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00:01:55,546\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n7\n00:02:15,020 --> 00:02:20,043\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n8\n00:02:36,952 --> 00:02:57,584\n所以這個一千萬比起來如果遇到像民洋這樣是不是還是杯水車薪那我的版本是以年營業額之一定比例那這個部分我有跟你們溝通過你們覺得執行上有問題那是不是可以說明一下那是不是還有空間啦因為我是說以民洋為例的話你這一千萬雖然聽起來很高可是對他們來講可能還是罰不痛\n\n9\n00:03:01,986 --> 00:03:04,948\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n10\n00:03:34,486 --> 00:03:52,886\n考試員在定定協會法的時候,協會的代表就是基層同仁。所以委員建議說在我們的執行委員會裡面,本來就協會的代表就是基層同仁。如果說委員認為基層同仁需要再增加,我們在進到實質條文的時候我們再來,是不是?\n\n11\n00:03:53,386 --> 00:04:00,473\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n12\n00:04:18,951 --> 00:04:28,241\n對於上限的部分,我們如果說合法的工廠都有年度額度,但是很多的不是合法的工廠,或者是年度額到底是多少,這個可能不好掌握。\n\n13\n00:04:33,848 --> 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