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00:02:43,215\n國家重大建設計劃這邊我要特別提到的部分就是說目前國科會這邊所涵蓋的範圍跟市政府希望的範圍有相當大的一個出入所以我們希望國科會這邊能夠儘速跟市政府做更進一步的溝通能夠滿足地方人士的需求好不好是我們會按照產業需求來協助市政府做這個事謝謝主委那我想接下來我再問一下院長\n\n7\n00:02:44,235 --> 00:02:54,354\n就是你知道說竹竹苗地區高中的一個擴增班的計畫你知道這個項目嗎請委員指教鄭部長可以支援一下齁\n\n8\n00:02:55,609 --> 00:03:22,760\n在今年1月8號的時候就選前一個禮拜的時候當時的行政院副院長鄭文燦特別到了竹科實驗高中去針對了一個大新竹地區高級中等學校擴增班級數政策的一個部分去做了一個說明當時包括了陽文科縣長、高鴻安市長、中東景縣長還有竹北市長、鄭朝芳市長都到了現場\n\n9\n00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:50,257\n表示這個事情確實大家都非常的關注然後竹竹苗的五位立委全數到齊在選前一個禮拜的時候大家都集中到了竹科、時中這邊來針對這個部分那我想問一下目前行政院對於這個部分的計畫執行到什麼程度因為1月15號之後選後其實各地方政府都趕快把資料送上去\n\n10\n00:03:50,817 --> 00:04:04,082\n送上去送到教育部這邊的時候呢那他也提到行政院這裡來那行政院這邊隔了這麼多個月之後不知道目前對於這項政策是不是要如時如期的去落實它\n\n11\n00:04:06,597 --> 00:04:26,632\n跟委員報告謝謝委員關心我們竹科確實這個學生人口數的一個增加那麼我們今年在113學年度9月也就是9月我們已經對這個國立的學校先增加了五班合定增加五班也就是說國立科學時鐘增加兩班\n\n12\n00:04:27,913 --> 00:04:56,949\n然後新竹高中一班,竹南高中一班這個部分因為113年度國立高中要增班的部分是第一步除了這個部分的時候各地方政府都提出了很多的需求新竹市這邊提到在到113年學年度到116年度至少要增加49班那對於這樣的一個部分的時候我們教育部這邊怎麼回因為到目前為止行政院的態度還沒有很清楚出來\n\n13\n00:04:57,689 --> 00:05:20,146\n我們希望這個部分光靠教育部也許沒有辦法解決當地的一個需求所以我們希望行政院長這邊的時候能夠大力支持這個在今年1月8號就是當時的行政院副院長所開出來的支票在選前開這樣的支票就顯然就知道說地方有多麼的一個需求\n\n14\n00:05:20,962 --> 00:05:48,767\n除了教育部在目前業務上之外國科會也在評估就實驗中學跟完全中學來提出一個增建校舍的新的計畫那這個部分我想我們就按照它的人口成長跟地區我們是不是有一個考量用一個專案的經費來挹注那這個部分請國科會提出詳細的說明配合教育部的政策所以到時候可以有一個專案的一個預算補助對不對希望從這個方向去做\n\n15\n00:05:49,767 --> 00:05:49,787\n﹚鄭正鈐\n\n16\n00:06:12,202 --> 00:06:14,163\n國客會提出評估那麼跟教育部的政策來契合\n\n17\n00:06:32,941 --> 00:07:00,687\n謝謝院長那接下來的時候我想問一下就是之前的時候就是也有委員提到就是有關於就是短期營隊的負責人因為之前確實在新竹地方發生了一個這樣的事情一個短期營隊的負責人性侵而且被判刑了4月份被判刑確定被判刑他也許會再上訴可是呢這個事情造成的地方很大的一個恐慌恐慌的點在哪裡因為他繼續招生\n\n18\n00:07:02,092 --> 00:07:30,539\n我想問一下院長對於這樣的短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以立法來進行管理我們現在對於這種不當行為啦不當的處處面對的行為我們都要列管註記這些不當行為人讓他們沒有辦法再繼續從事類似的工作而來對其他的人員或小孩造成這個侵害我們會加重列管註記的方式\n\n19\n00:07:30,919 --> 00:07:44,345\n所以列管登記之外的時候本席在這邊是不是可以主張我們對短期營隊的部分是不是可以採取報備制讓家長安心否則他們不曉得他們參加的營隊到底會是什麼樣子的一個營隊\n\n20\n00:07:47,668 --> 00:08:01,988\n現在的方式是不是夠嚴謹?