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00:01:51,357\n我沒有這種感覺,因為我覺得應該要做的,只要跟行政院或相關的前輩,包括我在台大的老師陳志宏教授那我問你一個問題,健康臺灣促進委員會所做的決議,衛福部是不是要照單全收?你有沒有說不的空間?這委員會裡面開會所決議的事項,衛福部有沒有說不的空間?部長有沒有說不的空間?\n\n5\n00:01:52,578 --> 00:02:20,415\n應該是沒有吧?因為他是總統府層級啊?對不對?那如果跟你的意見不合的時候怎麼辦?部長跟召委的意見不合的時候召集人意見不合的時候聽誰的?聽部長的還是聽陳志宏的?我想那個總統也是一個非常優秀的醫師出身那陳志宏老師他也是非常有行政經驗我覺得我們過去幾年來在醫療政策防疫政策的溝通\n\n6\n00:02:23,878 --> 00:02:49,335\n你認為他會尊重你嗎?那你在這個委員會扮演什麼角色?開會的時候你去嗎?那開委員會的時候部長會收邀出席?你不是召集人也不是副召集人?你是列席?我知道,你就是幕僚嘛所以決策主持人是陳志宏醫師嗎?對不對?\n\n7\n00:02:51,124 --> 00:02:57,049\n前委員放心,我想我們過去的合作經驗我希望是溝通無礙,因為這個是過去所未見,你也擔任過委員嗎?我們擔任委員我在未還第三屆了,我從來沒有看到說在部長之上在架設一個委員會,然後可以來指揮這個衛福部的,過去從來都沒有,所以\n\n8\n00:03:13,524 --> 00:03:32,219\n坦白講我為你有點抱屈啦就是說這樣子的一個組織架構對衛福部做一個部長他想要做很多事情來講的話難免會有點自走當理念不一致的時候所以這個部分我真的希望賴總統也要看見今天我們邀請任何人是人才來擔任部長就應該要授權\n\n9\n00:03:33,620 --> 00:03:58,686\n應該給你最大決策空間我覺得這個才是信任你的專業啦照道理來講應該是這樣運作會比較恰當另外一個我要問的是有關於吳秀美前署長你剛剛在回答詢答的時候就說你們其實已經徵詢很久了所以是不是其實吳秀美署長早就應該要下台了就是你們早就在尋覓適當的人選要替換掉他了嘛對不對\n\n10\n00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:23,057\n也沒有說替換因為誰來擔任我們幫國家找到最適當的人在那個時候做最適當的我們支持越換越好但是今天本席很納悶為什麼新上任的署長他是7月1號報到吧是的那今天怎麼沒有來委員會不好意思他現在在交接還沒有11點左右交接這樣子\n\n11\n00:04:23,530 --> 00:04:47,397\n早上11點交接因為我想對委員會對委員來講很想會會這位新的署長沒問題沒問題我也請莊署長新的署長跟大家請教對我們很想知道因為食藥署在部裡面是大署他對於食安對於這一些藥品的管理他到底有什麼新的想法他是不是會展現比過去吳秀美更強的一個行政能力跟解決問題的能力\n\n12\n00:04:48,797 --> 00:05:12,240\n接下來我們要看的就是輸液的問題到目前為止問題還沒有完全的解決那我們可以看到永豐他的產能真的是非常的大過去一個月是196萬袋佔了將近八成左右到目前為止你們一方面要求國內增產但是你們現在告訴本席的是你們一個月能增產的只有46萬袋\n\n13\n00:05:14,301 --> 00:05:33,092\n所以量能非常的有限才增加46萬袋然後你多數都是要靠進口那我要問部長的就是這一個情況會持續多久就是現在的情況什麼時候會解決我們國內的產能什麼時候可以完全跟上\n\n14\n00:05:34,738 --> 00:05:35,559\n我們現在每週可以公用的數量是49萬\n\n15\n00:05:52,595 --> 