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00:00:39,406\n我從20……有沒有超過五次?2020年5月20以來應該是幾次了?應該四次。我講的是過去啦,現在漢光要四十號啦。漢光演習在屏東,你是四次。我當副市長你當了八年啦,看的次數可能不下於你。\n\n3\n00:00:40,587 --> 00:01:03,448\n過去我們屏東的恆春地區、恆春半島地區都有一個民意代表有一個有點半開玩笑的建議說漢光演習火力展示很好看應該把它規劃成一個觀光資源照來觀光客尤其是在冬天落山峰的時候請漢光演習移到那個冬季落山峰來執行我們可以讓觀光客來參觀漢光演習你覺得這樣的說法您有覺得什麼地方怪怪的嗎?\n\n4\n00:01:05,866 --> 00:01:30,342\n我印象很深刻是有一次就是他有一個漢光演習的時候火力展示,那我們就在那個很大的一個台子上面,參觀台上面,那這個火力的展示是還蠻威武的,但是很明顯的是一種展示性、表演性質的一種。是,從漢光十一號之後呢,漢光一期在地方人看起來是一種火力展示,是一個秀。\n\n5\n00:01:30,922 --> 00:01:43,828\n而不是一個實戰所以對這次部長只是要做實戰化的一個趨勢大家很肯定好但是接下來我們有更務實的說法來請看請問一下部長過去共軍共機共建老台的航機當中哪些地方比較常被騷擾哪些地方比較少被騷擾\n\n6\n00:01:46,511 --> 00:02:03,220\n現在已經沒有辦法做這樣子的一個區隔了,過去是越過中線。其實我們做過統計往下看,其實大概是巴士海峽涵蓋我國跟菲律賓的防空識別區ADIZ,這個部分他們比較少去過去,是不是這樣子?\n\n7\n00:02:04,212 --> 00:02:31,949\n有沒有這樣的統計?這個地方我們所知道的,據我們所知道的內情人士說這個地方,為什麼?因為你當過負責國安,因為容易跟菲律賓引起緊張,是不是這樣子?可是我們的AZR的西南面,現在跟東南面他們也都常見。對,但是靠巴士海峽這邊呢,過去比較少來往下看。所以就一個問題啦,如果未來兩岸有進行到這個開戰的情況,我們西部的戰機是不是會戰力移轉到東部去?\n\n8\n00:02:34,844 --> 00:02:52,457\n我們會分散式的配置,但是詳細的情況我想可能不宜…當然,但是我們知道這個戰力移轉是很重要的,那因為我屏東有一個戰略空軍,就是六聯隊,六聯隊跟其他的聯隊、戰鬥機聯隊不太一樣,請問一下如果他戰力保存、戰力轉進要到哪裡去?\n\n9\n00:02:53,718 --> 00:02:56,342\n其實有沒有可能往其他的國家,譬如說菲律賓,其實這不是沒有可能的。\n\n10\n00:03:09,381 --> 00:03:32,159\n過去我們的C13棟曾經去做過人道救援飛到菲律賓飛到更遠的國家都有去過所以這邊請你思考一點就是說當未來遇到這樣子狀況的時候我們可能我們的戰力保存需要各種的可能性都要考量進去菲律賓也不視為是一個未來可以戰略上結盟的地方這個時候屏東有個武里亭機場啊他可能就是一個在主跑道被破壞的情況下他一個備將跑道有沒有這樣的規劃\n\n11\n00:03:36,018 --> 00:03:53,015\n你們對於屏東武里秦機場、恆州武里秦機場有沒有了解?我的了解是武里秦機場的跑道的長度是不夠的。過去我們屏東想要發展觀光,一直希望把它跑道方向移轉,避免落山風。第二是長度加強,讓大型客機可以降。後來發現都是一場夢。為什麼?\n\n12\n00:03:56,078 --> 00:04:12,319\n因為他那裡實在不適合大型的客機起降但是對於我們空軍戰機他的耐後性上來講跑道只要適度的延伸就可以作為我們六聯隊各項戰略空軍機種的停降的一個備援跑道請問空軍看法怎麼樣\n\n13\n00:04:15,748 --> 00:04:39,036\n報告委員您這個提議我們大概還要再納入更周延的考量,因為到過去沒有這樣的研究,我們未來再做質詢就再跟您報告。