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open小型開放的經濟體來講，事實上在2%左右應該都可以接受。"],["林委員德福：那政府和民間預測機構要依據哪種標準定義通膨？"],["楊總裁金龍：是，大概也是這樣子，大概也都是2%左右。"],["林委員德福：因為本席認為如果標準的彈性過大，會不會又造成預測單位各說各話？會不會？"],["楊總裁金龍：應該也是不會，我們所謂的2%左右這個也不是說短期……今年是這樣，事實上所謂的2%是中長期的平均數，也就是說，可能一年當中可以高於2%，然後有些時候會低於2%，但是中長期的時候，平均在2%左右應該都可以接受的。"],["林委員德福：院長，事實上從消費者物價指數變動，乃至於要定義為通膨率，民眾關心的只有一點，那就是從荷包拿錢買東西不要變貴，但要怎麼樣讓民眾不覺得買東西變貴？本席認為二十多年來，國內民眾所得差距極端化，貧富差距持續加劇，就是近年來持續討論，卻又無藥可醫的一個問題。請問院長，到底貧富差距、所得差距極端化是不是資本主義社會、民主國家下不可逆的一種現象呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：不可否認它是一個因素，但是政府都會用很多其他的方法、手段去平衡這些數字上的差距。其實我們最近公布的111年數據是6.15，相較過去來講，並沒有明顯的增加。但我還是再次強調，公平的分配才是一個國家文明的指標。"],["林委員德福：我瞭解，但是貧富差距越來越嚴重啊！針對所得差距極端化，院長，你認為要採取哪些方式可以緩和衝擊呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：所以這幾年，剛剛也提到政府從中央預算對地方的補助很多，也有很多的政策，包括社福、包括政府投資、對家庭的政府投資，以及在課稅的合理性方面。另外，就是很多的實物給付，實際上給予一些在政策上支持的實物給付等等都讓我們的所得差距會降低。在數據統計上，是從7.5降低到大概5.7。"],["林委員德福：所以你認為目前政府所擁有的政策工具是不是都已經派上用場了？"],["卓院長榮泰：政策工具都有，但最主要還是能夠全面有效率地落實執行下去，我想中央、地方政府都應該很努力在照顧一般人民的生活。"],["林委員德福：院長，媒體報導政府面對通膨的作為，央行認為伴隨全球化走向零碎化等結構性因素的轉變，供給面不穩定性的可能性越來越高，面對供給面通膨的衝擊，貨幣政策效果相對有限，如果能搭配從供給面著手的財政政策等因應措施，有助於讓穩定物價發揮更大的成效。我請問院長，央行所說的財政政策，哪些是現在政府已經實施在物價穩定上的，你認為有哪些？"],["卓院長榮泰：我請央行說明。"],["楊總裁金龍：我跟委員報告，事實上這幾年，我們的物價跟歐美國家相對比較穩定的是在供給面，我們是實施供給面，譬如對油電的absorption、它的一個吸納，這是供給面的部分。另外，關稅、營業稅及貨物稅的調降，這些都是供給面。"],["林委員德福：總裁，那個其實是我們超徵，你看這兩年，包括所有的電費、台電的損失，等於它的虧損五千多億也是政府去補貼，這個都是人民的納稅錢。其實主要就是因為它虧損連連，講實在話，再進一步去探討，主要是它政策開始的時候就有偏掉，才要補貼那麼多，不然台電為什麼會虧損連連、五千多億呢？對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：不全是這樣，它負擔很多的補貼政策。"],["林委員德福：我瞭解啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：所以再補貼回去，只是它這一部分的稍稍彌補，未來我們已經希望台電相關電費的補貼政策能夠回歸到目的事業主管機關去，就不會把帳都算在台電身上。"],["林委員德福：院長，其實從520你就任行政院長後，當然臺股大盤高點從兩萬一千三百多點上漲到兩萬三千四百多點，短短30個交易日，臺股大漲了兩千多點。就本席觀察，從臺股今年年初開紅盤到現在，幾乎可說是從一萬七千多點持續上漲不回頭。請問院長，年初至今臺股上漲五千多點，到底是我們的整個經濟表現強勁帶動股市？還是去年我們整個經濟景氣低迷，今年是復甦的回溫，所以才有這樣的一個反彈力道而導致？