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00:01:58,889\n所以在這種前提之下如果族委純粹是由行政院長來提名然後總統任命但是這個族委跟所有的族人不熟悉的話你認為他的政務會推行得很順暢嗎?\n\n8\n00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:28,963\n當然如果不熟悉會不順暢不過以我們這28年來的經驗所有的被任命的逝才失任的首長大概都跟主委很熟悉那個副主委這是你的看法啦我想我過去也在內政委員會待過你這樣在當主委的時候我想我的選區新竹縣有兩個原鄉部落那你說這個主委真的跟他們那麼熟嗎沒有\n\n9\n00:02:29,864 --> 00:02:36,369\n主要針對這一次的修法,所以要經過不管是由這個三立原住民、平立原住民、輪流擔任主委,我想這一條這個很公平啊,這個你贊同嗎?這一條的修法。\n\n10\n00:02:53,575 --> 00:02:55,216\n主委有輪流來擔任你認為這樣的修法,你贊不贊成?\n\n11\n00:03:09,403 --> 00:03:23,854\n你回答很簡單回答,贊不贊成啊?因為今天有這個修法嘛,我看你的意見啊,聽一下你的意見因為這是提名跟任命權的問題,提名是不是三元平原,那因為目前在憲法裡面提到三元平原大概只有立法委的選舉\n\n12\n00:03:24,814 --> 00:03:51,720\n副主委我想這個你本身就是原民你可以站在原民的立場來講一下嘛就是說這樣子會不會比較對於不管是三民的照顧平地原住民的照顧可能會比較有均衡啦比較平衡啦不會每次都是平地原住民擔任或者是三地原住民擔任會讓所有的我們的族人啊你們的族人會感覺怎麼會這樣其他如果另外一個族永遠\n\n13\n00:03:52,500 --> 00:04:17,839\n主席和委員都沒有機會去擔任主委嗎?所以用輪流可能會比較恰當。另外就是說我想剛才我也聽莊瑞雄委員講說你們不贊成就是說由這個審查會來統一就是由我們的議員或者鄉鎮長區長來再做一次審查那實際上我想\n\n14\n00:04:19,501 --> 00:04:38,042\n當然從憲法的角度我們固然憲法是好像是有所限制但是我是希望說原民會跳脫一種思考邏輯原住民自治重不重要所以我剛剛也跟你講了說好多這個主委的一個如果他要去當主委他的一個要件\n\n15\n00:04:39,208 --> 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