處理這個部分。我大概現在是在國防部,但是有機會私下再跟委員做一個充分的說明。\n554673\t579283\t沒有問題,因為有時候就是會遇到這樣的一個狀況,比如說群組裡面開始有人截圖啊,在說這個無人機要壓境啊,那反而有時候像這種新聞一出來以後,常常第一個被訪問的反而是像我,然後就是被記者訪問,那我就反而要稍微講一下就是說無人機改造的這個過程可能是什麼,它可能還需要更多的成本,所以有可能有不可行的地方等等之類的,但感覺好像我們好像不太像是闢謠單位,雖然記者會問我們啦,\n581345\t594523\t所以我們要配合進行這個反制任職專案,特別是在軍事消息的這一面,有一些真為混雜,有一些是假的,那要如何我們政政局都要負責來協同來做。\n597026\t613093\t對因為接下來像會有因為有時候他只是台灣的專家可能受訪啊這個有時候算小事因為只要澄清一下或者說討論一下我覺得都是健康的討論但怕就是怕說比如說境外勢力他去見縫查證他把裡面的話做曲解然後再做成圖卡然後在爛群組大量散播\n613453\t616315\t三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n633805\t636026\t三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n654319\t671512\t那壺狀儀容不整等等,或者是臨時出現一些不預期的狀況,這些我們也都要讓國能夠理解,這才是真實的。那過多的表演性質,好像照劇本的,然後大家就這樣子演一遍,然後這樣好像就\n672933\t700202\t就顯得是無事但其實是沒有真正達到實戰化訓練但是達到實戰化訓練就會有一些風險就risk那我們把這些又要做一些降風險的一些工作所以這個事實上這個中間要取得一個平衡但總之實戰化訓練是一個核心的目標沒錯謝謝部長希望這個國軍然後越來越好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝總長謝謝主席好我們現在休息五分鐘\n","txt":"那謝謝有請這個顧部長跟梅總長謝謝有請部長還有總長好部長好那我先問總長那這個是這個我還是認為總長不應該在這裡但是呢我覺得既然今天總長來了那我就問一些因為我知道有些事情不適合在這個國會的殿堂那因為我有看到這一次這一個演習的時候呢\n總長自己有提到就是說因為我覺得這個並不是細節而是一個管理的方式那管理的方式我覺得是蠻重要的那有特別提到由上對下的一個這個溝通的觀念就是直接說目的是什麼然後漸漸取代由下至上逐級提報修正的一個陋習然後說這樣是可以去減輕部隊的一個負擔跟行政的作業那不知道總長是不是能夠在這邊跟國人說明一下這整個的精神\n公務委員報告其實我們委員應該也了解所謂的一個任務室指揮的概念其實任務室指揮非常重要的第一件事情就是能夠把你的意圖還有你的這個希望你的部署達到的以及他對於\n我執行完這件工作之後應該要達到的一個預期的一個成果要能夠清楚的轉達讓你的部署知道然後藉由他們完成所謂方法跟手段我覺得這個是一個我們現階段在推動這一個工作非常重要的所以我覺得我也必須成為我是一個總長我必須要讓我的部署\n為什麼我們會有所謂的高階幹部的任務式的做途上兵推其實就是把這些的作戰的這些的方法去做一個非常深入的探討讓下級的指揮官已經了解我們的意圖以這樣子推動事情會比較快速\n謝謝總長因為我覺得這個部長上任之後呢也是很著重在於溝通的成本不要一直提高所以能夠直接的讓我們的一個規劃讓指揮官知道讓這一個士兵知道那這樣其實是更直接的一個方式那很感謝這個總長的說明那總長請回接下來我都是要問部長相關的問題\n這個就是部長之前也有提到就是說我們盡量能讓行政負擔減輕我們之前有問到休假什麼等等之類的那這一次我們可以看到外媒的報導就是說這個無劇本不作秀的一個方式獲得基層的一個肯定那也是增強國人的信心我覺得國際上反而都是對這個是好評那所以我覺得更進一步我們想要去看的事情是說就是接下來\n除了最後一個我寫的這邊國際支持之外因為我們會有更多的跨部會整合的狀況以及一些hybrid warfare就是這種新型的這種敵情威脅的映出所以等一下想要就教於部長就是針對這一些方面我們接下來的規劃是什麼那我\n第一個部分就是在新型的這個敵情威脅太陽我這邊想要講的是因為剛好這一次呢就是中國在國台辦還有在國安部、公安部的這個記者會的時候規定了一個台獨份子的一個規定那這個看起來本來是跟外交部有關因為譬如說海外假設你今天被認定台獨份子啊會不會被引渡啊等等之類的但因為國防部接下來可能也要面對就好像菲律賓遇到的這種法律戰的狀況\n所以在接下來的這一個過程當中我們接下來對國人法律相關的說明這一個方面國防部有沒有可能來做想問一下部長國防部應該是如果就因為國防部畢竟是在軍事面向上面要做好這個相關的論述那所以國防部在就這個\n他洗澡的這一個部分呢,我們要做好這一個相關的一個應處。