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00:01:58,157\n改建的一個工程改建的一個工程其實在這個進度大幅的落後那甚至就是說還有還有就是三座還要再追加預算那個17億\n\n6\n00:01:59,978 --> 00:02:21,115\n我想有兩個很大的一個股票上市公司一個叫那個山林水一個叫大同他們來就是承攬我們這13座的一個養豬場可是這13座養豬場顯然顯然有很大的一個困難為什麼這個很大的困難我想就是說\n\n7\n00:02:22,236 --> 00:02:41,291\n部長你新上任所以我也在這裡提醒你就是說在整個台堂的養豬事業它面臨到一個很大的一個瓶頸那這個瓶頸事實上有沒有人模不彰我想持續你去看很多的一個資料你可能慢慢的會去了解這些問題\n\n8\n00:02:42,732 --> 00:03:04,515\n為什麼107億再加上17億那這13座的一個養豬場我們希望他是一個就是說最新型的然後是他可以就是說節能減碳的他可以帶動了整個臺灣最好的一個養豬的一個事業那現在面臨到一個這麼大的一個困境\n\n9\n00:03:06,197 --> 00:03:33,712\n這個該怎麼辦當然我們知道說農業部長他是一個農業的一個權威他看到了就是說臺堂的養豬事業面臨到的一個議程例是平均的一個臺灣的養豬的一個議程例滋響他是在滋響這個讓我們會覺得說很捨不得這麼好的一個環境這麼好的一個基礎結果我們的議程例是這麼低\n\n10\n00:04:03,562 --> 00:04:03,582\n﹚賴惠員\n\n11\n00:04:16,559 --> 00:04:16,579\n﹚賴惠員\n\n12\n00:04:36,578 --> 00:04:36,598\n﹚廣告\n\n13\n00:05:01,883 --> 00:05:01,903\n賴惠員\n\n14\n00:05:19,087 --> 00:05:19,127\n謝謝,請部長回應。\n\n15\n00:05:45,791 --> 00:06:00,568\n報告委員,我想台堂的問題就是你剛才所指教的這一部分,我們會專案下去查查。到底是您剛才所指正的是人的問題還是環境的問題還是這個產業的問題。我們會針對問題來提出改善。\n\n16\n00:06:06,038 --> 00:06:20,660\n那台糖確實這個你剛才在講那個工程的部分因為他碰到這個從2020年開始的這個COVID-19到現在那麼特別是東海豐東海豐在屏東那是比較鄉下其實\n\n17\n00:06:21,781 --> 00:06:25,304\n因為在107年的時候我們就是透過這些標案是在108年的時候開始疫情已經來了嘛所以缺工缺料這個問題\n\n18\n00:06:51,303 --> 00:06:51,463\n賴惠員賴惠員\n\n19\n00:07:21,718 --> 00:07:24,600\n在柳營旁邊有一個大概超過7666坪的土地一個月租26萬這個為什麼呢?\n\n20\n00:07:39,112 --> 00:08:00,442\n這個是一個非常非常離譜在本席在去年2月持續一直追這個案子的時候那臺堂一直講說這個案子沒有問題那我想在這裡跟部長跟院長做一個非常清楚在延時的企業裡頭他只有租20年那寫得非常清楚不得不得延約\n\n21\n00:08:01,502 --> 00:08:01,522\n﹚賴惠員\n\n22\n00:08:20,288 --> 00:08:41,530\n總是會讓他繼續承租這一塊土地。會後我會把這些資料給部長跟院長。因為他是明顯非常明顯的一個違規。現在現在這一個地上物這個地上物還存在的。然後台糖還不是台糖的還不是台糖的財產。\n\n23\n00:08:42,779 --> 00:09:10,784\n那我一直覺得就是說為什麼有這麼大膽的臺堂的同事我前前後後跟他們開會超過5次以上那他們竟然有辦法就是說在明文企業上規定的這麼清楚了然後你延續的那個往後的20年你竟然是敢再讓他續約當然這個新奇美公司不是許文榮的這個奇美公司在這裡要跟院長報告一下\n\n24\n00:09:11,684 --> 00:09:29,038\n所以一個民間的小型的公司有辦法就是20年再加20年然後這個地上物是一個價值超過2億2億的一個建物在上面竟然沒有就是20年合約到期的時候把這個財產歸還回到臺堂\n\n25\n00:09:32,181 --> 00:09:44,715\n為什麼臺壇敢這樣侵害國家的財產權?所以我在這裡要請部長跟院長是不是一個院內提出報告。