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00:03:30,198\n所以我們趁這個機會希望說他能夠加速他的淘汰而不是去做一個補償所以我們希望說他平均每個月大概淘汰120萬隻那我們希望說他能夠加速淘汰那他在加速淘汰的部分我們目標是大概180萬隻那相對的就能夠讓他比較有效的把這些生產蛋的效率不佳的老母雞淘汰然後引進一些比較優質的這個健康的一個雞讓他的產蛋效率比較高\n\n9\n00:03:30,658 --> 00:03:57,769\n但是更重要就是整個產銷的供需裡面其實某一部分是市場機制但是政府我想農業部也不會放任他們完全是市場機制所以我們在供需求的部分我們還會透過很多這種超市賣場的部分能夠帶頭去降低它的末端的售價那末端的售價如果做四度的調降的時候那會刺激相關的消費者那消費者現在很多都在觀望為什麼\n\n10\n00:03:58,709 --> 00:03:58,889\n﹚陳素月\n\n11\n00:04:11,464 --> 00:04:29,460\n市長剛提到這個市場機制當然我們知道有這個市場機制可是我們現在要問的就是說在缺氮的時候我們就會進口氮來彌補這個供應的這個數量那現在就是過剩了那過剩的部分你要怎麼處理你有沒有辦法去幫忙銷到銷價的能啊\n\n12\n00:04:32,202 --> 00:04:36,206\n好,這樣子才能夠讓這個就是減輕這個就是提高這個需求量嘛。那因為尤其啊就是說我們在這個蛋價在持續下跌的時候我們也看到中央續產會啊還釋出了這個1000萬顆的這個是進口蛋嘛。\n\n13\n00:04:50,649 --> 00:05:10,710\n所以這個部分是不是可以請部長說明一下,因為這個部分基農也很不滿,這個彈農也很不滿。我跟委員說明,就是區長會釋出的這些,最主要是以這個彈粉或液彈為主。然後有一部分是茶葉彈,比較少部分。那這個部分特別是在液彈的部分是在加工噴條用的部分。\n\n14\n00:05:11,050 --> 00:05:30,819\n那我昨天特別也跟我們農業部的畜牧師這邊來討論就是在這段時間我們還是不要釋出為主讓這個產地本身能夠比較持平第二個部分剛才委員所說的就是希望我們在淡多的時候能夠類似這種所謂的變成一個倉儲倉儲的方式我們評估的結果\n\n15\n00:05:34,961 --> 00:06:00,232\n在這個時間點,你如果進場去收購的時候,蛋農就不會去做調節。反正生了蛋就有政府來收的時候,會造成說這個產業的老母雞的淘汰會更加的不順利。所以我們分兩個階段,就是說當你的老母雞的淘汰到了一定的水準以後,我們就可以開始有一部分的這種所謂的滾動倉儲的概念能夠導入。\n\n16\n00:06:02,803 --> 00:06:14,170\n當然就是剛剛你有講到這個整個彈機的一個生產就是它有一定的一個期程就是一個節奏那淘汰老母機所以我們也擔心就是說從總機到這個老母機到這個母機然後生蛋這樣子一個生產的一個過程\n\n17\n00:06:22,876 --> 00:06:22,916\n﹚陳素月\n\n18\n00:06:43,340 --> 00:06:43,440\n﹚陳素月\n\n19\n00:06:59,236 --> 00:06:59,376\n﹚陳素月\n\n20\n00:07:18,531 --> 00:07:21,312\n我想非常謝謝那個委員的一個建議跟提醒我們也深刻的去檢討本身的一個雞蛋的一個產銷\n\n21\n00:07:44,400 --> 00:08:04,613\n我個人覺得就是說在112年的時候,那是因為全旅館全世界大規模的發生,造成就算你在生產的時候也不夠。其中還有另外一個非常重要的就是整個產地從總機、除機、單中機到單機本身的資訊,它的定期的更新的速度太慢。\n\n22\n00:08:05,573 --> 00:08:34,541\n所以我在這邊已經要求我們的所有的畜牧師的同仁針對整個的產業鏈的這個資訊的掌握要更及時因為你唯有從整個的產業鏈裡面的各個產業別的本身的這些知識你能夠去了解包括他喚語的部分所以我們現在已經啟動了這樣的一個調查新的一個調查方式然後看用什麼樣的方式讓這個資訊更健全當你把這個資訊更掌握的時候再做後續的預警的部分就能更有效率啦\n\n23\n00:08:34,921 --> 00:08:40,621\n所以這個部分我想我們會針對我們看到的這些必須檢討的部分我們會努力來持續來精進。\n\n24\n00:08:41,721 --> 00:09:06,858\n是,好,就是說這整個生產資訊真的很重要要去掌握然後要就是才能夠去掌握這個生產的一個供需量那另外就是說目前蛋農遇到的問題就是這個蛋價已經不敷成本了那很多蛋農都覺得說他們撐不下去了那你還要等你說這個淘汰老母雞真的對他們幫助不大我們還有什麼比較實質上的幫助\n\n25\n00:09:07,298 --> 00:09:31,332\n我們還有一個就是現在的那個淡雞的這些飼料的部分那因為飼料我們從7月開始我們又延了上個月降低他的那個營業稅的部分那我們希望我們現在正在跟飼料廠再去做洽談因為他們降價的幅度啦他們過去現在說有兩三次的降價可是那個降價的幅度\n\n26\n00:09:32,588 --> 00:09:32,768\n﹚陳素月\n\n27\n00:10:03,068 --> 00:10:25,040\n院長,我們知道科技的AI教父黃仁勳執行長來到台灣可以說是刮起了AI的一個旋風。再加上過去我們也看到台積電是我們的護國神山,它在我們國內設廠也引起我們地方很多縣市爭相爭取希望去那邊投資設廠。\n\n28\n00:10:26,821 --> 00:10:53,578\n可是在我們彰化縣對彰化縣來說像是不是請教卓院長就你所了解彰化縣有沒有可能爭取這個台積電或輝達來設廠世界的大廠能夠到臺灣來投資都是我們歡迎的但是我們也要做好所有的基礎設施包括水電的供應還有整個投資環境工作環境等等那我們會給這些大廠充足的資訊告訴他\n\n29\n00:10:55,479 --> 00:10:58,000\n請教院長就是你知道我們全國各縣市勞工平均薪資最低的是哪裡嗎?