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00:00:45,893\n我們要打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個政策目標來進行探討\n\n3\n00:00:47,318 --> 00:01:14,108\n因為這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個不只是我們賴清德總統在去年選舉期間12月的時候提出來的一個重要的政見那在這個5月31號的施政報告我們卓院長也在施政報告裡面也特別有提到這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個將推動這個作為未來的施政中心作為金管會未來的施政中心那\n\n4\n00:01:15,664 --> 00:01:31,317\n我看到彭主委我們在上個月6月17日那時候有做一個宣布就是說預計要在8月20日也就是就任滿三個月的時間要提出這個有關亞洲資產管理中心的相關的規劃\n\n5\n00:01:32,554 --> 00:01:55,258\n好,那這個部分我想就在今天這個時候因為這個打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個確實是一個非常重要而且也是美麗的一個願景但是事實上這個民間或者是業界大家最擔心的就是過去我們政府常常有許多的\n\n6\n00:02:18,308 --> 00:02:39,080\n委員所說我們在總思詢提之前施政報告提出了其中包括亞洲資產管理中心而且不瞞委員我們剛剛休息的時候我們兩位還在後面的休息室談下一個階段要怎麼做那就提到說在兩個月之後就是8月20左右那個時間這個金管會要如何來促使這個事情\n\n7\n00:02:39,460 --> 00:03:08,156\n那他已經有一個報告這個報告就在等一下跟稍晚他會來跟我再做一個詳細的說明那報告我看在他的手上已經是這個部分我也很期待啦因為距離8月20差不多剩下差不多50天的時間而已啦其實時間不久應該現在相關的計畫大家最重要是說提出這個規劃之後我個人是是希望說不要說提出這個規劃之後大家事實上這個這個包括業界包括民間所期待的相關的許多改革他的幅度卻讓人失望這個是最\n\n8\n00:03:09,019 --> 00:03:09,179\n彭主委\n\n9\n00:03:32,496 --> 00:03:54,833\n我想打造亞洲資產管理中心這是我們的目標但是事實上整個亞洲其他有相關的國家與城市大家也希望都在競爭大家都在都是彼此競爭所以我在我希望說我們所提出來這個計畫我就以這個目前看到說也是希望打造這個他們自己成為一個亞洲資產管理中心的這個日本\n\n10\n00:03:55,860 --> 00:04:09,979\n以日本相關的這些政策來作為借鏡。日本事實上從岸田首相上任之後,這2021年他們就提出了一個所謂這個金融市場存入辦公室這樣子的一個做法。這是一個流程。\n\n11\n00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:32,538\n到2022年的時候岸田首相提出這個新資本主義這樣子的主張到去年他更就完整的提出了一個他們叫做這個資產運用立國實現計畫這裡面都有各種不一樣的部分而且我個人認為有許多值得我們借鏡的地方尤其是我們要跟他們競爭我們將來我們8月20所推出來的方案\n\n12\n00:04:32,938 --> 00:04:53,152\n我個人認為說要足以跟這個日本他們所提出來這些相關的改革計畫至少具有競爭力我們才有辦法打造這個我個人在3月8號那時候你們還沒有上新內閣還沒有上任那時候的總質詢我個人就針對他們那個所謂金融准入\n\n13\n00:04:54,033 --> 00:04:54,713\n一條龍的這個申請流程。這個部分\n\n14\n00:05:22,700 --> 00:05:46,093\n這部分他們這個東西不只是提出申請的部分他們整個包括包括你在這個從諮詢的階段開始諮詢的階段一直到註冊的階段到監理未來的監理甚至跟未來這個相關公會之間的聯繫公文全部都用英文這樣子的環境來吸引外資這部分有沒有放入我們未來的這個計畫當中\n\n15\n00:05:48,433 --> 00:06:13,188\n這部分我們有同仁專案在研究有關那個日本金融特區的內容那這個當然是未來我們如果要吸引國外的投資或吸引國外的資產管理公司來台灣一個必備的我們也會在全面檢討這樣一個英語申請的過程這個不只是申請我再強調日本他們所推出的這個金融准入辦公室他們所推出的他們是一條龍式的從諮詢開始\n\n16\n00:06:16,712 --> 00:06:35,487\n從諮詢一直到這個未來的註冊到未來我們金管會對他的監理甚至包括他跟相關公會之間的文件以後跟相關公會的文件來往都是全英語這樣子的環境其實打造並不容易因為你相關的公會相關我們公務人員相關公關機關對相關的這些語言\n\n17\n00:06:38,349 --> 00:06:56,165\n議員能力也要有一定的人力基礎。這個部分我希望說能夠納入這個部分。那這個部分因為我在3月在之前的總質詢已經大致上討論過了。