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00:01:03,691\n今天我看到我們的議程是說請部長來報告如何用國際友我組織來去加入聯合國那其實在這半年來不管是在當選前後那跟各個不同的國會議員的交流的這個過程當中\n\n4\n00:01:05,373 --> 00:01:29,841\n我們有聽到一些不同的看法就是說當然加入聯合國是一個重要的里程碑那也是我們必須要不斷在促成的但是考量到這一個長安領事國的這個否決權還有他們在整個第三世界國家的這個影響力那短期間就算有歐美的權力的協助也不見得能夠達成所以我今天想問說\n\n5\n00:01:31,380 --> 00:01:41,248\n把這個議程我們用另外一個方式來想如何運用國際友我組織達成加入聯合國的同等目標是部長有怎麼樣的看法針對這句話\n\n6\n00:01:44,540 --> 00:02:06,369\n運用友我的組織達成加入聯合國相關組織的具體做法是你們的命題嘛那我說有沒有辦法運用友我的組織達成加入聯合國的相關的同等目標聯合國的幾個重要的議程是什麼包含永續嘛包含這個跟各國之間的交等等有沒有辦法用超聯合國的這樣子也是一樣\n\n7\n00:02:07,069 --> 00:02:07,229\n主席\n\n8\n00:02:24,056 --> 00:02:51,843\n其實在全球化的時代其實台灣是世界的台灣這個不只是說價值外交理念相近至少說實質上台灣其實對全球的影響是很大的我想包括從晶片那另外一方面就是我們在國際上怎麼去參與當然聯合國是最重要的目標但是不是只有聯合國\n\n9\n00:02:52,603 --> 00:03:16,381\n我們跟很多國家其實很多國際組織也不屬於聯合國那臺灣也可以去創設一些國際組織所以臺灣這方面我們勇敢自信世界同行那至於說為什麼要去處理參加聯合國那是因為中國對於臺灣參加聯合國把它當作一個一中原則的體現我們一定是要去不能夠接受這一種勿用這個所謂的2758號決議\n\n10\n00:03:20,044 --> 00:03:38,143\n那這個就像一個鍋蓋把台灣蓋住這個鍋蓋如果能夠拿走那台灣的國際參與空間就非常的大但是這個目標也是最大的很困難的一個挑戰可是以這個為目標之外我們其實在過程中其實就跟國際有很多的互動\n\n11\n00:03:39,269 --> 00:04:01,755\n其實這個也是另外一個目標所以部長我還是在強調說除了加入聯合國之外其他相似的功能性做功能性的導向來去盤點任何國際組織在非聯合國體制之下我們能夠參與能夠發聲那甚至是能夠扮演重要角色的我們都能夠來去促成我想這也是很重要的但是我想剛才也提到2758號的決議文我想請部長\n\n12\n00:04:03,996 --> 00:04:33,023\n再次透過這樣子國會的這個機會來去重申一下因為2758號決議文現在在中國的敘事框架他直接把它連結到一中原則部長你怎麼看這件事情你覺得我們要怎麼樣解讀我覺得針對美國包括國務院的數次的聲明都可以很清楚的看到其實他們是經過很詳細的研究不管就聯合國的這個2758號決議相關的國際法那其實它的內容\n\n13\n00:04:34,645 --> 00:05:02,906\n不涉及台灣的國際的參與所以這個部分就是一個開放的空間那至於說中共要把它把它扭曲為一中原則進而排除台灣我想我們除了台灣發聲以外其實在國際上現在越來越多都去理解說原來那個是一個中共他這個塑造出來的依靠假的論述那\n\n14\n00:05:04,804 --> 00:05:31,180\n臺灣其實在這個過程裡面跟理念相近的國家像G7其實都以行動在加強我們多邊的關係比如說我們也透過跟美國像GCTF像國際合作訓練架構其實也在架構一個可能另外的一個國際的一種組織的關係所以這些其實空間是非常的大那現在只是怎麼樣讓更多的人正確的理解不要\n\n15\n00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:52,490\n聽信中共的片面之詞而排除了跟台灣交往或國際參與謝謝部長部長再來要請教一下駐美代表的事件我覺得要藉這個機會來正式聽不管是怎麼樣如果有這件事情我們要知道這個進展為如何從2000年到現在我們有幾個代表\n\n16\n00:05:54,840 --> 00:06:20,539\n2000年到現在大概沒關係這個不重要這不重要我們來講一下從陳建仁李大偉吳釗燮袁建生金埔聰省里巡到高碩泰我們一切要講究的是什麼就是說體制上面如果不違法那如果你只是用觀感或者是你代表對一個人的不滿那就可以用內部的方式來去糾舉嗎這是現行的體制是怎麼樣做\n\n17\n00:06:21,459 --> 00:06:21,759\n這是兩個問題就是說採購是不是有為\n\n18\n00:06:27,119 --> 00:06:50,101\n反法規目前因為它既然是我們秘書處跟我們的會計合可的那就是程序上沒有問題所以是合法但是有個項目有些人覺得有意見那也經過媒體報導我們把它澄清就是說這個項目它的真正的價格是多少那有沒有反應實際上就是\n\n19\n00:06:52,023 --> 00:07:05,968\n我現在不就細部來去做討論因為如果要做每一個細部來討論的話那這樣子同時可以反映到五院院長每一個部會的首長甚至包含部長本身下到縣市首長我們要問的是你剛剛說合法在有沒有合理\n\n20\n00:07:11,730 --> 00:07:28,857\n前例可不可詢?從陳建仁、李大維、吳釗燮、袁建生、金浦聰、沈宇群到高索泰,前例比較起來,是不是符合前例?有或沒有?所以除了合法性﹐他的這個﹐合理性﹐有沒有跟過去是一樣的﹐對,等等﹐有沒有不同之處?\n\n21\n00:07:30,162 --> 00:07:30,362\n委員會主席\n\n22\n00:07:51,832 --> 00:08:15,217\n要請教的是有沒有跟潛力是一致性有沒有我不是講單價我不要講價格我們對這個價格如果是合理又合法的話那我們要還公道如果是合法但不合理的話那內部要有懲處那如果又是合法又合理那只是一個外交人員的看法的話那內部要檢討所以你有沒有合法有沒有合理到底這件事情\n\n23\n00:08:16,257 --> 00:08:41,095\n是對還是錯?誰對誰錯?這個一定要很公正的必須要部長作為外交部的大家長必須要站出來哪一個人到底是哪一個人做錯了必須要很明確的克責的這個做法不管是哪一個不管是大型或者是...我們凡是負責基本上這種採購我們都有規範跟程序他只要符合這個規範跟程序基本上我們就尊重嘛不管是權責機關不管是駐外的這個大使或者我們的秘書、會計單位\n\n24\n00:08:44,077 --> 00:08:59,523\n這單項因為外界已經有報導了因為有錯誤的訊息我們就澄清至於說外界認為這樣有沒有必要性去換這個床跟沙發我今天早上也講這床的部分因為20年前同樣一個品牌他去換現在價格比較高\n\n25\n00:09:00,983 --> 00:09:30,009\n他應該是有合理性可是沙發比一般人認定的可能價格高一些那就好好的去說明這個採購因為這個採購已經經過我們外交部的秘書處跟已經合可了在我上任之前我覺得這個只要是依法行政我都予以尊重至於說內部因為有些人對於管理方式有意見而可能去有爆料的問題那只要他的內容是\n\n26\n00:09:31,482 --> 00:09:53,247\n是真的我們就要處理他也許還沒有正式去申訴或者是說去怎麼樣的檢舉我們目前並沒有正式的這樣的一個他提出來但是我們大概知道因為內部的管理又涉及到在外管這個時候\n\n27\n00:09:55,875 --> 00:10:16,611\n要去好好地把內部管理的東西也做個檢討因為讓大家一起一個團隊不要因為互相的這種不信任或者是因為工作上的這些不平而導致我們外館尤其在華府這個地方這麼重要它的能夠發揮的一個功能\n\n28\n00:10:20,799 --> 