\n\n30\n00:11:25,816 --> 00:11:36,230\n我只知道彰化市雞蛋蝦最多的地方。彰化縣市勞工平均薪資最低的地方。為什麼會最低?卓院長你知道嗎?就業的關係。\n\n31\n00:11:39,175 --> 00:11:58,401\n因為都是傳統產業,因為傳統產業薪資本來就是維持在那樣的一個薪資水平。所以你要怎樣拉高彰化縣的一個平均勞工的一個薪資,只有就是一定要有這個大的科技廠、大的一個產業來進駐,才有可能一方面帶動這個產業的發展、繁榮,然後也才有可能\n\n32\n00:12:03,467 --> 00:12:04,048\n﹚陳素月\n\n33\n00:12:22,243 --> 00:12:51,449\n報告委員其實目前我們去盤點過章化的這個水跟電都沒有問題尤其章化目前就一個超高壓的這個用電戶其他的整個這個供電部分是足夠水也是足夠的那請教次長您知道就您這樣說的話那是不是那個中科二林中科可以爭取柴基電跟那個輝達來設廠那個因為是縣政府開發的工業區我們會積極來跟地方政府合作\n\n34\n00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,262\n因為二嶺中科它當初在開發的時候就是有那個環評就是有高耗能就是高耗水的一個限制就是限定在低耗能低耗水的產業進駐\n\n35\n00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,160\n我們再來跟地方政府討論再來跟縣政府討論\n\n36\n00:13:42,205 --> 00:14:00,593\n因為他是縣政府的工業區不是經濟部主管所以我們會站在從旁協助的立場來跟縣政府討論這個程序我現在沒有辦法完整的回答不過因為他是縣政府開發工業區我們就會站在從旁協助的立場來協助\n\n37\n00:14:03,017 --> 00:14:26,027\n我想當初會有這樣子的一個環評的一個條件的限制我想可能也是考慮到供水跟供電的問題那因為彰化縣沒有水庫沒有水庫所以在用水上當然地方當初可能就是會去擔憂到說是不是會排擠到民生用水或農業用水可能有這樣子的一個考量\n\n38\n00:14:26,897 --> 00:14:35,403\n所以在這樣子的外部條件,事實上我們是可以去改善的嘛,去強化的嘛,是不是院長?\n\n39\n00:14:35,403 --> 00:14:46,472\n院長報告委員,在水的部分,水利署現在有要做這個台中彰化,還有雲林這邊的這個調度,我們希望未來能夠有所改善。\n\n40\n00:14:47,383 --> 00:14:55,786\n是,那個電的部分因為我們彰化的外海就是整個臺灣應該說是最優質最大的這個離岸風電廠那目前我們在外海的這個就是風機的離岸風電的這個發電量應該有達到3%至4%了所以在這個用電上應該是很足夠那這個水的部分呢\n\n41\n00:15:11,613 --> 00:15:27,388\n目前政府從北到南都有在規劃這個海淡廠,獨獨就是彰化縣沒有。所以我覺得說這個部分是不是我們希望中央政府也可以來規劃考量設置這個海淡廠,解決這個用水的問題。所以這樣子的話強化了這個水電的條件之後,這個科技產業才有可能來進駐。\n\n42\n00:15:33,919 --> 00:15:47,904\n報告委員現在水是足夠的而且未來會要求50%以上用再生水所以我們先做再生水那個水還會有多所以目前看起來水跟電都不是問題我們先要來解決園區的管理規定這應該是第一個題目\n\n43\n00:16:05,097 --> 00:16:05,422\n好謝謝,謝謝陳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n150\t857\t素月委員質詢。\n26795\t33098\t謝謝主席。請主席邀請卓院長還有農業部陳部長。卓院長還有陳部長請備詢。委員好。院長武安還有部長武安。\n46570\t65729\t我們知道雞蛋是民生的必需品不管是家庭的需求或者是餐飲業、糕餅業等等都有很大的需求我們看到缺蛋的時候因為買不到蛋而且蛋價上揚就會造成消費者有怨言產量過剩的時候\n68051\t81757\t產地價格崩盤也會造成蛋農叫苦年天所以我們也看到最近6月25日就這個禮拜蛋商工會也決議產地價格即日起就是美台金會降兩塊從27.5美台金27.5降到25.5塊那批發價就是在昨天週四會跟進就是從美台金37元會降到美台金35元\n96983\t97103\t﹚陳素月\n118184\t118304\t﹚陳素月\n139462\t162090\t響鐘響鐘\n162170\t162350\t﹚陳素月\n181624\t210198\t所以我們趁這個機會希望說他能夠加速他的淘汰而不是去做一個補償所以我們希望說他平均每個月大概淘汰120萬隻那我們希望說他能夠加速淘汰那他在加速淘汰的部分我們目標是大概180萬隻那相對的就能夠讓他比較有效的把這些生產蛋的效率不佳的老母雞淘汰然後引進一些比較優質的這個健康的一個雞讓他的產蛋效率比較高\n210658\t237769\t但是更重要就是整個產銷的供需裡面其實某一部分是市場機制但是政府我想農業部也不會放任他們完全是市場機制所以我們在供需求的部分我們還會透過很多這種超市賣場的部分能夠帶頭去降低它的末端的售價那末端的售價如果做四度的調降的時候那會刺激相關的消費者那消費者現在很多都在觀望為什麼\n238709\t238889\t﹚陳素月\n251464\t269460\t市長剛提到這個市場機制當然我們知道有這個市場機制可是我們現在要問的就是說在缺氮的時候我們就會進口氮來彌補這個供應的這個數量那現在就是過剩了那過剩的部分你要怎麼處理你有沒有辦法去幫忙銷到銷價的能啊\n272202\t276206\t好,這樣子才能夠讓這個就是減輕這個就是提高這個需求量嘛。