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00:01:56,934\n我看了一下昨天的資料其實用電量是3629萬千瓦那預估會到最高到4070但是當天最高的會到4629萬千瓦這個數字是正確的嘛對不對對就我們網站上的資料還是9.20的資料是所以從這樣來看的時候其實如果以\n\n7\n00:02:01,878 --> 00:02:18,989\n例年最高大概是2022年7月22日4074萬千瓦的話其實我們的量還是多出了將近有600萬千瓦所以量其實是都有超前做一些準備的\n\n8\n00:02:19,649 --> 00:02:35,631\n報告委員這是日間風啦齁你現在提的這個日間風的部分我們現在都在掉落上完全都沒有問題好那有的會比較單一因為日間的時候其實太陽光電是相當強的齁我看幾乎占到第三的占比第三啦齁燃氣最高\n\n9\n00:02:36,152 --> 00:02:52,815\n然梅第二高太陽光電大概站到第三那等到太陽下山之後大家會擔憂這個部分的電力的狀況我們現在葉建豐的狀況基本上我們最少應該我們現在都有7%左右的那個被轉容量\n\n10\n00:02:53,375 --> 00:03:20,007\n備轉容量率在7以上所以7以上的話基本上還是穩健的因為其實夜間風的時間跟過去日間風時間會比較長很長的時間那夜間風時間會比較短所以我們基本上就是備轉其實是因應基礎風險的問題那時間比較短我們在預估的量上面我們準備量就會不必準備的那麼多不用準備那麼多當然就比較不會有太多的一些消耗\n\n11\n00:03:20,968 --> 00:03:39,885\n對,因為成本,那個倍轉容量是成本是,那我也看了一下齁,這個大概也預估啦齁在因為7月份大概都是有可能是用電的高峰啦齁,氣溫也比較高那但這幾天氣候相當的異常,溫度已經相當高所以我看已經有的站到了全台的歷年的這個用電量第三名了齁\n\n12\n00:03:40,325 --> 00:04:06,134\n當然下個月也有可能還會增加那我看你們的預估是會用到4,119萬千瓦這個大概就創下新高了那如果在這樣狀況下的話我們用電還是沒有問題嗎跟委員報告日間風的部分我覺得那個大家不用天天都追他有沒有破紀錄因為今年可能夏天那個破紀錄就是比原來那個4074高的機會都會非常的大對\n\n13\n00:04:06,914 --> 00:04:31,568\n好那個是這個沒有什麼這不是對我們來講不是那我要講的是電力上面的供應是沒有問題的嘛對不對是所以也請國人放心台電這一塊跟經濟部有做萬全的一些準備因為日尖峰會一直有會有新的紀錄出來這個在今年度一定是常態對特別是6月份已經開始有很多的開始在往上衝高那7月份有可能還會再是的好\n\n14\n00:04:33,028 --> 00:04:47,154\n所以大概到整個用電量看起來就是整個用電狀況是沒有問題的那我要講的是其實大家擔憂的未來的部分我也看了一下從今年的部分我們會除以大概是272萬千瓦但是我們會進來的會有新增的會有333萬千瓦\n\n15\n00:04:51,596 --> 00:05:20,857\n包括到2025年一樣這個新增的都比廚藝的多2026新增的比廚藝的多2027新增的2028新增比廚藝的一樣都多大概100萬千瓦左右所以政府在這一塊其實也預做了準備現在我們不斷的講半導體產業的投資或者是講AI這些投資當然用電有可能會增加包括這個回台的投資不斷的增加但是這一塊電力都是做了準備我覺得這一塊董事長要不要再說明更清楚一點\n\n16\n00:05:21,597 --> 