那接下來所以我今天就是比較重要就是跟這個主委來談有關於這個我們這個\n\n18\n00:07:01,737 --> 00:07:25,504\n日本他們暗點首相在去年所提出來這個資產運用立國實現計畫他裡面其實大概分成幾個部分第一個他提出一個所謂這個這個資產所得倍增資產所得倍增計畫這個應該主委應該清楚另外他們提出兩個改革的重點一個是公司治理的改革另外一個呢就是資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革\n\n19\n00:07:26,670 --> 00:07:41,787\n那我們要成為這個亞洲資產管理中心這個資產管理業的這個改革我想一定是非常重要的重點那我想在8月20日所提出來我們未來將要提出來的這些相關規劃裡面我相信這個有關資產管理業的相關的這些規定\n\n20\n00:07:44,090 --> 00:08:06,494\n不管是法規、不管是稅制、不管是吸引外資的這些相關的規定,應該要有大幅度的改革,否則的話以我們現在,我們先來看看我們的現況。日本他們這個,日本他們所提出來有關這個資產管理業的這些他們的改革裡面,就是我剛剛講的資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革。\n\n21\n00:08:07,042 --> 00:08:31,201\n他們在去年的11月20做了一個重大的修法,就是有關日本金融商品取銀法。我們台灣沒有相對應的法,我們台灣就是分為政交法、齊交法、投信投顧法。那他們日本整個是整合成一個金融商品取銀法。他們針對金融商品取銀法,他們做了大幅度的修正。\n\n22\n00:08:34,635 --> 00:08:55,633\n為什麼他們要做大幅度的修正?就他們日本他們自己自己日本政府他們看到他們在資產管理業的規模他們資產管理的規模跟他們的GDP在這個整個世界的競爭上面事實上是相對來講他們是弱勢的因此他們必須要修改相關的法令來做這方面的改變\n\n23\n00:08:57,859 --> 00:09:21,169\n他們日本他們就覺得說他們這樣子的的有關這個這個資產管理規模跟他們的GDP的這些倍數甚至他們資產管理業的這些公司的加的這些加數他們都認為說遠遠不足啦遠遠不足那我就做了一個比較啦我就做了一個比較這個這個比較前面的這些外國的部分我是直接就就引這個日本他們的這個這個這個資產運用\n\n24\n00:09:24,842 --> 00:09:51,161\n這個立國實現計畫裡面的數據但是最後有關臺灣的部分是我這邊自己統計的那這個如果有錯誤也請這個主委這個報告委員那我們以臺灣的那個投硬投固在管理的資產規模現在大概是本國大概是8兆然後國外是4兆總共12兆對對對8兆我這邊講0.3兆是美金因為他前面這些計算都是美金美金計算所以我這個統計應該是沒有錯\n\n25\n00:09:53,840 --> 00:10:15,898\n所以你看這個日本日本他們7.2兆美國50兆英國13.5兆法國5.7兆新加坡4兆香港4.6兆台灣才0.3兆美金那我們就看他這個他跟GDP之間的關聯日本他是7.2兆他是GDP的1.4倍美國是\n\n26\n00:10:19,225 --> 00:10:43,692\n的這個資產管理規模是他們GDP的2.1倍英國到4.3倍然後新加坡是9.4倍香港是12.5倍那臺灣呢臺灣是GDP的一半一半這個這顯示我們的這個資金跟金融的人才事實上以現況來講事實上是有外流之餘就從這些數字上面來判斷那這個這個\n\n27\n00:10:49,568 --> 00:11:15,614\n我想這個有關有關現在這樣子的現況齁主委我們在用什麼樣的方式來做一些改變?這個報委啊主要是我們也有仔細的研究一下我們所謂的世界上我們臨近的這些所謂的金融中心或資產管理中心比如說我們可以概分為兩個模式一個是新加坡模式跟杜拜模式他大概就是引資為主他本身並沒有很多的產業像我們看日本\n\n28\n00:11:16,514 --> 00:11:44,320\n日本的發展模式我覺得是很值得我們借鏡比如說他剛剛的不管高度、廣度、深度跟一般性都值得我們參考比如說他是由首相來做一個宣示我們是總統的政見再來就是比如說他的廣度他結合他的NISA國民教育還有金融倍增這是全套的不是只有資產管理再來就是他的深度他把全國作為發展的眾生比如說東京都當作傳統的金融中心來發展他的大阪就結合他的產學研做創新的基地\n\n29\n00:11:44,480 --> 00:12:10,205\n他們提出了四個福岡、北海道跟九州最重要是他還有北海道的雜黃做那個綠色金融所以他是個全套的我覺得這是非常有值得參考再來他剛剛委員也提到他提供一般性也對一些外商非常友好或是對資本比如剛才英語的環境提供永久居留權稅還有一些費用的減免程序而且這些都是我們可以來參考的\n\n30\n00:12:11,085 --> 00:12:39,605\n剛剛委員也提到就是說我們臺灣的特色臺灣是有產業有產業所以我們初步規劃就是我們除了像傳統新加坡引財為主我們留財更重要怎麼樣做到投資臺灣知識產業發展這樣的一個資產管理中心我覺得這是一個未來發展我想齁這個剛剛主委講這個是相當正確的但是也非常全面那我現在集中在有關這個資產管理業的這些相關的\n\n31\n00:12:40,489 --> 00:12:47,489\n的規定就是我剛所講日本這些這個這個商品取行法的這個修正了他事實上修正他們這個\n\n32\n00:12:50,429 --> 00:13:18,584\n其實修正的內容有很多啦我就這個有關資產管理業的部分他們過去日本他們在這個他們這個就商品規劃跟這個投資執行還有他們甚至這些中後台的作業他們日本過去是完全你說這些這些資產管理業都要自己做他們現在那我們台灣我們台灣是應該是這個中後台作業可以委外但是我們在這個商品規劃跟投資執行\n\n33\n00:13:19,943 --> 