我想跟委員報告,確實委員所提的這個是我們在學校裡邊有很多他要在短期的寒暑假的這些營隊他事實上都要經過地方縣市教育局裡邊報備核准的\n\n21\n00:08:02,569 --> 00:08:23,910\n但是屬於民間自己這個招攬的這一個部分。理解,所以這就是短期嘛。所以我在想說對於家長來講他們其實參加的營隊的時候不一定是能夠都是目前的法規可以管得到的補習班。所以短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以修法對於這些兒少有更多的一個保障。\n\n22\n00:08:25,215 --> 00:08:27,136\n接下來我想請教一下我們國科會的吳主委\n\n23\n00:09:04,962 --> 00:09:22,852\n之前你在清華大學擔任副校長的時候對不對曾經接待過了一個海峽研究院這樣子的一個機制那當時你在回應委員職訓的時候你有提到說你很委屈對不對你可以稍微簡單做個說明\n\n24\n00:09:34,260 --> 00:09:46,750\n所以你去接待之後你就被打成了一個中共在台的代理人這樣子的扣一個這樣的紅帽子說實話我也覺得你很委屈所以我也幫你說話\n\n25\n00:09:47,831 --> 00:10:04,285\n在上一屆當中的時候呢因為清大被扣紅帽的這個事情就是你被扣紅帽的這個事情我跟蘇貞昌院長當時行政院長有一個非常不愉快的一個對話因為當我在質詢這樣的事情的時候他不斷地說我很吵\n\n26\n00:10:06,267 --> 00:10:17,600\n說我是一個怎麼樣子一堆亂七八糟的那個說法都出來然後吵得很兇其實為了你這邊你是現在我們的一個閣員那我想特別強調一個點就是說\n\n27\n00:10:19,961 --> 00:10:37,911\n這個部分其實也看得出來我們其實在做國會改革當中的時候其實有一些合理性跟正當性的。因為我想問一下就是院長對於在被詢的時候然後不斷的在質疑質詢的人說你很吵然後講一些亂七八糟的話你覺得這樣子適當嗎?\n\n28\n00:10:40,289 --> 00:11:05,026\n報告委員我說過我再強調我說質詢就像一片鏡子一樣你所看到的我就是我看到的你所以我們很理性冷靜的來討論事情今天委員就能知道當時的吳主委是有機會讓他說明之後就知道當時的吳主委是沒有任何的值得你講的方式其實我要跟你講一下當我們在質詢前院長蘇貞昌的時候他跟你的反應是完全不一樣的\n\n29\n00:11:05,626 --> 00:11:31,304\n他就開始撇撇腳然後就開始講一些亂七八糟的事情很多委員都有類似的經驗那我覺得因為你也很理性我們在做這樣的對話所以我只是要特別強調就是當時我為了現在的國科會主委曾經跟前院長發生一個相當嚴重的一個爭執就是因為我也覺得你們被抹紅所以我們希望在整個所有的國會改革過程當中的時候能夠更順暢\n\n30\n00:11:32,825 --> 00:11:48,496\n那我接下來想再問一下國科會主委吳主委你特別提到了一個主權AI這件事情那最近其實大家都非常的關心因為半導體是台灣的護國神山所以是也對台灣的經濟有很大的一個貢獻那麼現在再加上AI\n\n31\n00:11:50,398 --> 00:12:04,129\n台灣在AI的硬體設備當中的時候呢在第一波就踩上了全球AI的高速列車對不對那您特別提到說台灣需要建立主權的AI你可以把這個部分做一個簡單的一個說明跟描述\n\n32\n00:12:04,910 --> 