那因為尤其啊就是說我們在這個蛋價在持續下跌的時候我們也看到中央續產會啊還釋出了這個1000萬顆的這個是進口蛋嘛。\n290649\t310710\t所以這個部分是不是可以請部長說明一下,因為這個部分基農也很不滿,這個彈農也很不滿。我跟委員說明,就是區長會釋出的這些,最主要是以這個彈粉或液彈為主。然後有一部分是茶葉彈,比較少部分。那這個部分特別是在液彈的部分是在加工噴條用的部分。\n311050\t330819\t那我昨天特別也跟我們農業部的畜牧師這邊來討論就是在這段時間我們還是不要釋出為主讓這個產地本身能夠比較持平第二個部分剛才委員所說的就是希望我們在淡多的時候能夠類似這種所謂的變成一個倉儲倉儲的方式我們評估的結果\n334961\t360232\t在這個時間點,你如果進場去收購的時候,蛋農就不會去做調節。反正生了蛋就有政府來收的時候,會造成說這個產業的老母雞的淘汰會更加的不順利。所以我們分兩個階段,就是說當你的老母雞的淘汰到了一定的水準以後,我們就可以開始有一部分的這種所謂的滾動倉儲的概念能夠導入。\n362803\t374170\t當然就是剛剛你有講到這個整個彈機的一個生產就是它有一定的一個期程就是一個節奏那淘汰老母機所以我們也擔心就是說從總機到這個老母機到這個母機然後生蛋這樣子一個生產的一個過程\n382876\t382916\t﹚陳素月\n403340\t403440\t﹚陳素月\n419236\t419376\t﹚陳素月\n438531\t441312\t我想非常謝謝那個委員的一個建議跟提醒我們也深刻的去檢討本身的一個雞蛋的一個產銷\n464400\t484613\t我個人覺得就是說在112年的時候,那是因為全旅館全世界大規模的發生,造成就算你在生產的時候也不夠。其中還有另外一個非常重要的就是整個產地從總機、除機、單中機到單機本身的資訊,它的定期的更新的速度太慢。\n485573\t514541\t所以我在這邊已經要求我們的所有的畜牧師的同仁針對整個的產業鏈的這個資訊的掌握要更及時因為你唯有從整個的產業鏈裡面的各個產業別的本身的這些知識你能夠去了解包括他喚語的部分所以我們現在已經啟動了這樣的一個調查新的一個調查方式然後看用什麼樣的方式讓這個資訊更健全當你把這個資訊更掌握的時候再做後續的預警的部分就能更有效率啦\n514921\t520621\t所以這個部分我想我們會針對我們看到的這些必須檢討的部分我們會努力來持續來精進。\n521721\t546858\t是,好,就是說這整個生產資訊真的很重要要去掌握然後要就是才能夠去掌握這個生產的一個供需量那另外就是說目前蛋農遇到的問題就是這個蛋價已經不敷成本了那很多蛋農都覺得說他們撐不下去了那你還要等你說這個淘汰老母雞真的對他們幫助不大我們還有什麼比較實質上的幫助\n547298\t571332\t我們還有一個就是現在的那個淡雞的這些飼料的部分那因為飼料我們從7月開始我們又延了上個月降低他的那個營業稅的部分那我們希望我們現在正在跟飼料廠再去做洽談因為他們降價的幅度啦他們過去現在說有兩三次的降價可是那個降價的幅度\n572588\t572768\t﹚陳素月\n603068\t625040\t院長,我們知道科技的AI教父黃仁勳執行長來到台灣可以說是刮起了AI的一個旋風。再加上過去我們也看到台積電是我們的護國神山,它在我們國內設廠也引起我們地方很多縣市爭相爭取希望去那邊投資設廠。\n626821\t653578\t可是在我們彰化縣對彰化縣來說像是不是請教卓院長就你所了解彰化縣有沒有可能爭取這個台積電或輝達來設廠世界的大廠能夠到臺灣來投資都是我們歡迎的但是我們也要做好所有的基礎設施包括水電的供應還有整個投資環境工作環境等等那我們會給這些大廠充足的資訊告訴他\n655479\t658000\t請教院長就是你知道我們全國各縣市勞工平均薪資最低的是哪裡嗎?\n685816\t696230\t我只知道彰化市雞蛋蝦最多的地方。彰化縣市勞工平均薪資最低的地方。為什麼會最低?卓院長你知道嗎?就業的關係。\n699175\t718401\t因為都是傳統產業,因為傳統產業薪資本來就是維持在那樣的一個薪資水平。所以你要怎樣拉高彰化縣的一個平均勞工的一個薪資,只有就是一定要有這個大的科技廠、大的一個產業來進駐,才有可能一方面帶動這個產業的發展、繁榮,然後也才有可能\n723467\t724048\t﹚陳素月\n742243\t771449\t報告委員其實目前我們去盤點過章化的這個水跟電都沒有問題尤其章化目前就一個超高壓的這個用電戶其他的整個這個供電部分是足夠水也是足夠的那請教次長您知道就您這樣說的話那是不是那個中科二林中科可以爭取柴基電跟那個輝達來設廠那個因為是縣政府開發的工業區我們會積極來跟地方政府合作\n775880\t778262\t因為二嶺中科它當初在開發的時候就是有那個環評就是有高耗能就是高耗水的一個限制就是限定在低耗能低耗水的產業進駐\n798120\t799160\t我們再來跟地方政府討論再來跟縣政府討論\n822205\t840593\t因為他是縣政府的工業區不是經濟部主管所以我們會站在從旁協助的立場來跟縣政府討論這個程序我現在沒有辦法完整的回答不過因為他是縣政府開發工業區我們就會站在從旁協助的立場來協助\n843017\t866027\t我想當初會有這樣子的一個環評的一個條件的限制我想可能也是考慮到供水跟供電的問題那因為彰化縣沒有水庫沒有水庫所以在用水上當然地方當初可能就是會去擔憂到說是不是會排擠到民生用水或農業用水可能有這樣子的一個考量\n866897\t875403\t所以在這樣子的外部條件,事實上我們是可以去改善的嘛,去強化的嘛,是不是院長?