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00:02:30,105\n剛剛委員講的4年內要填補將近4900人那因為我們現在目前一年在招聘的差不多有1000出頭那應該是可以補足這樣的一個缺口所以未來的話你們還是一樣會用退役補役的方式來做這個這個人員的禁用當然一般是一個蘿蔔一個坑但是我們因為現在有這種缺口我們會稍微採取比較彈性的做法這樣比較彈性是怎樣\n\n8\n00:02:31,178 --> 00:02:53,701\n所以說現在就有缺口了,所以可能現在就需要再補了。對,要提前補,把未來的有一些要招進來。好,那你們未來如果要再補的話,因為我事實上我們知道說很多國營事業啦,我們國營事業會經營很多面向。那事實上很多面向的國營事業在經營上都不會有民營企業來得有競爭力。對。\n\n9\n00:02:54,722 --> 00:03:16,005\n好,就是說成本的考量也好或者是效率的問題來說國營事業事實上在這一塊跟民營事業比起來就是少了競爭力那如果我們未來齁整個國家大概是朝向減碳然後要所謂的ESG那這個都是未來國營事業必須要\n\n10\n00:03:16,705 --> 00:03:28,400\n領銜就是說要做在民營去還要投薪那未來國營事業是不是應該要有更多的關於減碳的一個人才的一個徵用\n\n11\n00:03:30,288 --> 00:03:59,193\n這部分我們部長有告訴你說不管在減碳或是在剛才講的AI的應用這一部分國營事業要帶頭來做我們目前已經規劃要開始進行像中油現在都在公安在環保很多部分都已經開始用比較成熟AI那個鑑別式的那個技術已經開始在做了有齁有有有在做所以你們都有在推動齁好那我是不是再請那個自來水這個董事長\n\n12\n00:04:00,404 --> 00:04:14,799\n我們再請李董事長董事長我先前就有跟你談過事實上我們自來水\n\n13\n00:04:16,228 --> 00:04:33,748\n不管是站在減碳的角度,或者是在節水的角度,我們要怎樣減少這個水的一個浪費,這個很重要,我相信你也知道。事實上以現在大概整個這個水供會有漏水的比率最高在哪裡你知道嗎?\n\n14\n00:04:34,984 --> 00:04:53,830\n以我們公司內部現在的調查那漏水率最比較高的區域是在基隆跟屏東基隆跟屏東那如果以一個地區嘉義跟雲林的話是不是沿海跟平原比起來沿海的地方是漏水率比較高那為什麼會這樣\n\n15\n00:04:56,171 --> 00:05:04,261\n因為沿海地區有一些腐蝕性的問題啦鹽分比較高鹽化嘛鹽化就是一樣是鐵壓的東西嘛沒有這麼強鹽化的一個結果所以算鐵壓也是會有的嘛所以現在\n\n16\n00:05:14,613 --> 00:05:26,262\n自來水公司也有計畫說針對沿海地區避免他這樣的一個研化所以可能要換成高強度的HDPE的水管那你們這樣汰換的計畫目前進行到怎樣\n\n17\n00:05:31,426 --> 00:05:55,979\n我們那個更換的管材的部分還是放在我們降低漏水率的整體計畫裡面那像嘉義57處這邊我們每年給57處分配的預算大概有七八億左右那我會請我們嘉義地區一區處針對沿海地區漏水率比較高的管段優先把它汰換\n\n18\n00:05:58,033 --> 00:06:19,128\n這個也要請教次長啦就針對這個漏水的這個問題嘛事實上先前也有討論過我們可能會直接用專案的方式然後來協助自來水公司然後讓他們有一筆比較大的預算然後在這幾年內用最快的速度解決漏水的問題因為我們現在知道說\n\n19\n00:06:21,029 --> 00:06:37,734\n這個水真的是吼這個得來不易啦要不要再加多水吼因為吼這個水管的問題吼水管的問題然後讓它流失了就很可惜所以到底我們這樣的一個專款的一個計畫現在用專款然後來減少漏水的這件事情有辦法來爭取嗎\n\n20\n00:06:39,448 --> 00:06:51,753\n他們現在是提出800億要來請那個董事長是嗎?對,根據我們報告我們現在的降低漏水率計畫現階段是執行到113年那我們已經提報了114年到121年的8年的一個計畫總經費將近808億那這個計畫現在已經送給行政院來審議中\n\n21\n00:07:01,050 --> 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有辦法來爭取嗎\n399448\t411753\t他們現在是提出800億要來請那個董事長是嗎?