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00:00:48,378\n主動來回報。那部長您當時的回答是說你有聽到相關的狀況。還請問部長後續我們有沒有來追蹤怎麼樣來改善、落實這個改革。我想我已經要求這個所有的單位那麼關於這個\n\n4\n00:00:51,758 --> 00:01:13,596\n要在官兵就休假離營之前就完成相關安全宣導以外,就是提要律定就是說休假的官兵遇到狀況才要主動回報,那這個我想在6我們已經以這個另頒這個全軍距離執行那如果說有任何的狀況我會納入這個\n\n5\n00:01:15,818 --> 00:01:17,360\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n6\n00:01:34,588 --> 00:02:00,761\n遇到狀況當然就是遇到他需要有碰到一些協助的需要我們來進行有需要協助的對的時候才需要來回報因為回報是為了我們要能夠來協助協助他不然我們不清楚他的狀況是好謝謝那我們也希望說這樣的改革能夠繼續來落實那這一次是社會各界大家都很關心啊我們的漢光四十號演習\n\n7\n00:02:01,874 --> 00:02:22,059\n要採用一個新的方式我看了媒體的報導下了一些標題有些媒體說漢光野心不演了漢光野心來真的那這一次其實主要是說我們去改變了以往是預演展示的形式改以無劇本去中心化的方式來進行我看到國防部的說法是說這樣會比較貼近我們實兵的操演\n\n8\n00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:45,691\n那這是不是就跟我們取消刺槍術、取消梯陣不一樣,我們希望整體的國軍可以朝向跟去除形式主義化、實戰訓練化的方式來進行呢?我們的想法是怎麼樣?對,我們主要的目的就是在驗證他們這個平時這個實戰化訓練的成果以及他們是不是能夠執行聯合作戰計畫。\n\n9\n00:02:46,812 --> 00:03:09,039\n那所謂無劇本並不是說漫天的這個方式可以下令這個說任何的一個草案,他還是要由統裁部依照抵可能行動來下一個想定的主軸那在這個主軸之下各級的這個指揮官、主管他就要按照他的任務然後來做一個沒有先\n\n10\n00:03:10,940 --> 00:03:34,203\n就直接先告訴他說這要怎麼樣怎麼樣,他就照劇本這樣抄但是他這一個依照他的任務範圍之內他進行這樣子的一個連續性的一個下達這些科目的抄演然後來展現他這個平時訓練然後還有我們的聯合作案計畫是不是能夠到位這樣子\n\n11\n00:03:34,883 --> 00:03:50,436\n那其中去中心化的這個模式是指什麼樣的方式?去中心化就是說過去都是下面就是在等上面的依令嘛那現在就是說我們要假設說這個指管的系統可能會斷掉\n\n12\n00:03:51,477 --> 00:04:14,708\n那他就要知道說上級的任務是什麼所以在這樣子的時候他要理解他要完成的任務是什麼所以即使是沒有上面的指管沒有上面的指揮下來他還是知道他應該要的任務是什麼然後他結合這個交戰規則他要去讓他能夠自行決策來果斷的執行他應該要完成的任務\n\n13\n00:04:15,328 --> 00:04:30,613\n是當然我沒有當過兵但是我們都有很多家人當過兵聽過很多當兵的故事過去為什麼大家會害怕去中心化就是因為這個決策層每一個層級他會害怕萬一我決策了如果怎麼樣會不會上級長官會不會責備我\n\n14\n00:04:33,174 --> 00:04:38,638\n或是最後會不會是我要扛責任等等所以我想我們這一次示範這個去中心化也要給每一個決策層級充分的支持讓他們能夠像部長你剛剛講的能夠勇敢果斷的來決策才是我們要達到的事情對這個軍中的文化我們要來逐步的透過這樣的演習來加以不斷的改變然後這樣的一個授權之後然後來自行決策果斷執行這樣子的一個層面\n\n15\n00:05:01,613 --> 00:05:25,272\n必須要透過這樣的一個演練來逐步的讓他們能夠理解而不是單純的一直等待上級的或者是整個到達這個我們講說最高的指揮層級給他一個下命令那下面才能夠進行作戰這樣子的一個思維的模式我想在第一次演練的時候一定會有一些狀況但是我們不斷透過這樣子演練應該會讓這個\n\n16\n00:05:29,675 --> 00:05:47,524\n國軍的這個戰力會有效的提升是,我們這次演習當中很重要一部分也包括了全民防衛動員能量那我們賴清德總統也成立了全社會防衛任性委員會所以全民防衛是絕對是我們未來很重要的一環那我過去有發現說因為我目前是國防部的全動署\n\n17\n00:05:48,604 --> 00:06:16,579\n是在我們行政院這個匯報當中的幕僚單位但是我們的基層民防他有我們的義消、義警包括民防像我們的以萬華區來說我們的民防常訓每年常訓我們每年都去的那也謝謝像我們上校都會在我們常訓課程當中來幫我們上全民國防的議題但是我們的權動署、國防部如何跟我們警政署、消防署這些相關的跨部會的單位能夠有一個協調的機制讓我們的這個全民防衛\n\n18\n00:06:17,239 --> 00:06:35,904\n在暫時的時候,倘若是權動署要來指揮,但在平時怎麼樣有一個更好的協調?我想權動署只是作為一個執行秘書的一個單位。如果就整個跨部會的這樣全社會防衛的韌性,總統現在也成立一個委員會,那另外在行政院也有政委來做跨部會的協調。\n\n19\n00:06:36,844 --> 00:06:37,364\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2\n\n20\n00:06:53,234 --> 00:07:09,022\n委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇\n\n21\n00:07:21,044 --> 00:07:36,145\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等2三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員\n\n22\n00:07:39,148 --> 00:07:55,012\n三、審查本院委員黃仁等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王鴻薇等24人、委員王�\n\n23\n00:08:11,403 --> 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