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00:01:38,952\n但今天教育部也有提到說少子化我們學校又減班所以55班以上的學校其實是越來越少按照你們現在統計就以高中、校別來說525所學校裡面我們現在有55班的學校是有幾所?報表\n\n6\n00:01:46,046 --> 00:02:07,583\n這個因為這個比較臨時,我待會中午給您,我們這邊有一個完整的目標。這個其實有你們不理同仁有提供我們數字。就是說以高中生來說,這個其中有達到55班只有85校。那這個是比例上其實是不到兩成。這個資料也都是你們教育部提供給我的。舉這個例子是要來說的是,所以我們的法規真的是需要修改了。\n\n7\n00:02:08,263 --> 00:02:37,338\n因為我們如果說以過去的標準來說實際上我們能夠來增加輔導的人力是有限的對於需求來說所以在我們的提案裡面呢我們也把大學要設專業輔導人力的門檻從每1200人設一位下修到每900人設一位就是希望要充實校園裡面的專輔人力那前陣子有新店高中的學生來訪問我就是我們正在試辦的高中生的心理假\n\n8\n00:02:39,520 --> 00:03:00,619\n那就是身心調試假那已經開始3月就開始上路了嘛在高中事辦的學校裡面我們有沒有去掌握數據從3月到現在開始已經有在請心理假就是身心調試假的學生或是請假的次數有沒有一個粗抓的數字\n\n9\n00:03:05,731 --> 00:03:10,635\n各位委員報告,剛剛有6月28的時候我們會做一個調查,那天會會上這42校。所以屆時在這幾天我們有一個調查表,相關的數據,包含剛剛委員提到說大概平均有多少學生在運用,以及運用的問題可能會是哪些,包含可能家長這邊有沒有一些建議這些。\n\n10\n00:03:29,429 --> 00:03:44,380\n因為我們現行的法規他這個身心價對高中生來講很重要過去其實就有這樣的需求但是沒有這個價別但他要請還是需要家長同意所以在實務上面除了第一個是說家長認不認同身心價\n\n11\n00:03:46,055 --> 00:03:47,436\n二、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬二、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬二、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬\n\n12\n00:04:03,547 --> 00:04:06,089\n兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬\n\n13\n00:04:29,329 --> 00:04:45,986\n到底我們在配套上面有沒有相關我們講的輔導的措施輔導的人力可以進來讓學生知道說當他需要求助的時候我們教育部現在政府是提供你身心調適假的我們要能夠也要跟家長老師都要來好好的來推廣溝通\n\n14\n00:04:50,320 --> 00:05:01,449\n接下來我要問的是學府法第五條我們也有學生輔導諮詢會在目前的法定成員裡面這個會法定成員有哪些成員?部長\n\n15\n00:05:06,006 --> 00:05:19,959\n這裡邊有這個除了主管機關的首長來擔任其他的委員大概包含精神科醫師然後還有一些這個學校的輔導主任老師代表目前法定成員有沒有學生代表\n\n16\n00:05:20,339 --> 00:05:45,547\n目前是沒有學生代表的我們在這一次也跟委員報告我們有把學生代表這個利害關係人士是有把學生代表拿進去這個給予肯定而且我覺得非常重要因為跟學生相關的事務我們現在都強調學生有他的自主性讓學生一起來參與討論所以這一次會放進我們的修法版本當中好謝謝部長請回接下來我要請體育署\n\n17\n00:05:51,889 --> 00:06:16,636\n委員好這個署長好因為今天我們討論學生輔導關心的是心理輔導心理的支持我們準備要前進奧運了像我們霹靂舞的選手孫政也拿到了奧運的門票那之前在教委會我原本就非常關心的是上一次我們的奧運代表團結果我們沒有讓運動心理師隨行我現在請問署長我們今年的奧運有沒有準備好會派運動心理師來隨團\n\n18\n00:06:17,836 --> 00:06:45,214\n包括委員我們這一次在運動心理的專業人員方面運動心理諮商老師有9位運動心理諮商師有一位是已經在準備在我們這一次的團隊當中好太好這個非常的重要那去年在教委會裡面委員們也在關心因為我們的運動心理師我們不能只有比賽要培訓的期間才請他們進駐來幫忙那我們需要有編制化正式編制常態性的運動心理師\n\n19\n00:06:47,856 --> 00:07:12,648\n因為這個準備的過程是非常長的所以當時最後的建議是說來納入運科中心我現在請問運科中心我們有沒有來聘請正式的運動心理師?報告委員這部分運動心理諮商老師運科中心這邊有在有編制那但是這有分兩個層面第一個如果是講諮商心理師他的薪資要求通常市場\n\n20\n00:07:13,368 --> 00:07:13,388\n﹝討論中﹞\n\n21\n00:07:28,922 --> 00:07:53,778\n我們主要在關注的就是這些專業人員在協助我們支持選手但是我們不能每次要培訓比賽才請人家來幫忙結果中間比賽培訓任務結束了請你先回家休息休息幾個月下次我要需要的時候馬上證招你又要來幫忙我們還是要讓他們有穩定的這個環境我們才能夠來支持我們選手有更充足的心理上面的支持報委員所以我\n\n22\n00:07:54,458 --> 00:08:20,752\n為什麼我在從我上任之後一直在推動就是說希望他們在薪資的部分能夠做調整符合市場需求才拚得到人這部分是目前的確存在也在積極解決的問題那目前我們更放寬的是選手他參加奧運他除了他平常在我們他可能用的是我們中心裡面的諮商的老師但他有可能是用外面的諮商的老師那我們都一起帶去奧運\n\n23\n00:08:22,039 --> 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謝謝部長請回接下來我要請體育署\n351889\t376636\t委員好這個署長好因為今天我們討論學生輔導關心的是心理輔導心理的支持我們準備要前進奧運了像我們霹靂舞的選手孫政也拿到了奧運的門票那之前在教委會我原本就非常關心的是上一次我們的奧運代表團結果我們沒有讓運動心理師隨行我現在請問署長我們今年的奧運有沒有準備好會派運動心理師來隨團\n377836\t405214\t包括委員我們這一次在運動心理的專業人員方面運動心理諮商老師有9位運動心理諮商師有一位是已經在準備在我們這一次的團隊當中好太好這個非常的重要那去年在教委會裡面委員們也在關心因為我們的運動心理師我們不能只有比賽要培訓的期間才請他們進駐來幫忙那我們需要有編制化正式編制常態性的運動心理師\n407856\t432648\t因為這個準備的過程是非常長的所以當時最後的建議是說來納入運科中心我現在請問運科中心我們有沒有來聘請正式的運動心理師?報告委員這部分運動心理諮商老師運科中心這邊有在有編制那但是這有分兩個層面第一個如果是講諮商心理師他的薪資要求通常市場\n433368\t433388\t﹝討論中﹞\n448922\t473778\t我們主要在關注的就是這些專業人員在協助我們支持選手但是我們不能每次要培訓比賽才請人家來幫忙結果中間比賽培訓任務結束了請你先回家休息休息幾個月下次我要需要的時候馬上證招你又要來幫忙我們還是要讓他們有穩定的這個環境我們才能夠來支持我們選手有更充足的心理上面的支持報委員所以我\n474458\t500752\t為什麼我在從我上任之後一直在推動就是說希望他們在薪資的部分能夠做調整符合市場需求才拚得到人這部分是目前的確存在也在積極解決的問題那目前我們更放寬的是選手他參加奧運他除了他平常在我們他可能用的是我們中心裡面的諮商的老師但他有可能是用外面的諮商的老師那我們都一起帶去奧運\n502039\t502059\t好,謝謝。\n","txt":"教育部長\n委員好部長好今天我們討論是學生輔導法的修法那這部法案大家都很關心我們也跟教育部有過多次的討論那今天教育部有正式講說未來這個修法有五大方向就包括了增加人力我們三級輔導的整合還有我們地方輔資中心要專業化我們要維護兒少權益還有我們是各級輔導老師要提供他們在職進修那其中因為很重要的就是人力嘛\n因為過去我在市議會在市議會的時候其實我們都多次跟台北市政府的社會局還有我們的教育局在討論青少年的心理健康但是我們知道要能夠給予學生支持專業的輔導人力是最重要的\n所以其實我們從基層現場就發現說專業輔導人力真的是不足那現在問題是說我們怎麼樣除了增加人力以外還要去加強我們跟民間的幸福資源的連結我先問一個問題因為我們現行的學輔法的規定是我們國民教育是55班來設一名專任的輔導人力嘛\n但今天教育部也有提到說少子化我們學校又減班所以55班以上的學校其實是越來越少按照你們現在統計就以高中、校別來說525所學校裡面我們現在有55班的學校是有幾所?報表\n這個因為這個比較臨時,我待會中午給您,我們這邊有一個完整的目標。這個其實有你們不理同仁有提供我們數字。就是說以高中生來說,這個其中有達到55班只有85校。那這個是比例上其實是不到兩成。這個資料也都是你們教育部提供給我的。舉這個例子是要來說的是,所以我們的法規真的是需要修改了。\n因為我們如果說以過去的標準來說實際上我們能夠來增加輔導的人力是有限的對於需求來說所以在我們的提案裡面呢我們也把大學要設專業輔導人力的門檻從每1200人設一位下修到每900人設一位就是希望要充實校園裡面的專輔人力那前陣子有新店高中的學生來訪問我就是我們正在試辦的高中生的心理假\n那就是身心調試假那已經開始3月就開始上路了嘛在高中事辦的學校裡面我們有沒有去掌握數據從3月到現在開始已經有在請心理假就是身心調試假的學生或是請假的次數有沒有一個粗抓的數字\n各位委員報告,剛剛有6月28的時候我們會做一個調查,那天會會上這42校。所以屆時在這幾天我們有一個調查表,相關的數據,包含剛剛委員提到說大概平均有多少學生在運用,以及運用的問題可能會是哪些,包含可能家長這邊有沒有一些建議這些。\n因為我們現行的法規他這個身心價對高中生來講很重要過去其實就有這樣的需求但是沒有這個價別但他要請還是需要家長同意所以在實務上面除了第一個是說家長認不認同身心價\n二、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬二、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬二、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬\n兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬兩、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬\n到底我們在配套上面有沒有相關我們講的輔導的措施輔導的人力可以進來讓學生知道說當他需要求助的時候我們教育部現在政府是提供你身心調適假的我們要能夠也要跟家長老師都要來好好的來推廣溝通\n接下來我要問的是學府法第五條我們也有學生輔導諮詢會在目前的法定成員裡面這個會法定成員有哪些成員?部長\n這裡邊有這個除了主管機關的首長來擔任其他的委員大概包含精神科醫師然後還有一些這個學校的輔導主任老師代表目前法定成員有沒有學生代表\n目前是沒有學生代表的我們在這一次也跟委員報告我們有把學生代表這個利害關係人士是有把學生代表拿進去這個給予肯定而且我覺得非常重要因為跟學生相關的事務我們現在都強調學生有他的自主性讓學生一起來參與討論所以這一次會放進我們的修法版本當中好 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