你的看法呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：在這種國際情勢底下，我想任何政府的進步跟財政的穩定、經濟的發展，人民才是最大的功臣，大家一定是通力合作，再加上產業，有產業的政策、有產業各項的方針，尤其是在高端的產業、高科技的產業當中，帶領臺灣很多中下游的產業集體發展，所以我們這個時候更有能力從事更多的數位轉型、淨零轉型。"],["林委員德福：那你認為……"],["卓院長榮泰：同時我們也希望厚植國力，把這些多增加出來的國家實力，能夠用到有用的地方去。"],["林委員德福：那是好的一面，又或者可能臺股已經有炒過高的疑慮，投資人應該要注意投資的風險，你認為有沒有需要去注意？"],["卓院長榮泰：每個投資的廣告都會下這一句話：投資者應該要有心理準備，他應該算準自己的能量，以及對未來情勢的掌握，能夠精準的投資，這樣才是最有保障的。"],["林委員德福：院長，事實上臺股和美股一樣屢創新高，從一般角度來看，主要還是受惠經濟基本面支撐，以及對未來整個景氣的預期。按照央行第二季理監事會討論的預期，楊總裁表示今年內內、外需會回溫，因此調高經濟成長率3.77%。我請問院長，今年經濟成長率向上調，你怎麼來看臺股未來的整個前景？你有什麼看法？"],["卓院長榮泰：經濟成長率跟臺股應該有相當關聯性的互相作用，如果經濟穩定的話，大家、人民的投資意願高，股市能夠穩定，這也會回到我們經濟的整體發展。"],["林委員德福：目前……"],["卓院長榮泰：至於剛剛央行的準備，是不是請央行說明一下？"],["林委員德福：目前整個臺股大盤是不是已經提前反映經濟成長率的上調？還是經濟成長後勢可期，臺股大盤上攻的空間仍舊大有可為？總裁，你有什麼看法？"],["楊總裁金龍：是的，我想剛才剛好委員也有提到，就是國際的股市都是，像美國也是創新高，歐洲也是創新高，日本也創新高，日本只是在它創新高以後再稍微回檔。臺灣當然也是一樣的，就跟國際盤差不多，不過我們臺灣有另外一個原因，也就是因為我們的科技產業，特別是AI的這個議題，跟我們的出口也有密切的關係，所以股市才會節節上升。"],["林委員德福：所以臺股大盤屢創新高，你認為會不會已經達到瓶頸，投資風險大，投資人要小心？"],["楊總裁金龍：是，那是當然，剛剛委員也有講到，我們臺股從1萬8,000點一直跑到2萬3,000點。"],["林委員德福：對啊！"],["楊總裁金龍：而且好像沒有回頭，事實上這個是一樣的，就是投資人應該要居高思危。"],["林委員德福：院長，央行表示國內經濟上半年受惠，誠如剛剛總裁所提的人工智慧AI的熱潮，相關產品出口暢旺，國內下半年則是輸出穩健的成長，帶動民間整個投資貢獻轉正，而且民間消費的動能延續，是支撐經濟成長的重要來源。"],["楊總裁金龍：是。"],["林委員德福：再加上主計總處今年預測整個經濟成長率是3.94%，我請問院長，目前國內經濟動能持續好轉，經濟基本面有所支撐，你認為到明年上半年，國內經濟景氣有沒有持續向上的機會呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：政府一定會提出前瞻的政策，穩定的執行，讓人民對國家的未來深具信心，那麼他自己應該謹慎地選擇他投資的各種品項，跟政府的政策相結合，這樣看起來的話，臺灣穩定的經濟發展，不管是很多世界有名的學者也好，或是企業者也好，都認為臺灣未來會有很長一段相當光明的時間。我們一定要提供穩定的政策，這是必要的。"],["林委員德福：照卓院長講的，如果國內景氣持續地回溫，臺股大盤未來是不是還有期待向上的空間？你的看法呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：這需要努力，大家一起努力！"],["林委員德福：大家一起努力！另外，我再請莊部長一併上來，請總裁跟主委先回去。卓院長，財劃法在民國88年修到現在為止，已經經過了25年，因為我在財委會算是資深，也經過很多次的修訂，但是以前每一次只要修，各縣市的財政局局長來、有的首長來，但是為什麼沒辦法達成共識？因為他都是站在自己本身的立場觀點來看整個財劃法未來要如何修、如何分配，但是其實要是這些縣市……因為縣市不是只有藍的，綠的也有，甚至於綠的他們也提出應該要修正財劃法。