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00:01:17,820\n所以我們都支持原民政策我們支持讓原民的各項照顧的福利措施更好但是會不會因此又開創了一個違憲的惡例呢我們應當要深思下一頁所以針對今天的修法提案如果說依委員的提案未來強制要求原住民族委員會的主委要兼任政務委員的話那恐怕涉及了影響行政權的人事任命權\n\n4\n00:01:19,241 --> 00:01:22,849\n我認為在憲法的分際上是值得商榷的。下一頁。\n\n5\n00:01:25,100 --> 00:01:48,741\n那要讓主委是由山地原住民平地原住民來輪流擔任那我個人也會粗淺的認為這會不會又落入了一個過去傳統的一個統治框架的迷思會不會是走回頭路那也可能去強害了現在原住民族16族的主體性這是我的質疑好下一頁\n\n6\n00:01:50,655 --> 00:02:10,467\n主委由審查會來行使同意甚至創設了一個從來沒有見過的主委任命的審查會是由地方議會的議員以及鄉鎮市長來審查這對於中央地方權責的混淆因為它史上未見所以基於這三點理由就交予副主委我的這些分析你們會裡的立場是什麼\n\n7\n00:02:13,499 --> 00:02:28,160\n其實就剛剛委員的分析我們是非常的認同因為就我們所寫的報告一樣這個也涉及到憲法56條新政院長提名總統任命相關部會的首長那因為三元平原白你有按麥克風嗎\n\n8\n00:02:29,121 --> 00:02:33,323\n委員高金素梅等26人擬具:「原住民族委員會組織法第三條及第四條條文修正草案．一）委員高金素梅等26人擬具:「原住民族委員會組織法第三條及第四條條文修正草案．吳思瑤\n\n9\n00:02:52,560 --> 00:03:02,957\n委員．吳思瑤委員他代表各族的代表來到原民會參與相關的中央事務．吳思瑤他有很多的業務要進行．吳思瑤對那當然特別提到如果說是由縣市議員鄉鎮長來做一個\n\n10\n00:03:06,050 --> 00:03:09,612\n主委的任命都是中央院長的權責這非常的清楚而目前有兼任政委的是國發會跟國科會\n\n11\n00:03:26,860 --> 00:03:42,137\n但這兩個由政委來兼任主要是因為國發會處理了很多預算公建預算他要分配到各個部會國科會也基於他的科學政策的導入他過去從科技部再回到國科會的\n\n12\n00:03:46,660 --> 00:04:12,598\n國會及國科會基於他的特殊屬性由政委來兼任來能夠協力各個部會都進行國家發展以及科技發展的重要政策所以他有必要其他的委員長陸委會、金管會、海洋委員會、橋委會、退府會還有原民會、科委會都沒有用政委來兼任的\n\n13\n00:04:13,898 --> 00:04:13,918\n吳思瑤\n\n14\n00:04:33,968 --> 00:04:57,527\n或是所謂一克家的五種腔調這個四海大平安都來輪流來擔任我想這是一個比較不需要這樣為分而分這是我個人的看法而且是基於現在的任命的一致性跟需要性所以我對於這幾個委員的提案我表示尊重但我認為值得大大的商榷好下頁\n\n15\n00:04:58,823 --> 00:05:24,250\n那剛剛講到還有另外一個提案也就是提到要把行政院的原民會這屬於行政院二級機關的委員從有幾職來改為無幾職這些委員就我所知道他們當然跟總統府的原轉會是任務編組這個屬性本質完全不同那這些擔任我們的原民會的委員們平常是不是事務很多\n\n16\n00:05:26,091 --> 00:05:46,885\n對,失誤很多,除了參加會議還有包括會刊、審查甚至參與部落的一些活動。所以他不是只有諮詢的那一類的委員嗎?