00:12:26,510\n我講主權AI的觀念主要是因為如果我們要使用AI當作工具來解決我們國內各行各業甚至包含到政府機構的這些應用的話我們需要第一要訓練自己的資料來訓練這些AI的模型來解決問題我們不希望使用到錯誤的訓練資料\n\n33\n00:12:27,991 --> 00:12:56,135\n那第二呢我們使用的時候我們的資料非常寶貴國內的資料希望能夠建置在臺灣的資料中心那我們現在要怎麼做政府要扮演什麼樣子的一個角色我們政府會來協助帶領我們的國內的產業一起來開發AI的這個資料中心超級電腦甚至我們AI的這個應用服務的系統\n\n34\n00:12:56,855 --> 00:13:08,343\n希望你報出來因為那個你講這個部分我理解不過我覺得我看到了英國最近那個TotalsMedia它所做的一個那個全球的一個AI\n\n35\n00:13:39,637 --> 00:13:56,457\n所以政府的角色在整個AI的發展過程當中目前看起來似乎是走在企業之後而不是在帶領企業往前走所以針對這個部分的時候除了這邊要不要多做一個說明或者是院長這邊要不要做一個說明我們接下來要怎麼去做\n\n36\n00:13:57,157 --> 00:14:16,202\n報告委員這樣講不是很正確。我們的硬體,我們AI的半導體以及雲端設備的硬體是全世界第一。但是我剛剛講的AI應用的系統的確是我們接下來必須要快速發展的。這個目前我們還有在努力。\n\n37\n00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:41,557\n所以你講這個部分我完全了解就台灣的高科技的製造業就全球很厲害在這一波AI當中的時候我們也踩到了全球的第一波當中可是AI的發展的時候它不是製造業的概念其實我們可能更需要的其實是一個AI的一個服務業所以我這邊要講的狀態其實說我們政府是不是除了\n\n38\n00:14:42,358 --> 00:15:07,629\n去秤了NVIDIA這邊的狀態說他到時候做台北1、台北2的時候有部分的一個算力要提供給政府這邊來使用他這邊要怎麼樣去分配要怎麼樣給學研機構去做使用我們目前已經有規劃出來了嗎另外一個部分是我覺得對於整個算力的部分台灣目前硬體很厲害可是我們的算力在全球排名確實是不前面\n\n39\n00:15:08,249 --> 00:15:23,397\n所以本席在這邊要特別針對臺灣算力的提升要求院長這邊跟主委這邊大力的支持因為算力的投資絕對是值得的因為算力就是國力我們目前的方向的確是要發展\n\n40\n00:15:36,032 --> 00:15:36,052\n謝謝鄭正鈐\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5919\t8841\t謝主席,我想請一下主院長。麻煩再請主院長備詢。政務員好。\n18954\t44486\t院長好 那個早上在經濟組那個諮詢的時候你有特別提到說新竹市其實確實是很適合發展AI生態園區的一個首選之地啦那我在想說當新竹要發展AI生態園區或者是IC設計園區甚至於說我跟竹科管理局王局長也曾經聊過他也覺得說其實新竹這邊其實也很適合成立半導體生態鏈園區\n46747\t75052\t那這個部分其實就是說當科學園區在為台積電找土地的時候那其實都沒有想到協力廠商也有土地商的需求所以導致整個大新竹地區的時候有很多農地都變成了違建工廠這樣的一個情況所以說我們事實上希望說賴政府在推動桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的時候我們確實很希望能夠一併解決剛剛提到的這些問題\n76112\t103130\t所以我在這邊也特別提到那個在新竹市這邊有一個竹科S2期的一個都市計畫那早上的時候院長有特別提到說這個部分是博客會這邊正在整合的部分我想請教一下院長目前這個部分進度如何那新竹市政府主張的這個竹科S2期的部分都市計畫的部分有沒有可能納入桃竹苗大細股計畫當中\n106381\t119066\t報告委員,我們現在正在跟新竹市政府在合作。目前我們的X基地,第一棟的建築已經將近完工。