00:13:35,875\n投資執行的部分不能委外啦應該目前的投信投估是這樣子那日本他們現在要整個鬆綁他們希望鬆綁到這個讓投資執行跟中後台作業整個都可以委外來執行那我們這個未來這個部分我們有沒有相關的這樣的方向規劃\n\n34\n00:13:36,707 --> 00:13:36,827\n這個部分齁這個這個\n\n35\n00:13:57,062 --> 00:14:24,405\n我想這個主委自己有講其實這整個我們這個有關要讓台灣變成有具有競爭力的這個亞洲資產管理中心有大概幾個面向像這個法規法規的鬆綁這個一定是其中重要的一環那其他的包括你這個充沛的專業人力這個是我們主委所講的充沛的專業人力另外資金要能夠自由移動這牽涉到我們的這個\n\n36\n00:14:26,587 --> 00:14:26,707\n﹚財政部長﹚\n\n37\n00:14:43,480 --> 00:15:05,065\n但是這個稅制的改革這個部分恐怕也是我們這次整個這個能不能成功的打造這個亞洲資產管理中心的一個核心議題這個部分這個要具有吸引力的稅制再來就是創造容易溝通的環境我剛剛有提到這樣類似全英語這樣的方式最後就是一個彈性的組織架構這是主委所講的我希望說這個我們來\n\n38\n00:15:09,116 --> 00:15:10,096\n我們一定努力,謝謝委員。謝謝沈委員。\n\n39\n00:15:38,254 --> 00:15:40,518\n報告院會現在在議場二樓的貴賓是美國國會助理訪問團的\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n15530\t22893\t主席我們請卓院長,請這個金管會彭主委。卓院長還有彭主委請備詢。委員好。委員長早,彭主委早。委員好。我想今天利用這個很短的總視訊的時間,我想就針對我們這個有關於\n41121\t45893\t我們要打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個政策目標來進行探討\n47318\t74108\t因為這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個不只是我們賴清德總統在去年選舉期間12月的時候提出來的一個重要的政見那在這個5月31號的施政報告我們卓院長也在施政報告裡面也特別有提到這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個將推動這個作為未來的施政中心作為金管會未來的施政中心那\n75664\t91317\t我看到彭主委我們在上個月6月17日那時候有做一個宣布就是說預計要在8月20日也就是就任滿三個月的時間要提出這個有關亞洲資產管理中心的相關的規劃\n92554\t115258\t好,那這個部分我想就在今天這個時候因為這個打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個確實是一個非常重要而且也是美麗的一個願景但是事實上這個民間或者是業界大家最擔心的就是過去我們政府常常有許多的\n115845\t137688\t﹗\n138308\t159080\t委員所說我們在總思詢提之前施政報告提出了其中包括亞洲資產管理中心而且不瞞委員我們剛剛休息的時候我們兩位還在後面的休息室談下一個階段要怎麼做那就提到說在兩個月之後就是8月20左右那個時間這個金管會要如何來促使這個事情\n159460\t188156\t那他已經有一個報告這個報告就在等一下跟稍晚他會來跟我再做一個詳細的說明那報告我看在他的手上已經是這個部分我也很期待啦因為距離8月20差不多剩下差不多50天的時間而已啦其實時間不久應該現在相關的計畫大家最重要是說提出這個規劃之後我個人是是希望說不要說提出這個規劃之後大家事實上這個這個包括業界包括民間所期待的相關的許多改革他的幅度卻讓人失望這個是最\n189019\t189179\t彭主委\n212496\t234833\t我想打造亞洲資產管理中心這是我們的目標但是事實上整個亞洲其他有相關的國家與城市大家也希望都在競爭大家都在都是彼此競爭所以我在我希望說我們所提出來這個計畫我就以這個目前看到說也是希望打造這個他們自己成為一個亞洲資產管理中心的這個日本\n235860\t249979\t以日本相關的這些政策來作為借鏡。日本事實上從岸田首相上任之後,這2021年他們就提出了一個所謂這個金融市場存入辦公室這樣子的一個做法。這是一個流程。\n250680\t272538\t到2022年的時候岸田首相提出這個新資本主義這樣子的主張到去年他更就完整的提出了一個他們叫做這個資產運用立國實現計畫這裡面都有各種不一樣的部分而且我個人認為有許多值得我們借鏡的地方尤其是我們要跟他們競爭我們將來我們8月20所推出來的方案\n272938\t293152\t我個人認為說要足以跟這個日本他們所提出來這些相關的改革計畫至少具有競爭力我們才有辦法打造這個我個人在3月8號那時候你們還沒有上新內閣還沒有上任那時候的總質詢我個人就針對他們那個所謂金融准入\n294033\t294713\t一條龍的這個申請流程。這個部分\n322700\t346093\t這部分他們這個東西不只是提出申請的部分他們整個包括包括你在這個從諮詢的階段開始諮詢的階段一直到註冊的階段到監理未來的監理甚至跟未來這個相關公會之間的聯繫公文全部都用英文這樣子的環境來吸引外資這部分有沒有放入我們未來的這個計畫當中\n348433\t373188\t這部分我們有同仁專案在研究有關那個日本金融特區的內容那這個當然是未來我們如果要吸引國外的投資或吸引國外的資產管理公司來台灣一個必備的我們也會在全面檢討這樣一個英語申請的過程這個不只是申請我再強調日本他們所推出的這個金融准入辦公室他們所推出的他們是一條龍式的從諮詢開始\n376712\t395487\t從諮詢一直到這個未來的註冊到未來我們金管會對他的監理甚至包括他跟相關公會之間的文件以後跟相關公會的文件來往都是全英語這樣子的環境其實打造並不容易因為你相關的公會相關我們公務人員相關公關機關對相關的這些語言\n398349\t416165\t議員能力也要有一定的人力基礎。