他實質上是有政務推展跟去執行的必要。所以我認為應當維持他的有給值,否則我看以後不會有人來做這個工作吧?\n\n17\n00:05:47,125 --> 00:05:47,265\n委員高金素瑤\n\n18\n00:06:07,032 --> 00:06:32,332\n那因為我看到高金素梅委員在他的提案裡頭有提到說為什麼要讓他主張讓原民會的主委是由政委來兼任是因為現在族群歧視很嚴重他認為讓政委來兼任原民會的主委可以有利的來反族群歧視這是高金素梅委員在他的提案說明裡頭很重要的一個重點\n\n19\n00:06:34,914 --> 00:06:49,966\n這剛好跟我長期在推動的我認為反族群歧視我們需要一個專法而不是讓原民會的主委由政委來兼任就可以去改變我們要去扭轉的這個族群間的平等好下一頁\n\n20\n00:06:51,267 --> 00:07:11,068\n現在的反歧視法在7個法律裡面都散列欠缺法的一致性所以我多次在這裡都提出以下的這些說法今天是就教於原民會我們好幾個委員林德福委員鄭天財委員吳立華委員陳瑩委員都針對反族群歧視有提過法案\n\n21\n00:07:13,030 --> 00:07:42,293\n但是在陳建元院長的指示曾經一度說那由內政部來主責以反族群歧視平等來立法下頁但是經過行政院的審視也包括本席一直在司法法制委員會的倡議我們認為台灣如果要有一部反歧視法或是平等法都應當是方方面面統一規範所有的反歧視的行為不只是族群的它包括性別的工作的包括不同的同志的\n\n22\n00:07:42,853 --> 00:07:44,033\n委員高金素梅等24人擬具«原住民族委員會組織法第三條及第四條條文修正草案案。．吳思瑤\n\n23\n00:08:04,699 --> 00:08:28,384\n因此行政院已經從原本請內政部來做反歧視法現在已經提升到行政院的人權及轉型正義處辦理了三場公聽會提出了行政院版的反歧視法的草案已經公告了對於受保護的特徵行為領域除外條款政府的義務乃至於受歧視者的賠償及救濟有一個專法的版本五月\n\n24\n00:08:30,224 --> 00:08:55,956\n我們看到,然後未來期待會送到立法院來審議。我想請問,在這個法的討論裡頭,原民會應該扮演了非常重要的角色吧?有,我們都有參與,對。所以,那如果有這樣一個專法,那搭配剛剛高金素梅委員所提的,一定要由政務委員來兼任原民會的主委,才能夠做到反歧視的作為,那你覺得法比較有效,還是這個人事任命比較有效?\n\n25\n00:08:56,857 --> 00:08:56,877\n議員吳思瑤\n\n26\n00:09:12,731 --> 00:09:12,971\n謝謝五委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4572\t25252\t請副主委謝謝主席麻煩副主委委員好謝謝今天來看我們今天的幾個修法的提案那我謝謝鄭天財委員剛剛我們在會議期間在台下有多了一些討論我覺得多討論有利於我們更了解原民的想法\n25908\t50234\t也更了解提案委員的很多初衷。我謝謝鄭天財委員給我很多的指導。但當我看到不管是鄭天財委員的提案或是高金素梅委員的提案,針對原住民族委員會組織法的一些任用的方式,那我個人粗淺的判斷,我還是認為它涉及有侵害了憲法的人事任命權,也就是立法侵害行政權的疑慮。\n51414\t77820\t所以我們都支持原民政策我們支持讓原民的各項照顧的福利措施更好但是會不會因此又開創了一個違憲的惡例呢我們應當要深思下一頁所以針對今天的修法提案如果說依委員的提案未來強制要求原住民族委員會的主委要兼任政務委員的話那恐怕涉及了影響行政權的人事任命權\n79241\t82849\t我認為在憲法的分際上是值得商榷的。