\n119616\t135589\t﹗\n136269\t163215\t國家重大建設計劃這邊我要特別提到的部分就是說目前國科會這邊所涵蓋的範圍跟市政府希望的範圍有相當大的一個出入所以我們希望國科會這邊能夠儘速跟市政府做更進一步的溝通能夠滿足地方人士的需求好不好是我們會按照產業需求來協助市政府做這個事謝謝主委那我想接下來我再問一下院長\n164235\t174354\t就是你知道說竹竹苗地區高中的一個擴增班的計畫你知道這個項目嗎請委員指教鄭部長可以支援一下齁\n175609\t202760\t在今年1月8號的時候就選前一個禮拜的時候當時的行政院副院長鄭文燦特別到了竹科實驗高中去針對了一個大新竹地區高級中等學校擴增班級數政策的一個部分去做了一個說明當時包括了陽文科縣長、高鴻安市長、中東景縣長還有竹北市長、鄭朝芳市長都到了現場\n203820\t230257\t表示這個事情確實大家都非常的關注然後竹竹苗的五位立委全數到齊在選前一個禮拜的時候大家都集中到了竹科、時中這邊來針對這個部分那我想問一下目前行政院對於這個部分的計畫執行到什麼程度因為1月15號之後選後其實各地方政府都趕快把資料送上去\n230817\t244082\t送上去送到教育部這邊的時候呢那他也提到行政院這裡來那行政院這邊隔了這麼多個月之後不知道目前對於這項政策是不是要如時如期的去落實它\n246597\t266632\t跟委員報告謝謝委員關心我們竹科確實這個學生人口數的一個增加那麼我們今年在113學年度9月也就是9月我們已經對這個國立的學校先增加了五班合定增加五班也就是說國立科學時鐘增加兩班\n267913\t296949\t然後新竹高中一班,竹南高中一班這個部分因為113年度國立高中要增班的部分是第一步除了這個部分的時候各地方政府都提出了很多的需求新竹市這邊提到在到113年學年度到116年度至少要增加49班那對於這樣的一個部分的時候我們教育部這邊怎麼回因為到目前為止行政院的態度還沒有很清楚出來\n297689\t320146\t我們希望這個部分光靠教育部也許沒有辦法解決當地的一個需求所以我們希望行政院長這邊的時候能夠大力支持這個在今年1月8號就是當時的行政院副院長所開出來的支票在選前開這樣的支票就顯然就知道說地方有多麼的一個需求\n320962\t348767\t除了教育部在目前業務上之外國科會也在評估就實驗中學跟完全中學來提出一個增建校舍的新的計畫那這個部分我想我們就按照它的人口成長跟地區我們是不是有一個考量用一個專案的經費來挹注那這個部分請國科會提出詳細的說明配合教育部的政策所以到時候可以有一個專案的一個預算補助對不對希望從這個方向去做\n349767\t349787\t﹚鄭正鈐\n372202\t374163\t國客會提出評估那麼跟教育部的政策來契合\n392941\t420687\t謝謝院長那接下來的時候我想問一下就是之前的時候就是也有委員提到就是有關於就是短期營隊的負責人因為之前確實在新竹地方發生了一個這樣的事情一個短期營隊的負責人性侵而且被判刑了4月份被判刑確定被判刑他也許會再上訴可是呢這個事情造成的地方很大的一個恐慌恐慌的點在哪裡因為他繼續招生\n422092\t450539\t我想問一下院長對於這樣的短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以立法來進行管理我們現在對於這種不當行為啦不當的處處面對的行為我們都要列管註記這些不當行為人讓他們沒有辦法再繼續從事類似的工作而來對其他的人員或小孩造成這個侵害我們會加重列管註記的方式\n450919\t464345\t所以列管登記之外的時候本席在這邊是不是可以主張我們對短期營隊的部分是不是可以採取報備制讓家長安心否則他們不曉得他們參加的營隊到底會是什麼樣子的一個營隊\n467668\t481988\t現在的方式是不是夠嚴謹?我想跟委員報告,確實委員所提的這個是我們在學校裡邊有很多他要在短期的寒暑假的這些營隊他事實上都要經過地方縣市教育局裡邊報備核准的\n482569\t503910\t但是屬於民間自己這個招攬的這一個部分。理解,所以這就是短期嘛。