\n875403\t886472\t院長報告委員,在水的部分,水利署現在有要做這個台中彰化,還有雲林這邊的這個調度,我們希望未來能夠有所改善。\n887383\t895786\t是,那個電的部分因為我們彰化的外海就是整個臺灣應該說是最優質最大的這個離岸風電廠那目前我們在外海的這個就是風機的離岸風電的這個發電量應該有達到3%至4%了所以在這個用電上應該是很足夠那這個水的部分呢\n911613\t927388\t目前政府從北到南都有在規劃這個海淡廠,獨獨就是彰化縣沒有。所以我覺得說這個部分是不是我們希望中央政府也可以來規劃考量設置這個海淡廠,解決這個用水的問題。所以這樣子的話強化了這個水電的條件之後,這個科技產業才有可能來進駐。\n933919\t947904\t報告委員現在水是足夠的而且未來會要求50%以上用再生水所以我們先做再生水那個水還會有多所以目前看起來水跟電都不是問題我們先要來解決園區的管理規定這應該是第一個題目\n965097\t965422\t好謝謝,謝謝陳委員\n","txt":"素月委員質詢。\n謝謝主席。請主席邀請卓院長還有農業部陳部長。卓院長還有陳部長請備詢。委員好。院長武安還有部長武安。\n我們知道雞蛋是民生的必需品不管是家庭的需求或者是餐飲業、糕餅業等等都有很大的需求我們看到缺蛋的時候因為買不到蛋而且蛋價上揚就會造成消費者有怨言產量過剩的時候\n產地價格崩盤也會造成蛋農叫苦年天所以我們也看到最近6月25日就這個禮拜蛋商工會也決議產地價格即日起就是美台金會降兩塊從27.5美台金27.5降到25.5塊那批發價就是在昨天週四會跟進就是從美台金37元會降到美台金35元\n﹚陳素月\n﹚陳素月\n響鐘響鐘\n﹚陳素月\n所以我們趁這個機會希望說他能夠加速他的淘汰而不是去做一個補償所以我們希望說他平均每個月大概淘汰120萬隻那我們希望說他能夠加速淘汰那他在加速淘汰的部分我們目標是大概180萬隻那相對的就能夠讓他比較有效的把這些生產蛋的效率不佳的老母雞淘汰然後引進一些比較優質的這個健康的一個雞讓他的產蛋效率比較高\n但是更重要就是整個產銷的供需裡面其實某一部分是市場機制但是政府我想農業部也不會放任他們完全是市場機制所以我們在供需求的部分我們還會透過很多這種超市賣場的部分能夠帶頭去降低它的末端的售價那末端的售價如果做四度的調降的時候那會刺激相關的消費者那消費者現在很多都在觀望為什麼\n﹚陳素月\n市長剛提到這個市場機制當然我們知道有這個市場機制可是我們現在要問的就是說在缺氮的時候我們就會進口氮來彌補這個供應的這個數量那現在就是過剩了那過剩的部分你要怎麼處理你有沒有辦法去幫忙銷到銷價的能啊\n好,這樣子才能夠讓這個就是減輕這個就是提高這個需求量嘛。那因為尤其啊就是說我們在這個蛋價在持續下跌的時候我們也看到中央續產會啊還釋出了這個1000萬顆的這個是進口蛋嘛。\n所以這個部分是不是可以請部長說明一下,因為這個部分基農也很不滿,這個彈農也很不滿。我跟委員說明,就是區長會釋出的這些,最主要是以這個彈粉或液彈為主。然後有一部分是茶葉彈,比較少部分。那這個部分特別是在液彈的部分是在加工噴條用的部分。\n那我昨天特別也跟我們農業部的畜牧師這邊來討論就是在這段時間我們還是不要釋出為主讓這個產地本身能夠比較持平第二個部分剛才委員所說的就是希望我們在淡多的時候能夠類似這種所謂的變成一個倉儲倉儲的方式我們評估的結果\n在這個時間點,你如果進場去收購的時候,蛋農就不會去做調節。反正生了蛋就有政府來收的時候,會造成說這個產業的老母雞的淘汰會更加的不順利。所以我們分兩個階段,就是說當你的老母雞的淘汰到了一定的水準以後,我們就可以開始有一部分的這種所謂的滾動倉儲的概念能夠導入。\n當然就是剛剛你有講到這個整個彈機的一個生產就是它有一定的一個期程就是一個節奏那淘汰老母機所以我們也擔心就是說從總機到這個老母機到這個母機然後生蛋這樣子一個生產的一個過程\n﹚陳素月\n﹚陳素月\n﹚陳素月\n我想非常謝謝那個委員的一個建議跟提醒我們也深刻的去檢討本身的一個雞蛋的一個產銷\n我個人覺得就是說在112年的時候,那是因為全旅館全世界大規模的發生,造成就算你在生產的時候也不夠。其中還有另外一個非常重要的就是整個產地從總機、除機、單中機到單機本身的資訊,它的定期的更新的速度太慢。\n所以我在這邊已經要求我們的所有的畜牧師的同仁針對整個的產業鏈的這個資訊的掌握要更及時因為你唯有從整個的產業鏈裡面的各個產業別的本身的這些知識你能夠去了解包括他喚語的部分所以我們現在已經啟動了這樣的一個調查新的一個調查方式然後看用什麼樣的方式讓這個資訊更健全當你把這個資訊更掌握的時候再做後續的預警的部分就能更有效率啦\n所以這個部分我想我們會針對我們看到的這些必須檢討的部分我們會努力來持續來精進。\n是,好,就是說這整個生產資訊真的很重要要去掌握然後要就是才能夠去掌握這個生產的一個供需量那另外就是說目前蛋農遇到的問題就是這個蛋價已經不敷成本了那很多蛋農都覺得說他們撐不下去了那你還要等你說這個淘汰老母雞真的對他們幫助不大我們還有什麼比較實質上的幫助\n我們還有一個就是現在的那個淡雞的這些飼料的部分那因為飼料我們從7月開始我們又延了上個月降低他的那個營業稅的部分那我們希望我們現在正在跟飼料廠再去做洽談因為他們降價的幅度啦他們過去現在說有兩三次的降價可是那個降價的幅度\n﹚陳素月\n院長,我們知道科技的AI教父黃仁勳執行長來到台灣可以說是刮起了AI的一個旋風。再加上過去我們也看到台積電是我們的護國神山,它在我們國內設廠也引起我們地方很多縣市爭相爭取希望去那邊投資設廠。\n可是在我們彰化縣對彰化縣來說像是不是請教卓院長就你所了解彰化縣有沒有可能爭取這個台積電或輝達來設廠世界的大廠能夠到臺灣來投資都是我們歡迎的但是我們也要做好所有的基礎設施包括水電的供應還有整個投資環境工作環境等等那我們會給這些大廠充足的資訊告訴他\n請教院長就是你知道我們全國各縣市勞工平均薪資最低的是哪裡嗎?