00:10:21,099\n接下來請黃國昌委員上台質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n86\t22742\t委員長部長好委員長部長台灣現在是正常國家嗎很特別啦很特別嗎我們在國際的地位是很特別的正常的國家\n24716\t46923\t應該說很特別就是當然你看怎麼定義正常比如說國際上面的這個外交上這個處境確實是很不正常很特別一個國家他的幾個構成的要件這個我想就不用再追溯那其中加入聯合國是其中的重要的要件嗎\n49991\t63691\t今天我看到我們的議程是說請部長來報告如何用國際友我組織來去加入聯合國那其實在這半年來不管是在當選前後那跟各個不同的國會議員的交流的這個過程當中\n65373\t89841\t我們有聽到一些不同的看法就是說當然加入聯合國是一個重要的里程碑那也是我們必須要不斷在促成的但是考量到這一個長安領事國的這個否決權還有他們在整個第三世界國家的這個影響力那短期間就算有歐美的權力的協助也不見得能夠達成所以我今天想問說\n91380\t101248\t把這個議程我們用另外一個方式來想如何運用國際友我組織達成加入聯合國的同等目標是部長有怎麼樣的看法針對這句話\n104540\t126369\t運用友我的組織達成加入聯合國相關組織的具體做法是你們的命題嘛那我說有沒有辦法運用友我的組織達成加入聯合國的相關的同等目標聯合國的幾個重要的議程是什麼包含永續嘛包含這個跟各國之間的交等等有沒有辦法用超聯合國的這樣子也是一樣\n127069\t127229\t主席\n144056\t171843\t其實在全球化的時代其實台灣是世界的台灣這個不只是說價值外交理念相近至少說實質上台灣其實對全球的影響是很大的我想包括從晶片那另外一方面就是我們在國際上怎麼去參與當然聯合國是最重要的目標但是不是只有聯合國\n172603\t196381\t我們跟很多國家其實很多國際組織也不屬於聯合國那臺灣也可以去創設一些國際組織所以臺灣這方面我們勇敢自信世界同行那至於說為什麼要去處理參加聯合國那是因為中國對於臺灣參加聯合國把它當作一個一中原則的體現我們一定是要去不能夠接受這一種勿用這個所謂的2758號決議\n200044\t218143\t那這個就像一個鍋蓋把台灣蓋住這個鍋蓋如果能夠拿走那台灣的國際參與空間就非常的大但是這個目標也是最大的很困難的一個挑戰可是以這個為目標之外我們其實在過程中其實就跟國際有很多的互動\n219269\t241755\t其實這個也是另外一個目標所以部長我還是在強調說除了加入聯合國之外其他相似的功能性做功能性的導向來去盤點任何國際組織在非聯合國體制之下我們能夠參與能夠發聲那甚至是能夠扮演重要角色的我們都能夠來去促成我想這也是很重要的但是我想剛才也提到2758號的決議文我想請部長\n243996\t273023\t再次透過這樣子國會的這個機會來去重申一下因為2758號決議文現在在中國的敘事框架他直接把它連結到一中原則部長你怎麼看這件事情你覺得我們要怎麼樣解讀我覺得針對美國包括國務院的數次的聲明都可以很清楚的看到其實他們是經過很詳細的研究不管就聯合國的這個2758號決議相關的國際法那其實它的內容\n274645\t302906\t不涉及台灣的國際的參與所以這個部分就是一個開放的空間那至於說中共要把它把它扭曲為一中原則進而排除台灣我想我們除了台灣發聲以外其實在國際上現在越來越多都去理解說原來那個是一個中共他這個塑造出來的依靠假的論述那\n304804\t331180\t臺灣其實在這個過程裡面跟理念相近的國家像G7其實都以行動在加強我們多邊的關係比如說我們也透過跟美國像GCTF像國際合作訓練架構其實也在架構一個可能另外的一個國際的一種組織的關係所以這些其實空間是非常的大那現在只是怎麼樣讓更多的人正確的理解不要\n332640\t352490\t聽信中共的片面之詞而排除了跟台灣交往或國際參與謝謝部長部長再來要請教一下駐美代表的事件我覺得要藉這個機會來正式聽不管是怎麼樣如果有這件事情我們要知道這個進展為如何從2000年到現在我們有幾個代表\n354840\t380539\t2000年到現在大概沒關係這個不重要這不重要我們來講一下從陳建仁李大偉吳釗燮袁建生金埔聰省里巡到高碩泰我們一切要講究的是什麼就是說體制上面如果不違法那如果你只是用觀感或者是你代表對一個人的不滿那就可以用內部的方式來去糾舉嗎這是現行的體制是怎麼樣做\n381459\t381759\t這是兩個問題就是說採購是不是有為\n387119\t410101\t反法規目前因為它既然是我們秘書處跟我們的會計合可的那就是程序上沒有問題所以是合法但是有個項目有些人覺得有意見那也經過媒體報導我們把它澄清就是說這個項目它的真正的價格是多少那有沒有反應實際上就是\n412023\t425968\t我現在不就細部來去做討論因為如果要做每一個細部來討論的話那這樣子同時可以反映到五院院長每一個部會的首長甚至包含部長本身下到縣市首長我們要問的是你剛剛說合法在有沒有合理\n431730\t448857\t前例可不可詢?