00:06:09,285\n所以應該現在剛好是都是進口啊都是靠多數靠進口我們當然也鼓勵我們我是要問你說我們國內的產能什麼時候可以追上來因為過去我們是靠國內自行生產就可以那你現在等於是將近八成都是靠進口\n\n16\n00:06:10,285 --> 00:06:21,019\n那你這樣子的一個比例結構你什麼時候可以國內產能跟上還是只要永豐沒有恢復產能事實上這是做不到的那些小廠怎麼樣最高上限大概一個月就是50萬袋你們有沒有評估過\n\n17\n00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:47,731\n比大家比較在乎的,剛剛陳新輝委員有問的那個兩公升的那個永豐大概應該我們恢復到大概在年底應該就可以他就可以符合你們的標準,他就可以恢復生產了那這個應該就會很大宗的來改善所以年底才有可能改善現在的一個量穩定供應是沒有問題\n\n18\n00:06:49,633 --> 00:06:49,793\n是跟委員報告\n\n19\n00:07:05,334 --> 00:07:20,293\n國內目前其實另外有6家生理實驗水的藥廠有在協助增加生產那因為他們同時還要生產其他的各項輸注液的藥品所以他們目前能夠協助增加出來的產能就是剛如委員所說的大約一個月可以增加大概45到50萬之間的量\n\n20\n00:07:22,956 --> 00:07:38,911\n這已經是最上限了是那我們在持續的希望在跟這些藥廠溝通看他們是不是能夠再增加那目前有幾家藥廠還在評估就是他或許還可以再增加人力的方式去增加一個生產的班次那如果是這樣的話或許可以到達大概一個月50萬袋\n\n21\n00:07:40,256 --> 00:07:40,796\n最後我問你百億癌藥基金的問題\n\n22\n00:08:06,357 --> 00:08:33,869\n你剛剛在報告裡面呢提到的這個你說你要去訂定癌症新藥專藥的作業要點什麼時候要訂定因為你現在沒有法源你要有法源才可以做這個要點作業要點你們自己報告提的什麼時候要完成年底年底就會完成因為明年就要開始去落實這個那你現在的基金規模你一直號稱百億到底是多少\n\n23\n00:08:34,790 --> 00:08:57,637\n明年大概因為一下子也不可能進來那麼多像今年我們用健保是24億然後明年我們估算起來大概60億的規模所以我們會補到公務預算會補到60億這個部分就沒有明年才60億也不到百億因為需求性可能沒有那麼高然後第三年應該就會達到百億\n\n24\n00:08:58,784 --> 00:09:21,247\n這個部長我覺得在有關於醫藥的部分其實衛福部爭取到的資源真的是太少你們的進度也太慢了我們政府不是沒有錢我們政府的錢是有一些誤用的沒有真的花在刀口上而關乎人民健康的無論是全民健保或是你要設的這個癌藥基金這個都是關乎全國人民的健康\n\n25\n00:09:21,827 --> 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部長本席想請教你就任到現在你覺得你的職權可不可以完全的發揮就是作為一個衛福部部長你可不可以很多事情都是自己拍板定案做主\n30690\t54535\t我覺得到現在所有衛生、醫政相關各方面的一個實行都是按照我們原來的規劃跟我們的理想在努力應該好像還沒有碰到自愛難行的地方沒有自愛難行那我就直接請教你現在總統府我們賴總統這個他要當大總統所以呢\n55063\t82467\t他其實創設了一個健康臺灣促進委員會召集人是陳志宏那這樣子的一個委員會會不會去架空了原來衛福部的執掌而作為一個部長您是不是同時又多了很多個老闆您除了要跟行政院院長報告之外總統府又多了一個陳志宏召集人還有兩個副召集人你會不會覺得你的老闆好多\n84198\t111357\t我沒有這種感覺,因為我覺得應該要做的,只要跟行政院或相關的前輩,包括我在台大的老師陳志宏教授那我問你一個問題,健康臺灣促進委員會所做的決議,衛福部是不是要照單全收?