如果你不立即徹查的話,\n\n26\n00:09:47,321 --> 00:10:09,836\n我是建議了應該是要立即的解約啦因為這個違法的狀況太明顯太明顯了況且我在那個今年的3月我又去申請了他的一個藤本這個藤本裡頭這一個建物還是新奇美實業所以他已經是明顯的一個違法所以\n\n27\n00:10:11,112 --> 00:10:25,343\n事後我都會把這些資料給部長跟院長。我想這個是存在於我們整個北台灣的一個很大的一個笑話。大家不知道尤其台堂的總公司又在台南,那這個是不應該換的一個錯。\n\n28\n00:10:27,524 --> 00:10:49,437\n所以在這裡也利用這個時間來跟那個部長跟院長做一個探討。我想臺壇的一個人才的一個斷層、經驗的一個傳承、人事的一個僵硬化,怎麼樣活用這個人才,不讓這個員工只是等退休。我在這裡頭提出了一份資料,就是說這個是經濟委員會在6月26日的一個會議記錄。\n\n29\n00:10:53,379 --> 00:11:13,694\n台湯超過55歲以上屆齡退休的員工高達33.78。這個是演高於台湯中游跟台水。這個讓我們覺得就是說,台湯的一個員工的安全下莊的這個心態,這個是非常要不得的。他曾經是一個這麼風光的一個國營事業體。\n\n30\n00:11:17,156 --> 00:11:32,519\n那在這裡特別就是說也是跟我們院長跟部長提出這個案子我覺得這個是應該要立即解約啊不然這個存在的一個很大的一個問題應該會有很多公務人員會有一些年代的一個責任\n\n31\n00:11:33,598 --> 00:11:46,887\n那接著那個請國發會那個主委跟部長特別要跟你們三位討論一下就是科技藍帶的一個中繼站我建議是在大新營這個科技\n\n32\n00:11:51,155 --> 00:12:18,385\n在整個嘉義園區跟南科園區的一個切劃的一個串聯我們知道就是說南台灣的一個科技藍帶從屏東一直直接上來到嘉義其實在嘉義跟新穎這一跟南科超越了就是這個距離是超過50公里可是這一塊剛好是一個斷層所以在這裡我要特別跟那個\n\n33\n00:12:19,212 --> 00:12:19,232\n賴惠員\n\n34\n00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:35,060\n賴惠員\n\n35\n00:12:52,971 --> 00:13:15,052\n我簡單提兩個案子給那個院長跟部長跟那個我們主委看。光是我的台子,台子的工業用地我就有超過50公頃。超過50公頃的台子工業用地其實我們都準備好了。還有就是我們有很多台糖的工業用地,它也存在了。所以變成就是說,\n\n36\n00:13:16,035 --> 00:13:16,055\n賴惠員\n\n37\n00:13:42,152 --> 00:13:42,172\n﹚賴惠員\n\n38\n00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:29,569\n謝謝委員我們之前也到過沙崙確實一個地方經過這樣有計畫的整體開發之後未來的前景相當的可觀那現在就是在串接整個大南部高屏地區的S廊帶這個科技的走廊應該是一個我們未來發展的重點之一那尤其在台南的方便新營工業區柳營還有開發中的七股都是未來深具潛力的那這個部分國發會也一定會就各個\n\n39\n00:14:30,711 --> 00:14:37,237\n主委你是不是對整個大新營就是我們的北台南有沒有一點了解我相信你應該很了解你之前就是一直都是在南台南\n\n40\n00:14:54,598 --> 00:15:09,271\n我是去過幾次啦那那裡是一個環境還不錯的地方也有一些一些工業在發展是有比較大的空間那我們這個會找國科會一起我們共同來研究一下再跟委員回報\n\n41\n00:15:09,872 --> 00:15:11,373\n臺南是我們非常重視的一個區塊。\n\n42\n00:15:44,315 --> 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部長提出這個案子我覺得這個是應該要立即解約啊不然這個存在的一個很大的一個問題應該會有很多公務人員會有一些年代的一個責任\n那接著那個請國發會那個主委跟部長特別要跟你們三位討論一下就是科技藍帶的一個中繼站我建議是在大新營這個科技\n在整個嘉義園區跟南科園區的一個切劃的一個串聯我們知道就是說南台灣的一個科技藍帶從屏東一直直接上來到嘉義其實在嘉義跟新穎這一跟南科超越了就是這個距離是超過50公里可是這一塊剛好是一個斷層所以在這裡我要特別跟那個\n賴惠員\n賴惠員\n我簡單提兩個案子給那個院長跟部長跟那個我們主委看。光是我的台子,台子的工業用地我就有超過50公頃。