00:05:46,949\n跟委員報告就是我們這一塊現在結出來的都是那個比較大型的基礎那目前還有再生能源還有等等一些基礎調度的一些做法那我想幾個事第一個事情是我們節電這個當然還是firstfill這就對減碳都有很大的幫助其他的部分就是我們在台電在新基礎的建設上面這一段時間確實是高峰\n\n17\n00:05:48,450 --> 00:06:05,263\n那也感謝各位委員的支持讓我們機組有更新的機會那我想說這個工作非常的重要我們要盡快的更新新的機組上來所以知道嗎不只今年沒有缺電問題在未來如果照這樣的規劃這還都是大型的機組嗎還有其他的在任人員都進來所以也沒有缺電的問題嗎\n\n18\n00:06:06,104 --> 00:06:33,937\n跟委員報告我們現在有三個電廠在蓋新的機組有兩個電廠環評通過在招標那有兩個電廠的計畫現在在做可行性評估那要報怨來核准所以同步進行所有的整個電力建設那也包含電網在內所以都超前部署了不管是這個電廠的部分包括電網的韌性的部分都做了一些部署了嗎\n\n19\n00:06:34,818 --> 00:06:42,610\n我們這個部分真的是因應電力的需要我們會提前來做更早的就是以台電過去的\n\n20\n00:06:43,834 --> 00:06:43,854\n政總長\n\n21\n00:07:14,462 --> 00:07:18,794\n說明一下為什麼坊間還這麼多的講缺電造成人心惶惶\n\n22\n00:07:20,851 --> 00:07:45,300\n跟委員報告就是說我想說這個部分我們會盡全力來說明那當然台電公司在供電穩定上面持續的努力來證明這件事可能是最重要的不過我們要穩定的供電也需要大家支持新的電力建設所以我們希望新的電力建設能夠得到支持\n\n23\n00:07:46,000 --> 00:08:05,017\n必然你要用電但是如果不蓋新電廠甚至連變電所都不蓋的時候那電力當然都會遇到問題如果沒有蓋新的變電所也沒有辦法拉電網其實很困難那尤其是報告委員我簡單說一下就是我們現在很多電箱人行道上的電箱過去都是因為纜線要地下化而產生的\n\n24\n00:08:07,139 --> 00:08:09,920\n我認為這個其實對於整個所有的辛苦的同仁都是不公平而且對台灣的整個投資環境對台灣整個民生都會受到一定的影響我想\n\n25\n00:08:36,826 --> 00:09:00,642\n配電系統的加強我們會努力早上我有跟召委請了一個半小時的假也是在做這一件工作我想我們會加強努力不過還是要跟委員報告一件事電力設施的興建一定會在我們生活周邊因為電一定要送到你家所以這些電力設施的興建希望能夠得到社會更多的支持\n\n26\n00:09:02,785 --> 00:09:18,284\n我們看一下今天早上這個數字北部的部分電力其實相對是比較需要由南部跟中部送上來的所以我還是希望台電還是要不斷去克服這個問題北部相對電力上是吃緊的\n\n27\n00:09:47,471 --> 00:10:09,870\n這個部分我們一定會來做說明我舉個例子就好了協和電廠除役以後北部的這個用電它將近有600萬千瓦但是未來它可能有470萬的一個電力的一個缺口這樣的缺口的部分可能就是如果北部不找到這些電力來源的話全台灣當然不缺電但是中南部必須送電上來\n\n28\n00:10:10,610 --> 00:10:37,722\n所以我認為這個事情還是要經濟部跟台電要審慎去思考電力用這樣的傳送其實不是一個好的方式除了耗損包括對於中南部也不見得是一個公平的方式我希望這一塊台電公司跟經濟部要審慎來做處理好不好最後再問一次啦董事長台灣有沒有缺電的問題我們會達成穩定供電的目標講得更清楚一點台灣有沒有缺電的問題就沒有缺電的問題我們會達成好謝謝加油好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n103\t5625\t臺灣有沒有缺點?