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00:03:02,825\n拿掉了這個依聘用辦法的部分就是將這個我們的這個本會的委員改為無極職大概就這五個問題對不對對分析這五項這裡面齁\n\n8\n00:03:07,814 --> 00:03:35,361\n剛才這個委員在提案說明的時候也有提到我先談說組委由這個三元平原的輪流剛才蘇小慧委員也有提到因為我們這個組委不是固定任期今天假設有一個組委任命了一個組委是山地原住民結果他經過一個月體檢發現身體實在不行一個月之後辭職那就下一個要換平地原住民還是那這個平地原住民一上來之後又被週刊爆料有婚外情\n\n9\n00:03:36,277 --> 00:03:56,885\n一個禮拜再換,那又變成三立原住民。他是這個意思,還是法條,我實在搞不太懂,說他這個所謂輪流齁,輪流擔任,因為他沒有任期制嘛,這個不是說像那其他委員會的這些主委他有主委任期,所以你可以說這一任三圓,下一任平圓,他這個沒有任期制他隨時會變的嘛,對不對?\n\n10\n00:03:56,885 --> 00:03:59,606\n是,各位報告他裡面也有提到四年的時間,任期。\n\n11\n00:04:00,646 --> 00:04:23,002\n所以他把任期固定成4年固定成4年然後再來但是也提到說事實上現在目前憲法裡面有關3D原住民、平地原住民目前這樣的區分事實上在很多原住民的包括原住民委員這些包括提案委員自己本身都非常質疑說憲法現在這個3D原住民跟平地原住民跟原住民生活型態實際上生活型態已經已經\n\n12\n00:04:27,251 --> 00:04:48,342\n現在不是說住在山地原住民鄉的就山地原住民住在一般都市就平地原住民現在不是啊現在很多山地原住民他也住在都市裡面啊對不對所以這個山地原住民跟平地原住民的區分方式這個本身雖然規定在憲法上面但是事實上原住民對於山地原住民平地原住民的區分本身就\n\n13\n00:04:49,082 --> 00:04:49,122\n．沈發惠\n\n14\n00:05:02,786 --> 00:05:28,402\n一樣會納入原住民來嘛那這個如果現在我們在這樣子一個學理上面我們原住民朋友大家都很有爭議的這個三億原住民跟平地原住民又把這樣的制度我們又把它擬定在新的立法上面在這個憲法判決之後擬在新的憲法上的法令裡面我覺得那是會自私一分啦自私一分這個是歧視啦再來就是說\n\n15\n00:05:32,021 --> 00:05:40,765\n這個我們這個我們原民會是獨立機關嗎?是原民會是獨立機關嗎?不是獨立機關行政院二級機關二級機關嘛獨立行政院獨立機關在法律裡面有規定吧在哪裡規定在哪裡?\n\n16\n00:05:53,325 --> 00:06:15,923\n主委中選會中選會是獨立機關我知道中選會NCCNCC還有公平會公平交易委員會對那是獨立機關規定在哪裡?行政院組織法行政院組織法嗎?對所以原民會他不是獨立機關他不是獨立機關他不是獨立機關他現在說要讓主委任命主委必須經過同意必須行使同意權\n\n17\n00:06:20,091 --> 00:06:41,789\n行使同意權這個我們在這個國民黨成為多數之後他們把很多的職務都要求要行使同意權這個我們也大概摸著鼻子認了啦這個他們多數他們要這樣決定但是我第一次看到說中央行政院的二級機關的人士必須經由縣市議員跟區長的同意\n\n18\n00:06:46,186 --> 00:07:08,481\n這個副主委我們現在目前有沒有其他的機關單位的同意權是這樣行使的目前沒有那依憲法這個同意權中央的中央機關的這個委員的同意權由地方民意代表來同意這個在法理上我比較才出學潛是不是請副主委跟我說明一下\n\n19\n00:07:09,486 --> 00:07:35,332\n目前沒有這樣的相關規定所以這個我就真的是有一點覺得說這個我們都會支持基本上原住民所提出來的這些案子我們基於長期以來這個原住民他們的處境在少數的這樣的處境我們都相當的同情但是這個在立法上面我覺得基本最基本的憲法不要說都說到憲法最基本的法理\n\n20\n00:07:36,152 --> 00:07:50,110\n要符合啦齁,不符合的話我們真的是作為立法委員很難,這個法我很難說舉手說啊我同意這樣子,這樣子讓行政院的人士同意權由地方民意代表來施行齁,這個我是覺得\n\n21\n00:07:51,852 --> 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