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00:03:16,456\n各方的意見我都有收到首先就是說採購的部分我們把它釐清管理的部分採購有沒有如同傳聞的或者報導的那個狀況所以外面講說800萬我今天早上在記者也有說明就是說扣掉了那些硬體就是備用的發電機事實上上半年整個這些採購的財產就是大概\n\n11\n00:03:20,478 --> 00:03:22,280\n這個事情應該是一個明確的東西有不當該怎麼處理就怎麼處理嘛\n\n12\n00:03:47,791 --> 00:04:13,585\n對我也不認為現在有哪個官大到可以非他不可但是如果沒有不當也應該要明確否則這樣在外裡面這樣放火燒對國家不是好事我在意的不是一個個人或一個外交官而是這個事情處理的態度外交部應該要清楚明瞭而迅速我跟委員說明因為我們所掌握到就是因為外管有人\n\n13\n00:04:15,285 --> 00:04:43,301\n人的不滿提供了這個資料那也給委員然後來也給媒體這是另外一部分內部的領導管理的問題但是我說就已經發生了我們就要來處理人的不滿現代社會都會有啦社會做方便的啦手機都可以寫嘛但我的意思說站在外交部作為國家的門面你應該去思考是他所傳出來的事情第一個有沒有涉及不法沒有就說沒有有的話就依從法辦\n\n14\n00:04:44,241 --> 00:05:10,534\n再來有沒有合於我們長年數十年累積的外交的規範跟禮儀也有那就說清楚最後有沒有涉及私德不當的那如果這三個都沒有那只是說我感受到覺得你對我不禮貌那個就讓社會來公平而不是說大家不能講可以講但是前面這三塊很重要因為這三塊如果回答的置之烏烏不清不楚的話我坦白講\n\n15\n00:05:11,966 --> 00:05:14,267\n所以委員我在第一次回應外界就是說這個事情沒有步伐\n\n16\n00:05:27,403 --> 00:05:51,988\n那依照採購的規定但是是不是有它的必要性跟合理性這就要項目去討論這一題我現在沒有定見答應我沒有看到資訊我只能建議部長在最快的時間內不要再過20小時了很清楚的就法律規定就外交的我們一般的禮儀規範以及就施責的部分這三塊有或沒有能夠釐清現在24小時都可以通電話了\n\n17\n00:05:53,268 --> 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麻煩部長請部長外交總是充滿困難的我們常常是希望給我們外交人員不管在國外或國內都給予最大的支持跟鼓勵但是一旦有了黑函\n有了醜聞：有了這樣的傳聞：不管是否為真：對於該住管的工作的執行：人員的士氣都有相當大的影響\n所以本期期待部長對於相關的傳聞甚至於有時候臨時問你你根本沒辦法辨別真假像我剛才聽到我不認為現在年輕的外交官可以被處長館長叫去坐在電腦前面盯著那個螢幕不准開機\n這個現在公務員也不容許這樣子對待所以是否為真要儘速有個答案哪怕半夜都應該有答案而不是在回答說這個我們來了解看看因為一旦傳聞被傳後面證明不是真的傷害都已造成更何況外交人員代表是我們國家的門面所以有關美國住處這是我們台灣最重要的外交單位那這個真相本其實希望\n不要再拖過24個小時\n所以在合宜合理的範圍內\n部長我覺得你們應該就這樣的傳聞盡速釐清否則每次有人事異動每次有人事的這個將部長換了下面這些我們就會收到一疊信\n那以往當然有的有的真的像秦日新那個就真的嘛秦日新那是真的那發生那個事情該怎麼處分就該怎麼處分所以不要包庇不要護短但是牽涉到國家外交事務特別美國現在總統大選特別台美關係現在是重要的關係在這樣狀況下美促的事情就不容許這樣延燒我不曉得部長你從美促發生這樣的事情到目前為止所有的傳聞你們到底掌握多少\n這件事\n各方的意見我都有收到首先就是說採購的部分我們把它釐清管理的部分採購有沒有如同傳聞的或者報導的那個狀況所以外面講說800萬我今天早上在記者也有說明就是說扣掉了那些硬體就是備用的發電機事實上上半年整個這些採購的財產就是大概\n這個事情應該是一個明確的東西有不當該怎麼處理就怎麼處理嘛\n對我也不認為現在有哪個官大到可以非他不可但是如果沒有不當也應該要明確否則這樣在外裡面這樣放火燒對國家不是好事我在意的不是一個個人或一個外交官