所以我在想說對於家長來講他們其實參加的營隊的時候不一定是能夠都是目前的法規可以管得到的補習班。所以短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以修法對於這些兒少有更多的一個保障。\n505215\t507136\t接下來我想請教一下我們國科會的吳主委\n544962\t562852\t之前你在清華大學擔任副校長的時候 對不對曾經接待過了一個海峽研究院這樣子的一個機制那當時你在回應委員職訓的時候你有提到說你很委屈 對不對你可以稍微簡單做個說明\n574260\t586750\t所以你去接待之後你就被打成了一個中共在台的代理人這樣子的扣一個這樣的紅帽子說實話我也覺得你很委屈所以我也幫你說話\n587831\t604285\t在上一屆當中的時候呢因為清大被扣紅帽的這個事情就是你被扣紅帽的這個事情我跟蘇貞昌院長當時行政院長有一個非常不愉快的一個對話因為當我在質詢這樣的事情的時候他不斷地說我很吵\n606267\t617600\t說我是一個怎麼樣子一堆亂七八糟的那個說法都出來然後吵得很兇其實為了你這邊你是現在我們的一個閣員那我想特別強調一個點就是說\n619961\t637911\t這個部分其實也看得出來我們其實在做國會改革當中的時候其實有一些合理性跟正當性的。因為我想問一下就是院長對於在被詢的時候然後不斷的在質疑質詢的人說你很吵然後講一些亂七八糟的話你覺得這樣子適當嗎?\n640289\t665026\t報告委員我說過我再強調我說質詢就像一片鏡子一樣你所看到的我就是我看到的你所以我們很理性冷靜的來討論事情今天委員就能知道當時的吳主委是有機會讓他說明之後就知道當時的吳主委是沒有任何的值得你講的方式其實我要跟你講一下當我們在質詢前院長蘇貞昌的時候他跟你的反應是完全不一樣的\n665626\t691304\t他就開始撇撇腳然後就開始講一些亂七八糟的事情很多委員都有類似的經驗那我覺得因為你也很理性我們在做這樣的對話所以我只是要特別強調就是當時我為了現在的國科會主委曾經跟前院長發生一個相當嚴重的一個爭執就是因為我也覺得你們被抹紅所以我們希望在整個所有的國會改革過程當中的時候能夠更順暢\n692825\t708496\t那我接下來想再問一下國科會主委吳主委你特別提到了一個主權AI這件事情那最近其實大家都非常的關心因為半導體是台灣的護國神山所以是也對台灣的經濟有很大的一個貢獻那麼現在再加上AI\n710398\t724129\t台灣在AI的硬體設備當中的時候呢在第一波就踩上了全球AI的高速列車對不對那您特別提到說台灣需要建立主權的AI你可以把這個部分做一個簡單的一個說明跟描述\n724910\t746510\t我講主權AI的觀念主要是因為如果我們要使用AI當作工具來解決我們國內各行各業甚至包含到政府機構的這些應用的話我們需要第一要訓練自己的資料來訓練這些AI的模型來解決問題我們不希望使用到錯誤的訓練資料\n747991\t776135\t那第二呢我們使用的時候我們的資料非常寶貴國內的資料希望能夠建置在臺灣的資料中心那我們現在要怎麼做政府要扮演什麼樣子的一個角色我們政府會來協助帶領我們的國內的產業一起來開發AI的這個資料中心超級電腦甚至我們AI的這個應用服務的系統\n776855\t788343\t希望你報出來 因為那個你講這個部分我理解不過我覺得我看到了英國最近那個Totals Media它所做的一個那個全球的一個AI\n789735\t819497\t﹏﹏﹏\n819637\t836457\t所以政府的角色在整個AI的發展過程當中目前看起來似乎是走在企業之後而不是在帶領企業往前走所以針對這個部分的時候除了這邊要不要多做一個說明或者是院長這邊要不要做一個說明我們接下來要怎麼去做\n837157\t856202\t報告委員這樣講不是很正確。我們的硬體,我們AI的半導體以及雲端設備的硬體是全世界第一。但是我剛剛講的AI應用的系統的確是我們接下來必須要快速發展的。這個目前我們還有在努力。