\n20810\t44350\t報告委員讓臺灣不缺電就是臺電的責任所以沒有缺電的問題部長有提到他為了要讓外界更加的清楚說7月份又公開相關的電力資訊我看到其實已經相當多的資訊公開不管是電力資訊包括用電曲線圖包括這個備轉容量率包括發電量都有了\n45192\t49931\t部長 呃 呃 曾 董事長 那7月份還要再公布什麼樣的一個數據\n51121\t73781\t我講部長的意思是對下一個階段的預測就是對未來的預測所以7月份會公布8月份的預測數字那現在資料出來了嗎我們正在整理所以7月1號會如期的來上線來公布下一個月份的數字因為部長現在出訪我們希望能夠有機會回來跟他報告過把這事情確認下來\n79457\t82780\t7月份公布8月份的相關的用電的一些下個月所以等於電量的準備的狀況我的理解就是下個月的隔一個月後的\n97914\t116934\t我看了一下昨天的資料其實用電量是3629萬千瓦那預估會到最高到4070但是當天最高的會到4629萬千瓦這個數字是正確的嘛對不對對就我們網站上的資料還是9.20的資料是所以從這樣來看的時候其實如果以\n121878\t138989\t例年最高大概是2022年7月22日4074萬千瓦的話其實我們的量還是多出了將近有600萬千瓦所以量其實是都有超前做一些準備的\n139649\t155631\t報告委員這是日間風啦齁你現在提的這個日間風的部分我們現在都在掉落上完全都沒有問題好那有的會比較單一因為日間的時候其實太陽光電是相當強的齁我看幾乎占到第三的占比第三啦齁燃氣最高\n156152\t172815\t然梅第二高太陽光電大概站到第三那等到太陽下山之後大家會擔憂這個部分的電力的狀況我們現在葉建豐的狀況基本上我們最少應該我們現在都有7%左右的那個被轉容量\n173375\t200007\t備轉容量率在7以上所以7以上的話基本上還是穩健的因為其實夜間風的時間跟過去日間風時間會比較長很長的時間那夜間風時間會比較短所以我們基本上就是備轉其實是因應基礎風險的問題那時間比較短我們在預估的量上面我們準備量就會不必準備的那麼多不用準備那麼多當然就比較不會有太多的一些消耗\n200968\t219885\t對,因為成本,那個倍轉容量是成本是,那我也看了一下齁,這個大概也預估啦齁在因為7月份大概都是有可能是用電的高峰啦齁,氣溫也比較高那但這幾天氣候相當的異常,溫度已經相當高所以我看已經有的站到了全台的歷年的這個用電量第三名了齁\n220325\t246134\t當然下個月也有可能還會增加那我看你們的預估是會用到4,119萬千瓦這個大概就創下新高了那如果在這樣狀況下的話我們用電還是沒有問題嗎跟委員報告日間風的部分我覺得那個大家不用天天都追他有沒有破紀錄因為今年可能夏天那個破紀錄就是比原來那個4074高的機會都會非常的大對\n246914\t271568\t好那個是這個沒有什麼這不是對我們來講不是那我要講的是電力上面的供應是沒有問題的嘛對不對是所以也請國人放心台電這一塊跟經濟部有做萬全的一些準備因為日尖峰會一直有會有新的紀錄出來這個在今年度一定是常態對特別是6月份已經開始有很多的開始在往上衝高那7月份有可能還會再是的好\n273028\t287154\t所以大概到整個用電量看起來就是整個用電狀況是沒有問題的那我要講的是其實大家擔憂的未來的部分我也看了一下從今年的部分我們會除以大概是272萬千瓦但是我們會進來的會有新增的會有333萬千瓦\n291596\t320857\t包括到2025年一樣這個新增的都比廚藝的多2026新增的比廚藝的多2027新增的2028新增比廚藝的一樣都多大概100萬千瓦左右所以政府在這一塊其實也預做了準備現在我們不斷的講半導體產業的投資或者是講AI這些投資當然用電有可能會增加包括這個回台的投資不斷的增加但是這一塊電力都是做了準備我覺得這一塊董事長要不要再說明更清楚一點\n321597\t346949\t跟委員報告就是我們這一塊現在結出來的都是那個比較大型的基礎那目前還有再生能源還有等等一些基礎調度的一些做法那我想幾個事第一個事情是我們節電這個當然還是first