我們連戰力移轉有沒有可能考慮要用菲律賓,這個都要列入你們的思考。最後,部長。其實呢,除了作戰之外,我們來看一下,台灣的空港、台灣的機場,不是只有空軍在使用,是不是有民航機在使用,是不是有貨機在使用。\n\n14\n00:04:40,630 --> 00:04:43,252\n民航機場起降幾年前培洛西萊是降在哪個機場?\n\n15\n00:04:53,738 --> 00:05:10,243\n桃園機場離對岸很近嘛他一隻手伸出來就扼住你的掐住你的咽喉了嘛所以這個時候呢作為一個客機的主要起降機場桃園機場在暫時或面對經濟封鎖的時候他有很高的一個被封鎖性但是呢台灣其實啊按照某位名人的說法\n\n16\n00:05:10,723 --> 00:05:37,944\n只要貨能貨出去人進來人沒有進來沒關係台灣的半導體晶片能夠出口我們就比較不擔心經濟封鎖請問部長你知道台灣的晶片是坐飛機坐船還是怎麼樣用陸運嗎應該大部分用空運用空運對所以一個輸出的出口的空運的國際機場維持台灣在緊張狀態下能夠持續出口很重要你覺得如果出口的貨機機場放在哪裡比較有可能不會被封鎖\n\n17\n00:05:39,448 --> 00:06:02,317\n我都給你秀出來了。其實就是跟空軍概念一樣因為南部的ADS呢我們比較在平常就會通過一個渠道所用所以最後兩點呢請部長簡短的回應有沒有可能評估恆生機場延伸以作為戰略機種的一個倍降起這樣的可能性第二個當面臨經濟火種的時候如果南部有個貨運機場是不是比較能夠維持台灣的生產運輸請簡短回答\n\n18\n00:06:06,335 --> 00:06:28,314\n我只能說我們納入評估的項目,我沒有辦法做一個明確具體的承諾。那你可不可以用一個嘗試性的判斷,有沒有可行性值得你去評估?我們要做,先要做可行性的評估。是的,是的,所以又是請你做可行性的評估。以上說的是結合部分的嘗試跟部分的專業所提出來的建議,請部長的慎重考量。\n\n19\n00:06:29,815 --> 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--> 00:10.574\n議員先進。列席的政府監事長、官員、會長、工作夥伴、媒體記者女士先生。有請顧部長。請顧部長。需要的可能是空軍人員陪同。請。請空軍參謀長。部長,過去您看過漢光演習嗎?幾次?\n\n00:20.946 --> 00:39.406\n我從20……有沒有超過五次?2020年5月20以來應該是幾次了?應該四次。我講的是過去啦,現在漢光要四十號啦。漢光演習在屏東,你是四次。我當副市長你當了八年啦,看的次數可能不下於你。\n\n00:40.587 --> 01:03.448\n過去我們屏東的恆春地區、恆春半島地區都有一個民意代表有一個有點半開玩笑的建議說漢光演習火力展示很好看應該把它規劃成一個觀光資源照來觀光客尤其是在冬天落山峰的時候請漢光演習移到那個冬季落山峰來執行我們可以讓觀光客來參觀漢光演習你覺得這樣的說法您有覺得什麼地方怪怪的嗎?\n\n01:05.866 --> 01:30.342\n我印象很深刻是有一次就是他有一個漢光演習的時候火力展示,那我們就在那個很大的一個台子上面,參觀台上面,那這個火力的展示是還蠻威武的,但是很明顯的是一種展示性、表演性質的一種。是,從漢光十一號之後呢,漢光一期在地方人看起來是一種火力展示,是一個秀。\n\n01:30.922 --> 01:43.828\n而不是一個實戰所以對這次部長只是要做實戰化的一個趨勢大家很肯定好但是接下來我們有更務實的說法來請看請問一下部長過去共軍共機共建老台的航機當中哪些地方比較常被騷擾哪些地方比較少被騷擾\n\n01:46.511 --> 02:03.220\n現在已經沒有辦法做這樣子的一個區隔了,過去是越過中線。其實我們做過統計往下看,其實大概是巴士海峽涵蓋我國跟菲律賓的防空識別區ADIZ,這個部分他們比較少去過去,是不是這樣子?\n\n02:04.212 --> 02:31.949\n有沒有這樣的統計?