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00:01:16,650\n指揮所的那個電腦輔志指揮所的這個演練然後時兵的這個部分是五天四夜那但是那個但是郭部長因為上一次我問邱部長的時候他確實有說演練的項目是有增加的所以我您回去看過去的這個影像的話我只是說明一下有兩個兩種的知道知道這我理解請說\n\n5\n00:01:18,666 --> 00:01:34,101\n委員好,我來說明一下我們在今年從5天4夜延長到8天7夜的所謂的電腦輔助指揮所演練因為今年的威脅,其實共軍有可能由嚴轉戰的這個狀況\n\n6\n00:01:36,874 --> 00:02:03,645\n由嚴轉戰。對,由嚴轉戰。你們的判斷是有這樣子的可能性?是,從前年的他們的聯合軍事行動到近期的所謂的立建2024A,其實甚至他們在現階段在我們周邊的這些的戰備警巡,其實就是很多的專家學者其實都有提出來說是一種溫水煮青蛙,或者說是一直不斷的切香腸的戰術。\n\n7\n00:02:04,865 --> 00:02:30,639\n其實我們逐漸的看出來說他具備了所謂的由演轉戰的這個能力所以我們這一次在漢光演習的時候我們就著重在幾個重點第一個國軍如何從灰色地帶能夠快速的轉換成為備戰這個階段我們大概就增加了一到兩日的一個操演的過程這個是指實際操演不是指電腦模擬\n\n8\n00:02:31,879 --> 00:02:55,905\n電腦模擬的部分電腦模擬其實有更多的一些的可以進入到實際的一個狀況然後接下來另外一個也就是說我們除了一個從灰色地帶進到防衛作戰的這一個演練是一個我們增加的第二個我們如何快速的讓國軍從一個在平時的狀態轉換成為暫時的狀態\n\n9\n00:03:01,006 --> 00:03:22,140\n從前我們的演習可能是直接進入所謂的這個暫時的狀態就開始執行後面的但這一個變成我們國軍的轉換是非常重要的那我們除了國軍之外因為我們國軍一般來講我們是講的是這個這個有沒有包含是義務役的部分的轉換\n\n10\n00:03:24,650 --> 00:03:48,922\n國軍因為國軍我們分成義務役跟志願役嘛對不對那國軍整體我們都是一起講的所以我想跟您確認一下您剛說快速的這個轉換的過程當中是只有包含我們的志願役的士官兵還是也包含了義務役的部分委員這個裡面區分兩部分第一個部分就是我們現在的所謂的常備部隊也就是我們平時所\n\n11\n00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,721\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n12\n00:04:08,897 --> 00:04:11,459\n對,然後呢轉到後背之後,所以我們這次演習的部分就是也在電腦模擬這一塊,把後背也加進來了。\n\n13\n00:04:26,627 --> 00:04:49,613\nOK了解了那還有其他部分嗎?完成這個部分之後我們就按照第三個重點就是按照共軍的攻台的可能行動而且隨著他的一個戰力不斷的這個這個增長我們調整了我們很多的作戰的一些的思維所以我們在這一次我們為什麼要八天七夜\n\n14\n00:04:50,413 --> 00:05:11,436\n用八天七夜才有足夠的時間把每一個階段能夠非常扎實的去做一個驗證當然,我們很支持那再來想問一個就是說先前我也問過邱部長同樣的問題是在這一次的漢光演習裡面是不是也增加了與盟軍共同怎麼樣快速協防的相關項目\n\n15\n00:05:13,971 --> 00:05:37,657\n方委員這個可能我們都不宜在公開場合可是上次是邱培長講的你們這樣子上次不是我上次我想這個部分確實不宜在公開的場合好啦那我跟您說一下好了你們這樣很可愛喔因為上次是我問他說為什麼要改八天七夜然後他在這個備詢台上說那是因為要增加跟盟軍的演練\n\n16\n00:05:38,297 --> 00:06:04,147\n所以其實是你們說的不是我我是問問題的人那你們是回答問題的人但沒有關係齁不宜說的都不宜說但上次我從質詢台裡面聽到你們備詢台上面的長官們說過了所以我只是再確認一次而已但既然這次改成不宜說那就不說了好嗎好沒有要為難大家的意思喔那接下來我想問一下我們的國軍是為哪一個國家而戰\n\n17\n00:06:06,724 --> 00:06:31,192\n這應該是部長我們來回答的為中華民國而戰為中華民國而戰對不對可是問題是我們的賴清德賴總統突然說中華民國也是台獨那請問我們可以解釋說我們的國軍也是為了台獨而戰嗎能做這樣的解釋嗎我想每一個國軍都為國家效忠為人民效忠那我們的國家是中華民國還是台獨呢\n\n18\n00:06:32,242 --> 00:07:00,318\n我完全懂,但是我在這裡我也要特別說中華人民共和國說了什麼是他中華民國家的事我們中華民國說了什麼是我們中華民國的事而且我相信我們的國軍也有這樣的氣魄要一起為中華民國而戰\n\n19\n00:07:01,178 --> 00:07:17,003\n我相信是這樣的我們的歷史、我們的精神、我們對國家的熱愛我覺得我們的所有的國軍、全民的同胞、所有中華民國的國民都會一致的來支持但是中華人民共和國他認為是怎樣那是他家的事\n\n20\n00:07:17,543 --> 00:07:27,515\n我覺得我們不需要聽他,難道他叫我們去吃屎,我們要吃屎啊?誰理他啊?所以我這裡要講,來我們看下一張所以過去包含我們顏德發部長、包含我們邱國正部長、包含我們像吳斯懷將軍、馮世寬他們都講了\n\n21\n00:07:36,866 --> 00:07:58,480\n國軍不為台獨而戰。中華民國國軍是為中華民國而戰。我想要請問一下顧部長您對這件事情的看法可不可以重述一次讓我們知道我們新任的國防部的部長對這個事情您的具體的態度是什麼?我想每一個國軍都會國家效忠、為人民效忠。\n\n22\n00:07:58,860 --> 00:08:19,077\n那中華民國現在有效的統治區域就是臺澎金馬2300萬的人民他們一定會為2300萬人民的現存的民主自由生活方式而戰那我們的首要目標也是基於備戰才能避戰我們一定要維護臺海的區域和平穩定這就是我們現在的基本的態度\n\n23\n00:08:19,737 --> 00:08:41,738\n所以中華人民共和國的說法,我們中華民國不需要採納,不需要相信,不需要去把中華人民共和國的話塞到我們自己台灣人、中華民國人的嘴巴裡。但是總統的意思應該就是在講說中共的態度它其實就是如此,就是你主張對中華民國而戰。\n\n24\n00:08:44,240 --> 00:09:01,114\n在他的眼裡面,因為他剛剛發佈了對於台獨分子的那個制裁的22條的意見,那在這個意見裡面,所以總統才會解釋就是說你主張為中華民國而戰,在中華人民共和國的眼中裡面,他也是一種台獨。\n\n25\n00:09:01,774 --> 00:09:11,759\n當然我希望因為您也不是賴總統所以我不想逼迫您我知道您沒有辦法代表他發言但是我要再一次強調中華民國就是中華民國我們的國軍是為中華民國而戰我們的國軍不是為台獨而戰\n\n26\n00:09:17,882 --> 00:09:31,631\n中華人民共和國要說中華民國是誰是台獨不是台獨那是他家的事那不是我們家的事我們就是為了我們的國家奮勇向前而且我相信我們所有的國軍弟兄我相信我們的國防部長我相信我們的參謀總長都是秉持同樣的態度\n\n27\n00:09:37,834 --> 00:10:04,205\n只有這樣我們中華民國才能夠團結在一起所以不管是過去的顏德發不管是過去的邱國正以及我相信顧部長您的想法跟過去或許在做了部長之後會有一些轉變我們希望看到的是這八天七夜的演習裡面我們所有的國軍一起努力為中華民國而戰必戰是最優先的我們不希望看到兩岸之間生靈塗炭\n\n28\n00:10:05,486 --> 00:10:29,898\n但我們也要準備好,如果今天真的發生任何狀況的時候,我們是有在準備好的情況之下,能夠保家衛國,可以嗎?