這個部分我希望說能夠納入這個部分。那這個部分因為我在3月在之前的總質詢已經大致上討論過了。那接下來所以我今天就是比較重要就是跟這個主委來談有關於這個我們這個\n421737\t445504\t日本他們暗點首相在去年所提出來這個資產運用立國實現計畫他裡面其實大概分成幾個部分第一個他提出一個所謂這個這個資產所得倍增資產所得倍增計畫這個應該主委應該清楚另外他們提出兩個改革的重點一個是公司治理的改革另外一個呢就是資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革\n446670\t461787\t那我們要成為這個亞洲資產管理中心這個資產管理業的這個改革我想一定是非常重要的重點那我想在8月20日所提出來我們未來將要提出來的這些相關規劃裡面我相信這個有關資產管理業的相關的這些規定\n464090\t486494\t不管是法規、不管是稅制、不管是吸引外資的這些相關的規定,應該要有大幅度的改革,否則的話以我們現在,我們先來看看我們的現況。日本他們這個,日本他們所提出來有關這個資產管理業的這些他們的改革裡面,就是我剛剛講的資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革。\n487042\t511201\t他們在去年的11月20做了一個重大的修法,就是有關日本金融商品取銀法。我們台灣沒有相對應的法,我們台灣就是分為政交法、齊交法、投信投顧法。那他們日本整個是整合成一個金融商品取銀法。他們針對金融商品取銀法,他們做了大幅度的修正。\n514635\t535633\t為什麼他們要做大幅度的修正?就他們日本他們自己自己日本政府他們看到他們在資產管理業的規模他們資產管理的規模跟他們的GDP在這個整個世界的競爭上面事實上是相對來講他們是弱勢的因此他們必須要修改相關的法令來做這方面的改變\n537859\t561169\t他們日本他們就覺得說他們這樣子的的有關這個這個資產管理規模跟他們的GDP的這些倍數甚至他們資產管理業的這些公司的加的這些加數他們都認為說遠遠不足啦遠遠不足那我就做了一個比較啦我就做了一個比較這個這個比較前面的這些外國的部分我是直接就就引這個日本他們的這個這個這個資產運用\n564842\t591161\t這個立國實現計畫裡面的數據但是最後有關臺灣的部分是我這邊自己統計的那這個如果有錯誤也請這個主委這個報告委員那我們以臺灣的那個投硬投固在管理的資產規模現在大概是本國大概是8兆然後國外是4兆總共12兆對對對8兆我這邊講0.3兆是美金因為他前面這些計算都是美金美金計算所以我這個統計應該是沒有錯\n593840\t615898\t所以你看這個日本日本他們7.2兆美國50兆英國13.5兆法國5.7兆新加坡4兆香港4.6兆台灣才0.3兆美金那我們就看他這個他跟GDP之間的關聯日本他是7.2兆他是GDP的1.4倍美國是\n619225\t643692\t的這個資產管理規模是他們GDP的2.1倍英國到4.3倍然後新加坡是9.4倍香港是12.5倍那臺灣呢臺灣是GDP的一半一半這個這顯示我們的這個資金跟金融的人才事實上以現況來講事實上是有外流之餘就從這些數字上面來判斷那這個這個\n649568\t675614\t我想這個有關有關現在這樣子的現況齁主委我們在用什麼樣的方式來做一些改變?這個報委啊主要是我們也有仔細的研究一下我們所謂的世界上我們臨近的這些所謂的金融中心或資產管理中心比如說我們可以概分為兩個模式一個是新加坡模式跟杜拜模式他大概就是引資為主他本身並沒有很多的產業像我們看日本\n676514\t704320\t日本的發展模式我覺得是很值得我們借鏡比如說他剛剛的不管高度、廣度、深度跟一般性都值得我們參考比如說他是由首相來做一個宣示我們是總統的政見再來就是比如說他的廣度他結合他的NISA國民教育還有金融倍增這是全套的不是只有資產管理再來就是他的深度他把全國作為發展的眾生比如說東京都當作傳統的金融中心來發展他的大阪就結合他的產學研做創新的基地\n704480\t730205\t他們提出了四個福岡、北海道跟九州最重要是他還有北海道的雜黃做那個綠色金融所以他是個全套的我覺得這是非常有值得參考再來他剛剛委員也提到他提供一般性也對一些外商非常友好或是對資本比如剛才英語的環境提供永久居留權稅還有一些費用的減免程序而且這些都是我們可以來參考的\n731085\t759605\t剛剛委員也提到就是說我們臺灣的特色臺灣是有產業有產業所以我們初步規劃就是我們除了像傳統新加坡引財為主我們留財更重要怎麼樣做到投資臺灣知識產業發展這樣的一個資產管理中心我覺得這是一個未來發展我想齁這個剛剛主委講這個是相當正確的但是也非常全面那我現在集中在有關這個資產管理業的這些相關的\n760489\t767489\t的規定就是我剛所講日本這些這個這個商品取行法的這個修正了他事實上修正他們這個\n770429\t798584\t其實修正的內容有很多啦我就這個有關資產管理業的部分他們過去日本他們在這個他們這個就商品規劃跟這個投資執行還有他們甚至這些中後台的作業他們日本過去是完全你說這些這些資產管理業都要自己做他們現在那我們台灣我們台灣是應該是這個中後台作業可以委外但是我們在這個商品規劃跟投資執行\n799943\t815875\t投資執行的部分不能委外啦應該目前的投信投估是這樣子那日本他們現在要整個鬆綁他們希望鬆綁到這個讓投資執行跟中後台作業整個都可以委外來執行那我們這個未來這個部分我們有沒有相關的這樣的方向規劃\n816707\t816827\t這個部分齁 