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00:02:29,225\n其實也是就是他的一個主權再來對台灣的參與國際組織這個也沒有因為這個決議而有所限制所以這些都像是我想中共在法律戰然後需要落實到聯合國跟周邊的組織這件事情也引起了一些反應所以這個也是我們的一個機會之窗\n\n8\n00:02:30,006 --> 00:02:58,720\n所以有威脅也有機會那我們就要更努力來從理念相近的國家一起來推動所以我們還是會積極爭取這個interpol的這個觀察員的這個身份嘛可是呢就像這些聲明大家都理解可是似乎中國也不會理會這些聲明嘛對不對而且像國際刑警組織裡面他的這個執行委員會的這個重要成員之一就是包含了這個中國所以您覺得我們真的有機會加入嗎\n\n9\n00:02:59,820 --> 00:03:02,685\n我一定是使盡所有的辦法來干擾\n\n10\n00:03:04,398 --> 00:03:33,762\n當然要累積能量其實不斷地去推動尤其是我們公共訊息的溝通更多人了解的時候就發現說原來中共所扭曲的2758決議並沒有涉及所謂一中原則也沒有排除台灣的國際組織的參與也沒有限制他們跟台灣建立外交關係所以這個都需要去宣傳這個也是當前在做的\n\n11\n00:03:34,122 --> 00:03:44,175\n至於說不斷的去這個我們透過各種方式去參與這個有意義的參與的方式也非常多種這個也是我們要努力的地方\n\n12\n00:03:45,054 --> 00:04:03,293\nOK好謝謝外交部還是要積極來努力加入這些國際組織那目前國際刑警組織它有196國那包含了一些極權國家而且在資軍委員會裡面其實也有含了一些極權國家在裡面所以我們可能還有很長的路要走本席是這麼認為\n\n13\n00:04:04,534 --> 00:04:21,373\n那過去呢其實國際刑警組織有一些讓國際人權組織覺得有非議的地方就是有一些極權國家比如說中國、俄羅斯他們是透過這個國際刑警組織的紅色通緝令呢來棄拿這個\n\n14\n00:04:24,016 --> 00:04:32,965\n所以我們不曉得新任的秘書長能不能就是保持中立像過去雖然說德國的這個Stopp他是拒絕了台灣的這個申請像光產員身份他覺得他只承認OneChinaPolicy可是問題是在他主政的10年當中他認為說這些紅色追緝令必須還是要經過審查\n\n15\n00:04:48,240 --> 00:05:10,235\n可是我們不曉得新任的秘書長他會怎麼來處理這件事情因為像過去的話像中國中國他曾經就是透過這紅色的通緝令比如說他就像世界維吾爾大會的主席多里昆艾莎就是被中國視為恐怖分子他向世界刑警組織申請這個拘捕令\n\n16\n00:05:12,717 --> 00:05:14,157\n維權人士艾伊也曾經在摩納哥被拘留,到後來被遣返回中國本席會講這點是因為在6月21日的時候,中國頒布了懲治台獨的規定\n\n17\n00:05:35,342 --> 00:05:51,674\n他公布了這個懲罪台獨分裂國家、煽動分裂國家等22條這個規定他所謂的就是說如果違反分裂國家犯罪最終可以處死刑最速期是20年那他認為的這些分裂國家犯罪呢就是他所稱的台獨頑固分子\n\n18\n00:05:54,742 --> 00:06:15,240\n臺灣有很多的政治人物比如說我們的前行政院長蘇貞昌也被點名吳釗燮我們的前部長也被點名甚至有一些媒體人也被點名我們所擔心的就是說這些他現在認為說這些所謂的他名單當中的臺獨頑固分子他們其實就是觸犯了分裂國家犯罪那如果這些\n\n19\n00:06:16,081 --> 00:06:16,201\n確實要很……\n\n20\n00:06:39,553 --> 