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00:03:43,780\n應該是上上一屆第9屆現在是第11屆其實我在第9屆的時候就建議建議行政院應該要成立一個少子女化辦公室但是他們不理不睬完全沒有因為這是臺灣很重要的問題現在不是只有農林螢幕跟一般營造各方面的勞工未來\n\n10\n00:03:45,615 --> 00:04:10,009\n未來我們的軍人也是以後都要外籍軍人了現在願意去當兵的越來越少那薪水又很低所以這個部分這是一個非常嚴重的問題我就不知道為什麼這個行政院一直不成立這個少子女化辦公室的一個推動怎麼樣去解決這方面的問題\n\n11\n00:04:11,235 --> 00:04:28,704\n所以當然很多責任都是在衛福部跟行政院這個部分是一個很嚴肅很重大的一個問題所以這裡也很難跟你要求這是我們農民的一個問題這個是要去解決的部分接下來還是要談\n\n12\n00:04:41,567 --> 00:04:55,983\n我第一次談超市淡超市進口淡當這個事件發生的時候真的是不可不可思議了作為一個以前叫農委會\n\n13\n00:04:57,621 --> 00:05:24,577\n農委會依照稀木法第25條成立財團法人中央續產會然後進口這個農業部要補助你要補助補助都是要審核一億七千多萬補助要審核我這個外行的想也知道\n\n14\n00:05:26,175 --> 00:05:41,106\n第一個超市這麼小的資本額然後他要進口他哪知道巴西有蛋啊部長巴西進口多少蛋應該是巴應該是\n\n15\n00:05:41,892 --> 00:05:55,981\n五千多萬顆因為總計是一億五千多萬顆那巴西的部分巴西五千多萬顆巴西離臺灣多遠啊多遠啊那個蛋蛋是沒有辦法保存嘛一定是壞蛋嘛\n\n16\n00:05:56,704 --> 00:06:14,349\n沒有沒有我跟委員這樣不能這樣講喔因為整個事實上部長不要替他們說話不是不是你說巴西進來的都是壞蛋因為整個雞蛋進口他有冷鏈的系統他經過海運的部分不是說那麼遠以後進來都是壞蛋喔這個我覺得要澄清喔這個\n\n17\n00:06:16,289 --> 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