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00:01:19,550\n不過因為我們今天最主要要講說農業的移工政策改善措施這個部分所以我在這邊也針對整個農業移工的部分來就教於部長跟我們勞動部的主密我想請教一下因為那個整個移工的部分逃跑移工的部分真的是問題很嚴重到今年的2月\n\n4\n00:01:27,156 --> 00:01:39,686\n每次碰到逃跑移工的時候勞動部這邊的說法都是直接表示說你修法重罰非法雇主非法仲介可是每次都這樣用\n\n5\n00:01:40,486 --> 00:01:59,095\n在4月份的時候碰到這個問題的時候我看到新聞資料當中你們也還是這樣講可是過去這麼多年每次勞動部都是這樣回應可是說提修法然後都沒有提那你們在4月份這邊的時候你們也特別提到今年\n\n6\n00:02:01,136 --> 00:02:10,380\n6月份的時候會開始處罰然後也打算要再提修法的部分請問這個部分大概什麼時候會正式送到我們立法院來?這應該是老總部\n\n7\n00:02:14,197 --> 00:02:37,086\n謝謝委員的一個吹詢這個部分之前我們在針對就業服務法要重罰非法僱用跟非法媒介這個部分呢原來的政策方向一直是如此政策方向如此可是很多年據本席瞭解108年不是就送進行政院可是怎麼都沒有送到立法院來呢因為在不同的這個\n\n8\n00:02:38,426 --> 00:02:39,287\n所以何部長現在是要送還是不送?\n\n9\n00:03:04,367 --> 00:03:20,384\n目前我們在整個法案已經重新政院申請要撤回來重新再研議當中後續進度怎麼樣給本席一個很清楚的一個說明那因為我們很希望說如果說要怎麼樣去做能夠解決整個臺灣的一個移工\n\n10\n00:03:23,752 --> 00:03:24,132\n在整個的那個我國產業\n\n11\n00:03:45,208 --> 00:04:09,300\n在缺工的狀態當中最嚴重的三個部分大概就是農業然後營造業跟長照我想這部分應該是很清楚的一個狀態所以我們今天就針對農業缺工的部分來就教一下陳部長因為我看到我們的報告資料裡頭下一頁先看下一頁我看下一頁的資料裡面\n\n12\n00:04:11,442 --> 00:04:37,339\n右邊是你的那個農業部的一個報告就是農業移工政策改善措施的書面報告裡面你提到說我們其實目前開放農業移工是1.2萬人是很清楚然後勞動部核發出來的聘僱許可人數到目前為止是8505人很清楚對不對是然後你也特別提到說我們今年年底預計1.2萬人會用慶對不對是\n\n13\n00:04:40,581 --> 00:04:57,132\n所以這1.2萬人提到了就是我們常態性的缺工是1.2萬人可是我們季節性的缺工是20萬人次對不對對這個是全部包括在一起的理解那我全部包括在一起是什麼意思1.2萬人裡面\n\n14\n00:04:59,754 --> 00:05:03,056\n對我知道所以說我要提的狀態說我們提的人次的部分是怎麼去定義20萬人次的問題\n\n15\n00:05:22,168 --> 00:05:47,167\n人次是怎麼去定義這個人次的問題我們那個人次是從主力農家裡面去抽樣以後然後去詢問他這一戶如果有缺工的需求我們就把它當作戶數去計算那有一部分是他可能是缺幾個人有沒有我們就會去算人次的次的概念不是用一天來算對不對\n\n16\n00:05:48,287 --> 00:06:13,905\n不是用一天來算嗎?對不對?那我想問一下當我們1.2萬人用慶之後的時候是不是會再持續開放更多的人數進來?