00:06:39,814\n：羅美玲議員\n\n21\n00:06:54,905 --> 00:07:15,518\n當然我們也有這個訓練外管我們怎麼樣去做預防跟因應那但是因為紅色通報也不是逮捕令他主要還是要涉及到當地國他的本國的法律這就涉及到所謂的司法互助跟這一個這一個所謂的這個這個\n\n22\n00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:19,940\n主席\n\n23\n00:07:35,291 --> 00:07:54,821\n但是呢當然怎麼樣去跟當地國做溝通那以及我們提醒國人要注意外管要協助針對這些事情有非常多的樣態比如你剛剛提到的像有關於新疆維吾爾族有一些人權人士被中國他們\n\n24\n00:07:56,874 --> 00:08:02,599\n因為過去曾經是有過被濫用、劣跡斑斑的事情發生,那台灣不得不注意,剛剛部長你所講的我們必須要預防,我們必須要跟國人來告知這個危險性,可是我到目前為止外交部好像比你們還沒有做這些動作對不對?\n\n25\n00:08:23,437 --> 00:08:52,357\n像我們就政府就發布陳設警戒對於這個旅遊那同樣有一些國家我們也做過統計那這些國家我們已經會就是訓練外管特別要注意就是有涉及到他們建交簽訂有一中原則又加上這個司法互助跟所謂的這個遣送相關的這個條約這個就是第一級我們特別要注意的\n\n26\n00:08:52,657 --> 00:08:52,757\n我們會加強\n\n27\n00:09:26,425 --> 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那我們就要更努力來從理念相近的國家一起來推動所以我們還是會積極爭取這個interpol的這個觀察員的這個身份嘛可是呢就像這些聲明大家都理解可是似乎中國也不會理會這些聲明嘛對不對而且像國際刑警組織裡面他的這個執行委員會的這個重要成員之一就是包含了這個中國所以您覺得我們真的有機會加入嗎\n179820\t182685\t我一定是使盡所有的辦法來干擾\n184398\t213762\t當然要累積能量其實不斷地去推動尤其是我們公共訊息的溝通更多人了解的時候就發現說原來中共所扭曲的2758決議並沒有涉及所謂一中原則也沒有排除台灣的國際組織的參與也沒有限制他們跟台灣建立外交關係所以這個都需要去宣傳這個也是當前在做的\n214122\t224175\t至於說不斷的去這個我們透過各種方式去參與這個有意義的參與的方式也非常多種這個也是我們要努力的地方\n225054\t243293\tOK 好 謝謝外交部還是要積極來努力加入這些國際組織那目前國際刑警組織它有196國那包含了一些極權國家而且在資軍委員會裡面其實也有含了一些極權國家在裡面所以我們可能還有很長的路要走本席是這麼認為\n244534\t261373\t那過去呢其實國際刑警組織有一些讓國際人權組織覺得有非議的地方就是有一些極權國家比如說中國、俄羅斯他們是透過這個國際刑警組織的紅色通緝令呢來棄拿這個\n264016\t272965\t所以我們不曉得新任的秘書長能不能就是保持中立像過去雖然說德國的這個Stopp他是拒絕了台灣的這個申請像光產員身份他覺得他只承認One China