\n我只知道彰化市雞蛋蝦最多的地方。彰化縣市勞工平均薪資最低的地方。為什麼會最低?卓院長你知道嗎?就業的關係。\n因為都是傳統產業,因為傳統產業薪資本來就是維持在那樣的一個薪資水平。所以你要怎樣拉高彰化縣的一個平均勞工的一個薪資,只有就是一定要有這個大的科技廠、大的一個產業來進駐,才有可能一方面帶動這個產業的發展、繁榮,然後也才有可能\n﹚陳素月\n報告委員其實目前我們去盤點過章化的這個水跟電都沒有問題尤其章化目前就一個超高壓的這個用電戶其他的整個這個供電部分是足夠水也是足夠的那請教次長您知道就您這樣說的話那是不是那個中科二林中科可以爭取柴基電跟那個輝達來設廠那個因為是縣政府開發的工業區我們會積極來跟地方政府合作\n因為二嶺中科它當初在開發的時候就是有那個環評就是有高耗能就是高耗水的一個限制就是限定在低耗能低耗水的產業進駐\n我們再來跟地方政府討論再來跟縣政府討論\n因為他是縣政府的工業區不是經濟部主管所以我們會站在從旁協助的立場來跟縣政府討論這個程序我現在沒有辦法完整的回答不過因為他是縣政府開發工業區我們就會站在從旁協助的立場來協助\n我想當初會有這樣子的一個環評的一個條件的限制我想可能也是考慮到供水跟供電的問題那因為彰化縣沒有水庫沒有水庫所以在用水上當然地方當初可能就是會去擔憂到說是不是會排擠到民生用水或農業用水可能有這樣子的一個考量\n所以在這樣子的外部條件,事實上我們是可以去改善的嘛,去強化的嘛,是不是院長?\n院長報告委員,在水的部分,水利署現在有要做這個台中彰化,還有雲林這邊的這個調度,我們希望未來能夠有所改善。\n是,那個電的部分因為我們彰化的外海就是整個臺灣應該說是最優質最大的這個離岸風電廠那目前我們在外海的這個就是風機的離岸風電的這個發電量應該有達到3%至4%了所以在這個用電上應該是很足夠那這個水的部分呢\n目前政府從北到南都有在規劃這個海淡廠,獨獨就是彰化縣沒有。所以我覺得說這個部分是不是我們希望中央政府也可以來規劃考量設置這個海淡廠,解決這個用水的問題。所以這樣子的話強化了這個水電的條件之後,這個科技產業才有可能來進駐。\n報告委員現在水是足夠的而且未來會要求50%以上用再生水所以我們先做再生水那個水還會有多所以目前看起來水跟電都不是問題我們先要來解決園區的管理規定這應該是第一個題目\n好謝謝,謝謝陳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.150 --> 00:00.857\n素月委員質詢。\n\n00:26.795 --> 00:33.098\n謝謝主席。請主席邀請卓院長還有農業部陳部長。卓院長還有陳部長請備詢。委員好。院長武安還有部長武安。\n\n00:46.570 --> 01:05.729\n我們知道雞蛋是民生的必需品不管是家庭的需求或者是餐飲業、糕餅業等等都有很大的需求我們看到缺蛋的時候因為買不到蛋而且蛋價上揚就會造成消費者有怨言產量過剩的時候\n\n01:08.051 --> 01:21.757\n產地價格崩盤也會造成蛋農叫苦年天所以我們也看到最近6月25日就這個禮拜蛋商工會也決議產地價格即日起就是美台金會降兩塊從27.5美台金27.5降到25.5塊那批發價就是在昨天週四會跟進就是從美台金37元會降到美台金35元\n\n01:36.983 --> 01:37.103\n﹚陳素月\n\n01:58.184 --> 01:58.304\n﹚陳素月\n\n02:42.170 --> 02:42.350\n﹚陳素月\n\n03:01.624 --> 03:30.198\n所以我們趁這個機會希望說他能夠加速他的淘汰而不是去做一個補償所以我們希望說他平均每個月大概淘汰120萬隻那我們希望說他能夠加速淘汰那他在加速淘汰的部分我們目標是大概180萬隻那相對的就能夠讓他比較有效的把這些生產蛋的效率不佳的老母雞淘汰然後引進一些比較優質的這個健康的一個雞讓他的產蛋效率比較高\n\n03:30.658 --> 03:57.769\n但是更重要就是整個產銷的供需裡面其實某一部分是市場機制但是政府我想農業部也不會放任他們完全是市場機制所以我們在供需求的部分我們還會透過很多這種超市賣場的部分能夠帶頭去降低它的末端的售價那末端的售價如果做四度的調降的時候那會刺激相關的消費者那消費者現在很多都在觀望為什麼\n\n03:58.709 --> 03:58.889\n﹚陳素月\n\n04:11.464 --> 04:29.460\n市長剛提到這個市場機制當然我們知道有這個市場機制可是我們現在要問的就是說在缺氮的時候我們就會進口氮來彌補這個供應的這個數量那現在就是過剩了那過剩的部分你要怎麼處理你有沒有辦法去幫忙銷到銷價的能啊\n\n04:32.202 --> 04:36.206\n好,這樣子才能夠讓這個就是減輕這個就是提高這個需求量嘛。那因為尤其啊就是說我們在這個蛋價在持續下跌的時候我們也看到中央續產會啊還釋出了這個1000萬顆的這個是進口蛋嘛。\n\n04:50.649 --> 05:10.710\n所以這個部分是不是可以請部長說明一下,因為這個部分基農也很不滿,這個彈農也很不滿。我跟委員說明,就是區長會釋出的這些,最主要是以這個彈粉或液彈為主。然後有一部分是茶葉彈,比較少部分。那這個部分特別是在液彈的部分是在加工噴條用的部分。\n\n05:11.050 --> 05:30.819\n那我昨天特別也跟我們農業部的畜牧師這邊來討論就是在這段時間我們還是不要釋出為主讓這個產地本身能夠比較持平第二個部分剛才委員所說的就是希望我們在淡多的時候能夠類似這種所謂的變成一個倉儲倉儲的方式我們評估的結果\n\n05:34.961 --> 06:00.232\n在這個時間點,你如果進場去收購的時候,蛋農就不會去做調節。反正生了蛋就有政府來收的時候,會造成說這個產業的老母雞的淘汰會更加的不順利。所以我們分兩個階段,就是說當你的老母雞的淘汰到了一定的水準以後,我們就可以開始有一部分的這種所謂的滾動倉儲的概念能夠導入。