下一頁。\n85100\t108741\t那要讓主委是由山地原住民平地原住民來輪流擔任那我個人也會粗淺的認為這會不會又落入了一個過去傳統的一個統治框架的迷思會不會是走回頭路那也可能去強害了現在原住民族16族的主體性這是我的質疑好下一頁\n110655\t130467\t主委由審查會來行使同意甚至創設了一個從來沒有見過的主委任命的審查會是由地方議會的議員以及鄉鎮市長來審查這對於中央地方權責的混淆因為它史上未見所以基於這三點理由就交予副主委我的這些分析你們會裡的立場是什麼\n133499\t148160\t其實就剛剛委員的分析我們是非常的認同因為就我們所寫的報告一樣這個也涉及到憲法56條新政院長提名總統任命相關部會的首長那因為三元平原白你有按麥克風嗎\n149121\t153323\t委員高金素梅等26人擬具:「原住民族委員會組織法第三條及第四條條文修正草案．一）委員高金素梅等26人擬具:「原住民族委員會組織法第三條及第四條條文修正草案．吳思瑤\n172560\t182957\t委員．吳思瑤委員他代表各族的代表來到原民會參與相關的中央事務．吳思瑤他有很多的業務要進行．吳思瑤對那當然特別提到如果說是由縣市議員鄉鎮長來做一個\n186050\t189612\t主委的任命都是中央院長的權責這非常的清楚而目前有兼任政委的是國發會跟國科會\n206860\t222137\t但這兩個由政委來兼任主要是因為國發會處理了很多預算公建預算他要分配到各個部會國科會也基於他的科學政策的導入他過去從科技部再回到國科會的\n226660\t252598\t國會及國科會基於他的特殊屬性由政委來兼任來能夠協力各個部會都進行國家發展以及科技發展的重要政策所以他有必要其他的委員長陸委會、金管會、海洋委員會、橋委會、退府會還有原民會、科委會都沒有用政委來兼任的\n253898\t253918\t吳思瑤\n273968\t297527\t或是所謂一克家的五種腔調這個四海大平安都來輪流來擔任我想這是一個比較不需要這樣為分而分這是我個人的看法而且是基於現在的任命的一致性跟需要性所以我對於這幾個委員的提案我表示尊重但我認為值得大大的商榷好下頁\n298823\t324250\t那剛剛講到還有另外一個提案也就是提到要把行政院的原民會這屬於行政院二級機關的委員從有幾職來改為無幾職這些委員就我所知道他們當然跟總統府的原轉會是任務編組這個屬性本質完全不同那這些擔任我們的原民會的委員們平常是不是事務很多\n326091\t346885\t對,失誤很多,除了參加會議還有包括會刊、審查甚至參與部落的一些活動。所以他不是只有諮詢的那一類的委員嗎?他實質上是有政務推展跟去執行的必要。所以我認為應當維持他的有給值,否則我看以後不會有人來做這個工作吧?\n347125\t347265\t委員高金素瑤\n367032\t392332\t那因為我看到高金素梅委員在他的提案裡頭有提到說為什麼要讓他主張讓原民會的主委是由政委來兼任是因為現在族群歧視很嚴重他認為讓政委來兼任原民會的主委可以有利的來反族群歧視這是高金素梅委員在他的提案說明裡頭很重要的一個重點\n394914\t409966\t這剛好跟我長期在推動的我認為反族群歧視我們需要一個專法而不是讓原民會的主委由政委來兼任就可以去改變我們要去扭轉的這個族群間的平等好下一頁\n411267\t431068\t現在的反歧視法在7個法律裡面都散列欠缺法的一致性所以我多次在這裡都提出以下的這些說法今天是就教於原民會我們好幾個委員林德福委員鄭天財委員吳立華委員陳瑩委員都針對反族群歧視有提過法案\n433030\t462293\t但是在陳建元院長的指示曾經一度說那由內政部來主責以反族群歧視平等來立法下頁但是經過行政院的審視也包括本席一直在司法法制委員會的倡議我們認為台灣如果要有一部反歧視法或是平等法都應當是方方面面統一規範所有的反歧視的行為不只是族群的它包括性別的工作的包括不同的同志的\n462853\t464033\t委員高金素梅等24人擬具 «原住民族委員會組織法第三條及第四條條文修正草案案。．