而且在上上個禮拜還是上個禮拜，我們財委會有一個臨時提案，就是一定要在下一次我們開會前，由財政部提出你們的版本來審，那到底現在的進度如何？在下一次會期開始的時候會不會提出來、併進去審查？部長，你有什麼看法？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，您在財委會很久，您也知道25年來行政院曾經提過5次的版本，但是都因為沒有共識，所以沒有能夠完成修法……"],["林委員德福：這次要是有共識呢？"],["莊部長翠雲：這一次我們其實已經去調查過各地方政府對於分配的指標表達意見，但是非常的分歧，所以這個部分我們必須要去凝聚共識，到目前來說分歧性很大。上一次財委會通過那個決議，是建請我們提出版本，這個部分我們近期會再請地方政府還有相關部會來開會討論……"],["林委員德福：要是財委會大家取得共識，你們要不要提版本？我就是請教部長跟院長嘛！"],["莊部長翠雲：所謂的共識就是第一個，地方政府對於分配……"],["林委員德福：就是大家認為應該怎麼樣分配比較合理。"],["莊部長翠雲：對，現在問題還是很分歧。"],["林委員德福：很分歧那是你講的！"],["莊部長翠雲：是，事實如此。"],["林委員德福：但是我們有徵詢過，事實上很多縣市他們已經有達到某種共識，認為說應該要來修，而且那個比例應該要怎麼調，因為25年來都沒有調、沒有變嘛！對不對？"],["莊部長翠雲：委員您提……"],["林委員德福：我認為中央不要集權又集錢，因為只要修到一個合理的，大家能夠接受，中央應該要接受。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員，其實中央每年釋出總共有八千多億到地方，統籌分配稅款四千多億、一般性補助款兩千多億，以及重大投資計畫也達到兩千多億。"],["林委員德福：問題是你們分配的有時候讓人家不能接受，就是你沒有照人口比例還有貢獻度有多大，其實部長你也很清楚，過去為什麼他們有意見？就是分配不平均，而且讓很多縣市認為說嗷嗷待哺，而且它真的需要很多的建設，又沒有辦法拿到很多中央的補助，它貢獻度很多，但是拿得很少，我認為這應該要提出來。"],["卓院長榮泰：謝謝委員的指教。"],["主席：謝謝林委員，謝謝卓院長。","吳秉叡委員之質詢以書面提出，請行政院書面答復，並列入紀錄，刊登公報。"],["委員吳秉叡書面質詢：","面對中國經濟衰退，政府應加強相關對應措施，俾免社會、經濟、金融及產業遭受連帶衝擊。","國際局勢概述","2018年7月起，美國對中國進口產品實施第一波加徵關稅措施後，美中自此開啟互課關稅報復的關稅戰爭，自此，中國高科技發展受限，同時也開啟了緊張的地緣關係。","緊接著，COVID-19疫情於2020年初開始蔓延，並迅速擴散至世界多國，逐漸變成一場漫長的全球性大瘟疫。COVID-19疫情對人類造成嚴重的衝擊，影響的層面涵蓋衛生健康、社會、經濟、金融及產業發展，乃至於國際關係等領域。","2022年2月，俄羅斯開始入侵烏克蘭，引爆自二戰以來歐洲最大規模的戰爭。這場戰爭延續至今仍未歇息，除了帶動西方國家與俄國緊張局勢外，更深深影響到包括美中爭霸所延伸的西太平洋地緣緊張局勢，以及中東地區以色列與周邊國家的激烈衝突。","總體而言，近6年來的國際局勢，不論是地緣衝突，或是COVID-19疫情蔓延，都對世界各國產生空前的衝擊，全球大小經濟體幾乎難以置身事外。","COVID-19疫情帶來未曾想像過的災難，各國為挽救遭受嚴重衝擊的經濟，紛紛採取量化寬鬆（QE）的貨幣政策，致使大部分國家因過多的貨幣供給，造成2020至2021的兩年間，股市、債市、房市、以及風險性資產的全面飆漲。2020年3月開始推出QE政策後，截至當年年底的9個多月期間，全球股價平均上漲68%，2021年續漲20%。投機與暴利造成一波新的財富重分配，且更擴大全球貧富差距。","2022年初爆發的俄烏戰爭，引發了原物料、石油及糧食價格大漲，更加重前述資金寬鬆效應之外的通膨壓力，這對全球造成重大衝擊，我國自難倖免。","2022年全球平均通膨率7.6%，歐美更普遍創下10%左右的通膨新高。為對抗通膨，歐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--> 00:01:02,619\n請問院長,採取彈性的物價穩定定義的做法,通膨警戒標準是不是成為變動指數?