Policy可是問題是在他主政的10年當中他認為說這些紅色追緝令必須還是要經過審查\n288240\t310235\t可是我們不曉得新任的秘書長他會怎麼來處理這件事情因為像過去的話像中國中國他曾經就是透過這紅色的通緝令比如說他就像世界維吾爾大會的主席多里昆艾莎就是被中國視為恐怖分子他向世界刑警組織申請這個拘捕令\n312717\t314157\t維權人士艾伊也曾經在摩納哥被拘留,到後來被遣返回中國本席會講這點是因為在6月21日的時候,中國頒布了懲治台獨的規定\n335342\t351674\t他公布了這個懲罪台獨分裂國家、煽動分裂國家等22條這個規定他所謂的就是說如果違反分裂國家犯罪最終可以處死刑最速期是20年那他認為的這些分裂國家犯罪呢就是他所稱的台獨頑固分子\n354742\t375240\t臺灣有很多的政治人物比如說我們的前行政院長蘇貞昌也被點名吳釗燮我們的前部長也被點名甚至有一些媒體人也被點名我們所擔心的就是說這些他現在認為說這些所謂的他名單當中的臺獨頑固分子他們其實就是觸犯了分裂國家犯罪那如果這些\n376081\t376201\t確實要很……\n399553\t399814\t：羅美玲議員\n414905\t435518\t當然我們也有這個訓練外管我們怎麼樣去做預防跟因應那但是因為紅色通報也不是逮捕令他主要還是要涉及到當地國他的本國的法律這就涉及到所謂的司法互助跟這一個這一個所謂的這個這個\n439560\t439940\t主席\n455291\t474821\t但是呢當然怎麼樣去跟當地國做溝通那以及我們提醒國人要注意外管要協助針對這些事情有非常多的樣態比如你剛剛提到的像有關於新疆維吾爾族有一些人權人士被中國他們\n476874\t482599\t因為過去曾經是有過被濫用、劣跡斑斑的事情發生,那台灣不得不注意,剛剛部長你所講的我們必須要預防,我們必須要跟國人來告知這個危險性,可是我到目前為止外交部好像比你們還沒有做這些動作對不對?\n503437\t532357\t像我們就政府就發布陳設警戒對於這個旅遊那同樣有一些國家我們也做過統計那這些國家我們已經會就是訓練外管特別要注意就是有涉及到他們建交簽訂有一中原則又加上這個司法互助跟所謂的這個遣送相關的這個條約這個就是第一級我們特別要注意的\n532657\t532757\t我們會加強\n566425\t568632\t謝謝接下來請陳永康委員上台質詢\n","txt":"請林部長\n國際刑警組織在6月25號經由執行委員會的投票選出了巴西的候選人伍吉莎成為新一任的秘書長而且伍吉莎是以壓倒性的票數完勝英國跟上比亞的候選人\n這也是該組織有史以來第一位來自開發中國家的秘書長那伍吉莎他會在今年的11月就會正式上任然後現任的秘書長也是來自德國的Stone他即將結束10年的這個任期其實台灣這麼多年以來一直都在積極地爭取觀察員的這個身份可是在2022年的時候現任的秘書長Stone他就說\n他表示國際情景組織只承認中華人民共和國是中國唯一的代表他還說台灣是中國的一部分所以沒有辦法給予台灣觀察員的身份那時候我們外交部又表達了遺憾跟不滿我們新任的秘書長即將上任了來自巴西的秘書長他在11月\n臺灣是否還會繼續爭取我們觀察員的身份?\n其實最近國際情勢的發展大家也在檢討2758號決議它的內容那美國也很明確的表達包括其實2758號決議並沒有去背書或等同或者是反映這個所謂的一中原則而這個世界各國跟臺灣進行這個交往\n其實也是就是他的一個主權再來對台灣的參與國際組織這個也沒有因為這個決議而有所限制所以這些都像是我想中共在法律戰然後需要落實到聯合國跟周邊的組織這件事情也引起了一些反應所以這個也是我們的一個機會之窗\n所以有威脅也有機會 那我們就要更努力來從理念相近的國家一起來推動所以我們還是會積極爭取這個interpol的這個觀察員的這個身份嘛可是呢就像這些聲明大家都理解可是似乎中國也不會理會這些聲明嘛對不對而且像國際刑警組織裡面他的這個執行委員會的這個重要成員之一就是包含了這個中國所以您覺得我們真的有機會加入嗎\n我一定是使盡所有的辦法來干擾\n當然要累積能量其實不斷地去推動尤其是我們公共訊息的溝通更多人了解的時候就發現說原來中共所扭曲的2758決議並沒有涉及所謂一中原則也沒有排除台灣的國際組織的參與也沒有限制他們跟台灣建立外交關係所以這個都需要去宣傳這個也是當前在做的\n至於說不斷的去這個我們透過各種方式去參與這個有意義的參與的方式也非常多種這個也是我們要努力的地方\nOK 