我跟委員說明就是說其實我們也非常擔心說年底如果滿了以後才去申請太慢了會有一個空窗期所以我們現在已經啟動了一些調查調查的結果大概還需要8000人在這個階段還需要8000人\n\n17\n00:06:15,005 --> 00:06:30,254\n所以我們現在已經啟動了就是要跟勞動部去爭取這樣的一個8千人所以我們希望說最後增加到2萬因為爭取還有一段時間我們希望能夠銜接到年底的時候用完的時候他就可以用8千人來處理\n\n18\n00:06:31,135 --> 00:06:47,516\nOK部長謝謝那我這邊我要特別提到一個有關於外展農務的一個部分因為外展農務這邊的時候他就是很針對季節性的一個去支援對不對那我們看到目前這邊的時候呢你們提出來的數字是\n\n19\n00:06:48,477 --> 00:07:07,215\n拜訪人數是3000人可是我看到另外一個統計數字的時候是稍高一點可是人數是一樣的可是我要提的情況是說我們對於外產農務當中的時候目前還沒有滿額有一個很大的問題就是因為他們有季節性所以他們會有農閒的時候那農閒的時候要怎麼去補助\n\n20\n00:07:07,836 --> 00:07:08,356\n我跟委員\n\n21\n00:07:26,643 --> 00:07:41,724\n報告分兩個部分一個部分就是說有時候農閒的時候因為原來的外展服務是不能跨區的所以當這個區域閒的時候它就比較麻煩所以我們現在推動可以跨區服務因為一個東西收穫的時候它可以跟著一直走\n\n22\n00:07:42,245 --> 00:08:03,218\n所以他幾乎每天都有一樣的一個工作所以現在開放到可以跨區那有沒有可能可以跨業別跨業的部分我們曾經努力過但是不同的行業他有勞動契約特別是就非技術性的工作有沒有辦法去跨業之前我們這個還會再跟勞動部跑因為有一些公司他週休二日我們都希望說週休二日可以來農業但是相對的\n\n23\n00:08:05,379 --> 00:08:20,994\n他說農業很忙結果禮拜一就打瞌睡了所以他牽涉到不同產業的特性因為我覺得這部分我會提到一個跨業的一個支援的部分其實就是要解決就是外在農務這邊的時候他會有季節性農閒問題所以也請這邊的時候跟農業部跟相關的跟勞動部相關的單位我們去做一個跨部會的一個協調對我們會來討論\n\n24\n00:08:28,921 --> 00:08:51,224\n我最下我要講的狀態是我們看到所有經察院這邊一個資料齁經察院這邊提出來資料當中的時候我們看到移工失聯率齁農業的體系就是比例最高的那這個數字齁因為它是112年的目前大概11.92%左右你說農業的部分是不是對農業的部分\n\n25\n00:08:52,184 --> 00:09:12,029\n所以你要特別提到說農業部分現在並沒有比整個一般的數字來的高是一樣高的對不對我們8萬5千人跟74萬個移工來說算起來也大概是11%左右對11%因為現在目前整個失聯的大概3000人左右大概有沒有總共啦移工的部分有將近500人所以他11%左右啦\n\n26\n00:09:15,151 --> 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所以說我要提的狀態說我們提的人次的部分是怎麼去定義20萬人次的問題\n人次是怎麼去定義這個人次的問題我們那個人次是從主力農家裡面去抽樣以後然後去詢問他這一戶如果有缺工的需求我們就把它當作戶數去計算那有一部分是他可能是缺幾個人有沒有我們就會去算人次的次的概念不是用一天來算對不對\n不是用一天來算嗎?對不對?那我想問一下當我們1.2萬人用慶之後的時候是不是會再持續開放更多的人數進來?我跟委員說明就是說其實我們也非常擔心說年底如果滿了以後才去申請太慢了會有一個空窗期所以我們現在已經啟動了一些調查調查的結果大概還需要8000人在這個階段還需要8000人\n所以我們現在已經啟動了就是要跟勞動部去爭取這樣的一個8千人所以我們希望說最後增加到2萬因為爭取還有一段時間我們希望能夠銜接到年底的時候用完的時候他就可以用8千人來處理\nOK 