是,我想每一個國軍都願意為生活在這片土地的2300萬人民,來他的民主自由生活方式的一個維繫,來有效的防衛,進行這個鞏固國家安全。謝謝部長,謝謝參謀總長。謝謝。\n\n29\n00:10:37,097 --> 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信我們的國軍也有這樣的氣魄要一起為中華民國而戰\n我相信是這樣的我們的歷史、我們的精神、我們對國家的熱愛我覺得我們的所有的國軍、全民的同胞、所有中華民國的國民都會一致的來支持但是中華人民共和國他認為是怎樣那是他家的事\n我覺得我們不需要聽他,難道他叫我們去吃屎,我們要吃屎啊?誰理他啊?所以我這裡要講,來我們看下一張所以過去包含我們顏德發部長、包含我們邱國正部長、包含我們像吳斯懷將軍、馮世寬他們都講了\n國軍不為台獨而戰。中華民國國軍是為中華民國而戰。我想要請問一下顧部長您對這件事情的看法可不可以重述一次讓我們知道我們新任的國防部的部長對這個事情您的具體的態度是什麼?我想每一個國軍都會國家效忠、為人民效忠。\n那中華民國現在有效的統治區域就是臺澎金馬2300萬的人民他們一定會為2300萬人民的現存的民主自由生活方式而戰那我們的首要目標也是基於備戰才能避戰我們一定要維護臺海的區域和平穩定這就是我們現在的基本的態度\n所以中華人民共和國的說法,我們中華民國不需要採納,不需要相信,不需要去把中華人民共和國的話塞到我們自己台灣人、中華民國人的嘴巴裡。但是總統的意思應該就是在講說中共的態度它其實就是如此,就是你主張對中華民國而戰。\n在他的眼裡面,因為他剛剛發佈了對於台獨分子的那個制裁的22條的意見,那在這個意見裡面,所以總統才會解釋就是說你主張為中華民國而戰,在中華人民共和國的眼中裡面,他也是一種台獨。\n當然我希望因為您也不是賴總統所以我不想逼迫您我知道您沒有辦法代表他發言但是我要再一次強調中華民國就是中華民國我們的國軍是為中華民國而戰我們的國軍不是為台獨而戰\n中華人民共和國要說中華民國是誰是台獨不是台獨那是他家的事那不是我們家的事我們就是為了我們的國家奮勇向前而且我相信我們所有的國軍弟兄我相信我們的國防部長我相信我們的參謀總長都是秉持同樣的態度\n只有這樣我們中華民國才能夠團結在一起所以不管是過去的顏德發不管是過去的邱國正以及我相信顧部長您的想法跟過去或許在做了部長之後會有一些轉變我們希望看到的是這八天七夜的演習裡面我們所有的國軍一起努力為中華民國而戰必戰是最優先的我們不希望看到兩岸之間生靈塗炭\n但我們也要準備好,如果今天真的發生任何狀況的時候,我們是有在準備好的情況之下,能夠保家衛國,可以嗎?是,我想每一個國軍都願意為生活在這片土地的2300萬人民,來他的民主自由生活方式的一個維繫,來有效的防衛,進行這個鞏固國家安全。謝謝部長,謝謝參謀總長。謝謝。\n接下來請林益君委員上台諮詢。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.745 --> 00:18.243\n總長好還有我們部長好那今年的漢光演習呢比較不同的是過去是五天四夜現在呢改成八天七夜嘛那對改成八天七夜郭部長應該知道\n\n00:19.284 --> 00:47.361\n那上次呢我問邱部長的時候那就講說呢我們要增加很多跟聯軍演訓的部分那我想要請您再針對這個部分再說明一下在五天四夜延長到八天七夜有哪一些科目是增加的當然如果涉及機密的部分可以不說沒有關係但是我們希望知道說增加了這幾個天數那我們是要增加哪一部分的一些演習又可以達到什麼樣的目的\n\n00:48.004 --> 