\n858100\t881557\t所以你講這個部分我完全了解就台灣的高科技的製造業就全球很厲害在這一波AI當中的時候我們也踩到了全球的第一波當中可是AI的發展的時候它不是製造業的概念其實我們可能更需要的其實是一個AI的一個服務業所以我這邊要講的狀態其實說我們政府是不是除了\n882358\t907629\t去秤了NVIDIA這邊的狀態說他到時候做台北1、台北2的時候有部分的一個算力要提供給政府這邊來使用他這邊要怎麼樣去分配要怎麼樣給學研機構去做使用我們目前已經有規劃出來了嗎另外一個部分是我覺得對於整個算力的部分台灣目前硬體很厲害可是我們的算力在全球排名確實是不前面\n908249\t923397\t所以本席在這邊要特別針對臺灣算力的提升要求院長這邊跟主委這邊大力的支持因為算力的投資絕對是值得的因為算力就是國力我們目前的方向的確是要發展\n936032\t936052\t謝謝鄭正鈐\n","txt":"謝主席,我想請一下主院長。麻煩再請主院長備詢。政務員好。\n院長好 那個早上在經濟組那個諮詢的時候你有特別提到說新竹市其實確實是很適合發展AI生態園區的一個首選之地啦那我在想說當新竹要發展AI生態園區或者是IC設計園區甚至於說我跟竹科管理局王局長也曾經聊過他也覺得說其實新竹這邊其實也很適合成立半導體生態鏈園區\n那這個部分其實就是說當科學園區在為台積電找土地的時候那其實都沒有想到協力廠商也有土地商的需求所以導致整個大新竹地區的時候有很多農地都變成了違建工廠這樣的一個情況所以說我們事實上希望說賴政府在推動桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的時候我們確實很希望能夠一併解決剛剛提到的這些問題\n所以我在這邊也特別提到那個在新竹市這邊有一個竹科S2期的一個都市計畫那早上的時候院長有特別提到說這個部分是博客會這邊正在整合的部分我想請教一下院長目前這個部分進度如何那新竹市政府主張的這個竹科S2期的部分都市計畫的部分有沒有可能納入桃竹苗大細股計畫當中\n報告委員,我們現在正在跟新竹市政府在合作。目前我們的X基地,第一棟的建築已經將近完工。\n﹗\n國家重大建設計劃這邊我要特別提到的部分就是說目前國科會這邊所涵蓋的範圍跟市政府希望的範圍有相當大的一個出入所以我們希望國科會這邊能夠儘速跟市政府做更進一步的溝通能夠滿足地方人士的需求好不好是我們會按照產業需求來協助市政府做這個事謝謝主委那我想接下來我再問一下院長\n就是你知道說竹竹苗地區高中的一個擴增班的計畫你知道這個項目嗎請委員指教鄭部長可以支援一下齁\n在今年1月8號的時候就選前一個禮拜的時候當時的行政院副院長鄭文燦特別到了竹科實驗高中去針對了一個大新竹地區高級中等學校擴增班級數政策的一個部分去做了一個說明當時包括了陽文科縣長、高鴻安市長、中東景縣長還有竹北市長、鄭朝芳市長都到了現場\n表示這個事情確實大家都非常的關注然後竹竹苗的五位立委全數到齊在選前一個禮拜的時候大家都集中到了竹科、時中這邊來針對這個部分那我想問一下目前行政院對於這個部分的計畫執行到什麼程度因為1月15號之後選後其實各地方政府都趕快把資料送上去\n送上去送到教育部這邊的時候呢那他也提到行政院這裡來那行政院這邊隔了這麼多個月之後不知道目前對於這項政策是不是要如時如期的去落實它\n跟委員報告謝謝委員關心我們竹科確實這個學生人口數的一個增加那麼我們今年在113學年度9月也就是9月我們已經對這個國立的學校先增加了五班合定增加五班也就是說國立科學時鐘增加兩班\n然後新竹高中一班,竹南高中一班這個部分因為113年度國立高中要增班的部分是第一步除了這個部分的時候各地方政府都提出了很多的需求新竹市這邊提到在到113年學年度到116年度至少要增加49班那對於這樣的一個部分的時候我們教育部這邊怎麼回因為到目前為止行政院的態度還沒有很清楚出來\n我們希望這個部分光靠教育部也許沒有辦法解決當地的一個需求所以我們希望行政院長這邊的時候能夠大力支持這個在今年1月8號就是當時的行政院副院長所開出來的支票在選前開這樣的支票就顯然就知道說地方有多麼的一個需求\n除了教育部在目前業務上之外國科會也在評估就實驗中學跟完全中學來提出一個增建校舍的新的計畫那這個部分我想我們就按照它的人口成長跟地區我們是不是有一個考量用一個專案的經費來挹注那這個部分請國科會提出詳細的說明配合教