這個地方我們所知道的,據我們所知道的內情人士說這個地方,為什麼?因為你當過負責國安,因為容易跟菲律賓引起緊張,是不是這樣子?可是我們的AZR的西南面,現在跟東南面他們也都常見。對,但是靠巴士海峽這邊呢,過去比較少來往下看。所以就一個問題啦,如果未來兩岸有進行到這個開戰的情況,我們西部的戰機是不是會戰力移轉到東部去?\n\n02:34.844 --> 02:52.457\n我們會分散式的配置,但是詳細的情況我想可能不宜…當然,但是我們知道這個戰力移轉是很重要的,那因為我屏東有一個戰略空軍,就是六聯隊,六聯隊跟其他的聯隊、戰鬥機聯隊不太一樣,請問一下如果他戰力保存、戰力轉進要到哪裡去?\n\n02:53.718 --> 02:56.342\n其實有沒有可能往其他的國家,譬如說菲律賓,其實這不是沒有可能的。\n\n03:09.381 --> 03:32.159\n過去我們的C13棟曾經去做過人道救援飛到菲律賓飛到更遠的國家都有去過所以這邊請你思考一點就是說當未來遇到這樣子狀況的時候我們可能我們的戰力保存需要各種的可能性都要考量進去菲律賓也不視為是一個未來可以戰略上結盟的地方這個時候屏東有個武里亭機場啊他可能就是一個在主跑道被破壞的情況下他一個備將跑道有沒有這樣的規劃\n\n03:36.018 --> 03:53.015\n你們對於屏東武里秦機場、恆州武里秦機場有沒有了解?我的了解是武里秦機場的跑道的長度是不夠的。過去我們屏東想要發展觀光,一直希望把它跑道方向移轉,避免落山風。第二是長度加強,讓大型客機可以降。後來發現都是一場夢。為什麼?\n\n03:56.078 --> 04:12.319\n因為他那裡實在不適合大型的客機起降但是對於我們空軍戰機他的耐後性上來講跑道只要適度的延伸就可以作為我們六聯隊各項戰略空軍機種的停降的一個備援跑道請問空軍看法怎麼樣\n\n04:15.748 --> 04:39.036\n報告委員您這個提議我們大概還要再納入更周延的考量,因為到過去沒有這樣的研究,我們未來再做質詢就再跟您報告。我們連戰力移轉有沒有可能考慮要用菲律賓,這個都要列入你們的思考。最後,部長。其實呢,除了作戰之外,我們來看一下,台灣的空港、台灣的機場,不是只有空軍在使用,是不是有民航機在使用,是不是有貨機在使用。\n\n04:40.630 --> 04:43.252\n民航機場起降幾年前培洛西萊是降在哪個機場?\n\n04:53.738 --> 05:10.243\n桃園機場離對岸很近嘛他一隻手伸出來就扼住你的掐住你的咽喉了嘛所以這個時候呢作為一個客機的主要起降機場桃園機場在暫時或面對經濟封鎖的時候他有很高的一個被封鎖性但是呢台灣其實啊按照某位名人的說法\n\n05:10.723 --> 05:37.944\n只要貨能貨出去人進來人沒有進來沒關係台灣的半導體晶片能夠出口我們就比較不擔心經濟封鎖請問部長你知道台灣的晶片是坐飛機坐船還是怎麼樣用陸運嗎應該大部分用空運用空運對所以一個輸出的出口的空運的國際機場維持台灣在緊張狀態下能夠持續出口很重要你覺得如果出口的貨機機場放在哪裡比較有可能不會被封鎖\n\n05:39.448 --> 06:02.317\n我都給你秀出來了。其實就是跟空軍概念一樣因為南部的ADS呢我們比較在平常就會通過一個渠道所用所以最後兩點呢請部長簡短的回應有沒有可能評估恆生機場延伸以作為戰略機種的一個倍降起這樣的可能性第二個當面臨經濟火種的時候如果南部有個貨運機場是不是比較能夠維持台灣的生產運輸請簡短回答\n\n06:06.335 --> 06:28.314\n我只能說我們納入評估的項目,我沒有辦法做一個明確具體的承諾。那你可不可以用一個嘗試性的判斷,有沒有可行性值得你去評估?我們要做,先要做可行性的評估。是的,是的,所以又是請你做可行性的評估。以上說的是結合部分的嘗試跟部分的專業所提出來的建議,請部長的慎重考量。\n\n06:29.815 --> 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