你有沒有說不的空間?這委員會裡面開會所決議的事項,衛福部有沒有說不的空間?部長有沒有說不的空間?\n112578\t140415\t應該是沒有吧?因為他是總統府層級啊?對不對?那如果跟你的意見不合的時候怎麼辦?部長跟召委的意見不合的時候召集人意見不合的時候聽誰的?聽部長的還是聽陳志宏的?我想那個總統也是一個非常優秀的醫師出身那陳志宏老師他也是非常有行政經驗我覺得我們過去幾年來在醫療政策防疫政策的溝通\n143878\t169335\t你認為他會尊重你嗎?那你在這個委員會扮演什麼角色?開會的時候你去嗎?那開委員會的時候部長會收邀出席?你不是召集人也不是副召集人?你是列席?我知道,你就是幕僚嘛所以決策主持人是陳志宏醫師嗎?對不對?\n171124\t177049\t前委員放心,我想我們過去的合作經驗我希望是溝通無礙,因為這個是過去所未見,你也擔任過委員嗎?我們擔任委員我在未還第三屆了,我從來沒有看到說在部長之上在架設一個委員會,然後可以來指揮這個衛福部的,過去從來都沒有,所以\n193524\t212219\t坦白講我為你有點抱屈啦就是說這樣子的一個組織架構對衛福部做一個部長他想要做很多事情來講的話難免會有點自走當理念不一致的時候所以這個部分我真的希望賴總統也要看見今天我們邀請任何人是人才來擔任部長就應該要授權\n213620\t238686\t應該給你最大決策空間我覺得這個才是信任你的專業啦照道理來講應該是這樣運作會比較恰當另外一個我要問的是有關於吳秀美前署長你剛剛在回答詢答的時候就說你們其實已經徵詢很久了所以是不是其實吳秀美署長早就應該要下台了就是你們早就在尋覓適當的人選要替換掉他了嘛對不對\n240000\t263057\t也沒有說替換因為誰來擔任我們幫國家找到最適當的人在那個時候做最適當的我們支持越換越好但是今天本席很納悶為什麼新上任的署長他是7月1號報到吧是的那今天怎麼沒有來委員會不好意思他現在在交接還沒有11點左右交接這樣子\n263530\t287397\t早上11點交接因為我想對委員會對委員來講很想會會這位新的署長沒問題沒問題我也請莊署長新的署長跟大家請教對我們很想知道因為食藥署在部裡面是大署他對於食安對於這一些藥品的管理他到底有什麼新的想法他是不是會展現比過去吳秀美更強的一個行政能力跟解決問題的能力\n288797\t312240\t接下來我們要看的就是輸液的問題到目前為止問題還沒有完全的解決那我們可以看到永豐他的產能真的是非常的大過去一個月是196萬袋佔了將近八成左右到目前為止你們一方面要求國內增產但是你們現在告訴本席的是你們一個月能增產的只有46萬袋\n314301\t333092\t所以量能非常的有限才增加46萬袋然後你多數都是要靠進口那我要問部長的就是這一個情況會持續多久就是現在的情況什麼時候會解決我們國內的產能什麼時候可以完全跟上\n334738\t335559\t我們現在每週可以公用的數量是49萬\n352595\t369285\t所以應該現在剛好是都是進口啊都是靠多數靠進口我們當然也鼓勵我們我是要問你說我們國內的產能什麼時候可以追上來因為過去我們是靠國內自行生產就可以那你現在等於是將近八成都是靠進口\n370285\t381019\t那你這樣子的一個比例結構你什麼時候可以國內產能跟上還是只要永豐沒有恢復產能事實上這是做不到的那些小廠怎麼樣最高上限大概一個月就是50萬袋你們有沒有評估過\n384639\t407731\t比大家比較在乎的,剛剛陳新輝委員有問的那個兩公升的那個永豐大概應該我們恢復到大概在年底應該就可以他就可以符合你們的標準,他就可以恢復生產了那這個應該就會很大宗的來改善所以年底才有可能改善現在的一個量穩定供應是沒有問題\n409633\t409793\t是跟委員報告\n425334\t440293\t國內目前其實另外有6家生理實驗水的藥廠有在協助增加生產那因為他們同時還要生產其他的各項輸注液的藥品所以他們目前能夠協助增加出來的產能就是剛如委員所說的大約一個月可以增加大概45到50萬之間的量\n442956\t458911\t這已經是最上限了是 