好 謝謝外交部還是要積極來努力加入這些國際組織那目前國際刑警組織它有196國那包含了一些極權國家而且在資軍委員會裡面其實也有含了一些極權國家在裡面所以我們可能還有很長的路要走本席是這麼認為\n那過去呢其實國際刑警組織有一些讓國際人權組織覺得有非議的地方就是有一些極權國家比如說中國、俄羅斯他們是透過這個國際刑警組織的紅色通緝令呢來棄拿這個\n所以我們不曉得新任的秘書長能不能就是保持中立像過去雖然說德國的這個Stopp他是拒絕了台灣的這個申請像光產員身份他覺得他只承認One China Policy可是問題是在他主政的10年當中他認為說這些紅色追緝令必須還是要經過審查\n可是我們不曉得新任的秘書長他會怎麼來處理這件事情因為像過去的話像中國中國他曾經就是透過這紅色的通緝令比如說他就像世界維吾爾大會的主席多里昆艾莎就是被中國視為恐怖分子他向世界刑警組織申請這個拘捕令\n維權人士艾伊也曾經在摩納哥被拘留,到後來被遣返回中國本席會講這點是因為在6月21日的時候,中國頒布了懲治台獨的規定\n他公布了這個懲罪台獨分裂國家、煽動分裂國家等22條這個規定他所謂的就是說如果違反分裂國家犯罪最終可以處死刑最速期是20年那他認為的這些分裂國家犯罪呢就是他所稱的台獨頑固分子\n臺灣有很多的政治人物比如說我們的前行政院長蘇貞昌也被點名吳釗燮我們的前部長也被點名甚至有一些媒體人也被點名我們所擔心的就是說這些他現在認為說這些所謂的他名單當中的臺獨頑固分子他們其實就是觸犯了分裂國家犯罪那如果這些\n確實要很……\n：羅美玲議員\n當然我們也有這個訓練外管我們怎麼樣去做預防跟因應那但是因為紅色通報也不是逮捕令他主要還是要涉及到當地國他的本國的法律這就涉及到所謂的司法互助跟這一個這一個所謂的這個這個\n主席\n但是呢當然怎麼樣去跟當地國做溝通那以及我們提醒國人要注意外管要協助針對這些事情有非常多的樣態比如你剛剛提到的像有關於新疆維吾爾族有一些人權人士被中國他們\n因為過去曾經是有過被濫用、劣跡斑斑的事情發生,那台灣不得不注意,剛剛部長你所講的我們必須要預防,我們必須要跟國人來告知這個危險性,可是我到目前為止外交部好像比你們還沒有做這些動作對不對?\n像我們就政府就發布陳設警戒對於這個旅遊那同樣有一些國家我們也做過統計那這些國家我們已經會就是訓練外管特別要注意就是有涉及到他們建交簽訂有一中原則又加上這個司法互助跟所謂的這個遣送相關的這個條約這個就是第一級我們特別要注意的\n我們會加強\n謝謝接下來請陳永康委員上台質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:00.150\n請林部長\n\n00:10.959 --> 00:14.460\n國際刑警組織在6月25號經由執行委員會的投票選出了巴西的候選人伍吉莎成為新一任的秘書長而且伍吉莎是以壓倒性的票數完勝英國跟上比亞的候選人\n\n00:33.145 --> 01:00.117\n這也是該組織有史以來第一位來自開發中國家的秘書長那伍吉莎他會在今年的11月就會正式上任然後現任的秘書長也是來自德國的Stone他即將結束10年的這個任期其實台灣這麼多年以來一直都在積極地爭取觀察員的這個身份可是在2022年的時候現任的秘書長Stone他就說\n\n01:01.698 --> 01:15.882\n他表示國際情景組織只承認中華人民共和國是中國唯一的代表他還說台灣是中國的一部分所以沒有辦法給予台灣觀察員的身份那時候我們外交部又表達了遺憾跟不滿我們新任的秘書長即將上任了來自巴西的秘書長他在11月\n\n01:26.425 --> 01:27.086\n臺灣是否還會繼續爭取我們觀察員的身份?