這個這個\n837062\t864405\t我想這個主委自己有講其實這整個我們這個有關要讓台灣變成有具有競爭力的這個亞洲資產管理中心有大概幾個面向像這個法規法規的鬆綁這個一定是其中重要的一環那其他的包括你這個充沛的專業人力這個是我們主委所講的充沛的專業人力另外資金要能夠自由移動這牽涉到我們的這個\n866587\t866707\t﹚財政部長﹚\n883480\t905065\t但是這個稅制的改革這個部分恐怕也是我們這次整個這個能不能成功的打造這個亞洲資產管理中心的一個核心議題這個部分這個要具有吸引力的稅制再來就是創造容易溝通的環境我剛剛有提到這樣類似全英語這樣的方式最後就是一個彈性的組織架構這是主委所講的我希望說這個我們來\n909116\t910096\t我們一定努力,謝謝委員。謝謝沈委員。\n938254\t940518\t報告院會現在在議場二樓的貴賓是美國國會助理訪問團的\n","txt":"主席我們請卓院長,請這個金管會彭主委。卓院長還有彭主委請備詢。委員好。委員長早,彭主委早。委員好。我想今天利用這個很短的總視訊的時間,我想就針對我們這個有關於\n我們要打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個政策目標來進行探討\n因為這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個不只是我們賴清德總統在去年選舉期間12月的時候提出來的一個重要的政見那在這個5月31號的施政報告我們卓院長也在施政報告裡面也特別有提到這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個將推動這個作為未來的施政中心作為金管會未來的施政中心那\n我看到彭主委我們在上個月6月17日那時候有做一個宣布就是說預計要在8月20日也就是就任滿三個月的時間要提出這個有關亞洲資產管理中心的相關的規劃\n好,那這個部分我想就在今天這個時候因為這個打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個確實是一個非常重要而且也是美麗的一個願景但是事實上這個民間或者是業界大家最擔心的就是過去我們政府常常有許多的\n﹗\n委員所說我們在總思詢提之前施政報告提出了其中包括亞洲資產管理中心而且不瞞委員我們剛剛休息的時候我們兩位還在後面的休息室談下一個階段要怎麼做那就提到說在兩個月之後就是8月20左右那個時間這個金管會要如何來促使這個事情\n那他已經有一個報告這個報告就在等一下跟稍晚他會來跟我再做一個詳細的說明那報告我看在他的手上已經是這個部分我也很期待啦因為距離8月20差不多剩下差不多50天的時間而已啦其實時間不久應該現在相關的計畫大家最重要是說提出這個規劃之後我個人是是希望說不要說提出這個規劃之後大家事實上這個這個包括業界包括民間所期待的相關的許多改革他的幅度卻讓人失望這個是最\n彭主委\n我想打造亞洲資產管理中心這是我們的目標但是事實上整個亞洲其他有相關的國家與城市大家也希望都在競爭大家都在都是彼此競爭所以我在我希望說我們所提出來這個計畫我就以這個目前看到說也是希望打造這個他們自己成為一個亞洲資產管理中心的這個日本\n以日本相關的這些政策來作為借鏡。日本事實上從岸田首相上任之後,這2021年他們就提出了一個所謂這個金融市場存入辦公室這樣子的一個做法。這是一個流程。\n到2022年的時候岸田首相提出這個新資本主義這樣子的主張到去年他更就完整的提出了一個他們叫做這個資產運用立國實現計畫這裡面都有各種不一樣的部分而且我個人認為有許多值得我們借鏡的地方尤其是我們要跟他們競爭我們將來我們8月20所推出來的方案\n我個人認為說要足以跟這個日本他們所提出來這些相關的改革計畫至少具有競爭力我們才有辦法打造這個我個人在3月8號那時候你們還沒有上新內閣還沒有上任那時候的總質詢我個人就針對他們那個所謂金融准入\n一條龍的這個申請流程。這個部分\n這部分他們這個東西不只是提出申請的部分他們整個包括包括你在這個從諮詢的階段開始諮詢的階段一直到註冊的階段到監理未來的監理甚至跟未來這個相關公會之間的聯繫公文全部都用英文這樣子的環境來吸引外資這部分有沒有放入我們未來的這個計畫當中\n這部分我們有同仁專案在研究有關那個日本金融特區的內容那這個當然是未來我們如果要吸引國外的投資或吸引國外的資產管理公司來台灣一個必備的我們也會在全面檢討這樣一個英語申請的過程這個不只是申請我再強調日本他們所推出的這個金融准入辦公室他們所推出的他們是一條龍式的從諮詢開始\n從諮詢一直到這個未來的註冊到未來我們金管會對他的監理甚至包括他跟相關公會之間的文件以後跟相關公會的文件來往都是全英語這樣子的環境其實打造並不容易因為你相關的公會相關我們公務人員相關公關機關對相關的這些語言\n議員能力也要有一定的人力基礎。這個部分我希望說能夠納入這個部分。那這個部分因為我在3月在之前的總質詢已經大致上討論過了。