\n\n4\n00:01:13,324 --> 00:01:37,942\n變動的一個指標是不是先跟我們報告我們今年的預期會比去年好一點2.07今年比去年稍微有調就是我們強力在穩定物價那我也知道民眾的一般生活就是跟他生活息息相關的核心的物價他會感受比較深用平均來算當然大家會認為說好像事實有點差距所以央行在精進整個計算的過程當中我們請央行來說明\n\n5\n00:01:39,889 --> 00:01:41,030\n政府和民間預測機構要依據哪種標準定義?\n\n6\n00:02:04,813 --> 00:02:30,174\n那大概也是這樣子大概都是2%左右2%左右因為本期是認為說如果標準彈性過大又會不會造成預測單位各說各話應該也是不會因為就是說我們所謂的2%左右這個也不是說短期就是說今年是這樣事實上所謂的2%是中長期的平均數\n\n7\n00:02:47,014 --> 00:03:05,712\n事實上從消費者物價指數變動乃至於要定義為通膨率民眾關心的只有一點那就是從荷包拿錢買東西不要變貴但要怎麼樣讓民眾不覺得買東西變貴本席認為說20多年來\n\n8\n00:03:13,165 --> 00:03:37,103\n國內民眾所得差距極端化平滬差距持續的加劇就是近年來持續討論卻又無藥可醫的一個問題那請問院長到底平滬差距所得差距極端化是不是資本主義社會民主國家下不可逆的一種現象呢?\n\n9\n00:03:39,724 --> 00:03:51,073\n不可否認他是一個因素但是政府都用很多的其他的方法手段去平衡這些數字數字上的差距其實我們在最近公布的111年的數據是6.15\n\n10\n00:03:54,275 --> 00:03:55,716\n所以這幾年剛剛也提到政府從重量預算\n\n11\n00:04:16,707 --> 00:04:18,507\n所以說你認為目前政府所擁有的政策工序是不是都已經派上用場了?\n\n12\n00:04:46,033 --> 00:05:07,329\n政策工具都有但最主要還是能夠全面的有效率的落實執行下去那我想中央地方政府都應該很努力在照顧一般人民的生活因為媒體報導政府面對通盟的作為央行認為伴隨全球化走向零碎化等結構性因素的轉變\n\n13\n00:05:08,752 --> 00:05:09,012\n我請問院長﹖\n\n14\n00:05:34,714 --> 00:05:44,232\n央行所說的財政政策哪些是現在政府已經實施在物價穩定上你認為有哪些?\n\n15\n00:05:47,231 --> 00:06:01,860\n我跟委員報告事實上我們這幾年我們的物價會跟歐美國家相對的我們比較穩定是在供給面因為我們是實質供給面譬如說就是說當然就是說對這個油電的一個濕納這是一個就是供給面另外一個就是關稅啦營業稅啦還有那個貨物稅這個調降這個都是供給面\n\n16\n00:06:18,208 --> 00:06:44,234\n總裁那個其實那個是我們超徵你看這兩年包括所有的電費這個電台電阿他的損失等於是他的虧損五千多億捏也是政府去補貼這個都是人民的納稅錢那其實這個當然主要就是因為他虧損年年那講實在話再進一步去\n\n17\n00:06:45,322 --> 00:06:45,342\n院長﹖\n\n18\n00:07:12,518 --> 00:07:38,463\n其實從520你就任行政院長後當然臺股大盤高點就從21300多點上漲到23400多點短短30個交易日臺股大漲了2000多點原本就本席來觀察從臺股今年年初開紅盤到現在幾乎可說是從17000多點持續上漲不回頭那我請問院長\n\n19\n00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:58,798\n年初至今臺股上漲5000多點到底是我們的整個經濟表現的強勁帶動股市還是去年我們整個經濟景氣低迷那今年是互輸的一個回溫所以說才有這樣的一個反彈力道的導致\n\n20\n00:07:59,959 --> 