部長謝謝那我這邊我要特別提到一個有關於外展農務的一個部分因為外展農務這邊的時候他就是很針對季節性的一個去支援對不對那我們看到目前這邊的時候呢你們提出來的數字是\n拜訪人數是3000人可是我看到另外一個統計數字的時候是稍高一點可是人數是一樣的可是我要提的情況是說我們對於外產農務當中的時候目前還沒有滿額有一個很大的問題就是因為他們有季節性所以他們會有農閒的時候那農閒的時候要怎麼去補助\n我跟委員\n報告分兩個部分一個部分就是說有時候農閒的時候因為原來的外展服務是不能跨區的所以當這個區域閒的時候它就比較麻煩所以我們現在推動可以跨區服務因為一個東西收穫的時候它可以跟著一直走\n所以他幾乎每天都有一樣的一個工作所以現在開放到可以跨區那有沒有可能可以跨業別跨業的部分我們曾經努力過但是不同的行業他有勞動契約特別是就非技術性的工作有沒有辦法去跨業之前我們這個還會再跟勞動部跑因為有一些公司他週休二日我們都希望說週休二日可以來農業但是相對的\n他說農業很忙結果禮拜一就打瞌睡了所以他牽涉到不同產業的特性因為我覺得這部分我會提到一個跨業的一個支援的部分其實就是要解決就是外在農務這邊的時候他會有季節性農閒問題所以也請這邊的時候跟農業部跟相關的跟勞動部相關的單位我們去做一個跨部會的一個協調對我們會來討論\n我最下我要講的狀態是我們看到所有經察院這邊一個資料齁經察院這邊提出來資料當中的時候我們看到移工失聯率齁農業的體系就是比例最高的那這個數字齁因為它是112年的目前大概11.92%左右你說農業的部分是不是對農業的部分\n所以你要特別提到說農業部分現在並沒有比整個一般的數字來的高是一樣高的 對不對我們8萬5千人跟74萬個移工來說算起來也大概是11%左右對11%因為現在目前整個失聯的大概3000人左右大概有沒有總共啦移工的部分有將近500人所以他11%左右啦\n所以你說現在監察院提供的數字是比較舊的數字以現在最新的數字的時候農業的移工系統的比例在11%左右對不對那這個部分我就再請部長這邊到時候再給我們更詳細的數字那我這邊我要提到一個狀態是現在很多\n我要提到一個狀態是因為現在很多其他產業的移工就黑工的狀態很多都集中在農業部門那在很多的茶園、果園裡面據說基本上都是逃跑的外勞那這個部分的時候我希望農業部這邊的時候能夠想一個更完整的方式不要讓農業體系\n好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.095 --> 00:30.550\n謝謝主席,我想請一下陳部長還有我們勞動部陳主秘好,我們請兩位,謝謝部長好,說實話,操失蛋的事情能夠扯這麼久我們也真的是服了農業部,這是一個很簡單的一個蛋的\n\n00:31.505 --> 00:31.685\n﹚鄭先生﹚\n\n00:56.502 --> 01:19.550\n不過因為我們今天最主要要講說農業的移工政策改善措施這個部分所以我在這邊也針對整個農業移工的部分來就教於部長跟我們勞動部的主密我想請教一下因為那個整個移工的部分逃跑移工的部分真的是問題很嚴重到今年的2月\n\n01:27.156 --> 01:39.686\n每次碰到逃跑移工的時候勞動部這邊的說法都是直接表示說你修法重罰非法雇主非法仲介可是每次都這樣用\n\n01:40.486 --> 01:59.095\n在4月份的時候碰到這個問題的時候我看到新聞資料當中你們也還是這樣講可是過去這麼多年每次勞動部都是這樣回應可是說提修法然後都沒有提那你們在4月份這邊的時候你們也特別提到今年\n\n02:01.136 --> 02:10.380\n6月份的時候會開始處罰然後也打算要再提修法的部分請問這個部分大概什麼時候會正式送到我們立法院來?這應該是老總部\n\n02:14.197 --> 02:37.086\n謝謝委員的一個吹詢這個部分之前我們在針對就業服務法要重罰非法僱用跟非法媒介這個部分呢原來的政策方向一直是如此政策方向如此可是很多年據本席瞭解108年不是就送進行政院可是怎麼都沒有送到立法院來呢因為在不同的這個\n\n02:38.426 --> 02:39.287\n所以何部長現在是要送還是不送?