fill這就對減碳都有很大的幫助其他的部分就是我們在台電在新基礎的建設上面這一段時間確實是高峰\n348450\t365263\t那也感謝各位委員的支持讓我們機組有更新的機會那我想說這個工作非常的重要我們要盡快的更新新的機組上來所以知道嗎不只今年沒有缺電問題在未來如果照這樣的規劃這還都是大型的機組嗎還有其他的在任人員都進來所以也沒有缺電的問題嗎\n366104\t393937\t跟委員報告我們現在有三個電廠在蓋新的機組有兩個電廠環評通過在招標那有兩個電廠的計畫現在在做可行性評估那要報怨來核准所以同步進行所有的整個電力建設那也包含電網在內所以都超前部署了不管是這個電廠的部分包括電網的韌性的部分都做了一些部署了嗎\n394818\t402610\t我們這個部分真的是因應電力的需要我們會提前來做更早的就是以台電過去的\n403834\t403854\t政總長\n434462\t438794\t說明一下為什麼坊間還這麼多的講缺電造成人心惶惶\n440851\t465300\t跟委員報告就是說我想說這個部分我們會盡全力來說明那當然台電公司在供電穩定上面持續的努力來證明這件事可能是最重要的不過我們要穩定的供電也需要大家支持新的電力建設所以我們希望新的電力建設能夠得到支持\n466000\t485017\t必然你要用電但是如果不蓋新電廠甚至連變電所都不蓋的時候那電力當然都會遇到問題如果沒有蓋新的變電所也沒有辦法拉電網其實很困難那尤其是報告委員我簡單說一下就是我們現在很多電箱人行道上的電箱過去都是因為纜線要地下化而產生的\n487139\t489920\t我認為這個其實對於整個所有的辛苦的同仁都是不公平而且對台灣的整個投資環境對台灣整個民生都會受到一定的影響我想\n516826\t540642\t配電系統的加強我們會努力早上我有跟召委請了一個半小時的假也是在做這一件工作我想我們會加強努力不過還是要跟委員報告一件事電力設施的興建一定會在我們生活周邊因為電一定要送到你家所以這些電力設施的興建希望能夠得到社會更多的支持\n542785\t558284\t我們看一下今天早上這個數字北部的部分電力其實相對是比較需要由南部跟中部送上來的所以我還是希望台電還是要不斷去克服這個問題北部相對電力上是吃緊的\n558865\t585998\t來﹗\n587471\t609870\t這個部分我們一定會來做說明我舉個例子就好了 協和電廠除役以後北部的這個用電它將近有600萬千瓦但是未來它可能有470萬的一個電力的一個缺口這樣的缺口的部分可能就是如果北部不找到這些電力來源的話全台灣當然不缺電但是中南部必須送電上來\n610610\t637722\t所以我認為這個事情還是要經濟部跟台電要審慎去思考電力用這樣的傳送其實不是一個好的方式除了耗損包括對於中南部也不見得是一個公平的方式我希望這一塊台電公司跟經濟部要審慎來做處理好不好最後再問一次啦董事長台灣有沒有缺電的問題我們會達成穩定供電的目標講得更清楚一點台灣有沒有缺電的問題就沒有缺電的問題我們會達成好謝謝加油好謝謝\n","txt":"臺灣有沒有缺點?