那接下來所以我今天就是比較重要就是跟這個主委來談有關於這個我們這個\n日本他們暗點首相在去年所提出來這個資產運用立國實現計畫他裡面其實大概分成幾個部分第一個他提出一個所謂這個這個資產所得倍增資產所得倍增計畫這個應該主委應該清楚另外他們提出兩個改革的重點一個是公司治理的改革另外一個呢就是資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革\n那我們要成為這個亞洲資產管理中心這個資產管理業的這個改革我想一定是非常重要的重點那我想在8月20日所提出來我們未來將要提出來的這些相關規劃裡面我相信這個有關資產管理業的相關的這些規定\n不管是法規、不管是稅制、不管是吸引外資的這些相關的規定,應該要有大幅度的改革,否則的話以我們現在,我們先來看看我們的現況。日本他們這個,日本他們所提出來有關這個資產管理業的這些他們的改革裡面,就是我剛剛講的資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革。\n他們在去年的11月20做了一個重大的修法,就是有關日本金融商品取銀法。我們台灣沒有相對應的法,我們台灣就是分為政交法、齊交法、投信投顧法。那他們日本整個是整合成一個金融商品取銀法。他們針對金融商品取銀法,他們做了大幅度的修正。\n為什麼他們要做大幅度的修正?就他們日本他們自己自己日本政府他們看到他們在資產管理業的規模他們資產管理的規模跟他們的GDP在這個整個世界的競爭上面事實上是相對來講他們是弱勢的因此他們必須要修改相關的法令來做這方面的改變\n他們日本他們就覺得說他們這樣子的的有關這個這個資產管理規模跟他們的GDP的這些倍數甚至他們資產管理業的這些公司的加的這些加數他們都認為說遠遠不足啦遠遠不足那我就做了一個比較啦我就做了一個比較這個這個比較前面的這些外國的部分我是直接就就引這個日本他們的這個這個這個資產運用\n這個立國實現計畫裡面的數據但是最後有關臺灣的部分是我這邊自己統計的那這個如果有錯誤也請這個主委這個報告委員那我們以臺灣的那個投硬投固在管理的資產規模現在大概是本國大概是8兆然後國外是4兆總共12兆對對對8兆我這邊講0.3兆是美金因為他前面這些計算都是美金美金計算所以我這個統計應該是沒有錯\n所以你看這個日本日本他們7.2兆美國50兆英國13.5兆法國5.7兆新加坡4兆香港4.6兆台灣才0.3兆美金那我們就看他這個他跟GDP之間的關聯日本他是7.2兆他是GDP的1.4倍美國是\n的這個資產管理規模是他們GDP的2.1倍英國到4.3倍然後新加坡是9.4倍香港是12.5倍那臺灣呢臺灣是GDP的一半一半這個這顯示我們的這個資金跟金融的人才事實上以現況來講事實上是有外流之餘就從這些數字上面來判斷那這個這個\n我想這個有關有關現在這樣子的現況齁主委我們在用什麼樣的方式來做一些改變?這個報委啊主要是我們也有仔細的研究一下我們所謂的世界上我們臨近的這些所謂的金融中心或資產管理中心比如說我們可以概分為兩個模式一個是新加坡模式跟杜拜模式他大概就是引資為主他本身並沒有很多的產業像我們看日本\n日本的發展模式我覺得是很值得我們借鏡比如說他剛剛的不管高度、廣度、深度跟一般性都值得我們參考比如說他是由首相來做一個宣示我們是總統的政見再來就是比如說他的廣度他結合他的NISA國民教育還有金融倍增這是全套的不是只有資產管理再來就是他的深度他把全國作為發展的眾生比如說東京都當作傳統的金融中心來發展他的大阪就結合他的產學研做創新的基地\n他們提出了四個福岡、北海道跟九州最重要是他還有北海道的雜黃做那個綠色金融所以他是個全套的我覺得這是非常有值得參考再來他剛剛委員也提到他提供一般性也對一些外商非常友好或是對資本比如剛才英語的環境提供永久居留權稅還有一些費用的減免程序而且這些都是我們可以來參考的\n剛剛委員也提到就是說我們臺灣的特色臺灣是有產業有產業所以我們初步規劃就是我們除了像傳統新加坡引財為主我們留財更重要怎麼樣做到投資臺灣知識產業發展這樣的一個資產管理中心我覺得這是一個未來發展我想齁這個剛剛主委講這個是相當正確的但是也非常全面那我現在集中在有關這個資產管理業的這些相關的\n的規定就是我剛所講日本這些這個這個商品取行法的這個修正了他事實上修正他們這個\n其實修正的內容有很多啦我就這個有關資產管理業的部分他們過去日本他們在這個他們這個就商品規劃跟這個投資執行還有他們甚至這些中後台的作業他們日本過去是完全你說這些這些資產管理業都要自己做他們現在那我們台灣我們台灣是應該是這個中後台作業可以委外但是我們在這個商品規劃跟投資執行\n投資執行的部分不能委外啦應該目前的投信投估是這樣子那日本他們現在要整個鬆綁他們希望鬆綁到這個讓投資執行跟中後台作業整個都可以委外來執行那我們這個未來這個部分我們有沒有相關的這樣的方向規劃\n這個部分齁 這個這個\n我想這個主委自己有講其實這整個我們這個有關要讓台灣變成有具有競爭力的這個亞洲資產管理中心有大概幾個面向像這個法規法規的鬆綁這個一定是其中重要的一環那其他的包括你這個充沛的專業人力這個是我們主委所講的充沛的專業人力另外資金要能夠自由移動這牽涉到我們的這個\n﹚財政部長﹚\n但是這個稅制的改革這個部分恐怕也是我們這次整個這個能不能成功的打造這個亞洲資產管理中心的一個核心議題這個部分這個要具有吸引力的稅制再來就是創造容易溝通的環境我剛剛有提到這樣類似全英語這樣的方式最後就是一個彈性的組織架構這是主委所講的我希望說這個我們來\n我們一定努力,謝謝委員。謝謝沈委員。\n報告院會現在在議場二樓的貴賓是美國國會助理訪問團的\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.530 --> 00:22.893\n主席我們請卓院長,請這個金管會彭主委。卓院長還有彭主委請備詢。委員好。委員長早,彭主委早。委員好。