00:52.777\n我想詳細的由總長來報告不過跟您說明一下八天七夜是指那個電腦\n\n00:55.285 --> 01:16.650\n指揮所的那個電腦輔志指揮所的這個演練然後時兵的這個部分是五天四夜那但是那個但是郭部長因為上一次我問邱部長的時候他確實有說演練的項目是有增加的所以我您回去看過去的這個影像的話我只是說明一下有兩個兩種的知道知道這我理解請說\n\n01:18.666 --> 01:34.101\n委員好,我來說明一下我們在今年從5天4夜延長到8天7夜的所謂的電腦輔助指揮所演練因為今年的威脅,其實共軍有可能由嚴轉戰的這個狀況\n\n01:36.874 --> 02:03.645\n由嚴轉戰。對,由嚴轉戰。你們的判斷是有這樣子的可能性?是,從前年的他們的聯合軍事行動到近期的所謂的立建2024A,其實甚至他們在現階段在我們周邊的這些的戰備警巡,其實就是很多的專家學者其實都有提出來說是一種溫水煮青蛙,或者說是一直不斷的切香腸的戰術。\n\n02:04.865 --> 02:30.639\n其實我們逐漸的看出來說他具備了所謂的由演轉戰的這個能力所以我們這一次在漢光演習的時候我們就著重在幾個重點第一個國軍如何從灰色地帶能夠快速的轉換成為備戰這個階段我們大概就增加了一到兩日的一個操演的過程這個是指實際操演不是指電腦模擬\n\n02:31.879 --> 02:55.905\n電腦模擬的部分電腦模擬其實有更多的一些的可以進入到實際的一個狀況然後接下來另外一個也就是說我們除了一個從灰色地帶進到防衛作戰的這一個演練是一個我們增加的第二個我們如何快速的讓國軍從一個在平時的狀態轉換成為暫時的狀態\n\n03:01.006 --> 03:22.140\n從前我們的演習可能是直接進入所謂的這個暫時的狀態就開始執行後面的但這一個變成我們國軍的轉換是非常重要的那我們除了國軍之外因為我們國軍一般來講我們是講的是這個這個有沒有包含是義務役的部分的轉換\n\n03:24.650 --> 03:48.922\n國軍因為國軍我們分成義務役跟志願役嘛對不對那國軍整體我們都是一起講的所以我想跟您確認一下您剛說快速的這個轉換的過程當中是只有包含我們的志願役的士官兵還是也包含了義務役的部分委員這個裡面區分兩部分第一個部分就是我們現在的所謂的常備部隊也就是我們平時所\n\n03:51.240 --> 03:52.721\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n04:08.897 --> 04:11.459\n對,然後呢轉到後背之後,所以我們這次演習的部分就是也在電腦模擬這一塊,把後背也加進來了。\n\n04:26.627 --> 04:49.613\nOK了解了那還有其他部分嗎?完成這個部分之後我們就按照第三個重點就是按照共軍的攻台的可能行動而且隨著他的一個戰力不斷的這個這個增長我們調整了我們很多的作戰的一些的思維所以我們在這一次我們為什麼要八天七夜\n\n04:50.413 --> 05:11.436\n用八天七夜才有足夠的時間把每一個階段能夠非常扎實的去做一個驗證當然,我們很支持那再來想問一個就是說先前我也問過邱部長同樣的問題是在這一次的漢光演習裡面是不是也增加了與盟軍共同怎麼樣快速協防的相關項目\n\n05:13.971 --> 05:37.657\n方委員這個可能我們都不宜在公開場合可是上次是邱培長講的你們這樣子上次不是我上次我想這個部分確實不宜在公開的場合好啦那我跟您說一下好了你們這樣很可愛喔因為上次是我問他說為什麼要改八天七夜然後他在這個備詢台上說那是因為要增加跟盟軍的演練\n\n05:38.297 --> 06:04.147\n所以其實是你們說的不是我我是問問題的人那你們是回答問題的人但沒有關係齁不宜說的都不宜說但上次我從質詢台裡面聽到你們備詢台上面的長官們說過了所以我只是再確認一次而已但既然這次改成不宜說那就不說了好嗎好沒有要為難大家的意思喔那接下來我想問一下我們的國軍是為哪一個國家而戰\n\n06:06.724 --> 06:31.192\n這應該是部長我們來回答的為中華民國而戰為中華民國而戰對不對可是問題是我們的賴清德賴總統突然說中華民國也是台獨那請問我們可以解釋說我們的國軍也是為了台獨而戰嗎能做這樣的解釋嗎我想每一個國軍都為國家效忠為人民效忠那我們的國家是中華民國還是台獨呢\n\n06:32.242 --> 07:00.318\n我完全懂,但是我在這裡我也要特別說中華人民共和國說了什麼是他中華民國家的事我們中華民國說了什麼是我們中華民國的事而且我相信我們的國軍也有這樣的氣魄要一起為中華民國而戰\n\n07:01.178 --> 07:17.003\n我相信是這樣的我們的歷史、我們的精神、我們對國家的熱愛我覺得我們的所有的國軍、全民的同胞、所有中華民國的國民都會一致的來支持但是中華人民共和國他認為是怎樣那是他家的事\n\n07:17.543 --> 07:27.515\n我覺得我們不需要聽他,難道他叫我們去吃屎,我們要吃屎啊?誰理他啊?所以我這裡要講,來我們看下一張所以過去包含我們顏德發部長、包含我們邱國正部長、包含我們像吳斯懷將軍、馮世寬他們都講了\n\n07:36.866 --> 07:58.480\n國軍不為台獨而戰。中華民國國軍是為中華民國而戰。我想要請問一下顧部長您對這件事情的看法可不可以重述一次讓我們知道我們新任的國防部的部長對這個事情您的具體的態度是什麼?我想每一個國軍都會國家效忠、為人民效忠。\n\n07:58.860 --> 08:19.077\n那中華民國現在有效的統治區域就是臺澎金馬2300萬的人民他們一定會為2300萬人民的現存的民主自由生活方式而戰那我們的首要目標也是基於備戰才能避戰我們一定要維護臺海的區域和平穩定這就是我們現在的基本的態度\n\n08:19.737 --> 08:41.738\n所以中華人民共和國的說法,我們中華民國不需要採納,不需要相信,不需要去把中華人民共和國的話塞到我們自己台灣人、中華民國人的嘴巴裡。但是總統的意思應該就是在講說中共的態度它其實就是如此,就是你主張對中華民國而戰。\n\n08:44.240 --> 09:01.114\n在他的眼裡面,因為他剛剛發佈了對於台獨分子的那個制裁的22條的意見,那在這個意見裡面,所以總統才會解釋就是說你主張為中華民國而戰,在中華人民共和國的眼中裡面,他也是一種台獨。\n\n09:01.774 --> 09:11.759\n當然我希望因為您也不是賴總統所以我不想逼迫您我知道您沒有辦法代表他發言但是我要再一次強調中華民國就是中華民國我們的國軍是為中華民國而戰我們的國軍不是為台獨而戰\n\n09:17.882 --> 09:31.631\n中華人民共和國要說中華民國是誰是台獨不是台獨那是他家的事那不是我們家的事我們就是為了我們的國家奮勇向前而且我相信我們所有的國軍弟兄我相信我們的國防部長我相信我們的參謀總長都是秉持同樣的態度\n\n09:37.834 --> 10:04.205\n只有這樣我們中華民國才能夠團結在一起所以不管是過去的顏德發不管是過去的邱國正以及我相信顧部長您的想法跟過去或許在做了部長之後會有一些轉變我們希望看到的是這八天七夜的演習裡面我們所有的國軍一起努力為中華民國而戰必戰是最優先的我們不希望看到兩岸之間生靈塗炭\n\n10:05.486 --> 10:29.898\n但我們也要準備好,如果今天真的發生任何狀況的時候,我們是有在準備好的情況之下,能夠保家衛國,可以嗎?是,我想每一個國軍都願意為生活在這片土地的2300萬人民,來他的民主自由生活方式的一個維繫,來有效的防衛,進行這個鞏固國家安全。謝謝部長,謝謝參謀總長。謝謝。\n\n10:37.097 --> 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