\n\n06:02.803 --> 06:14.170\n當然就是剛剛你有講到這個整個彈機的一個生產就是它有一定的一個期程就是一個節奏那淘汰老母機所以我們也擔心就是說從總機到這個老母機到這個母機然後生蛋這樣子一個生產的一個過程\n\n06:22.876 --> 06:22.916\n﹚陳素月\n\n06:43.340 --> 06:43.440\n﹚陳素月\n\n06:59.236 --> 06:59.376\n﹚陳素月\n\n07:18.531 --> 07:21.312\n我想非常謝謝那個委員的一個建議跟提醒我們也深刻的去檢討本身的一個雞蛋的一個產銷\n\n07:44.400 --> 08:04.613\n我個人覺得就是說在112年的時候,那是因為全旅館全世界大規模的發生,造成就算你在生產的時候也不夠。其中還有另外一個非常重要的就是整個產地從總機、除機、單中機到單機本身的資訊,它的定期的更新的速度太慢。\n\n08:05.573 --> 08:34.541\n所以我在這邊已經要求我們的所有的畜牧師的同仁針對整個的產業鏈的這個資訊的掌握要更及時因為你唯有從整個的產業鏈裡面的各個產業別的本身的這些知識你能夠去了解包括他喚語的部分所以我們現在已經啟動了這樣的一個調查新的一個調查方式然後看用什麼樣的方式讓這個資訊更健全當你把這個資訊更掌握的時候再做後續的預警的部分就能更有效率啦\n\n08:34.921 --> 08:40.621\n所以這個部分我想我們會針對我們看到的這些必須檢討的部分我們會努力來持續來精進。\n\n08:41.721 --> 09:06.858\n是,好,就是說這整個生產資訊真的很重要要去掌握然後要就是才能夠去掌握這個生產的一個供需量那另外就是說目前蛋農遇到的問題就是這個蛋價已經不敷成本了那很多蛋農都覺得說他們撐不下去了那你還要等你說這個淘汰老母雞真的對他們幫助不大我們還有什麼比較實質上的幫助\n\n09:07.298 --> 09:31.332\n我們還有一個就是現在的那個淡雞的這些飼料的部分那因為飼料我們從7月開始我們又延了上個月降低他的那個營業稅的部分那我們希望我們現在正在跟飼料廠再去做洽談因為他們降價的幅度啦他們過去現在說有兩三次的降價可是那個降價的幅度\n\n09:32.588 --> 09:32.768\n﹚陳素月\n\n10:03.068 --> 10:25.040\n院長,我們知道科技的AI教父黃仁勳執行長來到台灣可以說是刮起了AI的一個旋風。再加上過去我們也看到台積電是我們的護國神山,它在我們國內設廠也引起我們地方很多縣市爭相爭取希望去那邊投資設廠。\n\n10:26.821 --> 10:53.578\n可是在我們彰化縣對彰化縣來說像是不是請教卓院長就你所了解彰化縣有沒有可能爭取這個台積電或輝達來設廠世界的大廠能夠到臺灣來投資都是我們歡迎的但是我們也要做好所有的基礎設施包括水電的供應還有整個投資環境工作環境等等那我們會給這些大廠充足的資訊告訴他\n\n10:55.479 --> 10:58.000\n請教院長就是你知道我們全國各縣市勞工平均薪資最低的是哪裡嗎?\n\n11:25.816 --> 11:36.230\n我只知道彰化市雞蛋蝦最多的地方。彰化縣市勞工平均薪資最低的地方。為什麼會最低?卓院長你知道嗎?就業的關係。\n\n11:39.175 --> 11:58.401\n因為都是傳統產業,因為傳統產業薪資本來就是維持在那樣的一個薪資水平。所以你要怎樣拉高彰化縣的一個平均勞工的一個薪資,只有就是一定要有這個大的科技廠、大的一個產業來進駐,才有可能一方面帶動這個產業的發展、繁榮,然後也才有可能\n\n12:03.467 --> 12:04.048\n﹚陳素月\n\n12:22.243 --> 12:51.449\n報告委員其實目前我們去盤點過章化的這個水跟電都沒有問題尤其章化目前就一個超高壓的這個用電戶其他的整個這個供電部分是足夠水也是足夠的那請教次長您知道就您這樣說的話那是不是那個中科二林中科可以爭取柴基電跟那個輝達來設廠那個因為是縣政府開發的工業區我們會積極來跟地方政府合作\n\n12:55.880 --> 12:58.262\n因為二嶺中科它當初在開發的時候就是有那個環評就是有高耗能就是高耗水的一個限制就是限定在低耗能低耗水的產業進駐\n\n13:18.120 --> 13:19.160\n我們再來跟地方政府討論再來跟縣政府討論\n\n13:42.205 --> 14:00.593\n因為他是縣政府的工業區不是經濟部主管所以我們會站在從旁協助的立場來跟縣政府討論這個程序我現在沒有辦法完整的回答不過因為他是縣政府開發工業區我們就會站在從旁協助的立場來協助\n\n14:03.017 --> 14:26.027\n我想當初會有這樣子的一個環評的一個條件的限制我想可能也是考慮到供水跟供電的問題那因為彰化縣沒有水庫沒有水庫所以在用水上當然地方當初可能就是會去擔憂到說是不是會排擠到民生用水或農業用水可能有這樣子的一個考量\n\n14:26.897 --> 14:35.403\n所以在這樣子的外部條件,事實上我們是可以去改善的嘛,去強化的嘛,是不是院長?\n\n14:35.403 --> 14:46.472\n院長報告委員,在水的部分,水利署現在有要做這個台中彰化,還有雲林這邊的這個調度,我們希望未來能夠有所改善。\n\n14:47.383 --> 14:55.786\n是,那個電的部分因為我們彰化的外海就是整個臺灣應該說是最優質最大的這個離岸風電廠那目前我們在外海的這個就是風機的離岸風電的這個發電量應該有達到3%至4%了所以在這個用電上應該是很足夠那這個水的部分呢\n\n15:11.613 --> 15:27.388\n目前政府從北到南都有在規劃這個海淡廠,獨獨就是彰化縣沒有。所以我覺得說這個部分是不是我們希望中央政府也可以來規劃考量設置這個海淡廠,解決這個用水的問題。