吳思瑤\n484699\t508384\t因此行政院已經從原本請內政部來做反歧視法現在已經提升到行政院的人權及轉型正義處辦理了三場公聽會提出了行政院版的反歧視法的草案已經公告了對於受保護的特徵行為領域除外條款政府的義務乃至於受歧視者的賠償及救濟有一個專法的版本五月\n510224\t535956\t我們看到,然後未來期待會送到立法院來審議。我想請問,在這個法的討論裡頭,原民會應該扮演了非常重要的角色吧?有,我們都有參與,對。所以,那如果有這樣一個專法,那搭配剛剛高金素梅委員所提的,一定要由政務委員來兼任原民會的主委,才能夠做到反歧視的作為,那你覺得法比較有效,還是這個人事任命比較有效?\n536857\t536877\t議員吳思瑤\n552731\t552971\t謝謝五委員\n","txt":"請副主委謝謝主席麻煩副主委委員好謝謝今天來看我們今天的幾個修法的提案那我謝謝鄭天財委員剛剛我們在會議期間在台下有多了一些討論我覺得多討論有利於我們更了解原民的想法\n也更了解提案委員的很多初衷。我謝謝鄭天財委員給我很多的指導。但當我看到不管是鄭天財委員的提案或是高金素梅委員的提案,針對原住民族委員會組織法的一些任用的方式,那我個人粗淺的判斷,我還是認為它涉及有侵害了憲法的人事任命權,也就是立法侵害行政權的疑慮。\n所以我們都支持原民政策我們支持讓原民的各項照顧的福利措施更好但是會不會因此又開創了一個違憲的惡例呢我們應當要深思下一頁所以針對今天的修法提案如果說依委員的提案未來強制要求原住民族委員會的主委要兼任政務委員的話那恐怕涉及了影響行政權的人事任命權\n我認為在憲法的分際上是值得商榷的。下一頁。\n那要讓主委是由山地原住民平地原住民來輪流擔任那我個人也會粗淺的認為這會不會又落入了一個過去傳統的一個統治框架的迷思會不會是走回頭路那也可能去強害了現在原住民族16族的主體性這是我的質疑好下一頁\n主委由審查會來行使同意甚至創設了一個從來沒有見過的主委任命的審查會是由地方議會的議員以及鄉鎮市長來審查這對於中央地方權責的混淆因為它史上未見所以基於這三點理由就交予副主委我的這些分析你們會裡的立場是什麼\n其實就剛剛委員的分析我們是非常的認同因為就我們所寫的報告一樣這個也涉及到憲法56條新政院長提名總統任命相關部會的首長那因為三元平原白你有按麥克風嗎\n委員高金素梅等26人擬具:「原住民族委員會組織法第三條及第四條條文修正草案．一）委員高金素梅等26人擬具:「原住民族委員會組織法第三條及第四條條文修正草案．吳思瑤\n委員．吳思瑤委員他代表各族的代表來到原民會參與相關的中央事務．吳思瑤他有很多的業務要進行．吳思瑤對那當然特別提到如果說是由縣市議員鄉鎮長來做一個\n主委的任命都是中央院長的權責這非常的清楚而目前有兼任政委的是國發會跟國科會\n但這兩個由政委來兼任主要是因為國發會處理了很多預算公建預算他要分配到各個部會國科會也基於他的科學政策的導入他過去從科技部再回到國科會的\n國會及國科會基於他的特殊屬性由政委來兼任來能夠協力各個部會都進行國家發展以及科技發展的重要政策所以他有必要其他的委員長陸委會、金管會、海洋委員會、橋委會、退府會還有原民會、科委會都沒有用政委來兼任的\n吳思瑤\n或是所謂一克家的五種腔調這個四海大平安都來輪流來擔任我想這是一個比較不需要這樣為分而分這是我個人的看法而且是基於現在的任命的一致性跟需要性所以我對於這幾個委員的提案我表示尊重但我認為值得大大的商榷好下頁\n那剛剛講到還有另外一個提案也就是提到要把行政院的原民會這屬於行政院二級機關的委員從有幾職來改為無幾職這些委員就我所知道他們當然跟總統府的原轉會是任務編組這個屬性本質完全不同那這些擔任我們的原民會的委員們平常是不是事務很多\n對,失誤很多,除了參加會議還有包括會刊、審查甚至參與部落的一些活動。