那我們在持續的希望在跟這些藥廠溝通看他們是不是能夠再增加那目前有幾家藥廠還在評估就是他或許還可以再增加人力的方式去增加一個生產的班次那如果是這樣的話或許可以到達大概一個月50萬袋\n460256\t460796\t最後我問你百億癌藥基金的問題\n486357\t513869\t你剛剛在報告裡面呢提到的這個你說你要去訂定癌症新藥專藥的作業要點什麼時候要訂定因為你現在沒有法源你要有法源才可以做這個要點作業要點你們自己報告提的什麼時候要完成年底年底就會完成因為明年就要開始去落實這個那你現在的基金規模你一直號稱百億到底是多少\n514790\t537637\t明年大概 因為一下子也不可能進來那麼多像今年我們用健保是24億然後明年我們估算起來大概60億的規模所以我們會補到公務預算會補到60億這個部分就沒有明年才60億也不到百億因為需求性可能沒有那麼高然後第三年應該就會達到百億\n538784\t561247\t這個部長我覺得在有關於醫藥的部分其實衛福部爭取到的資源真的是太少你們的進度也太慢了我們政府不是沒有錢我們政府的錢是有一些誤用的沒有真的花在刀口上而關乎人民健康的無論是全民健保或是你要設的這個癌藥基金這個都是關乎全國人民的健康\n561827\t588935\t政府應該要更大刀闊斧而且更有效率的就是挹注才對以你們現在的進程坦白講我覺得是太慢然後金額也太少我們都還有一個健康臺灣的促進委員會這個委員會就應該要發揮這樣的功能從總統這邊就應該要做具體的政策的宣示應該是要一步到位而不是號稱百億基金結果就是用喊的就是明年還沒有百億\n591477\t614258\t三年內達到百億三年內真的是太慢了部長你可以把這個議題丟給委員會讓他來幫你解決問題就是立法院代表民意我們要求這個應該要一步到位而不是緩步的到位好不好這個總統府竟然成立委員會他是要幫你解決問題不是要架空你的職權這個很重要是的好 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝委員 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們有請邱部長請邱部長委員長部長早 部長本席想請教你就任到現在你覺得你的職權可不可以完全的發揮就是作為一個衛福部部長你可不可以很多事情都是自己拍板定案做主\n我覺得到現在所有衛生、醫政相關各方面的一個實行都是按照我們原來的規劃跟我們的理想在努力應該好像還沒有碰到自愛難行的地方沒有自愛難行那我就直接請教你現在總統府我們賴總統這個他要當大總統所以呢\n他其實創設了一個健康臺灣促進委員會召集人是陳志宏那這樣子的一個委員會會不會去架空了原來衛福部的執掌而作為一個部長您是不是同時又多了很多個老闆您除了要跟行政院院長報告之外總統府又多了一個陳志宏召集人還有兩個副召集人你會不會覺得你的老闆好多\n我沒有這種感覺,因為我覺得應該要做的,只要跟行政院或相關的前輩,包括我在台大的老師陳志宏教授那我問你一個問題,健康臺灣促進委員會所做的決議,衛福部是不是要照單全收?你有沒有說不的空間?這委員會裡面開會所決議的事項,衛福部有沒有說不的空間?部長有沒有說不的空間?\n應該是沒有吧?因為他是總統府層級啊?對不對?那如果跟你的意見不合的時候怎麼辦?部長跟召委的意見不合的時候召集人意見不合的時候聽誰的?聽部長的還是聽陳志宏的?我想那個總統也是一個非常優秀的醫師出身那陳志宏老師他也是非常有行政經驗我覺得我們過去幾年來在醫療政策防疫政策的溝通\n你認為他會尊重你嗎?那你在這個委員會扮演什麼角色?開會的時候你去嗎?那開委員會的時候部長會收邀出席?你不是召集人也不是副召集人?你是列席?我知道,你就是幕僚嘛所以決策主持人是陳志宏醫師嗎?對不對?