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00:02:36,216\n包括剛剛說到這違反法令到底他根本就未設置上下船之安全設備以供工作者往返船使用然後沒有提供一般的安全衛生訓練然後沒有提供安全衛生工作守則這個局長想請問我要問為什麼你們說沒問題別人都看得出問題原因是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:39,287 --> 00:03:04,994\n報告委員在委員提醒之後我們就如同委員講的我們的確有同仁跟驗傳中心的同仁一起上去這個檢查這個船舶的這個安全的設施的狀況那我們事實上並不是說完全這個沒有意見沒有提醒你回我的文說沒有意見啊我沒有提醒你要我回你回我的文是說你沒有問題啊\n\n8\n00:03:06,583 --> 00:03:29,411\n可能文字上沒有表達很清楚什麼叫文字上表達沒有很清楚你回我的文就是說沒有問題那報告委員這部分我想我們再來做要求部長局長我想請問齁我們傳援相關的勞動權益是用傳援法來保障對不對那局長請問你覺得目前傳援法對於我們傳援的勞動權益的保障是足夠的嗎\n\n9\n00:03:32,198 --> 00:03:44,028\n對包圍傳言法基本上是這個保障傳言勞動權益的這個特別法對那所以他的相關條文的設計是基於這個問題足不足夠嘛\n\n10\n00:03:45,726 --> 00:04:03,947\n這個我想我們都有持續在做檢視不是什麼持續的檢視你當局長很多年了你對傳言法也非常非常熟悉我現在問以你的專業認為傳言法來保障我們傳言的勞動權益足不足夠又不是第一天上任又不是這禮拜才上任\n\n11\n00:04:05,839 --> 00:04:20,066\n這個部分我想我們最近的這個修正草案有針對不同這個航線型態的這個船員應該要給予不同的這個勞動條件的保障就讓我來給你看下面幾個新聞\n\n12\n00:04:22,183 --> 00:04:45,939\n這個新聞是6月12號臺中港這個灰風輪爆炸三名船員燒燙傷在下面一個這個是2022年10月臺中港德運輪維修作業的時候發生高處墜落的事件在下面一個2022年1月臺中港船員墜海事件再給你看一個這是2021年10月基隆港船員墜落的事件這麼多的事件擺在眼前\n\n13\n00:04:47,168 --> 00:05:14,238\n局長你覺得你要怎麼處理對我想我們會再加強要求還有這個查核這個這個局長你覺得這些問題的發生是我們的法規有問題還是執法有問題對我想執安會的這個部分的這個加強的查核我們應該有再加強這個查核跟監督的必要局長你現在這些講這些話這些用這些模糊的言詞今天真的沒有辦法\n\n14\n00:05:15,516 --> 00:05:40,758\n來再去搪塞了就像你剛才說你前面剛我叫你去勞檢的那一案子你說是他們中文表達有問題你看看後面是什麼樣狀況部長、次長也在現場齁這剛剛說的那位從6公尺高墜下來的船員他在去年的時候被公司解僱退保了這個解僱退保是他還在他就醫的期間被解僱退保\n\n15\n00:05:42,539 --> 00:06:04,765\n勞動部的職安署要求航港局去處理．結果今年的4月23號．航港局發了一個公文．成為船公司的幫兇．他在這個公文上面寫說．公司與船員簽訂船員定期僱傭契約為12個月．意思是說這個定期契約到期以後．他就不用再符合船員法22條．對勞工的保護了\n\n16\n00:06:07,362 --> 00:06:28,448\n這是航港局自己發出來的公文明明白白把自己的船員法22條捅了一個大洞跟船公司說只要定期7月到期後你就不用遵守了局長問你你們自己把自己的船員法22條捅了這麼一個大洞出來到底是不是受到\n\n17\n00:06:29,790 --> 00:06:51,552\n傳公司的施壓不然怎麼會做出這麼離譜的解釋報告委員並沒有所謂施壓的狀況那這部分我想已經提醒我們同仁這個在法定解釋上要更為謹慎周延那跟委員報告我們目前會盡快的發函給這個個案的傳言來澄清就在這個依照傳法22條的規定\n\n18\n00:06:53,334 --> 00:07:17,396\n他的這個醫療的這個相關的權益不會受到這個定期雇用契約期限屆期的影響局長從一開始我請你們去檢查你們說沒有問題別人檢查就檢出一堆問題你跟我說那只是你們公文寫的寫法有問題到今天你們出了這個韓文用這個方式成為船工社報告我要說其實現在航港局在船員勞動權益上面幾乎是一攤爛賬啊\n\n19\n00:07:19,295 --> 00:07:33,530\n我這樣形容並不為過一攤爛帳一堆船員都來跟我們說他們遇到質災的問題遇到勞資爭議的時候都是求助無門完全看不到航港局積極的作為一直在推卸局長\n\n20\n00:07:37,842 --> 00:07:46,712\n這部分我想我們會再做深入整體的檢討局長我再呈現下面一張統計表給你看再給我一點點時間這統計表是107年到111年航港局來統計各年度船員職災的人數\n\n21\n00:07:53,200 --> 00:08:01,684\n每個年份有兩艦、五艦、七艦、五艦111年只有一艦在這110年上面連我剛剛說的那一個從6公尺高摔下來的船員在上面都沒有啊?航港局真的相信你自己統計的這個數字是真的嗎?局長,你真的相信你們交出來的這個統計資料是真的嗎?\n\n22\n00:08:19,933 --> 00:08:23,537\n為什麼這些新聞上面明明都有的事件在上面都沒有你們有沒有掩蓋還是故意讓通報系統設計的對職災的船員不友善\n\n23\n00:08:34,182 --> 00:08:50,785\n我們會做這個通盤這個深入的檢討那如果有錯誤的資訊我們會做立即的盡快的更正局長我這邊在這邊跟你講的已經不是有個案我要跟次長講不是在講個案這整個保障船員勞動的系統根本就是一攤爛帳\n\n24\n00:08:55,285 --> 00:09:17,186\n部長我可不可以要求交通部至少要針對傳人權利的保障要有一個通盤的專案的檢討的計畫是委員這個應該做我要求每個月來跟我們辦公室匯報一次到底這個改善的計畫進行到什麼地方每一個環節是怎樣我跟您說這幾乎目前的對傳人的勞動權利保障幾乎是千瘡百孔的\n\n25\n00:09:18,637 --> 00:09:42,326\n報言這樣齁那個您剛提的統計資料第二個統計的過程事件第三個到底有哪些地方應該要再扣核都是該通報沒通報這幾件然後最後要解釋還成為船公司的幫兇先請航空局整理起來再跟您再跟您報告我們要求一個每個月來跟我們匯報一次到底針對船員權益保障的通盤檢討計畫的進度可以嗎是\n\n26\n00:09:45,643 --> 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我想執安會的這個部分的這個加強的查核我們應該有再加強這個查核跟監督的必要局長你現在這些講這些話這些用這些模糊的言詞今天真的沒有辦法\n來再去搪塞了就像你剛才說你前面剛我叫你去勞檢的那一案子你說是他們中文表達有問題你看看後面是什麼樣狀況部長、次長也在現場齁這剛剛說的那位從6公尺高墜下來的船員他在去年的時候被公司解僱退保了這個解僱退保是他還在他就醫的期間被解僱退保\n勞動部的職安署要求航港局去處理．結果今年的4月23號．航港局發了一個公文．成為船公司的幫兇．他在這個公文上面寫說．公司與船員簽訂船員定期僱傭契約為12個月．意思是說這個定期契約到期以後．他就不用再符合船員法22條．對勞工的保護了\n這是航港局自己發出來的公文明明白白把自己的船員法22條捅了一個大洞跟船公司說只要定期7月到期後你就不用遵守了局長問你你們自己把自己的船員法22條捅了這麼一個大洞出來到底是不是受到\n傳公司的施壓不然怎麼會做出這麼離譜的解釋報告委員並沒有所謂施壓的狀況那這部分我想已經提醒我們同仁這個在法定解釋上要更為謹慎周延那跟委員報告我們目前會盡快的發函給這個個案的傳言來澄清就在這個依照傳法22條的規定\n他的這個醫療的這個相關的權益不會受到這個定期雇用契約期限屆期的影響局長從一開始我請你們去檢查你們說沒有問題別人檢查就檢出一堆問題你跟我說那只是你們公文寫的寫法有問題到今天你們出了這個韓文用這個方式成為船工社報告我要說其實現在航港局在船員勞動權益上面幾乎是一攤爛賬啊\n我這樣形容並不為過一攤爛帳一堆船員都來跟我們說他們遇到質災的問題遇到勞資爭議的時候都是求助無門完全看不到航港局積極的作為一直在推卸局長\n這部分我想我們會再做深入整體的檢討局長我再呈現下面一張統計表給你看再給我一點點時間這統計表是107年到111年航港局來統計各年度船員職災的人數\n每個年份有兩艦、五艦、七艦、五艦111年只有一艦在這110年上面連我剛剛說的那一個從6公尺高摔下來的船員在上面都沒有啊?