我想今天利用這個很短的總視訊的時間,我想就針對我們這個有關於\n\n00:41.121 --> 00:45.893\n我們要打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個政策目標來進行探討\n\n00:47.318 --> 01:14.108\n因為這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個不只是我們賴清德總統在去年選舉期間12月的時候提出來的一個重要的政見那在這個5月31號的施政報告我們卓院長也在施政報告裡面也特別有提到這個打造亞洲資產管理中心這個將推動這個作為未來的施政中心作為金管會未來的施政中心那\n\n01:15.664 --> 01:31.317\n我看到彭主委我們在上個月6月17日那時候有做一個宣布就是說預計要在8月20日也就是就任滿三個月的時間要提出這個有關亞洲資產管理中心的相關的規劃\n\n01:32.554 --> 01:55.258\n好,那這個部分我想就在今天這個時候因為這個打造這個亞洲資產管理中心這個確實是一個非常重要而且也是美麗的一個願景但是事實上這個民間或者是業界大家最擔心的就是過去我們政府常常有許多的\n\n02:18.308 --> 02:39.080\n委員所說我們在總思詢提之前施政報告提出了其中包括亞洲資產管理中心而且不瞞委員我們剛剛休息的時候我們兩位還在後面的休息室談下一個階段要怎麼做那就提到說在兩個月之後就是8月20左右那個時間這個金管會要如何來促使這個事情\n\n02:39.460 --> 03:08.156\n那他已經有一個報告這個報告就在等一下跟稍晚他會來跟我再做一個詳細的說明那報告我看在他的手上已經是這個部分我也很期待啦因為距離8月20差不多剩下差不多50天的時間而已啦其實時間不久應該現在相關的計畫大家最重要是說提出這個規劃之後我個人是是希望說不要說提出這個規劃之後大家事實上這個這個包括業界包括民間所期待的相關的許多改革他的幅度卻讓人失望這個是最\n\n03:09.019 --> 03:09.179\n彭主委\n\n03:32.496 --> 03:54.833\n我想打造亞洲資產管理中心這是我們的目標但是事實上整個亞洲其他有相關的國家與城市大家也希望都在競爭大家都在都是彼此競爭所以我在我希望說我們所提出來這個計畫我就以這個目前看到說也是希望打造這個他們自己成為一個亞洲資產管理中心的這個日本\n\n03:55.860 --> 04:09.979\n以日本相關的這些政策來作為借鏡。日本事實上從岸田首相上任之後,這2021年他們就提出了一個所謂這個金融市場存入辦公室這樣子的一個做法。這是一個流程。\n\n04:10.680 --> 04:32.538\n到2022年的時候岸田首相提出這個新資本主義這樣子的主張到去年他更就完整的提出了一個他們叫做這個資產運用立國實現計畫這裡面都有各種不一樣的部分而且我個人認為有許多值得我們借鏡的地方尤其是我們要跟他們競爭我們將來我們8月20所推出來的方案\n\n04:32.938 --> 04:53.152\n我個人認為說要足以跟這個日本他們所提出來這些相關的改革計畫至少具有競爭力我們才有辦法打造這個我個人在3月8號那時候你們還沒有上新內閣還沒有上任那時候的總質詢我個人就針對他們那個所謂金融准入\n\n04:54.033 --> 04:54.713\n一條龍的這個申請流程。這個部分\n\n05:22.700 --> 05:46.093\n這部分他們這個東西不只是提出申請的部分他們整個包括包括你在這個從諮詢的階段開始諮詢的階段一直到註冊的階段到監理未來的監理甚至跟未來這個相關公會之間的聯繫公文全部都用英文這樣子的環境來吸引外資這部分有沒有放入我們未來的這個計畫當中\n\n05:48.433 --> 06:13.188\n這部分我們有同仁專案在研究有關那個日本金融特區的內容那這個當然是未來我們如果要吸引國外的投資或吸引國外的資產管理公司來台灣一個必備的我們也會在全面檢討這樣一個英語申請的過程這個不只是申請我再強調日本他們所推出的這個金融准入辦公室他們所推出的他們是一條龍式的從諮詢開始\n\n06:16.712 --> 06:35.487\n從諮詢一直到這個未來的註冊到未來我們金管會對他的監理甚至包括他跟相關公會之間的文件以後跟相關公會的文件來往都是全英語這樣子的環境其實打造並不容易因為你相關的公會相關我們公務人員相關公關機關對相關的這些語言\n\n06:38.349 --> 06:56.165\n議員能力也要有一定的人力基礎。這個部分我希望說能夠納入這個部分。那這個部分因為我在3月在之前的總質詢已經大致上討論過了。那接下來所以我今天就是比較重要就是跟這個主委來談有關於這個我們這個\n\n07:01.737 --> 07:25.504\n日本他們暗點首相在去年所提出來這個資產運用立國實現計畫他裡面其實大概分成幾個部分第一個他提出一個所謂這個這個資產所得倍增資產所得倍增計畫這個應該主委應該清楚另外他們提出兩個改革的重點一個是公司治理的改革另外一個呢就是資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革\n\n07:26.670 --> 07:41.787\n那我們要成為這個亞洲資產管理中心這個資產管理業的這個改革我想一定是非常重要的重點那我想在8月20日所提出來我們未來將要提出來的這些相關規劃裡面我相信這個有關資產管理業的相關的這些規定\n\n07:44.090 --> 08:06.494\n不管是法規、不管是稅制、不管是吸引外資的這些相關的規定,應該要有大幅度的改革,否則的話以我們現在,我們先來看看我們的現況。日本他們這個,日本他們所提出來有關這個資產管理業的這些他們的改革裡面,就是我剛剛講的資產管理業跟資產所有者的改革。