所以這樣子的話強化了這個水電的條件之後,這個科技產業才有可能來進駐。\n\n15:33.919 --> 15:47.904\n報告委員現在水是足夠的而且未來會要求50%以上用再生水所以我們先做再生水那個水還會有多所以目前看起來水跟電都不是問題我們先要來解決園區的管理規定這應該是第一個題目\n\n16:05.097 --> 16:05.422\n好謝謝,謝謝陳委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.15,"end":0.857,"text":"素月委員質詢。"},{"start":26.795,"end":33.098,"text":"謝謝主席。請主席邀請卓院長還有農業部陳部長。卓院長還有陳部長請備詢。委員好。院長武安還有部長武安。"},{"start":46.57,"end":65.729,"text":"我們知道雞蛋是民生的必需品不管是家庭的需求或者是餐飲業、糕餅業等等都有很大的需求我們看到缺蛋的時候因為買不到蛋而且蛋價上揚就會造成消費者有怨言產量過剩的時候"},{"start":68.051,"end":81.757,"text":"產地價格崩盤也會造成蛋農叫苦年天所以我們也看到最近6月25日就這個禮拜蛋商工會也決議產地價格即日起就是美台金會降兩塊從27.5美台金27.5降到25.5塊那批發價就是在昨天週四會跟進就是從美台金37元會降到美台金35元"},{"start":96.983,"end":97.103,"text":"﹚陳素月"},{"start":118.184,"end":118.304,"text":"﹚陳素月"},{"start":139.462,"end":162.09,"text":"響鐘響鐘"},{"start":162.17,"end":162.35,"text":"﹚陳素月"},{"start":181.624,"end":210.198,"text":"所以我們趁這個機會希望說他能夠加速他的淘汰而不是去做一個補償所以我們希望說他平均每個月大概淘汰120萬隻那我們希望說他能夠加速淘汰那他在加速淘汰的部分我們目標是大概180萬隻那相對的就能夠讓他比較有效的把這些生產蛋的效率不佳的老母雞淘汰然後引進一些比較優質的這個健康的一個雞讓他的產蛋效率比較高"},{"start":210.658,"end":237.769,"text":"但是更重要就是整個產銷的供需裡面其實某一部分是市場機制但是政府我想農業部也不會放任他們完全是市場機制所以我們在供需求的部分我們還會透過很多這種超市賣場的部分能夠帶頭去降低它的末端的售價那末端的售價如果做四度的調降的時候那會刺激相關的消費者那消費者現在很多都在觀望為什麼"},{"start":238.709,"end":238.889,"text":"﹚陳素月"},{"start":251.464,"end":269.46,"text":"市長剛提到這個市場機制當然我們知道有這個市場機制可是我們現在要問的就是說在缺氮的時候我們就會進口氮來彌補這個供應的這個數量那現在就是過剩了那過剩的部分你要怎麼處理你有沒有辦法去幫忙銷到銷價的能啊"},{"start":272.202,"end":276.206,"text":"好,這樣子才能夠讓這個就是減輕這個就是提高這個需求量嘛。那因為尤其啊就是說我們在這個蛋價在持續下跌的時候我們也看到中央續產會啊還釋出了這個1000萬顆的這個是進口蛋嘛。"},{"start":290.649,"end":310.71,"text":"所以這個部分是不是可以請部長說明一下,因為這個部分基農也很不滿,這個彈農也很不滿。我跟委員說明,就是區長會釋出的這些,最主要是以這個彈粉或液彈為主。然後有一部分是茶葉彈,比較少部分。那這個部分特別是在液彈的部分是在加工噴條用的部分。"},{"start":311.05,"end":330.819,"text":"那我昨天特別也跟我們農業部的畜牧師這邊來討論就是在這段時間我們還是不要釋出為主讓這個產地本身能夠比較持平第二個部分剛才委員所說的就是希望我們在淡多的時候能夠類似這種所謂的變成一個倉儲倉儲的方式我們評估的結果"},{"start":334.961,"end":360.232,"text":"在這個時間點,你如果進場去收購的時候,蛋農就不會去做調節。反正生了蛋就有政府來收的時候,會造成說這個產業的老母雞的淘汰會更加的不順利。所以我們分兩個階段,就是說當你的老母雞的淘汰到了一定的水準以後,我們就可以開始有一部分的這種所謂的滾動倉儲的概念能夠導入。"},{"start":362.803,"end":374.17,"text":"當然就是剛剛你有講到這個整個彈機的一個生產就是它有一定的一個期程就是一個節奏那淘汰老母機所以我們也擔心就是說從總機到這個老母機到這個母機然後生蛋這樣子一個生產的一個過程"},{"start":382.876,"end":382.916,"text":"﹚陳素月"},{"start":403.34,"end":403.44,"text":"﹚陳素月"},{"start":419.236,"end":419.376,"text":"﹚陳素月"},{"start":438.531,"end":441.312,"text":"我想非常謝謝那個委員的一個建議跟提醒我們也深刻的去檢討本身的一個雞蛋的一個產銷"},{"start":464.4,"end":484.613,"text":"我個人覺得就是說在112年的時候,那是因為全旅館全世界大規模的發生,造成就算你在生產的時候也不夠。其中還有另外一個非常重要的就是整個產地從總機、除機、單中機到單機本身的資訊,它的定期的更新的速度太慢。"