而是這個事情處理的態度外交部應該要清楚明瞭而迅速我跟委員說明因為我們所掌握到就是因為外管有人\n人的不滿提供了這個資料那也給委員然後來也給媒體這是另外一部分內部的領導管理的問題但是我說就已經發生了我們就要來處理人的不滿現代社會都會有啦社會做方便的啦手機都可以寫嘛但我的意思說站在外交部作為國家的門面你應該去思考是他所傳出來的事情第一個有沒有涉及不法沒有就說沒有有的話就依從法辦\n再來有沒有合於我們長年數十年累積的外交的規範跟禮儀也有那就說清楚最後有沒有涉及私德不當的那如果這三個都沒有那只是說我感受到覺得你對我不禮貌那個就讓社會來公平而不是說大家不能講可以講但是前面這三塊很重要因為這三塊如果回答的置之烏烏不清不楚的話我坦白講\n所以委員我在第一次回應外界就是說這個事情沒有步伐\n那依照採購的規定但是是不是有它的必要性跟合理性這就要項目去討論這一題我現在沒有定見答應我沒有看到資訊我只能建議部長在最快的時間內不要再過20小時了很清楚的就法律規定就外交的我們一般的禮儀規範以及就施責的部分這三塊有或沒有能夠釐清現在24小時都可以通電話了\n范帝剛現在是我們在歐洲齁大概唯一也是重要的外交關係那教廷國\n跟中國之間在這一任的教宗他一直希望他有個歷史成就歷史定位也就是照顧中國教區的信徒我們對這沒意見天主教有他的這個他的神權國家的一個概念\n那中國呢中共一直他是無神論國家所以中共那邊的主教叫做愛國主教愛國神職人員都要他來任命所以一直有抵觸下所以台灣跟范帝剛的邦交呢相對起來是一個穩定但從這一任教宗在前幾年由香港的主教向台灣提出警告我們就一直在密切注意這個事情了這幾天\n在中共的官媒環球網很罕見的報導了兩件事情一個是承認梵蒂岡任命杭州主教做標題等於是承認他任命主教第二個是梵蒂岡希望在中國設立常設辦事處就這個消息因為\n有關於這個報導兩個部分第一個部分就是教廷他\n他任命這個主教杭州主教這件事情是為真這是真的所以中國讓教廷國可以派主教\n因為教廷國\n長期以來是認為任命主教權是神權不能有協調的過程對 但是他們跟所以常說這個主教是經過協調任命出來的\n這個是他們依據他們現在已經應該是第5年或第6年有一個臨時協議那他們跟越南也是有類似的處理方法教廷希望在中國設辦事處這件事情教廷已經說了非常多次但是中國依據教廷的說法中國一直在這個問題上他並沒有願意讓步因為教宗\n我們現在跟教廷國的邦交狀況?我們跟教廷國的邦交基本上是穩固比如說在520總統就職的時候教廷也派遣了特使你現在還在用燈號標示啊?有他現在是什麼燈?\n這部分好像是機密,我可以跟委員進行報告。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.335 --> 00:27.074\n謝謝主席麻煩部長請部長外交總是充滿困難的我們常常是希望給我們外交人員不管在國外或國內都給予最大的支持跟鼓勵但是一旦有了黑函\n\n00:28.140 --> 00:40.234\n有了醜聞：有了這樣的傳聞：不管是否為真：對於該住管的工作的執行：人員的士氣都有相當大的影響\n\n00:42.205 --> 00:58.892\n所以本期期待部長對於相關的傳聞甚至於有時候臨時問你你根本沒辦法辨別真假像我剛才聽到我不認為現在年輕的外交官可以被處長館長叫去坐在電腦前面盯著那個螢幕不准開機\n\n01:01.253 --> 01:29.525\n這個現在公務員也不容許這樣子對待所以是否為真要儘速有個答案哪怕半夜都應該有答案而不是在回答說這個我們來了解看看因為一旦傳聞被傳後面證明不是真的傷害都已造成更何況外交人員代表是我們國家的門面所以有關美國住處這是我們台灣最重要的外交單位那這個真相本其實希望\n\n01:30.714 --> 01:31.157\n不要再拖過24個小時\n\n01:33.148 --> 01:33.768\n所以在合宜合理的範圍內\n\n02:03.570 --> 02:15.656\n部長我覺得你們應該就這樣的傳聞盡速釐清否則每次有人事異動每次有人事的這個將部長換了下面這些我們就會收到一疊信\n\n02:17.548 --> 