\n\n01:35.172 --> 01:58.569\n其實最近國際情勢的發展大家也在檢討2758號決議它的內容那美國也很明確的表達包括其實2758號決議並沒有去背書或等同或者是反映這個所謂的一中原則而這個世界各國跟臺灣進行這個交往\n\n02:03.826 --> 02:29.225\n其實也是就是他的一個主權再來對台灣的參與國際組織這個也沒有因為這個決議而有所限制所以這些都像是我想中共在法律戰然後需要落實到聯合國跟周邊的組織這件事情也引起了一些反應所以這個也是我們的一個機會之窗\n\n02:30.006 --> 02:58.720\n所以有威脅也有機會那我們就要更努力來從理念相近的國家一起來推動所以我們還是會積極爭取這個interpol的這個觀察員的這個身份嘛可是呢就像這些聲明大家都理解可是似乎中國也不會理會這些聲明嘛對不對而且像國際刑警組織裡面他的這個執行委員會的這個重要成員之一就是包含了這個中國所以您覺得我們真的有機會加入嗎\n\n02:59.820 --> 03:02.685\n我一定是使盡所有的辦法來干擾\n\n03:04.398 --> 03:33.762\n當然要累積能量其實不斷地去推動尤其是我們公共訊息的溝通更多人了解的時候就發現說原來中共所扭曲的2758決議並沒有涉及所謂一中原則也沒有排除台灣的國際組織的參與也沒有限制他們跟台灣建立外交關係所以這個都需要去宣傳這個也是當前在做的\n\n03:34.122 --> 03:44.175\n至於說不斷的去這個我們透過各種方式去參與這個有意義的參與的方式也非常多種這個也是我們要努力的地方\n\n03:45.054 --> 04:03.293\nOK好謝謝外交部還是要積極來努力加入這些國際組織那目前國際刑警組織它有196國那包含了一些極權國家而且在資軍委員會裡面其實也有含了一些極權國家在裡面所以我們可能還有很長的路要走本席是這麼認為\n\n04:04.534 --> 04:21.373\n那過去呢其實國際刑警組織有一些讓國際人權組織覺得有非議的地方就是有一些極權國家比如說中國、俄羅斯他們是透過這個國際刑警組織的紅色通緝令呢來棄拿這個\n\n04:24.016 --> 04:32.965\n所以我們不曉得新任的秘書長能不能就是保持中立像過去雖然說德國的這個Stopp他是拒絕了台灣的這個申請像光產員身份他覺得他只承認OneChinaPolicy可是問題是在他主政的10年當中他認為說這些紅色追緝令必須還是要經過審查\n\n04:48.240 --> 05:10.235\n可是我們不曉得新任的秘書長他會怎麼來處理這件事情因為像過去的話像中國中國他曾經就是透過這紅色的通緝令比如說他就像世界維吾爾大會的主席多里昆艾莎就是被中國視為恐怖分子他向世界刑警組織申請這個拘捕令\n\n05:12.717 --> 05:14.157\n維權人士艾伊也曾經在摩納哥被拘留,到後來被遣返回中國本席會講這點是因為在6月21日的時候,中國頒布了懲治台獨的規定\n\n05:35.342 --> 05:51.674\n他公布了這個懲罪台獨分裂國家、煽動分裂國家等22條這個規定他所謂的就是說如果違反分裂國家犯罪最終可以處死刑最速期是20年那他認為的這些分裂國家犯罪呢就是他所稱的台獨頑固分子\n\n05:54.742 --> 06:15.240\n臺灣有很多的政治人物比如說我們的前行政院長蘇貞昌也被點名吳釗燮我們的前部長也被點名甚至有一些媒體人也被點名我們所擔心的就是說這些他現在認為說這些所謂的他名單當中的臺獨頑固分子他們其實就是觸犯了分裂國家犯罪那如果這些\n\n06:16.081 --> 06:16.201\n確實要很……\n\n06:39.553 --> 06:39.814\n：羅美玲議員\n\n06:54.905 --> 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