00:08:26,348\n在這種國際情勢底下我想任何政府的進步跟財政的穩定經濟的發展人民才是最大的功臣大家一定是通力合作再加上產業有產業的政策有產業的各項的方針尤其是在高端的產業當中高科技產業當中帶領台灣很多中下游的產業集體的發展所以我們這個時候更有能力從事更多的數位轉型淨零轉型同時我們也希望厚植國力把這些\n\n21\n00:08:27,228 --> 00:08:52,302\n多增加出來的國家的實力能夠用到有用的地方去那是好的一面又或者可能台股已經有炒過高的餘力投資人應該要注意投資的風險你認為有沒有需要去注意這個每個投資的廣告都會下這一句話大家應該投資者應該有心理的準備他應該算準自己的能量以及大家對未來的形勢的掌握能夠精準的投\n\n22\n00:08:54,483 --> 00:09:18,139\n議員長事實上臺股和美股一樣屢創新高從一般角度來看主要還是受惠經濟基本面支撐及對未來整個景氣的預期按照央行第二季理監事會討論的預期這個楊總裁表示說今年內外需會回溫因此調高經濟成長率3.77%那我請問議員長今年經濟成長率向上調\n\n23\n00:09:22,902 --> 00:09:29,325\n你怎麼來看臺股未來的整個前景?有什麼看法?目前整個臺股大盤是不是已經提前反映經濟成長率的上調?還是經濟成長後勢?\n\n24\n00:09:50,936 --> 00:10:12,727\n可期,那台股大盤上攻的空間能就大有可為。總裁你有什麼看法?是啦,我想剛剛那個委員也有提到了就是說國際的股市都是像美國它也是創新高,歐洲也是創新高,日本創新高,日本只是說它創新高以後再稍微回檔\n\n25\n00:10:13,787 --> 00:10:23,692\n台灣當然也是一樣的就跟國際盤是差不多不過我們台灣有另外一個也就是說是因為我們的科技產業我們特別是AI的這個議題所以那這個跟我們的出國也有密切的關係所以股市才會節節上升就是說台股大盤你狀心高\n\n26\n00:11:01,195 --> 00:11:26,429\n央行表示國內經濟上半年社會剛剛陳儒總裁所提的能工智慧AI的熱潮相關產品出口暢旺那國內下半年則是輸出文件的成長帶動民間整個投資貢獻轉正而且民間消費的動能延續是支撐經濟成長的重要來源再加上主計總數今年\n\n27\n00:11:27,889 --> 00:11:29,591\n政府一定會提出前瞻的政策\n\n28\n00:11:50,179 --> 00:11:52,180\n我們一定要提供穩定的政策這是必要的\n\n29\n00:12:19,357 --> 00:12:48,067\n照那個卓院長講,如果國內緊急持續的回溫,那台股大盤未來是不是還有期待向上的空間呢?你的看法呢?需要努力,大家一起努力。大家一起努力。那另外我再請那個莊部長一併上來,那個請總裁跟主委先回去。那個卓院長,因為財化法在民國88年修到現在為止,已經啊\n\n30\n00:12:48,763 --> 00:12:48,823\n﹚主要\n\n31\n00:13:01,684 --> 00:13:29,721\n以前每一次只要修各縣市的財政局局長來有的首長來但是為什麼沒有辦法達成共識因為他都是本身站在自己的立場觀點來看整個財化法未來要如何修如何分配但是其實要是說這些縣市因為縣市不是只有藍的綠的也有甚至於綠的他們也提出說應該要修正\n\n32\n00:13:31,918 --> 00:13:57,716\n財化法。而且我認為說在上上個禮拜還上個禮拜我們財委會有修有一個臨時提案就是一定要在下一次我們開會前由財政部提出你們的版本來審那到底現在的進度如何那有沒有提出來\n\n33\n00:13:59,631 --> 00:14:07,602\n下一次就是會期開始的時候會不會提出來就是併進去審查?那個部長你有什麼看法?\n\n34\n00:14:08,864 --> 00:14:31,827\n跟委員報告,您因為在台委會很久,您也知道,那麼25年來,行政院曾經提過5次的版本,但是都因為沒有共識,所以沒有能夠完成求法。那這一次呢,就是我們其實已經去調查過各地方政府對於分配的指標表達意見,但是非常的分歧,所以這個部分我們必須要去凝聚共識,到目前來說分歧性很大。