\n\n08:07.042 --> 08:31.201\n他們在去年的11月20做了一個重大的修法,就是有關日本金融商品取銀法。我們台灣沒有相對應的法,我們台灣就是分為政交法、齊交法、投信投顧法。那他們日本整個是整合成一個金融商品取銀法。他們針對金融商品取銀法,他們做了大幅度的修正。\n\n08:34.635 --> 08:55.633\n為什麼他們要做大幅度的修正?就他們日本他們自己自己日本政府他們看到他們在資產管理業的規模他們資產管理的規模跟他們的GDP在這個整個世界的競爭上面事實上是相對來講他們是弱勢的因此他們必須要修改相關的法令來做這方面的改變\n\n08:57.859 --> 09:21.169\n他們日本他們就覺得說他們這樣子的的有關這個這個資產管理規模跟他們的GDP的這些倍數甚至他們資產管理業的這些公司的加的這些加數他們都認為說遠遠不足啦遠遠不足那我就做了一個比較啦我就做了一個比較這個這個比較前面的這些外國的部分我是直接就就引這個日本他們的這個這個這個資產運用\n\n09:24.842 --> 09:51.161\n這個立國實現計畫裡面的數據但是最後有關臺灣的部分是我這邊自己統計的那這個如果有錯誤也請這個主委這個報告委員那我們以臺灣的那個投硬投固在管理的資產規模現在大概是本國大概是8兆然後國外是4兆總共12兆對對對8兆我這邊講0.3兆是美金因為他前面這些計算都是美金美金計算所以我這個統計應該是沒有錯\n\n09:53.840 --> 10:15.898\n所以你看這個日本日本他們7.2兆美國50兆英國13.5兆法國5.7兆新加坡4兆香港4.6兆台灣才0.3兆美金那我們就看他這個他跟GDP之間的關聯日本他是7.2兆他是GDP的1.4倍美國是\n\n10:19.225 --> 10:43.692\n的這個資產管理規模是他們GDP的2.1倍英國到4.3倍然後新加坡是9.4倍香港是12.5倍那臺灣呢臺灣是GDP的一半一半這個這顯示我們的這個資金跟金融的人才事實上以現況來講事實上是有外流之餘就從這些數字上面來判斷那這個這個\n\n10:49.568 --> 11:15.614\n我想這個有關有關現在這樣子的現況齁主委我們在用什麼樣的方式來做一些改變?這個報委啊主要是我們也有仔細的研究一下我們所謂的世界上我們臨近的這些所謂的金融中心或資產管理中心比如說我們可以概分為兩個模式一個是新加坡模式跟杜拜模式他大概就是引資為主他本身並沒有很多的產業像我們看日本\n\n11:16.514 --> 11:44.320\n日本的發展模式我覺得是很值得我們借鏡比如說他剛剛的不管高度、廣度、深度跟一般性都值得我們參考比如說他是由首相來做一個宣示我們是總統的政見再來就是比如說他的廣度他結合他的NISA國民教育還有金融倍增這是全套的不是只有資產管理再來就是他的深度他把全國作為發展的眾生比如說東京都當作傳統的金融中心來發展他的大阪就結合他的產學研做創新的基地\n\n11:44.480 --> 12:10.205\n他們提出了四個福岡、北海道跟九州最重要是他還有北海道的雜黃做那個綠色金融所以他是個全套的我覺得這是非常有值得參考再來他剛剛委員也提到他提供一般性也對一些外商非常友好或是對資本比如剛才英語的環境提供永久居留權稅還有一些費用的減免程序而且這些都是我們可以來參考的\n\n12:11.085 --> 12:39.605\n剛剛委員也提到就是說我們臺灣的特色臺灣是有產業有產業所以我們初步規劃就是我們除了像傳統新加坡引財為主我們留財更重要怎麼樣做到投資臺灣知識產業發展這樣的一個資產管理中心我覺得這是一個未來發展我想齁這個剛剛主委講這個是相當正確的但是也非常全面那我現在集中在有關這個資產管理業的這些相關的\n\n12:40.489 --> 12:47.489\n的規定就是我剛所講日本這些這個這個商品取行法的這個修正了他事實上修正他們這個\n\n12:50.429 --> 13:18.584\n其實修正的內容有很多啦我就這個有關資產管理業的部分他們過去日本他們在這個他們這個就商品規劃跟這個投資執行還有他們甚至這些中後台的作業他們日本過去是完全你說這些這些資產管理業都要自己做他們現在那我們台灣我們台灣是應該是這個中後台作業可以委外但是我們在這個商品規劃跟投資執行\n\n13:19.943 --> 13:35.875\n投資執行的部分不能委外啦應該目前的投信投估是這樣子那日本他們現在要整個鬆綁他們希望鬆綁到這個讓投資執行跟中後台作業整個都可以委外來執行那我們這個未來這個部分我們有沒有相關的這樣的方向規劃\n\n13:36.707 --> 13:36.827\n這個部分齁這個這個\n\n13:57.062 --> 14:24.405\n我想這個主委自己有講其實這整個我們這個有關要讓台灣變成有具有競爭力的這個亞洲資產管理中心有大概幾個面向像這個法規法規的鬆綁這個一定是其中重要的一環那其他的包括你這個充沛的專業人力這個是我們主委所講的充沛的專業人力另外資金要能夠自由移動這牽涉到我們的這個\n\n14:26.587 --> 14:26.707\n﹚財政部長﹚\n\n14:43.480 --> 15:05.065\n但是這個稅制的改革這個部分恐怕也是我們這次整個這個能不能成功的打造這個亞洲資產管理中心的一個核心議題這個部分這個要具有吸引力的稅制再來就是創造容易溝通的環境我剛剛有提到這樣類似全英語這樣的方式最後就是一個彈性的組織架構這是主委所講的我希望說這個我們來\n\n15:09.116 --> 15:10.096\n我們一定努力,謝謝委員。謝謝沈委員。\n\n15:38.254 --> 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