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00:02:21,278\n排灣組的部分在三年前也成立了民族議會他們也正在思考這個方向因為排灣組的部分分布在台東跟屏東兩個區域那屏東大概四分之三的人口台東有四分之一的人口\n\n7\n00:02:23,322 --> 00:02:25,203\n為什麼原住民不能以自身的想法跟理念朝向自治邁進呢?\n\n8\n00:02:47,711 --> 00:03:02,404\n因為以目前原民會成立28年來他整個組織法的運作在不同的政黨之下執行的還算順暢那政委員提案這個部分提的不管是任命的部分或者是\n\n9\n00:03:02,964 --> 00:03:03,084\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:41,958\n中副,我們是原住民,國家這個概念應該在我們存在之後才有的。所以,如果憲法給予我們寬廣的空間,那針對第10條第12項,你有沒有可能在這樣一個思維下,不要自己受限,在現有的條文之內自我矮化,跟自己設限?\n\n11\n00:03:43,178 --> 00:04:07,776\n那這樣才會是我們原住民在朝向我們期待的方向才有可能的一個可能性跟思維,你不覺得嗎?你更懂我講這句話嗎?理解,那因為憲法有按照目前所謂的政黨政治跟行政議題我想現在連市縣的部分都有特別提到這樣的一個任命都有相關的原則跟規定\n\n12\n00:04:10,238 --> 00:04:25,616\n我一直跟您強調第10條的這個部分你們應該跳脫現在已經被殖民跟被框架的思維跳出來到憲法層次來思考原住民的特殊性跟未來\n\n13\n00:04:27,705 --> 00:04:54,224\n這是我給你一個建議那好好地想一想先把它想通想懂然後再試著看看不要自己先跳到已經被殖民被框架的條文之內去思考那這樣我們可能會離我們共同的目標還有一段很長的距離好那另外一個是剛才我們七十將高金委員的這個政委來兼\n\n14\n00:04:55,765 --> 00:05:21,515\n主委的這樣一個概念我覺得挺好的那我來問一個問題本席有碰到啦不曉得你們覺得是怎樣我覺得所有的原住民的立法委員都很認真的幫你們在推動行政事務那你知道為什麼嗎我們在行政單位都待過你覺得原住民的事務有一個共同的困境是什麼比較複雜多元\n\n15\n00:05:23,842 --> 00:05:25,583\n委員會組織法三條及第四條條文修正草案案\n\n16\n00:05:47,319 --> 00:06:05,470\n在本席私下跟你們同仁在討論一些原住民族的業務的時候你們甚至有人還不太清楚其他部會是怎麼的推動的有些平台你們可能還不太清楚在討論些什麼然後都要本席幫你們在其他的事務上跟委員會來做爭取跟推動\n\n17\n00:06:06,731 --> 00:06:32,507\n所以我要講的是那如果政務委員有機會來擔任這樣一個位置主委能兼任主委的話他有沒有可能在一個比較高的高度上來解決你們行政上的困難你覺得有沒有可能同樣的喔同樣的喔不要在自我、行政、殖民、受限跳脫出來一個原住民主體的思考\n\n18\n00:06:34,343 --> 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