\n\n35\n00:14:32,387 --> 00:14:52,100\n那上一次財委會通過那個決議他是建請我們提出版本那這個部分呢我們會在近期會再請地方政府還有各部會來還有相關的部會要是到財委會大家取得共識你們要不要提版本嗎我就是請教你部長跟院長嘛所謂的共識就是第一個地方政府就是大家認為說應該怎麼樣分配比較合理\n\n36\n00:14:54,902 --> 00:15:10,020\n對那現在問題還是很分歧分歧那是你講的但是我們有徵詢過事實上是有很多縣市他們已經有達到某種共識認為說應該要來修而且那個比例應該要怎麼調因為\n\n37\n00:15:11,862 --> 00:15:15,186\n委員其實中央每年釋出總共有8000多億到地方統籌分配稅款\n\n38\n00:16:04,230 --> 00:16:06,251\n好,我們謝謝林委員\n\n39\n00:16:10,850 --> 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n議員長事實上臺股和美股一樣屢創新高從一般角度來看主要還是受惠經濟基本面支撐及對未來整個景氣的預期按照央行第二季理監事會討論的預期這個楊總裁表示說今年內外需會回溫因此調高經濟成長率3.77%那我請問議員長今年經濟成長率向上調\n你怎麼來看臺股未來的整個前景?有什麼看法?目前整個臺股大盤是不是已經提前反映經濟成長率的上調?還是經濟成長後勢?\n可期,那台股大盤上攻的空間能就大有可為。總裁你有什麼看法?是啦,我想剛剛那個委員也有提到了就是說國際的股市都是像美國它也是創新高,歐洲也是創新高,日本創新高,日本只是說它創新高以後再稍微回檔\n台灣當然也是一樣的就跟國際盤是差不多不過我們台灣有另外一個也就是說是因為我們的科技產業我們特別是AI的這個議題所以那這個跟我們的出國也有密切的關係所以股市才會節節上升就是說台股大盤你狀心高\n議員長\n央行表示國內經濟上半年社會剛剛陳儒總裁所提的能工智慧AI的熱潮相關產品出口暢旺那國內下半年則是輸出文件的成長帶動民間整個投資貢獻轉正而且民間消費的動能延續是支撐經濟成長的重要來源再加上主計總數今年\n政府一定會提出前瞻的政策\n我們一定要提供穩定的政策這是必要的\n照那個卓院長講,如果國內緊急持續的回溫,那台股大盤未來是不是還有期待向上的空間呢?你的看法呢?需要努力,大家一起努力。大家一起努力。那另外我再請那個莊部長一併上來,那個請總裁跟主委先回去。那個卓院長,因為財化法在民國88年修到現在為止,已經啊\n﹚主要\n以前每一次只要修各縣市的財政局局長來有的首長來但是為什麼沒有辦法達成共識因為他都是本身站在自己的立場觀點來看整個財化法未來要如何修如何分配但是其實要是說這些縣市因為縣市不是只有藍的綠的也有甚至於綠的他們也提出說應該要修正\n財化法。而且我認為說在上上個禮拜還上個禮拜我們財委會有修有一個臨時提案就是一定要在下一次我們開會前由財政部提出你們的版本來審那到底現在的進度如何那有沒有提出來\n下一次就是會期開始的時候會不會提出來就是併進去審查?那個部長你有什麼看法?\n跟委員報告,您因為在台委會很久,您也知道,那麼25年來,行政院曾經提過5次的版本,但是都因為沒有共識,所以沒有能夠完成求法。那這一次呢,就是我們其實已經去調查過各地方政府對於分配的指標表達意見,但是非常的分歧,所以這個部分我們必須要去凝聚共識,到目前來說分歧性很大。\n那上一次財委會通過那個決議他是建請我們提出版本那這個部分呢我們會在近期會再請地方政府還有各部會來還有相關的部會要是到財委會大家取得共識你們要不要提版本嗎我就是請教你部長跟院長嘛所謂的共識就是第一個地方政府就是大家認為說應該怎麼樣分配比較合理\n對那現在問題還是很分歧分歧那是你講的但是我們有徵詢過事實上是有很多縣市他們已經有達到某種共識認為說應該要來修而且那個比例應該要怎麼調因為\n委員其實中央每年釋出總共有8000多億到地方統籌分配稅款\n好,我們謝謝林委員\n吳秉瑞委員之質詢已書面提出,請行政院書面答覆,\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.246 --> 00:17.590\n謝謝大院主席這個江戶院長。是不是請那個卓院長。請卓院長備選。林委員好。卓院長你好。\n\n00:28.843 --> 00:49.454\n委員長我請教因為臺灣消費者物價上漲率CPI已經連續三年超過2%那通膨成為近年最受關注的議題不過對於外界這個習慣定2%為通膨的一個警戒線央行現在認為臺灣屬於小型開放的經濟體\n\n00:55.390 --> 01:02.619\n請問院長,採取彈性的物價穩定定義的做法,通膨警戒標準是不是成為變動指數?