02:44.836\n那以往當然有的有的真的像秦日新那個就真的嘛秦日新那是真的那發生那個事情該怎麼處分就該怎麼處分所以不要包庇不要護短但是牽涉到國家外交事務特別美國現在總統大選特別台美關係現在是重要的關係在這樣狀況下美促的事情就不容許這樣延燒我不曉得部長你從美促發生這樣的事情到目前為止所有的傳聞你們到底掌握多少\n\n02:48.445 --> 02:48.689\n這件事\n\n02:49.878 --> 03:16.456\n各方的意見我都有收到首先就是說採購的部分我們把它釐清管理的部分採購有沒有如同傳聞的或者報導的那個狀況所以外面講說800萬我今天早上在記者也有說明就是說扣掉了那些硬體就是備用的發電機事實上上半年整個這些採購的財產就是大概\n\n03:20.478 --> 03:22.280\n這個事情應該是一個明確的東西有不當該怎麼處理就怎麼處理嘛\n\n03:47.791 --> 04:13.585\n對我也不認為現在有哪個官大到可以非他不可但是如果沒有不當也應該要明確否則這樣在外裡面這樣放火燒對國家不是好事我在意的不是一個個人或一個外交官而是這個事情處理的態度外交部應該要清楚明瞭而迅速我跟委員說明因為我們所掌握到就是因為外管有人\n\n04:15.285 --> 04:43.301\n人的不滿提供了這個資料那也給委員然後來也給媒體這是另外一部分內部的領導管理的問題但是我說就已經發生了我們就要來處理人的不滿現代社會都會有啦社會做方便的啦手機都可以寫嘛但我的意思說站在外交部作為國家的門面你應該去思考是他所傳出來的事情第一個有沒有涉及不法沒有就說沒有有的話就依從法辦\n\n04:44.241 --> 05:10.534\n再來有沒有合於我們長年數十年累積的外交的規範跟禮儀也有那就說清楚最後有沒有涉及私德不當的那如果這三個都沒有那只是說我感受到覺得你對我不禮貌那個就讓社會來公平而不是說大家不能講可以講但是前面這三塊很重要因為這三塊如果回答的置之烏烏不清不楚的話我坦白講\n\n05:11.966 --> 05:14.267\n所以委員我在第一次回應外界就是說這個事情沒有步伐\n\n05:27.403 --> 05:51.988\n那依照採購的規定但是是不是有它的必要性跟合理性這就要項目去討論這一題我現在沒有定見答應我沒有看到資訊我只能建議部長在最快的時間內不要再過20小時了很清楚的就法律規定就外交的我們一般的禮儀規範以及就施責的部分這三塊有或沒有能夠釐清現在24小時都可以通電話了\n\n05:53.268 --> 05:54.990\n范帝剛現在是我們在歐洲齁大概唯一也是重要的外交關係那教廷國\n\n06:18.547 --> 06:33.415\n跟中國之間在這一任的教宗他一直希望他有個歷史成就歷史定位也就是照顧中國教區的信徒我們對這沒意見天主教有他的這個他的神權國家的一個概念\n\n06:34.255 --> 06:57.891\n那中國呢中共一直他是無神論國家所以中共那邊的主教叫做愛國主教愛國神職人員都要他來任命所以一直有抵觸下所以台灣跟范帝剛的邦交呢相對起來是一個穩定但從這一任教宗在前幾年由香港的主教向台灣提出警告我們就一直在密切注意這個事情了這幾天\n\n06:59.522 --> 07:25.147\n在中共的官媒環球網很罕見的報導了兩件事情一個是承認梵蒂岡任命杭州主教做標題等於是承認他任命主教第二個是梵蒂岡希望在中國設立常設辦事處就這個消息因為\n\n07:26.274 --> 07:27.735\n有關於這個報導兩個部分第一個部分就是教廷他\n\n07:53.276 --> 08:02.031\n他任命這個主教杭州主教這件事情是為真這是真的所以中國讓教廷國可以派主教\n\n08:02.728 --> 08:03.308\n因為教廷國\n\n08:24.131 --> 08:31.280\n長期以來是認為任命主教權是神權不能有協調的過程對但是他們跟所以常說這個主教是經過協調任命出來的\n\n08:33.676 --> 09:00.695\n這個是他們依據他們現在已經應該是第5年或第6年有一個臨時協議那他們跟越南也是有類似的處理方法教廷希望在中國設辦事處這件事情教廷已經說了非常多次但是中國依據教廷的說法中國一直在這個問題上他並沒有願意讓步因為教宗\n\n09:01.596 --> 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