對,根據我們報告我們現在的降低漏水率計畫現階段是執行到113年那我們已經提報了114年到121年的8年的一個計畫總經費將近808億那這個計畫現在已經送給行政院來審議中\n421050\t421070\t謝謝委員長\n","txt":"請做詢答謝謝主席那我們是不是有請這個蓮次長好我們再請蓮次長我也好次長那因為這個\n媒體有報導這個國營事業也出現人才荒\n那一看這報告我一開始也不太相信我想說國營事業應該是大家爭先恐後想要進來的那如果以這個表格來看這一個我右邊這一個表格你看從90年到109年整個全國的公務人員這公務人員包括行政機關的以及國營事業的公務人員你可以看到傳統行政機關的公務人員是逐年增高\n從90年的時候21萬到109年的時候是25萬7千那相對國營事業的人數的比例從12萬現在降到了6萬也就是說這將近20年的時間國營事業的人數是減半這是砍了一半的一個人數那未來3到5年內還有所謂的一個退休的一個退休潮\n那如果這樣的話市長國營事業會出現這個人才荒嗎?\n跟我們報告我們已經注意到這個所以今天那個召委才安排了這樣的一個專案報告來提醒我們說要有相當的配套措施來解決這個問題那我們現在剛才委員講的這個應該是有的是民營化的問題齁那我們我們這個四大公司現在目前也針對今天召委所排的這個我們提出了一些相對的應對策那\n剛剛委員講的4年內要填補將近4900人那因為我們現在目前一年在招聘的差不多有1000出頭那應該是可以補足這樣的一個缺口所以未來的話你們還是一樣會用退役補役的方式來做這個這個人員的禁用當然一般是一個蘿蔔一個坑但是我們因為現在有這種缺口我們會稍微採取比較彈性的做法這樣比較彈性是怎樣\n所以說現在就有缺口了,所以可能現在就需要再補了。對,要提前補,把未來的有一些要招進來。好,那你們未來如果要再補的話,因為我事實上我們知道說很多國營事業啦,我們國營事業會經營很多面向。那事實上很多面向的國營事業在經營上都不會有民營企業來得有競爭力。對。\n好,就是說成本的考量也好或者是效率的問題來說國營事業事實上在這一塊跟民營事業比起來就是少了競爭力那如果我們未來齁整個國家大概是朝向減碳然後要所謂的ESG那這個都是未來國營事業必須要\n領銜就是說要做在民營去還要投薪那未來國營事業是不是應該要有更多的關於減碳的一個人才的一個徵用\n這部分我們部長有告訴你說不管在減碳或是在剛才講的AI的應用這一部分國營事業要帶頭來做我們目前已經規劃要開始進行像中油現在都在公安在環保很多部分都已經開始用比較成熟AI那個鑑別式的那個技術已經開始在做了有齁有有有在做所以你們都有在推動齁好那我是不是再請那個自來水這個董事長\n我們再請李董事長董事長我先前就有跟你談過事實上我們自來水\n不管是站在減碳的角度,或者是在節水的角度,我們要怎樣減少這個水的一個浪費,這個很重要,我相信你也知道。事實上以現在大概整個這個水供會有漏水的比率最高在哪裡你知道嗎?\n以我們公司內部現在的調查那漏水率最比較高的區域是在基隆跟屏東基隆跟屏東那如果以一個地區嘉義跟雲林的話是不是沿海跟平原比起來沿海的地方是漏水率比較高那為什麼會這樣\n因為沿海地區有一些腐蝕性的問題啦 鹽分比較高 鹽化嘛 鹽化就是一樣是鐵壓的東西嘛 沒有這麼強鹽化的一個結果 所以算鐵壓也是會有的嘛 所以現在\n自來水公司也有計畫說針對沿海地區避免他這樣的一個研化所以可能要換成高強度的HDPE的水管那你們這樣汰換的計畫目前進行到怎樣\n我們那個更換的管材的部分還是放在我們降低漏水率的整體計畫裡面那像嘉義57處這邊我們每年給57處分配的預算大概有七八億左右那我會請我們嘉義地區一區處針對沿海地區漏水率比較高的管段優先把它汰換\n這個也要請教次長啦就針對這個漏水的這個問題嘛事實上先前也有討論過我們可能會直接用專案的方式然後來協助自來水公司然後讓他們有一筆比較大的預算然後在這幾年內用最快的速度解決漏水的問題因為我們現在知道說\n這個水真的是吼 這個得來不易啦 要不要再加多水吼 因為吼 這個水管的問題吼 水管的問題 然後讓它流失了就很可惜 所以到底我們這樣的一個專款的一個計畫 現在用專款然後來減少漏水的這件事情 有辦法來爭取嗎\n他們現在是提出800億要來請那個董事長是嗎?對,根據我們報告我們現在的降低漏水率計畫現階段是執行到113年那我們已經提報了114年到121年的8年的一個計畫總經費將近808億那這個計畫現在已經送給行政院來審議中\n謝謝委員長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.502 --> 00:27.582\n請做詢答謝謝主席那我們是不是有請這個蓮次長好我們再請蓮次長我也好次長那因為這個\n\n00:29.008 --> 00:29.929\n媒體有報導這個國營事業也出現人才荒\n\n00:34.073 --> 01:00.848\n那一看這報告我一開始也不太相信我想說國營事業應該是大家爭先恐後想要進來的那如果以這個表格來看這一個我右邊這一個表格你看從90年到109年整個全國的公務人員這公務人員包括行政機關的以及國營事業的公務人員你可以看到傳統行政機關的公務人員是逐年增高\n\n01:02.028 --> 01:30.285\n從90年的時候21萬到109年的時候是25萬7千那相對國營事業的人數的比例從12萬現在降到了6萬也就是說這將近20年的時間國營事業的人數是減半這是砍了一半的一個人數那未來3到5年內還有所謂的一個退休的一個退休潮\n\n01:30.985 --> 01:36.976\n那如果這樣的話市長國營事業會出現這個人才荒嗎?