\n前委員放心,我想我們過去的合作經驗我希望是溝通無礙,因為這個是過去所未見,你也擔任過委員嗎?我們擔任委員我在未還第三屆了,我從來沒有看到說在部長之上在架設一個委員會,然後可以來指揮這個衛福部的,過去從來都沒有,所以\n坦白講我為你有點抱屈啦就是說這樣子的一個組織架構對衛福部做一個部長他想要做很多事情來講的話難免會有點自走當理念不一致的時候所以這個部分我真的希望賴總統也要看見今天我們邀請任何人是人才來擔任部長就應該要授權\n應該給你最大決策空間我覺得這個才是信任你的專業啦照道理來講應該是這樣運作會比較恰當另外一個我要問的是有關於吳秀美前署長你剛剛在回答詢答的時候就說你們其實已經徵詢很久了所以是不是其實吳秀美署長早就應該要下台了就是你們早就在尋覓適當的人選要替換掉他了嘛對不對\n也沒有說替換因為誰來擔任我們幫國家找到最適當的人在那個時候做最適當的我們支持越換越好但是今天本席很納悶為什麼新上任的署長他是7月1號報到吧是的那今天怎麼沒有來委員會不好意思他現在在交接還沒有11點左右交接這樣子\n早上11點交接因為我想對委員會對委員來講很想會會這位新的署長沒問題沒問題我也請莊署長新的署長跟大家請教對我們很想知道因為食藥署在部裡面是大署他對於食安對於這一些藥品的管理他到底有什麼新的想法他是不是會展現比過去吳秀美更強的一個行政能力跟解決問題的能力\n接下來我們要看的就是輸液的問題到目前為止問題還沒有完全的解決那我們可以看到永豐他的產能真的是非常的大過去一個月是196萬袋佔了將近八成左右到目前為止你們一方面要求國內增產但是你們現在告訴本席的是你們一個月能增產的只有46萬袋\n所以量能非常的有限才增加46萬袋然後你多數都是要靠進口那我要問部長的就是這一個情況會持續多久就是現在的情況什麼時候會解決我們國內的產能什麼時候可以完全跟上\n我們現在每週可以公用的數量是49萬\n所以應該現在剛好是都是進口啊都是靠多數靠進口我們當然也鼓勵我們我是要問你說我們國內的產能什麼時候可以追上來因為過去我們是靠國內自行生產就可以那你現在等於是將近八成都是靠進口\n那你這樣子的一個比例結構你什麼時候可以國內產能跟上還是只要永豐沒有恢復產能事實上這是做不到的那些小廠怎麼樣最高上限大概一個月就是50萬袋你們有沒有評估過\n比大家比較在乎的,剛剛陳新輝委員有問的那個兩公升的那個永豐大概應該我們恢復到大概在年底應該就可以他就可以符合你們的標準,他就可以恢復生產了那這個應該就會很大宗的來改善所以年底才有可能改善現在的一個量穩定供應是沒有問題\n是跟委員報告\n國內目前其實另外有6家生理實驗水的藥廠有在協助增加生產那因為他們同時還要生產其他的各項輸注液的藥品所以他們目前能夠協助增加出來的產能就是剛如委員所說的大約一個月可以增加大概45到50萬之間的量\n這已經是最上限了是 那我們在持續的希望在跟這些藥廠溝通看他們是不是能夠再增加那目前有幾家藥廠還在評估就是他或許還可以再增加人力的方式去增加一個生產的班次那如果是這樣的話或許可以到達大概一個月50萬袋\n最後我問你百億癌藥基金的問題\n你剛剛在報告裡面呢提到的這個你說你要去訂定癌症新藥專藥的作業要點什麼時候要訂定因為你現在沒有法源你要有法源才可以做這個要點作業要點你們自己報告提的什麼時候要完成年底年底就會完成因為明年就要開始去落實這個那你現在的基金規模你一直號稱百億到底是多少\n明年大概 因為一下子也不可能進來那麼多像今年我們用健保是24億然後明年我們估算起來大概60億的規模所以我們會補到公務預算會補到60億這個部分就沒有明年才60億也不到百億因為需求性可能沒有那麼高然後第三年應該就會達到百億\n這個部長我覺得在有關於醫藥的部分其實衛福部爭取到的資源真的是太少你們的進度也太慢了我們政府不是沒有錢我們政府的錢是有一些誤用的沒有真的花在刀口上而關乎人民健康的無論是全民健保或是你要設的這個癌藥基金這個都是關乎全國人民的健康\n政府應該要更大刀闊斧而且更有效率的就是挹注才對以你們現在的進程坦白講我覺得是太慢然後金額也太少我們都還有一個健康臺灣的促進委員會這個委員會就應該要發揮這樣的功能從總統這邊就應該要做具體的政策的宣示應該是要一步到位而不是號稱百億基金結果就是用喊的就是明年還沒有百億\n三年內達到百億三年內真的是太慢了部長你可以把這個議題丟給委員會讓他來幫你解決問題就是立法院代表民意我們要求這個應該要一步到位而不是緩步的到位好不好這個總統府竟然成立委員會他是要幫你解決問題不是要架空你的職權這個很重要是的好 