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00:00:55,494\n這一部分召開跨部會還要請我們專家學者還有勞資、仲介、移工、地方政府等代表來參與希望提供對於我們社會影響評估、勞動市場影響評估還有政策可行性評估希望你們做一個具體完善的報告再來送交我們社福及衛環委員會\n\n4\n00:00:57,074 --> 00:01:23,580\n那這個報告我們在5月31日我們有收到那針對這一部分我想請問一下何部長我們就是因為認為勞動部針對之前專題報告的時候評估做得不夠所以也希望再進一步請專家學者來進行評估那因你在立法院幕僚任職多年應該知道我們目的是這樣嘛對不對要加強做這個評估嘛\n\n5\n00:01:24,620 --> 00:01:32,666\n好那我們就針對我們剛剛做講的這三項評估我們來看一下那針對我們勞動市場影響評估後來我針對這幾個看了一下我發現3月6號專題報告所看到的評估跟5月31號我們勞動部所提供這個\n\n6\n00:01:48,278 --> 00:01:58,944\n評估報告我覺得這個除了字數有做改變之外他裡面的內容意義看起來幾乎是完全一樣部長針對這部分你有沒有自己有沒有看過\n\n7\n00:02:01,186 --> 00:02:26,519\n委員其實因為大概問題意思是類似的啦所以他的描述大概就是指呢所以我的意思是說針對其實我們勞動市場影響評估報告其實嚴格來講3月6日跟5月31日其實做出來其實是完全一樣啦那意思也是完全一樣我就說除了字數改變以外其實看起來的幾乎是沒有什麼改變那再來我們針對\n\n8\n00:02:27,640 --> 00:02:42,758\n第2個政策可行性評估那針對這一部分我們也瞭解一下他的全文兩個對照之下87%都是相同的跟3月6號專題報告所提出的評估幾乎是相同的\n\n9\n00:02:43,238 --> 00:02:59,674\n那重點這裡面移工服務不足最重要的通譯資源我們勞動部的回覆是未來在事情況盤點那我請問一下部長你知道在印度什麼語言他們使用最高嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:00,635 --> 00:03:07,942\n目前坦白講應該是沒有可是我要跟您說明我們剛開始一定會先以童小英語的人才為主\n\n11\n00:03:23,217 --> 00:03:23,417\n現在有在盤點中?\n\n12\n00:03:43,421 --> 00:04:01,133\n有跟移民署而且跟移民署一起一起會同在盤點中對啦不過說實在話因為我們看這個評估報告我們看不到有任何的做法只看到就是說針對未來的情況在座盤點表示其實目前沒有任何規劃任何做法嘛\n\n13\n00:04:01,789 --> 00:04:13,340\n那還有再來就是社會影響評估其實我們看了一下其實真的也是跟前面一樣幾乎這個內容我看幾乎也是複製貼上那針對這部分我們看\n\n14\n00:04:17,762 --> 00:04:31,661\n比較不一樣的就是我們有召集了第一次台印度勞務合作事務專家諮詢的會議那針對這部分我們看了一下印度專家有針對這部分提出兩項\n\n15\n00:04:50,504 --> 00:05:07,896\n我們針對這個評估報告所做出來的第一項第二項就是說印度在臺灣的人數很少尚未形成大型的族群所以他的交流不平凡也難以串聯逃跑所以我們看得到我們勞動部\n\n16\n00:05:10,077 --> 00:05:33,125\n老法署我們花了三個月的時間喔開了兩次的專案會議那其實前面的評估報告幾乎都是大同小異啦那唯一比較不一樣就是有針對合作事務的專家諮詢會議提出兩個評估的成果那我不知道部長你對這部分覺得這個成果你滿意嗎覺得有沒有需要再\n\n17\n00:05:34,008 --> 00:05:53,254\n在加強可以再加強啦可以再檢討加強好嗎對啊我是建議啦其實我們花了三個月的時間當初臨時提案就是等希望等一個完善的評估報告其實等了三個月喔我們看不到有什麼特殊的評估報告所以其實這整個專業評估報告\n\n18\n00:05:55,915 --> 00:06:16,956\n說實在話如果說這個論文拿去判定我在想可能還是會被判定抄襲因為這個幾乎是雷同可以說是一模一樣所以我覺得三個月的時間應該要有一點成果不然當初3月6號我們臨時提案結果等了三個月是等這樣的報告我覺得我們應該很失望\n\n19\n00:06:17,813 --> 00:06:33,347\n委員因為這個在我上任前處理的所以這個我想我來要求他們這個未來我們在做這種相關的評估報告的話一定要確實而且我希望針對這評估報告還是要再加強再來給我們審查我覺得這個報告幾乎都是複製貼上沒有什麼成果我會請他們來檢討改進好嗎好還有針對我們\n\n20\n00:06:45,111 --> 00:06:45,531\n我當然贊成阿對\n\n21\n00:07:06,599 --> 00:07:22,181\n對阿所以我們看了一下從之前的許明春部長到部長然後我們民進黨的林淑芬委員還有民眾黨的陳昭芝委員針對這部分職聘的部分大家都贊同那現在到底\n\n22\n00:07:23,544 --> 00:07:52,746\n部長你覺得這個職聘的問題是在哪裡對委員是這樣我態度上我是一定贊成的我也很希望推動可是我要跟您坦白說明這個職聘一定推動有它的困難那麼困難這個我所以我講的是說我們要我們要坦白面對這個職聘的困難然後要去克服我的態度是這樣的我們不要說誇口說我們一定做得到那事實上到時候做不到怎麼辦呢對不對\n\n23\n00:07:53,687 --> 00:08:10,351\n因為這畢竟對台灣來講是一個全新的經驗所以印度那邊好像也沒有目前那他印度官方有意願配合嗎?我們只能期待啦可是印度他初期一定也是以中介為主啦\n\n24\n00:08:11,372 --> 00:08:36,590\n這是他們的習慣跟文化那我這邊有建議啦因為我們也知道說現在要做一定有它的一個難度在我這邊有一個建議就是希望可以循序漸進去實施啦針對如果我們G2G這個職聘人數調整的比例如果在1000人的時候我們建議配套來做5%1000到3000人我們建議配套來做10%\n\n25\n00:08:37,791 --> 00:09:03,645\n三千到五千人建議做15%然後五千到一萬建議做20%一萬人以上我們建議做25%然後也可以提供僱主職聘的誘因讓這僱主有能夠提供優先的選工的權利那針對這部分我們希望依序漸進來做這樣子我覺得後面實施的可能性就會比較大不過針對部長對這有什麼看法\n\n26\n00:09:06,597 --> 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