\n\n03:04.367 --> 03:20.384\n目前我們在整個法案已經重新政院申請要撤回來重新再研議當中後續進度怎麼樣給本席一個很清楚的一個說明那因為我們很希望說如果說要怎麼樣去做能夠解決整個臺灣的一個移工\n\n03:23.752 --> 03:24.132\n在整個的那個我國產業\n\n03:45.208 --> 04:09.300\n在缺工的狀態當中最嚴重的三個部分大概就是農業然後營造業跟長照我想這部分應該是很清楚的一個狀態所以我們今天就針對農業缺工的部分來就教一下陳部長因為我看到我們的報告資料裡頭下一頁先看下一頁我看下一頁的資料裡面\n\n04:11.442 --> 04:37.339\n右邊是你的那個農業部的一個報告就是農業移工政策改善措施的書面報告裡面你提到說我們其實目前開放農業移工是1.2萬人是很清楚然後勞動部核發出來的聘僱許可人數到目前為止是8505人很清楚對不對是然後你也特別提到說我們今年年底預計1.2萬人會用慶對不對是\n\n04:40.581 --> 04:57.132\n所以這1.2萬人提到了就是我們常態性的缺工是1.2萬人可是我們季節性的缺工是20萬人次對不對對這個是全部包括在一起的理解那我全部包括在一起是什麼意思1.2萬人裡面\n\n04:59.754 --> 05:03.056\n對我知道所以說我要提的狀態說我們提的人次的部分是怎麼去定義20萬人次的問題\n\n05:22.168 --> 05:47.167\n人次是怎麼去定義這個人次的問題我們那個人次是從主力農家裡面去抽樣以後然後去詢問他這一戶如果有缺工的需求我們就把它當作戶數去計算那有一部分是他可能是缺幾個人有沒有我們就會去算人次的次的概念不是用一天來算對不對\n\n05:48.287 --> 06:13.905\n不是用一天來算嗎?對不對?那我想問一下當我們1.2萬人用慶之後的時候是不是會再持續開放更多的人數進來?我跟委員說明就是說其實我們也非常擔心說年底如果滿了以後才去申請太慢了會有一個空窗期所以我們現在已經啟動了一些調查調查的結果大概還需要8000人在這個階段還需要8000人\n\n06:15.005 --> 06:30.254\n所以我們現在已經啟動了就是要跟勞動部去爭取這樣的一個8千人所以我們希望說最後增加到2萬因為爭取還有一段時間我們希望能夠銜接到年底的時候用完的時候他就可以用8千人來處理\n\n06:31.135 --> 06:47.516\nOK部長謝謝那我這邊我要特別提到一個有關於外展農務的一個部分因為外展農務這邊的時候他就是很針對季節性的一個去支援對不對那我們看到目前這邊的時候呢你們提出來的數字是\n\n06:48.477 --> 07:07.215\n拜訪人數是3000人可是我看到另外一個統計數字的時候是稍高一點可是人數是一樣的可是我要提的情況是說我們對於外產農務當中的時候目前還沒有滿額有一個很大的問題就是因為他們有季節性所以他們會有農閒的時候那農閒的時候要怎麼去補助\n\n07:07.836 --> 07:08.356\n我跟委員\n\n07:26.643 --> 07:41.724\n報告分兩個部分一個部分就是說有時候農閒的時候因為原來的外展服務是不能跨區的所以當這個區域閒的時候它就比較麻煩所以我們現在推動可以跨區服務因為一個東西收穫的時候它可以跟著一直走\n\n07:42.245 --> 08:03.218\n所以他幾乎每天都有一樣的一個工作所以現在開放到可以跨區那有沒有可能可以跨業別跨業的部分我們曾經努力過但是不同的行業他有勞動契約特別是就非技術性的工作有沒有辦法去跨業之前我們這個還會再跟勞動部跑因為有一些公司他週休二日我們都希望說週休二日可以來農業但是相對的\n\n08:05.379 --> 08:20.994\n他說農業很忙結果禮拜一就打瞌睡了所以他牽涉到不同產業的特性因為我覺得這部分我會提到一個跨業的一個支援的部分其實就是要解決就是外在農務這邊的時候他會有季節性農閒問題所以也請這邊的時候跟農業部跟相關的跟勞動部相關的單位我們去做一個跨部會的一個協調對我們會來討論\n\n08:28.921 --> 