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝委員 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.279 --> 00:28.805\n謝謝主席我們有請邱部長請邱部長委員長部長早部長本席想請教你就任到現在你覺得你的職權可不可以完全的發揮就是作為一個衛福部部長你可不可以很多事情都是自己拍板定案做主\n\n00:30.690 --> 00:54.535\n我覺得到現在所有衛生、醫政相關各方面的一個實行都是按照我們原來的規劃跟我們的理想在努力應該好像還沒有碰到自愛難行的地方沒有自愛難行那我就直接請教你現在總統府我們賴總統這個他要當大總統所以呢\n\n00:55.063 --> 01:22.467\n他其實創設了一個健康臺灣促進委員會召集人是陳志宏那這樣子的一個委員會會不會去架空了原來衛福部的執掌而作為一個部長您是不是同時又多了很多個老闆您除了要跟行政院院長報告之外總統府又多了一個陳志宏召集人還有兩個副召集人你會不會覺得你的老闆好多\n\n01:24.198 --> 01:51.357\n我沒有這種感覺,因為我覺得應該要做的,只要跟行政院或相關的前輩,包括我在台大的老師陳志宏教授那我問你一個問題,健康臺灣促進委員會所做的決議,衛福部是不是要照單全收?你有沒有說不的空間?這委員會裡面開會所決議的事項,衛福部有沒有說不的空間?部長有沒有說不的空間?\n\n01:52.578 --> 02:20.415\n應該是沒有吧?因為他是總統府層級啊?對不對?那如果跟你的意見不合的時候怎麼辦?部長跟召委的意見不合的時候召集人意見不合的時候聽誰的?聽部長的還是聽陳志宏的?我想那個總統也是一個非常優秀的醫師出身那陳志宏老師他也是非常有行政經驗我覺得我們過去幾年來在醫療政策防疫政策的溝通\n\n02:23.878 --> 02:49.335\n你認為他會尊重你嗎?那你在這個委員會扮演什麼角色?開會的時候你去嗎?那開委員會的時候部長會收邀出席?你不是召集人也不是副召集人?你是列席?我知道,你就是幕僚嘛所以決策主持人是陳志宏醫師嗎?對不對?\n\n02:51.124 --> 02:57.049\n前委員放心,我想我們過去的合作經驗我希望是溝通無礙,因為這個是過去所未見,你也擔任過委員嗎?我們擔任委員我在未還第三屆了,我從來沒有看到說在部長之上在架設一個委員會,然後可以來指揮這個衛福部的,過去從來都沒有,所以\n\n03:13.524 --> 03:32.219\n坦白講我為你有點抱屈啦就是說這樣子的一個組織架構對衛福部做一個部長他想要做很多事情來講的話難免會有點自走當理念不一致的時候所以這個部分我真的希望賴總統也要看見今天我們邀請任何人是人才來擔任部長就應該要授權\n\n03:33.620 --> 03:58.686\n應該給你最大決策空間我覺得這個才是信任你的專業啦照道理來講應該是這樣運作會比較恰當另外一個我要問的是有關於吳秀美前署長你剛剛在回答詢答的時候就說你們其實已經徵詢很久了所以是不是其實吳秀美署長早就應該要下台了就是你們早就在尋覓適當的人選要替換掉他了嘛對不對\n\n04:00.000 --> 04:23.057\n也沒有說替換因為誰來擔任我們幫國家找到最適當的人在那個時候做最適當的我們支持越換越好但是今天本席很納悶為什麼新上任的署長他是7月1號報到吧是的那今天怎麼沒有來委員會不好意思他現在在交接還沒有11點左右交接這樣子\n\n04:23.530 --> 04:47.397\n早上11點交接因為我想對委員會對委員來講很想會會這位新的署長沒問題沒問題我也請莊署長新的署長跟大家請教對我們很想知道因為食藥署在部裡面是大署他對於食安對於這一些藥品的管理他到底有什麼新的想法他是不是會展現比過去吳秀美更強的一個行政能力跟解決問題的能力\n\n04:48.797 --> 05:12.240\n接下來我們要看的就是輸液的問題到目前為止問題還沒有完全的解決那我們可以看到永豐他的產能真的是非常的大過去一個月是196萬袋佔了將近八成左右到目前為止你們一方面要求國內增產但是你們現在告訴本席的是你們一個月能增產的只有46萬袋\n\n05:14.301 --> 05:33.092\n所以量能非常的有限才增加46萬袋然後你多數都是要靠進口那我要問部長的就是這一個情況會持續多久就是現在的情況什麼時候會解決我們國內的產能什麼時候可以完全跟上\n\n05:34.738 --> 05:35.559\n我們現在每週可以公用的數量是49萬\n\n05:52.595 --> 06:09.285\n所以應該現在剛好是都是進口啊都是靠多數靠進口我們當然也鼓勵我們我是要問你說我們國內的產能什麼時候可以追上來因為過去我們是靠國內自行生產就可以那你現在等於是將近八成都是靠進口\n\n06:10.285 --> 06:21.019\n那你這樣子的一個比例結構你什麼時候可以國內產能跟上還是只要永豐沒有恢復產能事實上這是做不到的那些小廠怎麼樣最高上限大概一個月就是50萬袋你們有沒有評估過\n\n06:24.639 --> 06:47.731\n比大家比較在乎的,剛剛陳新輝委員有問的那個兩公升的那個永豐大概應該我們恢復到大概在年底應該就可以他就可以符合你們的標準,他就可以恢復生產了那這個應該就會很大宗的來改善所以年底才有可能改善現在的一個量穩定供應是沒有問題\n\n06:49.633 --> 06:49.793\n是跟委員報告\n\n07:05.334 --> 07:20.293\n國內目前其實另外有6家生理實驗水的藥廠有在協助增加生產那因為他們同時還要生產其他的各項輸注液的藥品所以他們目前能夠協助增加出來的產能就是剛如委員所說的大約一個月可以增加大概45到50萬之間的量\n\n07:22.956 --> 07:38.911\n這已經是最上限了是那我們在持續的希望在跟這些藥廠溝通看他們是不是能夠再增加那目前有幾家藥廠還在評估就是他或許還可以再增加人力的方式去增加一個生產的班次那如果是這樣的話或許可以到達大概一個月50萬袋\n\n07:40.256 --> 07:40.796\n最後我問你百億癌藥基金的問題\n\n08:06.357 --> 08:33.869\n你剛剛在報告裡面呢提到的這個你說你要去訂定癌症新藥專藥的作業要點什麼時候要訂定因為你現在沒有法源你要有法源才可以做這個要點作業要點你們自己報告提的什麼時候要完成年底年底就會完成因為明年就要開始去落實這個那你現在的基金規模你一直號稱百億到底是多少\n\n08:34.790 --> 08:57.637\n明年大概因為一下子也不可能進來那麼多像今年我們用健保是24億然後明年我們估算起來大概60億的規模所以我們會補到公務預算會補到60億這個部分就沒有明年才60億也不到百億因為需求性可能沒有那麼高然後第三年應該就會達到百億\n\n08:58.784 --> 09:21.247\n這個部長我覺得在有關於醫藥的部分其實衛福部爭取到的資源真的是太少你們的進度也太慢了我們政府不是沒有錢我們政府的錢是有一些誤用的沒有真的花在刀口上而關乎人民健康的無論是全民健保或是你要設的這個癌藥基金這個都是關乎全國人民的健康\n\n09:21.827 --> 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