所以他不是只有諮詢的那一類的委員嗎?他實質上是有政務推展跟去執行的必要。所以我認為應當維持他的有給值,否則我看以後不會有人來做這個工作吧?\n委員高金素瑤\n那因為我看到高金素梅委員在他的提案裡頭有提到說為什麼要讓他主張讓原民會的主委是由政委來兼任是因為現在族群歧視很嚴重他認為讓政委來兼任原民會的主委可以有利的來反族群歧視這是高金素梅委員在他的提案說明裡頭很重要的一個重點\n這剛好跟我長期在推動的我認為反族群歧視我們需要一個專法而不是讓原民會的主委由政委來兼任就可以去改變我們要去扭轉的這個族群間的平等好下一頁\n現在的反歧視法在7個法律裡面都散列欠缺法的一致性所以我多次在這裡都提出以下的這些說法今天是就教於原民會我們好幾個委員林德福委員鄭天財委員吳立華委員陳瑩委員都針對反族群歧視有提過法案\n但是在陳建元院長的指示曾經一度說那由內政部來主責以反族群歧視平等來立法下頁但是經過行政院的審視也包括本席一直在司法法制委員會的倡議我們認為台灣如果要有一部反歧視法或是平等法都應當是方方面面統一規範所有的反歧視的行為不只是族群的它包括性別的工作的包括不同的同志的\n委員高金素梅等24人擬具 «原住民族委員會組織法第三條及第四條條文修正草案案。．吳思瑤\n因此行政院已經從原本請內政部來做反歧視法現在已經提升到行政院的人權及轉型正義處辦理了三場公聽會提出了行政院版的反歧視法的草案已經公告了對於受保護的特徵行為領域除外條款政府的義務乃至於受歧視者的賠償及救濟有一個專法的版本五月\n我們看到,然後未來期待會送到立法院來審議。我想請問,在這個法的討論裡頭,原民會應該扮演了非常重要的角色吧?有,我們都有參與,對。所以,那如果有這樣一個專法,那搭配剛剛高金素梅委員所提的,一定要由政務委員來兼任原民會的主委,才能夠做到反歧視的作為,那你覺得法比較有效,還是這個人事任命比較有效?\n議員吳思瑤\n謝謝五委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.572 --> 00:25.252\n請副主委謝謝主席麻煩副主委委員好謝謝今天來看我們今天的幾個修法的提案那我謝謝鄭天財委員剛剛我們在會議期間在台下有多了一些討論我覺得多討論有利於我們更了解原民的想法\n\n00:25.908 --> 00:50.234\n也更了解提案委員的很多初衷。我謝謝鄭天財委員給我很多的指導。但當我看到不管是鄭天財委員的提案或是高金素梅委員的提案,針對原住民族委員會組織法的一些任用的方式,那我個人粗淺的判斷,我還是認為它涉及有侵害了憲法的人事任命權,也就是立法侵害行政權的疑慮。\n\n00:51.414 --> 01:17.820\n所以我們都支持原民政策我們支持讓原民的各項照顧的福利措施更好但是會不會因此又開創了一個違憲的惡例呢我們應當要深思下一頁所以針對今天的修法提案如果說依委員的提案未來強制要求原住民族委員會的主委要兼任政務委員的話那恐怕涉及了影響行政權的人事任命權\n\n01:19.241 --> 01:22.849\n我認為在憲法的分際上是值得商榷的。下一頁。\n\n01:25.100 --> 01:48.741\n那要讓主委是由山地原住民平地原住民來輪流擔任那我個人也會粗淺的認為這會不會又落入了一個過去傳統的一個統治框架的迷思會不會是走回頭路那也可能去強害了現在原住民族16族的主體性這是我的質疑好下一頁\n\n01:50.655 --> 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