超過50公頃的台子工業用地其實我們都準備好了。還有就是我們有很多台糖的工業用地,它也存在了。所以變成就是說,\n賴惠員\n﹚賴惠員\n謝謝委員我們之前也到過沙崙確實一個地方經過這樣有計畫的整體開發之後未來的前景相當的可觀那現在就是在串接整個大南部高屏地區的S廊帶這個科技的走廊應該是一個我們未來發展的重點之一那尤其在台南的方便新營工業區柳營還有開發中的七股都是未來深具潛力的那這個部分國發會也一定會就各個\n主委你是不是對整個大新營就是我們的北台南有沒有一點了解我相信你應該很了解你之前就是一直都是在南台南\n我是去過幾次啦那那裡是一個環境還不錯的地方也有一些一些工業在發展是有比較大的空間那我們這個會找國科會一起我們共同來研究一下再跟委員回報\n臺南是我們非常重視的一個區塊。\n好謝謝謝謝賴委員謝謝卓院長吳啟明委員之質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.530 --> 00:13.731\n賴惠元豪\n\n00:30.817 --> 00:48.694\n議員長、副長,早安。我想從民國42年開始,就是台灣啟動了大規模的養豬的一個事業。那這個養豬的一個事業,其實臺糖發揮了很大的一個能量,因為\n\n00:49.875 --> 01:05.643\n在早期臺堂的一個養豬事業其實是帶動了我們整個臺灣的一個民間的一個豬場的一個最大的一個標竿跟目標其實臺灣的一個養豬的一個事業臺堂功不可沒\n\n01:06.403 --> 01:22.459\n那曾幾何時就是說其實臺堂面臨到一個很大的一個困境從2020我們投入了107億我們要蓋那個13座的一個就是舊換新的這個規模的一個養豬場\n\n01:44.193 --> 01:58.157\n改建的一個工程改建的一個工程其實在這個進度大幅的落後那甚至就是說還有還有就是三座還要再追加預算那個17億\n\n01:59.978 --> 02:21.115\n我想有兩個很大的一個股票上市公司一個叫那個山林水一個叫大同他們來就是承攬我們這13座的一個養豬場可是這13座養豬場顯然顯然有很大的一個困難為什麼這個很大的困難我想就是說\n\n02:22.236 --> 02:41.291\n部長你新上任所以我也在這裡提醒你就是說在整個台堂的養豬事業它面臨到一個很大的一個瓶頸那這個瓶頸事實上有沒有人模不彰我想持續你去看很多的一個資料你可能慢慢的會去了解這些問題\n\n02:42.732 --> 03:04.515\n為什麼107億再加上17億那這13座的一個養豬場我們希望他是一個就是說最新型的然後是他可以就是說節能減碳的他可以帶動了整個臺灣最好的一個養豬的一個事業那現在面臨到一個這麼大的一個困境\n\n03:06.197 --> 03:33.712\n這個該怎麼辦當然我們知道說農業部長他是一個農業的一個權威他看到了就是說臺堂的養豬事業面臨到的一個議程例是平均的一個臺灣的養豬的一個議程例滋響他是在滋響這個讓我們會覺得說很捨不得這麼好的一個環境這麼好的一個基礎結果我們的議程例是這麼低\n\n04:03.562 --> 04:03.582\n﹚賴惠員\n\n04:16.559 --> 04:16.579\n﹚賴惠員\n\n04:36.578 --> 04:36.598\n﹚廣告\n\n05:01.883 --> 05:01.903\n賴惠員\n\n05:19.087 --> 05:19.127\n謝謝,請部長回應。\n\n05:45.791 --> 06:00.568\n報告委員,我想台堂的問題就是你剛才所指教的這一部分,我們會專案下去查查。到底是您剛才所指正的是人的問題還是環境的問題還是這個產業的問題。我們會針對問題來提出改善。\n\n06:06.038 --> 06:20.660\n那台糖確實這個你剛才在講那個工程的部分因為他碰到這個從2020年開始的這個COVID-19到現在那麼特別是東海豐東海豐在屏東那是比較鄉下其實\n\n06:21.781 --> 06:25.304\n因為在107年的時候我們就是透過這些標案是在108年的時候開始疫情已經來了嘛所以缺工缺料這個問題\n\n06:51.303 --> 06:51.463\n賴惠員賴惠員\n\n07:21.718 --> 07:24.600\n在柳營旁邊有一個大概超過7666坪的土地一個月租26萬這個為什麼呢?\n\n07:39.112 --> 08:00.442\n這個是一個非常非常離譜在本席在去年2月持續一直追這個案子的時候那臺堂一直講說這個案子沒有問題那我想在這裡跟部長跟院長做一個非常清楚在延時的企業裡頭他只有租20年那寫得非常清楚不得不得延約\n\n08:01.502 --> 08:01.522\n﹚賴惠員\n\n08:20.288 --> 08:41.530\n總是會讓他繼續承租這一塊土地。