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17人擬具「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案」案；二、審查委員林宜瑾等22人\n擬具「學生輔導法部分條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員張雅琳等19人擬具「學生輔導法部分條\n文修正草案」案；四、審查委員李柏毅等 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00:01:54,891\n到底有沒有可能調整變成大概20班,國家如果有20班就有一個人,那可不可以?有沒有朝這個方向去規劃?我們在努力。第二個就是,我覺得剛剛也很多委員都提到,實際上有時候也不是法律規定應該多少人,而是根本都找不到人。現在很多學校真專輔,比如說開10個區也許只能來8個報到,剩下就代理老師。\n\n6\n00:01:56,631 --> 00:02:19,222\n這個問題其實大家都講很久了但是都一直沒辦法解決所以我不知道教育部到底針對實際這個問題的解決到底有什麼方案總不能說每次我們都在這邊說怎麼要找人啊人不夠啊然後每次從去年談到今年談到明年都是一樣的問題然後都沒有解決這樣也很奇怪吧部長\n\n7\n00:02:22,898 --> 00:02:23,819\n議員林宜瑾等19人擬具\n\n8\n00:02:40,279 --> 00:02:42,801\n有關於有些學校建議建議就是說\n\n9\n00:03:05,666 --> 00:03:06,851\n對不好意思這個我們這邊開會好像有點吵雜對對對\n\n10\n00:03:14,349 --> 00:03:39,125\n就是說有些學校跟老師建議說是不是能夠加強一些教師跟行政人員的一些進修的資源為什麼因為現在的學生他們所面臨到環境是變化是非常迅速的如果我們在輔導學生的速度趕不上環境的變化的話那這可能就沒有辦法達到效果是不是可以增加一些進修的資源在學校\n\n11\n00:03:40,333 --> 00:03:44,274\n續努力還有一個就是有關於能不能強制偏差行為的家長去參加親子講座有可能嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:01,850 --> 00:04:26,283\n只要有家長有在學子女,偶爾可以讓他,你們可以努力看看能不能放一個有薪的親職假,讓他們來參加一些學校的輔導的一些相關活動,或者是可以讓他們有機會來學校跟導師溝通,我不知道教育部能不能往這方向去努力?這個方向我們會努力,因為他確實當然有一定的難度,比如說除了我們法律強迫他一定要來,那當然\n\n13\n00:04:27,945 --> 00:04:48,846\n讓這一個學生違規的學生家長也能夠來學校不管用什麼樣的方式來參與這個討論或者關心小孩子的發展我覺得這是好事家長也扮演一定很關鍵的角色然後再來就是部長因為我之前是蠻關心校園安全問題上次我之前跟\n\n14\n00:04:49,506 --> 00:05:01,000\n前部長溝通這個事情我希望在國中徵校安人員那當時有提臨時提案那教育部回我是說完全是風馬牛不相干他說他有增加學生事務副組長\n\n15\n00:05:03,032 --> 00:05:30,761\n那我要求增加校園安全人員的主要原因是因為現在的老師你叫他去面對幫派學生他沒有辦法能力去處理嘛那你現在又增加副組長副組長還是一般的老師啊他一樣要去面對這些幫派學生所以不是說能力的問題增加一個兩個三個不是這個重點嘛重點是說你要增加能夠去跟幫派小朋友去跟他對抗去處理他的人員嘛\n\n16\n00:05:31,681 --> 00:05:50,662\n所以我希望說教育部能不能再針對我的這樣的一個訴求啊可以針對我的問題回答再回我一個報告好不好那個曾家學務副組長沒有回答到我的問題啊你知道嗎部長謝謝委員的一個關心而且這個是很多國中的校長老師跟我反映的啊\n\n17\n00:05:50,962 --> 00:06:16,292\n我非常同意委員事上對國中的現況有相當程度的掌握這也是我們努力在思考看怎麼樣有建構一個更更周詳的一個校園安全的網絡因為你也剛報到啦所以我沒有說很嚴厲的要求你但是總是要給我們一個期限因為從剛剛到現在你都是說努力的方向但我不知道說這個努力方向是兩年後完成還是三年後完成我現在很具體的問\n\n18\n00:06:17,572 --> 00:06:31,888\n因為這個我講很久了,在國中增加校安人員這件事情,什麼時候可以給一個比較詳細的評估報告?因為我們之前也有做臨時提案,但是回答就是完全是牛頭不對馬嘴。什麼時候?什麼時候給我一個完整答案?一個月可不可以?\n\n19\n00:06:40,694 --> 00:06:49,704\n因為馬上放暑假了嘛,我是希望說下個學期開始,國中就可以有消安人員,這是很多學校的期望啊。\n\n20\n00:06:50,503 --> 00:06:51,264\n五、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具李柏毅等19人擬\n\n21\n00:07:12,182 --> 00:07:13,463\n二、審查委員林宜瑾等19人擬具李柏毅等19人擬\n\n22\n00:07:29,353 --> 00:07:53,810\n問題非常多之前有媒體人找到一個詞叫點點點然後他那個例句叫做一男一女進到房間裡面接下來的事情點點點我不知道為什麼教育部的例句會有這種有點性暗示的例子還有一個是一個民眾跟我陳情的密西西比河你們的例句是密西西比河是美國中部大河是世界最長河流\n\n23\n00:07:54,673 --> 00:08:09,363\n那那個民眾講說根本不是啊,最長河流是尼羅河啊。對不對,然後有人認為是亞馬遜河,不管是哪一個河都不是密西西比河啊。結果民眾去陳情之後教育部的回文是說,啊這個問題我們要找專家研議一下。\n\n24\n00:08:10,043 --> 00:08:27,542\n我不知道說密西西比河不是世界最長河流為什麼要研議?是不是要找什麼尼羅河女兒還是誰來研議喔?這需要研議喔你只要Google你看維基百科跟大英百科全書都可以知道的事情為什麼要研議後來他是覺得教育不太官僚才跟我澄清結果我一PO臉書第二天就改了\n\n25\n00:08:28,283 --> 00:08:51,981\n所以我覺得這個教育部是你是面對那麼多的大家都關心的議題的單位結果民眾的陳情你們是如此的這個把他不當一回事都要找到民意代表所以我現在建議啦教育部因為既然大家對於這個從邊過於遲點都有那麼多的意見你們可不可以自己找專家還是什麼重新審視一遍不然你辦一個活動我建議你辦一個活動全民來找查\n\n26\n00:08:54,102 --> 00:09:09,108\n則說,變一點獎勵的措施,大家來看,歸於此點裡面有沒有什麼解釋不對的,或是例句不通的,或是例句有一些不適當的,只要能夠提供給教育部,教育部馬上改,而且給予一點獎勵,就可以趕快把這個此點把它修定嘛,好不好?\n\n27\n00:09:09,548 --> 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