那面對他洗澡所要達成的這個,比如說將台海的內水化,然後或者台灣問題內政化這樣的一個目標,我們會協同各部會,然後\n甚至應該是到國安層級來進行跨部會對國際也好、對內也好做一個參與跨部會來做好溝通。對,因為我覺得可以很明確地感受到他們今年整體的目標都是用法律的方式。這個說明其實有些跟國安有關,有些跟國防有關,有些又跟外交有關。\n關於這一個跨部會的整合我當然還有一個細節想要問但最右邊這一個方式是因為我們也時常遇到一個狀況就是因為畢竟我們現在有越來越多的這些士兵或者我們的一些指揮官到美國做訓練那從美國做訓練回來以後其實會帶回來很多的經驗但是我們也發現一個狀況就是說這些人很容易可能都被叫回去常常是做翻譯的工作因為他們英文太好了因為他們在那邊已經有太多的溝通\n所以我覺得這一件事情當然我覺得因為他們畢竟有那麼多的經驗不應該只是英文那台灣其實英文好的人也所在多有那另外有一個情形呢我就覺得也是可能可以跟中研院等等討論看看就是不聯網的這些翻譯的系統\n雖然之前在中委院開發的系統是有被批評但是不聯網的翻譯的系統直接翻譯的系統取代人為的這一個可能可以考慮看看那這樣不但可以減輕這些人還要不斷的去當翻譯的這個能量或許也可以讓他們回歸他們從美國帶回來的經驗所以這邊就是給部長一個小小的建議我跟委員報告我們現在越來越重視這些流外的這些人回來\n那跟委員報告因為就我的理解就是說他們都要經歷一定的我們叫經管就是說他要去歷練所以我現在很重視就是說他們不要因為他們去外面學習回來之後他們經管的這個部分會欠缺\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員\n推動全民國防教育、增進全民防衛意識、凝蓄民心士氣、塑造有力的戰略環境最後一句話叫做獲取的訊息主導的地位我覺得訊息主導地位這一點當然聽起來是比較模糊但是或許在蠻多狀況我會認為真的有時候有必要會有一些主導的地位\n我下面用一個很簡單的例子,這個例子跟中國沒有關係,它完全就只是一個單純的投書而已。但這個投書裡面記者報導就講說中國要把戰機改成無人機,會消耗我們的愛國者飛彈等等之類的。當然其實間期要去把它做改造,然後它還需要跑道等等之類的,它其實有很多難以達成的事情。\n但是像這種新聞一出來以後我們要怎麼避免這種又再被去擷取去做一些文章然後反而造成國人的恐慌說哇那接下來會不會無人機壓境呢我們的愛國者飛彈怎麼辦呢它顯然就是一個會對我們國防信心會動搖的一則報導那這個報導可能就只是一個專家的一個評論那這個評論我們以國防部來講在訊息主導地位的時候有沒有什麼比較好的方式可以跟國人說明就是\n那這件事我們應該要怎麼去跟公眾做溝通?跟委員報告,這個不禁又讓我想起,我就從國安會過來。\n我們現在確實要配合政治、經濟、外交跟相關的這些手段來塑造有利的一個戰略環境,獲取一個訊息主導的一個地位。這個工作應該是跨部會,事實上是在國安層級裡面來處理這個部分。我大概現在是在國防部,但是有機會私下再跟委員做一個充分的說明。\n沒有問題,因為有時候就是會遇到這樣的一個狀況,比如說群組裡面開始有人截圖啊,在說這個無人機要壓境啊,那反而有時候像這種新聞一出來以後,常常第一個被訪問的反而是像我,然後就是被記者訪問,那我就反而要稍微講一下就是說無人機改造的這個過程可能是什麼,它可能還需要更多的成本,所以有可能有不可行的地方等等之類的,但感覺好像我們好像不太像是闢謠單位,雖然記者會問我們啦,\n所以我們要配合進行這個反制任職專案,特別是在軍事消息的這一面,有一些真為混雜,有一些是假的,那要如何我們政政局都要負責來協同來做。\n對因為接下來像會有因為有時候他只是台灣的專家可能受訪啊這個有時候算小事因為只要澄清一下或者說討論一下我覺得都是健康的討論但怕就是怕說比如說境外勢力他去見縫查證他把裡面的話做曲解然後再做成圖卡然後在爛群組大量散播\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n那壺狀儀容不整等等,或者是臨時出現一些不預期的狀況,這些我們也都要讓國能夠理解,這才是真實的。