\n\n01:13.324 --> 01:37.942\n變動的一個指標是不是先跟我們報告我們今年的預期會比去年好一點2.07今年比去年稍微有調就是我們強力在穩定物價那我也知道民眾的一般生活就是跟他生活息息相關的核心的物價他會感受比較深用平均來算當然大家會認為說好像事實有點差距所以央行在精進整個計算的過程當中我們請央行來說明\n\n01:39.889 --> 01:41.030\n政府和民間預測機構要依據哪種標準定義?\n\n02:04.813 --> 02:30.174\n那大概也是這樣子大概都是2%左右2%左右因為本期是認為說如果標準彈性過大又會不會造成預測單位各說各話應該也是不會因為就是說我們所謂的2%左右這個也不是說短期就是說今年是這樣事實上所謂的2%是中長期的平均數\n\n02:47.014 --> 03:05.712\n事實上從消費者物價指數變動乃至於要定義為通膨率民眾關心的只有一點那就是從荷包拿錢買東西不要變貴但要怎麼樣讓民眾不覺得買東西變貴本席認為說20多年來\n\n03:13.165 --> 03:37.103\n國內民眾所得差距極端化平滬差距持續的加劇就是近年來持續討論卻又無藥可醫的一個問題那請問院長到底平滬差距所得差距極端化是不是資本主義社會民主國家下不可逆的一種現象呢?\n\n03:39.724 --> 03:51.073\n不可否認他是一個因素但是政府都用很多的其他的方法手段去平衡這些數字數字上的差距其實我們在最近公布的111年的數據是6.15\n\n03:54.275 --> 03:55.716\n所以這幾年剛剛也提到政府從重量預算\n\n04:16.707 --> 04:18.507\n所以說你認為目前政府所擁有的政策工序是不是都已經派上用場了?\n\n04:46.033 --> 05:07.329\n政策工具都有但最主要還是能夠全面的有效率的落實執行下去那我想中央地方政府都應該很努力在照顧一般人民的生活因為媒體報導政府面對通盟的作為央行認為伴隨全球化走向零碎化等結構性因素的轉變\n\n05:08.752 --> 05:09.012\n我請問院長﹖\n\n05:34.714 --> 05:44.232\n央行所說的財政政策哪些是現在政府已經實施在物價穩定上你認為有哪些?\n\n05:47.231 --> 06:01.860\n我跟委員報告事實上我們這幾年我們的物價會跟歐美國家相對的我們比較穩定是在供給面因為我們是實質供給面譬如說就是說當然就是說對這個油電的一個濕納這是一個就是供給面另外一個就是關稅啦營業稅啦還有那個貨物稅這個調降這個都是供給面\n\n06:18.208 --> 06:44.234\n總裁那個其實那個是我們超徵你看這兩年包括所有的電費這個電台電阿他的損失等於是他的虧損五千多億捏也是政府去補貼這個都是人民的納稅錢那其實這個當然主要就是因為他虧損年年那講實在話再進一步去\n\n06:45.322 --> 06:45.342\n院長﹖\n\n07:12.518 --> 07:38.463\n其實從520你就任行政院長後當然臺股大盤高點就從21300多點上漲到23400多點短短30個交易日臺股大漲了2000多點原本就本席來觀察從臺股今年年初開紅盤到現在幾乎可說是從17000多點持續上漲不回頭那我請問院長\n\n07:40.100 --> 07:58.798\n年初至今臺股上漲5000多點到底是我們的整個經濟表現的強勁帶動股市還是去年我們整個經濟景氣低迷那今年是互輸的一個回溫所以說才有這樣的一個反彈力道的導致\n\n07:59.959 --> 08:26.348\n在這種國際情勢底下我想任何政府的進步跟財政的穩定經濟的發展人民才是最大的功臣大家一定是通力合作再加上產業有產業的政策有產業的各項的方針尤其是在高端的產業當中高科技產業當中帶領台灣很多中下游的產業集體的發展所以我們這個時候更有能力從事更多的數位轉型淨零轉型同時我們也希望厚植國力把這些\n\n08:27.228 --> 08:52.302\n多增加出來的國家的實力能夠用到有用的地方去那是好的一面又或者可能台股已經有炒過高的餘力投資人應該要注意投資的風險你認為有沒有需要去注意這個每個投資的廣告都會下這一句話大家應該投資者應該有心理的準備他應該算準自己的能量以及大家對未來的形勢的掌握能夠精準的投\n\n08:54.483 --> 09:18.139\n議員長事實上臺股和美股一樣屢創新高從一般角度來看主要還是受惠經濟基本面支撐及對未來整個景氣的預期按照央行第二季理監事會討論的預期這個楊總裁表示說今年內外需會回溫因此調高經濟成長率3.77%那我請問議員長今年經濟成長率向上調\n\n09:22.902 --> 09:29.325\n你怎麼來看臺股未來的整個前景?