從陳建仁、李大維、吳釗燮、袁建生、金浦聰、沈宇群到高索泰,前例比較起來,是不是符合前例?有或沒有?所以除了合法性﹐他的這個﹐合理性﹐有沒有跟過去是一樣的﹐對,等等﹐有沒有不同之處?\n450162\t450362\t委員會主席\n471832\t495217\t要請教的是有沒有跟潛力是一致性有沒有我不是講單價我不要講價格我們對這個價格如果是合理又合法的話那我們要還公道如果是合法但不合理的話那內部要有懲處那如果又是合法又合理那只是一個外交人員的看法的話那內部要檢討所以你有沒有合法有沒有合理到底這件事情\n496257\t521095\t是對還是錯?誰對誰錯?這個一定要很公正的必須要部長作為外交部的大家長必須要站出來哪一個人到底是哪一個人做錯了必須要很明確的克責的這個做法不管是哪一個不管是大型或者是...我們凡是負責基本上這種採購我們都有規範跟程序他只要符合這個規範跟程序基本上我們就尊重嘛不管是權責機關不管是駐外的這個大使或者我們的秘書、會計單位\n524077\t539523\t這單項因為外界已經有報導了因為有錯誤的訊息我們就澄清至於說外界認為這樣有沒有必要性去換這個床跟沙發我今天早上也講這床的部分因為20年前同樣一個品牌他去換現在價格比較高\n540983\t570009\t他應該是有合理性可是沙發比一般人認定的可能價格高一些那就好好的去說明這個採購因為這個採購已經經過我們外交部的秘書處跟已經合可了在我上任之前我覺得這個只要是依法行政我都予以尊重至於說內部因為有些人對於管理方式有意見而可能去有爆料的問題那只要他的內容是\n571482\t593247\t是真的我們就要處理他也許還沒有正式去申訴或者是說去怎麼樣的檢舉我們目前並沒有正式的這樣的一個他提出來但是我們大概知道因為內部的管理又涉及到在外管這個時候\n595875\t616611\t要去好好地把內部管理的東西也做個檢討因為讓大家一起一個團隊不要因為互相的這種不信任或者是因為工作上的這些不平而導致我們外館尤其在華府這個地方這麼重要它的能夠發揮的一個功能\n620799\t621099\t接下來請黃國昌委員上台質詢\n","txt":"委員長部長好委員長部長台灣現在是正常國家嗎很特別啦很特別嗎我們在國際的地位是很特別的正常的國家\n應該說很特別就是當然你看怎麼定義正常比如說國際上面的這個外交上這個處境確實是很不正常很特別一個國家他的幾個構成的要件這個我想就不用再追溯那其中加入聯合國是其中的重要的要件嗎\n今天我看到我們的議程是說請部長來報告如何用國際友我組織來去加入聯合國那其實在這半年來不管是在當選前後那跟各個不同的國會議員的交流的這個過程當中\n我們有聽到一些不同的看法就是說當然加入聯合國是一個重要的里程碑那也是我們必須要不斷在促成的但是考量到這一個長安領事國的這個否決權還有他們在整個第三世界國家的這個影響力那短期間就算有歐美的權力的協助也不見得能夠達成所以我今天想問說\n把這個議程我們用另外一個方式來想如何運用國際友我組織達成加入聯合國的同等目標是部長有怎麼樣的看法針對這句話\n運用友我的組織達成加入聯合國相關組織的具體做法是你們的命題嘛那我說有沒有辦法運用友我的組織達成加入聯合國的相關的同等目標聯合國的幾個重要的議程是什麼包含永續嘛包含這個跟各國之間的交等等有沒有辦法用超聯合國的這樣子也是一樣\n主席\n其實在全球化的時代其實台灣是世界的台灣這個不只是說價值外交理念相近至少說實質上台灣其實對全球的影響是很大的我想包括從晶片那另外一方面就是我們在國際上怎麼去參與當然聯合國是最重要的目標但是不是只有聯合國\n我們跟很