那過多的表演性質,好像照劇本的,然後大家就這樣子演一遍,然後這樣好像就\n就顯得是無事但其實是沒有真正達到實戰化訓練但是達到實戰化訓練就會有一些風險就risk那我們把這些又要做一些降風險的一些工作所以這個事實上這個中間要取得一個平衡但總之實戰化訓練是一個核心的目標沒錯謝謝部長希望這個國軍然後越來越好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝總長謝謝主席好我們現在休息五分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.594 --> 00:07.998\n那謝謝有請這個顧部長跟梅總長謝謝有請部長還有總長好部長好那我先問總長那這個是這個我還是認為總長不應該在這裡但是呢我覺得既然今天總長來了那我就問一些因為我知道有些事情不適合在這個國會的殿堂那因為我有看到這一次這一個演習的時候呢\n\n00:32.394 --> 00:57.922\n總長自己有提到就是說因為我覺得這個並不是細節而是一個管理的方式那管理的方式我覺得是蠻重要的那有特別提到由上對下的一個這個溝通的觀念就是直接說目的是什麼然後漸漸取代由下至上逐級提報修正的一個陋習然後說這樣是可以去減輕部隊的一個負擔跟行政的作業那不知道總長是不是能夠在這邊跟國人說明一下這整個的精神\n\n00:59.296 --> 01:16.871\n公務委員報告其實我們委員應該也了解所謂的一個任務室指揮的概念其實任務室指揮非常重要的第一件事情就是能夠把你的意圖還有你的這個希望你的部署達到的以及他對於\n\n01:17.992 --> 01:42.118\n我執行完這件工作之後應該要達到的一個預期的一個成果要能夠清楚的轉達讓你的部署知道然後藉由他們完成所謂方法跟手段我覺得這個是一個我們現階段在推動這一個工作非常重要的所以我覺得我也必須成為我是一個總長我必須要讓我的部署\n\n01:42.598 --> 02:02.761\n為什麼我們會有所謂的高階幹部的任務式的做途上兵推其實就是把這些的作戰的這些的方法去做一個非常深入的探討讓下級的指揮官已經了解我們的意圖以這樣子推動事情會比較快速\n\n02:04.203 --> 02:20.080\n謝謝總長因為我覺得這個部長上任之後呢也是很著重在於溝通的成本不要一直提高所以能夠直接的讓我們的一個規劃讓指揮官知道讓這一個士兵知道那這樣其實是更直接的一個方式那很感謝這個總長的說明那總長請回接下來我都是要問部長相關的問題\n\n02:22.582 --> 02:46.132\n這個就是部長之前也有提到就是說我們盡量能讓行政負擔減輕我們之前有問到休假什麼等等之類的那這一次我們可以看到外媒的報導就是說這個無劇本不作秀的一個方式獲得基層的一個肯定那也是增強國人的信心我覺得國際上反而都是對這個是好評那所以我覺得更進一步我們想要去看的事情是說就是接下來\n\n02:47.092 --> 03:02.264\n除了最後一個我寫的這邊國際支持之外因為我們會有更多的跨部會整合的狀況以及一些hybridwarfare就是這種新型的這種敵情威脅的映出所以等一下想要就教於部長就是針對這一些方面我們接下來的規劃是什麼那我\n\n03:03.365 --> 03:31.360\n第一個部分就是在新型的這個敵情威脅太陽我這邊想要講的是因為剛好這一次呢就是中國在國台辦還有在國安部、公安部的這個記者會的時候規定了一個台獨份子的一個規定那這個看起來本來是跟外交部有關因為譬如說海外假設你今天被認定台獨份子啊會不會被引渡啊等等之類的但因為國防部接下來可能也要面對就好像菲律賓遇到的這種法律戰的狀況\n\n03:32.541 --> 03:57.008\n所以在接下來的這一個過程當中我們接下來對國人法律相關的說明這一個方面國防部有沒有可能來做想問一下部長國防部應該是如果就因為國防部畢竟是在軍事面向上面要做好這個相關的論述那所以國防部在就這個\n\n04:00.216 --> 04:19.130\n他洗澡的這一個部分呢,我們要做好這一個相關的一個應處。那面對他洗澡所要達成的這個,比如說將台海的內水化,然後或者台灣問題內政化這樣的一個目標,我們會協同各部會,然後\n\n04:21.371 --> 04:42.998\n甚至應該是到國安層級來進行跨部會對國際也好、對內也好做一個參與跨部會來做好溝通。對,因為我覺得可以很明確地感受到他們今年整體的目標都是用法律的方式。這個說明其實有些跟國安有關,有些跟國防有關,有些又跟外交有關。