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00:00:34,192\n是徐委員好部長好今天我們的專題報告是漢光四十號演習的規劃情形首先本席先表達我們非常支持國軍的防衛訓練但是呢在國軍防衛訓練的時候我們民眾的權益我們也希望部長可以了解聽一下我們第一線第一線的民眾的心聲\n\n2\n00:00:36,913 --> 00:00:54,807\n當然我們現在因為配合執政黨的抗中保台所以空軍越來越繁忙、頻繁的起降所以擾民的頻率也增加了首先本席在這裡要先跟部長溝通一個觀念\n\n3\n00:00:55,828 --> 00:01:09,062\n就是說我們的這個噪音,您應該可以了解現代人忍受噪音的容忍度跟5年前、10年前甚至20年前是不一樣的,這點部長您了解嗎?應該認同吧?\n\n4\n00:01:11,579 --> 00:01:25,374\n我的了解就是說確實我們現在面對的敵情嚴峻那空軍起降的次數是增加那時間上可能也沒有辦法因為他有時候甚至連夜間都會過來所以確實造成這個民眾在\n\n5\n00:01:30,118 --> 00:01:48,167\n對民眾的有一些干擾那這一點要請民眾能夠諒解民眾可以諒解啦但是國防部這邊可以對民眾的補償、補助民眾也希望國防部能夠多體恤啦我了解是有這個詳情是不是行\n\n6\n00:01:49,027 --> 00:02:13,492\n來本席接著講我們空軍司令部有說民國92年1月8日以前於飛機航道下有房屋使用執照合於規定者每戶補助門窗及冷氣3萬元但是92年以後新蓋的房子那因為噪音管制法已經修法而且法令已經公告所以不再補助範圍內\n\n7\n00:02:15,312 --> 00:02:43,921\n這一點本席要跟部長來溝通就是說請問誰會願意住在每天被飛機噪音影響的地方那當然有幾種可能一種就是他經濟能力有限他只好買在那裡那另一種就是他92年買的時候他根本不知道他是在管制區內所以呢我們因為92年那時候的飛機起降情況跟我們現在也是不一樣嘛\n\n8\n00:02:44,801 --> 00:03:02,935\n所以那個補助沿用那麼久之前的是不是我們可以民眾大家我一直強調我們的立場我們支持我們國軍防衛訓練但是民眾的權益是不是可以請部長這個部分也能夠幫忙\n\n9\n00:03:05,576 --> 00:03:26,481\n委員好,我是空軍參謀長曹敬平。其實我們的噪音補助跟時間或者是其他的飛機機種是沒有關係,是跟噪音的程度有關係。所以它的噪音只要按照我們監測,達到噪音的標準,它就會按照這個...講得好,講得好。其實這個噪音的程度,我也要請部長,還有您說您是...我是空軍參謀長。參謀長。\n\n10\n00:03:29,676 --> 00:03:46,186\n我們聽過一句話叫做滴水穿石那你知道一滴水一滴水誰怕他不怕嘛怕的是驚濤駭浪海嘯對不對可是滴水穿石他只要一直滴一直滴一直滴他可以穿石\n\n11\n00:03:46,926 --> 00:04:14,936\n所以噪音的分貝數在不到那個分貝那麼高的時候好像耳朵可以忍受但是如果長時間長期有多少人會崩潰這一塊要納入要考量啊所以包含你說我們這個重裝備我們背個幾十公斤在身上可以啊但是持續一年我跟你講身體絕對變形\n\n12\n00:04:16,604 --> 00:04:18,866\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n13\n00:04:35,561 --> 00:04:48,412\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等\n\n14\n00:05:01,784 --> 00:05:27,905\n依據空軍補助的村裡還有一個很有趣的現象我們新竹縣虎口鄉有一個鳳凰村鳳凰村隔壁是鳳山村鄉鄰嘛你鳳山村有補助但是鳳凰村就在鳳山村旁邊接近鳳山村的它的噪音跟鳳山村一樣但是鳳凰村沒有補助所以這一個部分\n\n15\n00:05:28,786 --> 00:05:43,425\n事不事可以重新來檢視?是,報告委員其實只要地方任何時候有需求他都可以提出來我們可以去做補監測這個動作然後再跟剛剛講到監測的我們真的要拜託一下你不能說比如說80分貝假設以80分貝\n\n16\n00:05:47,310 --> 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