\n報告委員讓臺灣不缺電就是臺電的責任所以沒有缺電的問題部長有提到他為了要讓外界更加的清楚說7月份又公開相關的電力資訊我看到其實已經相當多的資訊公開不管是電力資訊包括用電曲線圖包括這個備轉容量率包括發電量都有了\n部長 呃 呃 曾 董事長 那7月份還要再公布什麼樣的一個數據\n我講部長的意思是對下一個階段的預測就是對未來的預測所以7月份會公布8月份的預測數字那現在資料出來了嗎我們正在整理所以7月1號會如期的來上線來公布下一個月份的數字因為部長現在出訪我們希望能夠有機會回來跟他報告過把這事情確認下來\n7月份公布8月份的相關的用電的一些下個月所以等於電量的準備的狀況我的理解就是下個月的隔一個月後的\n我看了一下昨天的資料其實用電量是3629萬千瓦那預估會到最高到4070但是當天最高的會到4629萬千瓦這個數字是正確的嘛對不對對就我們網站上的資料還是9.20的資料是所以從這樣來看的時候其實如果以\n例年最高大概是2022年7月22日4074萬千瓦的話其實我們的量還是多出了將近有600萬千瓦所以量其實是都有超前做一些準備的\n報告委員這是日間風啦齁你現在提的這個日間風的部分我們現在都在掉落上完全都沒有問題好那有的會比較單一因為日間的時候其實太陽光電是相當強的齁我看幾乎占到第三的占比第三啦齁燃氣最高\n然梅第二高太陽光電大概站到第三那等到太陽下山之後大家會擔憂這個部分的電力的狀況我們現在葉建豐的狀況基本上我們最少應該我們現在都有7%左右的那個被轉容量\n備轉容量率在7以上所以7以上的話基本上還是穩健的因為其實夜間風的時間跟過去日間風時間會比較長很長的時間那夜間風時間會比較短所以我們基本上就是備轉其實是因應基礎風險的問題那時間比較短我們在預估的量上面我們準備量就會不必準備的那麼多不用準備那麼多當然就比較不會有太多的一些消耗\n對,因為成本,那個倍轉容量是成本是,那我也看了一下齁,這個大概也預估啦齁在因為7月份大概都是有可能是用電的高峰啦齁,氣溫也比較高那但這幾天氣候相當的異常,溫度已經相當高所以我看已經有的站到了全台的歷年的這個用電量第三名了齁\n當然下個月也有可能還會增加那我看你們的預估是會用到4,119萬千瓦這個大概就創下新高了那如果在這樣狀況下的話我們用電還是沒有問題嗎跟委員報告日間風的部分我覺得那個大家不用天天都追他有沒有破紀錄因為今年可能夏天那個破紀錄就是比原來那個4074高的機會都會非常的大對\n好那個是這個沒有什麼這不是對我們來講不是那我要講的是電力上面的供應是沒有問題的嘛對不對是所以也請國人放心台電這一塊跟經濟部有做萬全的一些準備因為日尖峰會一直有會有新的紀錄出來這個在今年度一定是常態對特別是6月份已經開始有很多的開始在往上衝高那7月份有可能還會再是的好\n所以大概到整個用電量看起來就是整個用電狀況是沒有問題的那我要講的是其實大家擔憂的未來的部分我也看了一下從今年的部分我們會除以大概是272萬千瓦但是我們會進來的會有新增的會有333萬千瓦\n包括到2025年一樣這個新增的都比廚藝的多2026新增的比廚藝的多2027新增的2028新增比廚藝的一樣都多大概100萬千瓦左右所以政府在這一塊其實也預做了準備現在我們不斷的講半導體產業的投資或者是講AI這些投資當然用電有可能會增加包括這個回台的投資不斷的增加但是這一塊電力都是做了準備我覺得這一塊董事長要不要再說明更清楚一點\n跟委員報告就是我們這一塊現在結出來的都是那個比較大型的基礎那目前還有再生能源還有等等一些基礎調度的一些做法那我想幾個事第一個事情是我們節電這個當然還是first fill這就對減碳都有很大的幫助其他的部分就是我們在台電在新基礎的建設上面這一段時間確實是高峰\n那也感謝各位委員的支持讓我們機組有更新的機會那我想說這個工作非常的重要我們要盡快的更新新的機組上來所以知道嗎不只今年沒有缺電問題在未來如果照這樣的規劃這還都是大型的機組嗎還有其他的在任人員都進來所以也沒有缺電的問題嗎\n跟委員報告我們現在有三個電廠在蓋新的機組有兩個電廠環評通過在招標那有兩個電廠的計畫現在在做可行性評估那要報怨來核准所以同步進行所有的整個電力建設那也包含電網在內所以都超前部署了不管是這