多國家其實很多國際組織也不屬於聯合國那臺灣也可以去創設一些國際組織所以臺灣這方面我們勇敢自信世界同行那至於說為什麼要去處理參加聯合國那是因為中國對於臺灣參加聯合國把它當作一個一中原則的體現我們一定是要去不能夠接受這一種勿用這個所謂的2758號決議\n那這個就像一個鍋蓋把台灣蓋住這個鍋蓋如果能夠拿走那台灣的國際參與空間就非常的大但是這個目標也是最大的很困難的一個挑戰可是以這個為目標之外我們其實在過程中其實就跟國際有很多的互動\n其實這個也是另外一個目標所以部長我還是在強調說除了加入聯合國之外其他相似的功能性做功能性的導向來去盤點任何國際組織在非聯合國體制之下我們能夠參與能夠發聲那甚至是能夠扮演重要角色的我們都能夠來去促成我想這也是很重要的但是我想剛才也提到2758號的決議文我想請部長\n再次透過這樣子國會的這個機會來去重申一下因為2758號決議文現在在中國的敘事框架他直接把它連結到一中原則部長你怎麼看這件事情你覺得我們要怎麼樣解讀我覺得針對美國包括國務院的數次的聲明都可以很清楚的看到其實他們是經過很詳細的研究不管就聯合國的這個2758號決議相關的國際法那其實它的內容\n不涉及台灣的國際的參與所以這個部分就是一個開放的空間那至於說中共要把它把它扭曲為一中原則進而排除台灣我想我們除了台灣發聲以外其實在國際上現在越來越多都去理解說原來那個是一個中共他這個塑造出來的依靠假的論述那\n臺灣其實在這個過程裡面跟理念相近的國家像G7其實都以行動在加強我們多邊的關係比如說我們也透過跟美國像GCTF像國際合作訓練架構其實也在架構一個可能另外的一個國際的一種組織的關係所以這些其實空間是非常的大那現在只是怎麼樣讓更多的人正確的理解不要\n聽信中共的片面之詞而排除了跟台灣交往或國際參與謝謝部長部長再來要請教一下駐美代表的事件我覺得要藉這個機會來正式聽不管是怎麼樣如果有這件事情我們要知道這個進展為如何從2000年到現在我們有幾個代表\n2000年到現在大概沒關係這個不重要這不重要我們來講一下從陳建仁李大偉吳釗燮袁建生金埔聰省里巡到高碩泰我們一切要講究的是什麼就是說體制上面如果不違法那如果你只是用觀感或者是你代表對一個人的不滿那就可以用內部的方式來去糾舉嗎這是現行的體制是怎麼樣做\n這是兩個問題就是說採購是不是有為\n反法規目前因為它既然是我們秘書處跟我們的會計合可的那就是程序上沒有問題所以是合法但是有個項目有些人覺得有意見那也經過媒體報導我們把它澄清就是說這個項目它的真正的價格是多少那有沒有反應實際上就是\n我現在不就細部來去做討論因為如果要做每一個細部來討論的話那這樣子同時可以反映到五院院長每一個部會的首長甚至包含部長本身下到縣市首長我們要問的是你剛剛說合法在有沒有合理\n前例可不可詢?從陳建仁、李大維、吳釗燮、袁建生、金浦聰、沈宇群到高索泰,前例比較起來,是不是符合前例?有或沒有?所以除了合法性﹐他的這個﹐合理性﹐有沒有跟過去是一樣的﹐對,等等﹐有沒有不同之處?\n委員會主席\n要請教的是有沒有跟潛力是一致性有沒有我不是講單價我不要講價格我們對這個價格如果是合理又合法的話那我們要還公道如果是合法但不合理的話那內部要有懲處那如果又是合法又合理那只是一個外交人員的看法的話那內部要檢討所以你有沒有合法有沒有合理到底這件事情\n是對還是錯?誰對誰錯?這個一定要很公正的必須要部長作為外交部的大家長必須要站出來哪一個人到底是哪一個人做錯了必須要很明確的克責的這個做法不管是哪一個不管是大型或者是...我們凡是負責基本上這種採購我們都有規範跟程序他只要符合這個規範跟程序基本上我們就尊重嘛不管是權責機關不管是駐外的這個大使或者我們的秘書、會計單位\n這單項因為外界已經有報導了因為有錯誤的訊息我們就澄清至於說外界認為這樣有沒有必要性去換這個床跟沙發我今天早上也講這床的部分因為20年前同樣一個品牌他去換現在價格比較高\n他應該是有合理性可是沙發比一般人認定的可能價格高一些那就好好的去說明這個採購因為這個採購已經經過我們外交部的秘書處跟已經合可了在我上任之前我覺得這個只要是依法行政我都予以尊重至於說內部因為有些人對於管理方式有意見而可能去有爆料的問題那只要他的內容是\n是真的我們就要處理他也許還沒有正式去申訴或者是說去怎麼樣的檢舉我們目前並沒有正式的這樣的一個他提出來但是我們大概知道因為內部的管理又涉及到在外管這個時候\n要去好好地把內部管理的東西也做個檢討因為讓大家一起一個團隊不要因為互相的這種不信任或者是因為工作上的這些不平而導致我們外館尤其在華府這個地方這麼重要它的能夠發揮的一個功能\n接下來請黃國昌委員上台質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.086 --> 00:22.742\n委員長部長好委員長部長台灣現在是正常國家嗎很特別啦很特別嗎我們在國際的地位是很特別的正常的國家\n\n00:24.716 --> 00:46.923\n應該說很特別就是當然你看怎麼定義正常比如說國際上面的這個外交上這個處境確實是很不正常很特別一個國家他的幾個構成的要件這個我想就不用再追溯那其中加入聯合國是其中的重要的要件嗎\n\n00:49.991 --> 01:03.691\n今天我看到我們的議程是說請部長來報告如何用國際友我組織來去加入聯合國那其實在這半年來不管是在當選前後那跟各個不同的國會議員的交流的這個過程當中\n\n01:05.373 --> 01:29.841\n我們有聽到一些不同的看法就是說當然加入聯合國是一個重要的里程碑那也是我們必須要不斷在促成的但是考量到這一個長安領事國的這個否決權還有他們在整個第三世界國家的這個影響力那短期間就算有歐美的權力的協助也不見得能夠達成所以我今天想問說\n\n01:31.380 --> 01:41.248\n把這個議程我們用另外一個方式來想如何運用國際友我組織達成加入聯合國的同等目標是部長有怎麼樣的看法針對這句話\n\n01:44.540 --> 02:06.369\n運用友我的組織達成加入聯合國相關組織的具體做法是你們的命題嘛那我說有沒有辦法運用友我的組織達成加入聯合國的相關的同等目標聯合國的幾個重要的議程是什麼包含永續嘛包含這個跟各國之間的交等等有沒有辦法用超聯合國的這樣子也是一樣\n\n02:07.069 --> 02:07.229\n主席\n\n02:24.056 --> 02:51.843\n其實在全球化的時代其實台灣是世界的台灣這個不只是說價值外交理念相近至少說實質上台灣其實對全球的影響是很大的我想包括從晶片那另外一方面就是我們在國際上怎麼去參與當然聯合國是最重要的目標但是不是只有聯合國\n\n02:52.603 --> 03:16.381\n我們跟很多國家其實很多國際組織也不屬於聯合國那臺灣也可以去創設一些國際組織所以臺灣這方面我們勇敢自信世界同行那至於說為什麼要去處理參加聯合國那是因為中國對於臺灣參加聯合國把它當作一個一中原則的體現我們一定是要去不能夠接受這一種勿用這個所謂的2758號決議\n\n03:20.044 --> 03:38.143\n那這個就像一個鍋蓋把台灣蓋住這個鍋蓋如果能夠拿走那台灣的國際參與空間就非常的大但是這個目標也是最大的很困難的一個挑戰可是以這個為目標之外我們其實在過程中其實就跟國際有很多的互動\n\n03:39.269 --> 04:01.755\n其實這個也是另外一個目標所以部長我還是在強調說除了加入聯合國之外其他相似的功能性做功能性的導向來去盤點任何國際組織在非聯合國體制之下我們能夠參與能夠發聲那甚至是能夠扮演重要角色的我們都能夠來去促成我想這也是很重要的但是我想剛才也提到2758號的決議文我想請部長\n\n04:03.996 --> 04:33.023\n再次透過這樣子國會的這個機會來去重申一下因為2758號決議文現在在中國的敘事框架他直接把它連結到一中原則部長你怎麼看這件事情你覺得我們要怎麼樣解讀我覺得針對美國包括國務院的數次的聲明都可以很清楚的看到其實他們是經過很詳細的研究不管就聯合國的這個2758號決議相關的國際法那其實它的內容\n\n04:34.645 --> 05:02.906\n不涉及台灣的國際的參與所以這個部分就是一個開放的空間那至於說中共要把它把它扭曲為一中原則進而排除台灣我想我們除了台灣發聲以外其實在國際上現在越來越多都去理解說原來那個是一個中共他這個塑造出來的依靠假的論述那\n\n05:04.804 --> 05:31.180\n臺灣其實在這個過程裡面跟理念相近的國家像G7其實都以行動在加強我們多邊的關係比如說我們也透過跟美國像GCTF像國際合作訓練架構其實也在架構一個可能另外的一個國際的一種組織的關係所以這些其實空間是非常的大那現在只是怎麼樣讓更多的人正確的理解不要\n\n05:32.640 --> 05:52.490\n聽信中共的片面之詞而排除了跟台灣交往或國際參與謝謝部長部長再來要請教一下駐美代表的事件我覺得要藉這個機會來正式聽不管是怎麼樣如果有這件事情我們要知道這個進展為如何從2000年到現在我們有幾個代表\n\n05:54.840 --> 06:20.539\n2000年到現在大概沒關係這個不重要這不重要我們來講一下從陳建仁李大偉吳釗燮袁建生金埔聰省里巡到高碩泰我們一切要講究的是什麼就是說體制上面如果不違法那如果你只是用觀感或者是你代表對一個人的不滿那就可以用內部的方式來去糾舉嗎這是現行的體制是怎麼樣做\n\n06:21.459 --> 06:21.759\n這是兩個問題就是說採購是不是有為\n\n06:27.119 --> 06:50.101\n反法規目前因為它既然是我們秘書處跟我們的會計合可的那就是程序上沒有問題所以是合法但是有個項目有些人覺得有意見那也經過媒體報導我們把它澄清就是說這個項目它的真正的價格是多少那有沒有反應實際上就是\n\n06:52.023 --> 07:05.968\n我現在不就細部來去做討論因為如果要做每一個細部來討論的話那這樣子同時可以反映到五院院長每一個部會的首長甚至包含部長本身下到縣市首長我們要問的是你剛剛說合法在有沒有合理\n\n07:11.730 --> 07:28.857\n前例可不可詢?從陳建仁、李大維、吳釗燮、袁建生、金浦聰、沈宇群到高索泰,前例比較起來,是不是符合前例?有或沒有?所以除了合法性﹐他的這個﹐合理性﹐有沒有跟過去是一樣的﹐對,等等﹐有沒有不同之處?\n\n07:30.162 --> 07:30.362\n委員會主席\n\n07:51.832 --> 08:15.217\n要請教的是有沒有跟潛力是一致性有沒有我不是講單價我不要講價格我們對這個價格如果是合理又合法的話那我們要還公道如果是合法但不合理的話那內部要有懲處那如果又是合法又合理那只是一個外交人員的看法的話那內部要檢討所以你有沒有合法有沒有合理到底這件事情\n\n08:16.257 --> 08:41.095\n是對還是錯?誰對誰錯?這個一定要很公正的必須要部長作為外交部的大家長必須要站出來哪一個人到底是哪一個人做錯了必須要很明確的克責的這個做法不管是哪一個不管是大型或者是...我們凡是負責基本上這種採購我們都有規範跟程序他只要符合這個規範跟程序基本上我們就尊重嘛不管是權責機關不管是駐外的這個大使或者我們的秘書、會計單位\n\n08:44.077 --> 08:59.523\n這單項因為外界已經有報導了因為有錯誤的訊息我們就澄清至於說外界認為這樣有沒有必要性去換這個床跟沙發我今天早上也講這床的部分因為20年前同樣一個品牌他去換現在價格比較高\n\n09:00.983 --> 09:30.009\n他應該是有合理性可是沙發比一般人認定的可能價格高一些那就好好的去說明這個採購因為這個採購已經經過我們外交部的秘書處跟已經合可了在我上任之前我覺得這個只要是依法行政我都予以尊重至於說內部因為有些人對於管理方式有意見而可能去有爆料的問題那只要他的內容是\n\n09:31.482 --> 09:53.247\n是真的我們就要處理他也許還沒有正式去申訴或者是說去怎麼樣的檢舉我們目前並沒有正式的這樣的一個他提出來但是我們大概知道因為內部的管理又涉及到在外管這個時候\n\n09:55.875 --> 10:16.611\n要去好好地把內部管理的東西也做個檢討因為讓大家一起一個團隊不要因為互相的這種不信任或者是因為工作上的這些不平而導致我們外館尤其在華府這個地方這麼重要它的能夠發揮的一個功能\n\n10:20.799 --> 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