08:51.224\n我最下我要講的狀態是我們看到所有經察院這邊一個資料齁經察院這邊提出來資料當中的時候我們看到移工失聯率齁農業的體系就是比例最高的那這個數字齁因為它是112年的目前大概11.92%左右你說農業的部分是不是對農業的部分\n\n08:52.184 --> 09:12.029\n所以你要特別提到說農業部分現在並沒有比整個一般的數字來的高是一樣高的對不對我們8萬5千人跟74萬個移工來說算起來也大概是11%左右對11%因為現在目前整個失聯的大概3000人左右大概有沒有總共啦移工的部分有將近500人所以他11%左右啦\n\n09:15.151 --> 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部長謝謝那我這邊我要特別提到一個有關於外展農務的一個部分因為外展農務這邊的時候他就是很針對季節性的一個去支援對不對那我們看到目前這邊的時候呢你們提出來的數字是"},{"start":408.477,"end":427.215,"text":"拜訪人數是3000人可是我看到另外一個統計數字的時候是稍高一點可是人數是一樣的可是我要提的情況是說我們對於外產農務當中的時候目前還沒有滿額有一個很大的問題就是因為他們有季節性所以他們會有農閒的時候那農閒的時候要怎麼去補助"},{"start":427.836,"end":428.356,"text":"我跟委員"},{"start":446.643,"end":461.724,"text":"報告分兩個部分一個部分就是說有時候農閒的時候因為原來的外展服務是不能跨區的所以當這個區域閒的時候它就比較麻煩所以我們現在推動可以跨區服務因為一個東西收穫的時候它可以跟著一直走"},{"start":462.245,"end":483.218,"text":"所以他幾乎每天都有一樣的一個工作所以現在開放到可以跨區那有沒有可能可以跨業別跨業的部分我們曾經努力過但是不同的行業他有勞動契約特別是就非技術性的工作有沒有辦法去跨業之前我們這個還會再跟勞動部跑因為有一些公司他週休二日我們都希望說週休二日可以來農業但是相對的"},{"start":485.379,"end":500.994,"text":"他說農業很忙結果禮拜一就打瞌睡了所以他牽涉到不同產業的特性因為我覺得這部分我會提到一個跨業的一個支援的部分其實就是要解決就是外在農務這邊的時候他會有季節性農閒問題所以也請這邊的時候跟農業部跟相關的跟勞動部相關的單位我們去做一個跨部會的一個協調對我們會來討論"},{"start":508.921,"end":531.224,"text":"我最下我要講的狀態是我們看到所有經察院這邊一個資料齁經察院這邊提出來資料當中的時候我們看到移工失聯率齁農業的體系就是比例最高的那這個數字齁因為它是112年的目前大概11.92%左右你說農業的部分是不是對農業的部分"},{"start":532.184,"end":552.029,"text":"所以你要特別提到說農業部分現在並沒有比整個一般的數字來的高是一樣高的 對不對我們8萬5千人跟74萬個移工來說算起來也大概是11%左右對11%因為現在目前整個失聯的大概3000人左右大概有沒有總共啦移工的部分有將近500人所以他11%左右啦"},{"start":555.151,"end":569.846,"text":"所以你說現在監察院提供的數字是比較舊的數字以現在最新的數字的時候農業的移工系統的比例在11%左右對不對那這個部分我就再請部長這邊到時候再給我們更詳細的數字那我這邊我要提到一個狀態是現在很多"},{"start":576.212,"end":601.505,"text":"我要提到一個狀態是因為現在很多其他產業的移工就黑工的狀態很多都集中在農業部門那在很多的茶園、果園裡面據說基本上都是逃跑的外勞那這個部分的時候我希望農業部這邊的時候能夠想一個更完整的方式不要讓農業體系"},{"start":603.046,"end":603.066,"text":"好 謝謝"}]}}}}