有什麼看法?目前整個臺股大盤是不是已經提前反映經濟成長率的上調?還是經濟成長後勢?\n\n09:50.936 --> 10:12.727\n可期,那台股大盤上攻的空間能就大有可為。總裁你有什麼看法?是啦,我想剛剛那個委員也有提到了就是說國際的股市都是像美國它也是創新高,歐洲也是創新高,日本創新高,日本只是說它創新高以後再稍微回檔\n\n10:13.787 --> 10:23.692\n台灣當然也是一樣的就跟國際盤是差不多不過我們台灣有另外一個也就是說是因為我們的科技產業我們特別是AI的這個議題所以那這個跟我們的出國也有密切的關係所以股市才會節節上升就是說台股大盤你狀心高\n\n11:01.195 --> 11:26.429\n央行表示國內經濟上半年社會剛剛陳儒總裁所提的能工智慧AI的熱潮相關產品出口暢旺那國內下半年則是輸出文件的成長帶動民間整個投資貢獻轉正而且民間消費的動能延續是支撐經濟成長的重要來源再加上主計總數今年\n\n11:27.889 --> 11:29.591\n政府一定會提出前瞻的政策\n\n11:50.179 --> 11:52.180\n我們一定要提供穩定的政策這是必要的\n\n12:19.357 --> 12:48.067\n照那個卓院長講,如果國內緊急持續的回溫,那台股大盤未來是不是還有期待向上的空間呢?你的看法呢?需要努力,大家一起努力。大家一起努力。那另外我再請那個莊部長一併上來,那個請總裁跟主委先回去。那個卓院長,因為財化法在民國88年修到現在為止,已經啊\n\n12:48.763 --> 12:48.823\n﹚主要\n\n13:01.684 --> 13:29.721\n以前每一次只要修各縣市的財政局局長來有的首長來但是為什麼沒有辦法達成共識因為他都是本身站在自己的立場觀點來看整個財化法未來要如何修如何分配但是其實要是說這些縣市因為縣市不是只有藍的綠的也有甚至於綠的他們也提出說應該要修正\n\n13:31.918 --> 13:57.716\n財化法。而且我認為說在上上個禮拜還上個禮拜我們財委會有修有一個臨時提案就是一定要在下一次我們開會前由財政部提出你們的版本來審那到底現在的進度如何那有沒有提出來\n\n13:59.631 --> 14:07.602\n下一次就是會期開始的時候會不會提出來就是併進去審查?那個部長你有什麼看法?\n\n14:08.864 --> 14:31.827\n跟委員報告,您因為在台委會很久,您也知道,那麼25年來,行政院曾經提過5次的版本,但是都因為沒有共識,所以沒有能夠完成求法。那這一次呢,就是我們其實已經去調查過各地方政府對於分配的指標表達意見,但是非常的分歧,所以這個部分我們必須要去凝聚共識,到目前來說分歧性很大。\n\n14:32.387 --> 14:52.100\n那上一次財委會通過那個決議他是建請我們提出版本那這個部分呢我們會在近期會再請地方政府還有各部會來還有相關的部會要是到財委會大家取得共識你們要不要提版本嗎我就是請教你部長跟院長嘛所謂的共識就是第一個地方政府就是大家認為說應該怎麼樣分配比較合理\n\n14:54.902 --> 15:10.020\n對那現在問題還是很分歧分歧那是你講的但是我們有徵詢過事實上是有很多縣市他們已經有達到某種共識認為說應該要來修而且那個比例應該要怎麼調因為\n\n15:11.862 --> 15:15.186\n委員其實中央每年釋出總共有8000多億到地方統籌分配稅款\n\n16:04.230 --> 16:06.251\n好,我們謝謝林委員\n\n16:10.850 --> 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