\n\n04:45.079 --> 05:11.096\n關於這一個跨部會的整合我當然還有一個細節想要問但最右邊這一個方式是因為我們也時常遇到一個狀況就是因為畢竟我們現在有越來越多的這些士兵或者我們的一些指揮官到美國做訓練那從美國做訓練回來以後其實會帶回來很多的經驗但是我們也發現一個狀況就是說這些人很容易可能都被叫回去常常是做翻譯的工作因為他們英文太好了因為他們在那邊已經有太多的溝通\n\n05:11.696 --> 05:27.387\n所以我覺得這一件事情當然我覺得因為他們畢竟有那麼多的經驗不應該只是英文那台灣其實英文好的人也所在多有那另外有一個情形呢我就覺得也是可能可以跟中研院等等討論看看就是不聯網的這些翻譯的系統\n\n05:28.207 --> 05:57.062\n雖然之前在中委院開發的系統是有被批評但是不聯網的翻譯的系統直接翻譯的系統取代人為的這一個可能可以考慮看看那這樣不但可以減輕這些人還要不斷的去當翻譯的這個能量或許也可以讓他們回歸他們從美國帶回來的經驗所以這邊就是給部長一個小小的建議我跟委員報告我們現在越來越重視這些流外的這些人回來\n\n05:57.902 --> 06:16.599\n那跟委員報告因為就我的理解就是說他們都要經歷一定的我們叫經管就是說他要去歷練所以我現在很重視就是說他們不要因為他們去外面學習回來之後他們經管的這個部分會欠缺\n\n06:17.279 --> 06:18.019\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n06:37.728 --> 06:52.332\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、\n\n07:03.795 --> 07:12.199\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員\n\n07:22.423 --> 07:42.931\n推動全民國防教育、增進全民防衛意識、凝蓄民心士氣、塑造有力的戰略環境最後一句話叫做獲取的訊息主導的地位我覺得訊息主導地位這一點當然聽起來是比較模糊但是或許在蠻多狀況我會認為真的有時候有必要會有一些主導的地位\n\n07:43.431 --> 08:04.970\n我下面用一個很簡單的例子,這個例子跟中國沒有關係,它完全就只是一個單純的投書而已。但這個投書裡面記者報導就講說中國要把戰機改成無人機,會消耗我們的愛國者飛彈等等之類的。當然其實間期要去把它做改造,然後它還需要跑道等等之類的,它其實有很多難以達成的事情。\n\n08:05.751 --> 08:32.760\n但是像這種新聞一出來以後我們要怎麼避免這種又再被去擷取去做一些文章然後反而造成國人的恐慌說哇那接下來會不會無人機壓境呢我們的愛國者飛彈怎麼辦呢它顯然就是一個會對我們國防信心會動搖的一則報導那這個報導可能就只是一個專家的一個評論那這個評論我們以國防部來講在訊息主導地位的時候有沒有什麼比較好的方式可以跟國人說明就是\n\n08:33.280 --> 08:42.885\n那這件事我們應該要怎麼去跟公眾做溝通?跟委員報告,這個不禁又讓我想起,我就從國安會過來。\n\n08:44.918 --> 09:14.313\n我們現在確實要配合政治、經濟、外交跟相關的這些手段來塑造有利的一個戰略環境,獲取一個訊息主導的一個地位。這個工作應該是跨部會,事實上是在國安層級裡面來處理這個部分。我大概現在是在國防部,但是有機會私下再跟委員做一個充分的說明。\n\n09:14.673 --> 09:39.283\n沒有問題,因為有時候就是會遇到這樣的一個狀況,比如說群組裡面開始有人截圖啊,在說這個無人機要壓境啊,那反而有時候像這種新聞一出來以後,常常第一個被訪問的反而是像我,然後就是被記者訪問,那我就反而要稍微講一下就是說無人機改造的這個過程可能是什麼,它可能還需要更多的成本,所以有可能有不可行的地方等等之類的,但感覺好像我們好像不太像是闢謠單位,雖然記者會問我們啦,\n\n09:41.345 --> 09:54.523\n所以我們要配合進行這個反制任職專案,特別是在軍事消息的這一面,有一些真為混雜,有一些是假的,那要如何我們政政局都要負責來協同來做。\n\n09:57.026 --> 10:13.093\n對因為接下來像會有因為有時候他只是台灣的專家可能受訪啊這個有時候算小事因為只要澄清一下或者說討論一下我覺得都是健康的討論但怕就是怕說比如說境外勢力他去見縫查證他把裡面的話做曲解然後再做成圖卡然後在爛群組大量散播\n\n10:13.453 --> 10:16.315\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n10:33.805 --> 10:36.026\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n10:54.319 --> 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