會後我會把這些資料給部長跟院長。因為他是明顯非常明顯的一個違規。現在現在這一個地上物這個地上物還存在的。然後台糖還不是台糖的還不是台糖的財產。\n\n08:42.779 --> 09:10.784\n那我一直覺得就是說為什麼有這麼大膽的臺堂的同事我前前後後跟他們開會超過5次以上那他們竟然有辦法就是說在明文企業上規定的這麼清楚了然後你延續的那個往後的20年你竟然是敢再讓他續約當然這個新奇美公司不是許文榮的這個奇美公司在這裡要跟院長報告一下\n\n09:11.684 --> 09:29.038\n所以一個民間的小型的公司有辦法就是20年再加20年然後這個地上物是一個價值超過2億2億的一個建物在上面竟然沒有就是20年合約到期的時候把這個財產歸還回到臺堂\n\n09:32.181 --> 09:44.715\n為什麼臺壇敢這樣侵害國家的財產權?所以我在這裡要請部長跟院長是不是一個院內提出報告。如果你不立即徹查的話,\n\n09:47.321 --> 10:09.836\n我是建議了應該是要立即的解約啦因為這個違法的狀況太明顯太明顯了況且我在那個今年的3月我又去申請了他的一個藤本這個藤本裡頭這一個建物還是新奇美實業所以他已經是明顯的一個違法所以\n\n10:11.112 --> 10:25.343\n事後我都會把這些資料給部長跟院長。我想這個是存在於我們整個北台灣的一個很大的一個笑話。大家不知道尤其台堂的總公司又在台南,那這個是不應該換的一個錯。\n\n10:27.524 --> 10:49.437\n所以在這裡也利用這個時間來跟那個部長跟院長做一個探討。我想臺壇的一個人才的一個斷層、經驗的一個傳承、人事的一個僵硬化,怎麼樣活用這個人才,不讓這個員工只是等退休。我在這裡頭提出了一份資料,就是說這個是經濟委員會在6月26日的一個會議記錄。\n\n10:53.379 --> 11:13.694\n台湯超過55歲以上屆齡退休的員工高達33.78。這個是演高於台湯中游跟台水。這個讓我們覺得就是說,台湯的一個員工的安全下莊的這個心態,這個是非常要不得的。他曾經是一個這麼風光的一個國營事業體。\n\n11:17.156 --> 11:32.519\n那在這裡特別就是說也是跟我們院長跟部長提出這個案子我覺得這個是應該要立即解約啊不然這個存在的一個很大的一個問題應該會有很多公務人員會有一些年代的一個責任\n\n11:33.598 --> 11:46.887\n那接著那個請國發會那個主委跟部長特別要跟你們三位討論一下就是科技藍帶的一個中繼站我建議是在大新營這個科技\n\n11:51.155 --> 12:18.385\n在整個嘉義園區跟南科園區的一個切劃的一個串聯我們知道就是說南台灣的一個科技藍帶從屏東一直直接上來到嘉義其實在嘉義跟新穎這一跟南科超越了就是這個距離是超過50公里可是這一塊剛好是一個斷層所以在這裡我要特別跟那個\n\n12:19.212 --> 12:19.232\n賴惠員\n\n12:35.040 --> 12:35.060\n賴惠員\n\n12:52.971 --> 13:15.052\n我簡單提兩個案子給那個院長跟部長跟那個我們主委看。光是我的台子,台子的工業用地我就有超過50公頃。超過50公頃的台子工業用地其實我們都準備好了。還有就是我們有很多台糖的工業用地,它也存在了。所以變成就是說,\n\n13:16.035 --> 13:16.055\n賴惠員\n\n13:42.152 --> 13:42.172\n﹚賴惠員\n\n14:00.879 --> 14:29.569\n謝謝委員我們之前也到過沙崙確實一個地方經過這樣有計畫的整體開發之後未來的前景相當的可觀那現在就是在串接整個大南部高屏地區的S廊帶這個科技的走廊應該是一個我們未來發展的重點之一那尤其在台南的方便新營工業區柳營還有開發中的七股都是未來深具潛力的那這個部分國發會也一定會就各個\n\n14:30.711 --> 14:37.237\n主委你是不是對整個大新營就是我們的北台南有沒有一點了解我相信你應該很了解你之前就是一直都是在南台南\n\n14:54.598 --> 15:09.271\n我是去過幾次啦那那裡是一個環境還不錯的地方也有一些一些工業在發展是有比較大的空間那我們這個會找國科會一起我們共同來研究一下再跟委員回報\n\n15:09.872 --> 15:11.373\n臺南是我們非常重視的一個區塊。\n\n15:44.315 --> 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