航港局真的相信你自己統計的這個數字是真的嗎?局長,你真的相信你們交出來的這個統計資料是真的嗎?\n為什麼這些新聞上面明明都有的事件在上面都沒有你們有沒有掩蓋還是故意讓通報系統設計的對職災的船員不友善\n我們會做這個通盤這個深入的檢討那如果有錯誤的資訊我們會做立即的盡快的更正局長我這邊在這邊跟你講的已經不是有個案我要跟次長講不是在講個案這整個保障船員勞動的系統根本就是一攤爛帳\n部長我可不可以要求交通部至少要針對傳人權利的保障要有一個通盤的專案的檢討的計畫是委員這個應該做我要求每個月來跟我們辦公室匯報一次到底這個改善的計畫進行到什麼地方每一個環節是怎樣我跟您說這幾乎目前的對傳人的勞動權利保障幾乎是千瘡百孔的\n報言這樣齁那個您剛提的統計資料第二個統計的過程事件第三個到底有哪些地方應該要再扣核都是該通報沒通報這幾件然後最後要解釋還成為船公司的幫兇先請航空局整理起來再跟您再跟您報告我們要求一個每個月來跟我們匯報一次到底針對船員權益保障的通盤檢討計畫的進度可以嗎是\n女配偶辦理我們一起處理王老闆次長這事情請你們一定要跟你們部長報告我已經忍無可忍這不是單一的個案從法規面也一起檢視是謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.236 --> 00:35.824\n請林次長跟香港局葉局長請葉局長委員好次長跟局長我想先請你們看一下這個新聞這是發生在2020年的一個新聞有一個交通船的船長在作業的時候因為他爬高所以從6公尺高的爬梯摔落\n\n00:36.983 --> 01:03.939\n摔落以後心路上面寫受傷可是最後他是重度的身障甚至已經有半身不遂的狀況目前還在這個醫療中那這個事件當時有三家媒體報導但這家公司完全沒有通報無論是通報航港局還是通報地方的勞工局都沒有通報那我在2022年的時候針對這個事件有請\n\n01:07.312 --> 01:36.166\n海港局到這艘船上去做職安狀況的檢查那來看看當時海港局回我的回文喔海港局都說沒有問題那報告裡面寫了什麼防罪啊寫說警察該公司已經提供什麼什麼什麼的還附上了佐證的資料但我後來再請地方的勞工局再去做職安的勞檢一次可以看一下\n\n01:37.250 --> 01:50.605\n有非常多違反法令的事情也就是剛剛航港局說的那些該公司已經提供資料他們附上的佐證的證據都只有購買的收據還有那些設備簽一張\n\n01:55.216 --> 02:12.765\n在往下都是報價單購買的收據可是這些設備到底有沒有使用其實並不知道但當時港港局一樣是回覆我沒有問題這家公司沒有問題但我叫地方勞工局也就是叫我們的這個職安署去檢查卻一大堆問題\n\n02:13.993 --> 02:36.216\n包括剛剛說到這違反法令到底他根本就未設置上下船之安全設備以供工作者往返船使用然後沒有提供一般的安全衛生訓練然後沒有提供安全衛生工作守則這個局長想請問我要問為什麼你們說沒問題別人都看得出問題原因是什麼\n\n02:39.287 --> 03:04.994\n報告委員在委員提醒之後我們就如同委員講的我們的確有同仁跟驗傳中心的同仁一起上去這個檢查這個船舶的這個安全的設施的狀況那我們事實上並不是說完全這個沒有意見沒有提醒你回我的文說沒有意見啊我沒有提醒你要我回你回我的文是說你沒有問題啊\n\n03:06.583 --> 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