個電廠的部分包括電網的韌性的部分都做了一些部署了嗎\n我們這個部分真的是因應電力的需要我們會提前來做更早的就是以台電過去的\n政總長\n說明一下為什麼坊間還這麼多的講缺電造成人心惶惶\n跟委員報告就是說我想說這個部分我們會盡全力來說明那當然台電公司在供電穩定上面持續的努力來證明這件事可能是最重要的不過我們要穩定的供電也需要大家支持新的電力建設所以我們希望新的電力建設能夠得到支持\n必然你要用電但是如果不蓋新電廠甚至連變電所都不蓋的時候那電力當然都會遇到問題如果沒有蓋新的變電所也沒有辦法拉電網其實很困難那尤其是報告委員我簡單說一下就是我們現在很多電箱人行道上的電箱過去都是因為纜線要地下化而產生的\n我認為這個其實對於整個所有的辛苦的同仁都是不公平而且對台灣的整個投資環境對台灣整個民生都會受到一定的影響我想\n配電系統的加強我們會努力早上我有跟召委請了一個半小時的假也是在做這一件工作我想我們會加強努力不過還是要跟委員報告一件事電力設施的興建一定會在我們生活周邊因為電一定要送到你家所以這些電力設施的興建希望能夠得到社會更多的支持\n我們看一下今天早上這個數字北部的部分電力其實相對是比較需要由南部跟中部送上來的所以我還是希望台電還是要不斷去克服這個問題北部相對電力上是吃緊的\n來﹗\n這個部分我們一定會來做說明我舉個例子就好了 協和電廠除役以後北部的這個用電它將近有600萬千瓦但是未來它可能有470萬的一個電力的一個缺口這樣的缺口的部分可能就是如果北部不找到這些電力來源的話全台灣當然不缺電但是中南部必須送電上來\n所以我認為這個事情還是要經濟部跟台電要審慎去思考電力用這樣的傳送其實不是一個好的方式除了耗損包括對於中南部也不見得是一個公平的方式我希望這一塊台電公司跟經濟部要審慎來做處理好不好最後再問一次啦董事長台灣有沒有缺電的問題我們會達成穩定供電的目標講得更清楚一點台灣有沒有缺電的問題就沒有缺電的問題我們會達成好謝謝加油好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.103 --> 00:05.625\n臺灣有沒有缺點?\n\n00:20.810 --> 00:44.350\n報告委員讓臺灣不缺電就是臺電的責任所以沒有缺電的問題部長有提到他為了要讓外界更加的清楚說7月份又公開相關的電力資訊我看到其實已經相當多的資訊公開不管是電力資訊包括用電曲線圖包括這個備轉容量率包括發電量都有了\n\n00:45.192 --> 00:49.931\n部長呃呃曾董事長那7月份還要再公布什麼樣的一個數據\n\n00:51.121 --> 01:13.781\n我講部長的意思是對下一個階段的預測就是對未來的預測所以7月份會公布8月份的預測數字那現在資料出來了嗎我們正在整理所以7月1號會如期的來上線來公布下一個月份的數字因為部長現在出訪我們希望能夠有機會回來跟他報告過把這事情確認下來\n\n01:19.457 --> 01:22.780\n7月份公布8月份的相關的用電的一些下個月所以等於電量的準備的狀況我的理解就是下個月的隔一個月後的\n\n01:37.914 --> 01:56.934\n我看了一下昨天的資料其實用電量是3629萬千瓦那預估會到最高到4070但是當天最高的會到4629萬千瓦這個數字是正確的嘛對不對對就我們網站上的資料還是9.20的資料是所以從這樣來看的時候其實如果以\n\n02:01.878 --> 02:18.989\n例年最高大概是2022年7月22日4074萬千瓦的話其實我們的量還是多出了將近有600萬千瓦所以量其實是都有超前做一些準備的\n\n02:19.649 --> 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