\n\n01:38.260 --> 02:02.198\n跟我們報告我們已經注意到這個所以今天那個召委才安排了這樣的一個專案報告來提醒我們說要有相當的配套措施來解決這個問題那我們現在剛才委員講的這個應該是有的是民營化的問題齁那我們我們這個四大公司現在目前也針對今天召委所排的這個我們提出了一些相對的應對策那\n\n02:03.178 --> 02:30.105\n剛剛委員講的4年內要填補將近4900人那因為我們現在目前一年在招聘的差不多有1000出頭那應該是可以補足這樣的一個缺口所以未來的話你們還是一樣會用退役補役的方式來做這個這個人員的禁用當然一般是一個蘿蔔一個坑但是我們因為現在有這種缺口我們會稍微採取比較彈性的做法這樣比較彈性是怎樣\n\n02:31.178 --> 02:53.701\n所以說現在就有缺口了,所以可能現在就需要再補了。對,要提前補,把未來的有一些要招進來。好,那你們未來如果要再補的話,因為我事實上我們知道說很多國營事業啦,我們國營事業會經營很多面向。那事實上很多面向的國營事業在經營上都不會有民營企業來得有競爭力。對。\n\n02:54.722 --> 03:16.005\n好,就是說成本的考量也好或者是效率的問題來說國營事業事實上在這一塊跟民營事業比起來就是少了競爭力那如果我們未來齁整個國家大概是朝向減碳然後要所謂的ESG那這個都是未來國營事業必須要\n\n03:16.705 --> 03:28.400\n領銜就是說要做在民營去還要投薪那未來國營事業是不是應該要有更多的關於減碳的一個人才的一個徵用\n\n03:30.288 --> 03:59.193\n這部分我們部長有告訴你說不管在減碳或是在剛才講的AI的應用這一部分國營事業要帶頭來做我們目前已經規劃要開始進行像中油現在都在公安在環保很多部分都已經開始用比較成熟AI那個鑑別式的那個技術已經開始在做了有齁有有有在做所以你們都有在推動齁好那我是不是再請那個自來水這個董事長\n\n04:00.404 --> 04:14.799\n我們再請李董事長董事長我先前就有跟你談過事實上我們自來水\n\n04:16.228 --> 04:33.748\n不管是站在減碳的角度,或者是在節水的角度,我們要怎樣減少這個水的一個浪費,這個很重要,我相信你也知道。事實上以現在大概整個這個水供會有漏水的比率最高在哪裡你知道嗎?\n\n04:34.984 --> 04:53.830\n以我們公司內部現在的調查那漏水率最比較高的區域是在基隆跟屏東基隆跟屏東那如果以一個地區嘉義跟雲林的話是不是沿海跟平原比起來沿海的地方是漏水率比較高那為什麼會這樣\n\n04:56.171 --> 05:04.261\n因為沿海地區有一些腐蝕性的問題啦鹽分比較高鹽化嘛鹽化就是一樣是鐵壓的東西嘛沒有這麼強鹽化的一個結果所以算鐵壓也是會有的嘛所以現在\n\n05:14.613 --> 05:26.262\n自來水公司也有計畫說針對沿海地區避免他這樣的一個研化所以可能要換成高強度的HDPE的水管那你們這樣汰換的計畫目前進行到怎樣\n\n05:31.426 --> 05:55.979\n我們那個更換的管材的部分還是放在我們降低漏水率的整體計畫裡面那像嘉義57處這邊我們每年給57處分配的預算大概有七八億左右那我會請我們嘉義地區一區處針對沿海地區漏水率比較高的管段優先把它汰換\n\n05:58.033 --> 06:19.128\n這個也要請教次長啦就針對這個漏水的這個問題嘛事實上先前也有討論過我們可能會直接用專案的方式然後來協助自來水公司然後讓他們有一筆比較大的預算然後在這幾年內用最快的速度解決漏水的問題因為我們現在知道說\n\n06:21.029 --> 06:37.734\n這個水真的是吼這個得來不易啦要不要再加多水吼因為吼這個水管的問題吼水管的問題然後讓它流失了就很可惜所以到底我們這樣的一個專款的一個計畫現在用專款然後來減少漏水的這件事情有辦法來爭取嗎\n\n06:39.448 --> 06:51.753\n他們現在是提出800億要來請那個董事長是嗎?對,根據我們報告我們現在的降低漏水率計畫現階段是執行到113年那我們已經提報了114年到121年的8年的一個計畫總經費將近808億那這個計畫現在已經送給行政院來審議中\n\n07:01.050 --> 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