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00:02:25,698\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具\n\n8\n00:02:30,908 --> 00:02:39,511\n二、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。三、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。四、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n9\n00:03:00,837 --> 00:03:02,878\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n10\n00:03:18,803 --> 00:03:19,503\n主席主席主席主席主席主席主席\n\n11\n00:03:48,539 --> 00:03:52,202\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n12\n00:04:07,153 --> 00:04:11,536\n三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。三、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具、「消防法部分條文修正草案案。\n\n13\n00:04:31,750 --> 00:04:34,453\n五、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n14\n00:04:56,152 --> 00:05:03,394\n你要去回覆原來的民意上面,比如說有人有提出連署這麼多,你必須要去協調或是溝通清楚以後,再附送這樣子的一個資訊給我們在內政部的審查來條例的辦理。那我們在跟侯市長在處理的時候,他也了解這個狀況,也就是說你不能把三重還沒有通過的部分,然後就說我已經到蘆洲通過,然後兩個一起並行。\n\n15\n00:05:20,598 --> 00:05:21,438\n四、審查委員蔡其昌等21人擬具«消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n16\n00:05:40,247 --> 00:05:44,072\n因為時間的關係,我想說這個計畫之前,林侑昌部長他其實已經有在處理了嘛。我想部長一定很能夠完整的了解這個計畫的狀況。我們只是接續處理而已。\n\n17\n00:05:54,244 --> 00:06:19,057\n那就麻煩說部長能夠也盯著這個能夠讓他能夠儘速的進行因為我想說不管其他怎麼樣至少醫院這個東西這個不涉及任何的問題反而是所有不管任何的居民都是最重視的有關就醫健康的這個部分那因為如州20萬人無辜9萬人所以萬坪我們俗稱的那個萬坪醫院如果蓋好的話其實有30萬人會受惠\n\n18\n00:06:19,758 --> 00:06:20,479\n主席主席主席\n\n19\n00:06:28,844 --> 00:06:52,675\n因為醫院的部分也必須要有衛福部經過他們的相關程序處理但是因為這個部分其實跟都市計劃有關係嘛那我才會來請教那個部長這一塊那我只是在提就是說因為這個東西醫院這個興建是當地所有人都非常期望不管他是什麼老人小孩啦黨派什麼都不管他們都非常的在乎這件事所以我想說部長你能不能夠在這邊\n\n20\n00:06:54,876 --> 00:07:02,598\n五、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。六、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。七、審查委員陳亭妃等17人擬具《消防法部分條文修正草案》案。\n\n21\n00:07:20,103 --> 00:07:39,371\n好謝謝部長那如果最後10秒鐘我們撇開都更不談但至少如果有其他方式可以先徵收這個醫院用地然後讓他們做這個醫院的規劃如果有這個可能性法規上可以的話再麻煩部長一般來講都市計畫或者是都更它是一個完整的區塊你不可能切割來處理\n\n22\n00:07:40,611 --> 00:08:05,076\n因為那裡面有包括公共設施或是包括其他的必須要處理的方向,這就是為什麼我們都市計畫常常會有需要很多的條件需要補足的時候才能通過。那所以我剛剛的意思是說,再麻煩部長在法規能夠允許,我知道這個法規上有些問題,我之前在新北當法治局長,那再麻煩在法規能夠允許的情況下,至少我們以醫院為優先的思考,好不好?\n\n23\n00:08:06,195 --> 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