},{"start":485.573,"end":514.541,"text":"所以我在這邊已經要求我們的所有的畜牧師的同仁針對整個的產業鏈的這個資訊的掌握要更及時因為你唯有從整個的產業鏈裡面的各個產業別的本身的這些知識你能夠去了解包括他喚語的部分所以我們現在已經啟動了這樣的一個調查新的一個調查方式然後看用什麼樣的方式讓這個資訊更健全當你把這個資訊更掌握的時候再做後續的預警的部分就能更有效率啦"},{"start":514.921,"end":520.621,"text":"所以這個部分我想我們會針對我們看到的這些必須檢討的部分我們會努力來持續來精進。"},{"start":521.721,"end":546.858,"text":"是,好,就是說這整個生產資訊真的很重要要去掌握然後要就是才能夠去掌握這個生產的一個供需量那另外就是說目前蛋農遇到的問題就是這個蛋價已經不敷成本了那很多蛋農都覺得說他們撐不下去了那你還要等你說這個淘汰老母雞真的對他們幫助不大我們還有什麼比較實質上的幫助"},{"start":547.298,"end":571.332,"text":"我們還有一個就是現在的那個淡雞的這些飼料的部分那因為飼料我們從7月開始我們又延了上個月降低他的那個營業稅的部分那我們希望我們現在正在跟飼料廠再去做洽談因為他們降價的幅度啦他們過去現在說有兩三次的降價可是那個降價的幅度"},{"start":572.588,"end":572.768,"text":"﹚陳素月"},{"start":603.068,"end":625.04,"text":"院長,我們知道科技的AI教父黃仁勳執行長來到台灣可以說是刮起了AI的一個旋風。再加上過去我們也看到台積電是我們的護國神山,它在我們國內設廠也引起我們地方很多縣市爭相爭取希望去那邊投資設廠。"},{"start":626.821,"end":653.578,"text":"可是在我們彰化縣對彰化縣來說像是不是請教卓院長就你所了解彰化縣有沒有可能爭取這個台積電或輝達來設廠世界的大廠能夠到臺灣來投資都是我們歡迎的但是我們也要做好所有的基礎設施包括水電的供應還有整個投資環境工作環境等等那我們會給這些大廠充足的資訊告訴他"},{"start":655.479,"end":658,"text":"請教院長就是你知道我們全國各縣市勞工平均薪資最低的是哪裡嗎?"},{"start":685.816,"end":696.23,"text":"我只知道彰化市雞蛋蝦最多的地方。彰化縣市勞工平均薪資最低的地方。為什麼會最低?卓院長你知道嗎?就業的關係。"},{"start":699.175,"end":718.401,"text":"因為都是傳統產業,因為傳統產業薪資本來就是維持在那樣的一個薪資水平。所以你要怎樣拉高彰化縣的一個平均勞工的一個薪資,只有就是一定要有這個大的科技廠、大的一個產業來進駐,才有可能一方面帶動這個產業的發展、繁榮,然後也才有可能"},{"start":723.467,"end":724.048,"text":"﹚陳素月"},{"start":742.243,"end":771.449,"text":"報告委員其實目前我們去盤點過章化的這個水跟電都沒有問題尤其章化目前就一個超高壓的這個用電戶其他的整個這個供電部分是足夠水也是足夠的那請教次長您知道就您這樣說的話那是不是那個中科二林中科可以爭取柴基電跟那個輝達來設廠那個因為是縣政府開發的工業區我們會積極來跟地方政府合作"},{"start":775.88,"end":778.262,"text":"因為二嶺中科它當初在開發的時候就是有那個環評就是有高耗能就是高耗水的一個限制就是限定在低耗能低耗水的產業進駐"},{"start":798.12,"end":799.16,"text":"我們再來跟地方政府討論再來跟縣政府討論"},{"start":822.205,"end":840.593,"text":"因為他是縣政府的工業區不是經濟部主管所以我們會站在從旁協助的立場來跟縣政府討論這個程序我現在沒有辦法完整的回答不過因為他是縣政府開發工業區我們就會站在從旁協助的立場來協助"},{"start":843.017,"end":866.027,"text":"我想當初會有這樣子的一個環評的一個條件的限制我想可能也是考慮到供水跟供電的問題那因為彰化縣沒有水庫沒有水庫所以在用水上當然地方當初可能就是會去擔憂到說是不是會排擠到民生用水或農業用水可能有這樣子的一個考量"},{"start":866.897,"end":875.403,"text":"所以在這樣子的外部條件,事實上我們是可以去改善的嘛,去強化的嘛,是不是院長?"},{"start":875.403,"end":886.472,"text":"院長報告委員,在水的部分,水利署現在有要做這個台中彰化,還有雲林這邊的這個調度,我們希望未來能夠有所改善。"},{"start":887.383,"end":895.786,"text":"是,那個電的部分因為我們彰化的外海就是整個臺灣應該說是最優質最大的這個離岸風電廠那目前我們在外海的這個就是風機的離岸風電的這個發電量應該有達到3%至4%了所以在這個用電上應該是很足夠那這個水的部分呢"},{"start":911.613,"end":927.388,"text":"目前政府從北到南都有在規劃這個海淡廠,獨獨就是彰化縣沒有。所以我覺得說這個部分是不是我們希望中央政府也可以來規劃考量設置這個海淡廠,解決這個用水的問題。所以這樣子的話強化了這個水電的條件之後,這個科技產業才有可能來進駐。"},{"start":933.919,"end":947.904,"text":"報告委員現在水是足夠的而且未來會要求50%以上用再生水所以我們先做再生水那個水還會有多所以目前看起來水跟電都不是問題我們先要來解決園區的管理規定這應該是第一個題目"},{"start":965.097,"end":965.422,"text":"好謝謝,謝謝陳委員"}]}}}}