育部的政策所以到時候可以有一個專案的一個預算補助對不對希望從這個方向去做\n﹚鄭正鈐\n國客會提出評估那麼跟教育部的政策來契合\n謝謝院長那接下來的時候我想問一下就是之前的時候就是也有委員提到就是有關於就是短期營隊的負責人因為之前確實在新竹地方發生了一個這樣的事情一個短期營隊的負責人性侵而且被判刑了4月份被判刑確定被判刑他也許會再上訴可是呢這個事情造成的地方很大的一個恐慌恐慌的點在哪裡因為他繼續招生\n我想問一下院長對於這樣的短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以立法來進行管理我們現在對於這種不當行為啦不當的處處面對的行為我們都要列管註記這些不當行為人讓他們沒有辦法再繼續從事類似的工作而來對其他的人員或小孩造成這個侵害我們會加重列管註記的方式\n所以列管登記之外的時候本席在這邊是不是可以主張我們對短期營隊的部分是不是可以採取報備制讓家長安心否則他們不曉得他們參加的營隊到底會是什麼樣子的一個營隊\n現在的方式是不是夠嚴謹?我想跟委員報告,確實委員所提的這個是我們在學校裡邊有很多他要在短期的寒暑假的這些營隊他事實上都要經過地方縣市教育局裡邊報備核准的\n但是屬於民間自己這個招攬的這一個部分。理解,所以這就是短期嘛。所以我在想說對於家長來講他們其實參加的營隊的時候不一定是能夠都是目前的法規可以管得到的補習班。所以短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以修法對於這些兒少有更多的一個保障。\n接下來我想請教一下我們國科會的吳主委\n之前你在清華大學擔任副校長的時候 對不對曾經接待過了一個海峽研究院這樣子的一個機制那當時你在回應委員職訓的時候你有提到說你很委屈 對不對你可以稍微簡單做個說明\n所以你去接待之後你就被打成了一個中共在台的代理人這樣子的扣一個這樣的紅帽子說實話我也覺得你很委屈所以我也幫你說話\n在上一屆當中的時候呢因為清大被扣紅帽的這個事情就是你被扣紅帽的這個事情我跟蘇貞昌院長當時行政院長有一個非常不愉快的一個對話因為當我在質詢這樣的事情的時候他不斷地說我很吵\n說我是一個怎麼樣子一堆亂七八糟的那個說法都出來然後吵得很兇其實為了你這邊你是現在我們的一個閣員那我想特別強調一個點就是說\n這個部分其實也看得出來我們其實在做國會改革當中的時候其實有一些合理性跟正當性的。因為我想問一下就是院長對於在被詢的時候然後不斷的在質疑質詢的人說你很吵然後講一些亂七八糟的話你覺得這樣子適當嗎?\n報告委員我說過我再強調我說質詢就像一片鏡子一樣你所看到的我就是我看到的你所以我們很理性冷靜的來討論事情今天委員就能知道當時的吳主委是有機會讓他說明之後就知道當時的吳主委是沒有任何的值得你講的方式其實我要跟你講一下當我們在質詢前院長蘇貞昌的時候他跟你的反應是完全不一樣的\n他就開始撇撇腳然後就開始講一些亂七八糟的事情很多委員都有類似的經驗那我覺得因為你也很理性我們在做這樣的對話所以我只是要特別強調就是當時我為了現在的國科會主委曾經跟前院長發生一個相當嚴重的一個爭執就是因為我也覺得你們被抹紅所以我們希望在整個所有的國會改革過程當中的時候能夠更順暢\n那我接下來想再問一下國科會主委吳主委你特別提到了一個主權AI這件事情那最近其實大家都非常的關心因為半導體是台灣的護國神山所以是也對台灣的經濟有很大的一個貢獻那麼現在再加上AI\n台灣在AI的硬體設備當中的時候呢在第一波就踩上了全球AI的高速列車對不對那您特別提到說台灣需要建立主權的AI你可以把這個部分做一個簡單的一個說明跟描述\n我講主權AI的觀念主要是因為如果我們要使用AI當作工具來解決我們國內各行各業甚至包含到政府機構的這些應用的話我們需要第一要訓練自己的資料來訓練這些AI的模型來解決問題我們不希望使用到錯誤的訓練資料\n那第二呢我們使用的時候我們的資料非常寶貴國內的資料希望能夠建置在臺灣的資料中心那我們現在要怎麼做政府要扮演什麼樣子的一個角色我們政府會來協助帶領我們的國內的產業一起來開發AI的這個資料中心超級電腦甚至我們AI的這個應用服務的系統\n希望你報出來 因為那個你講這個部分我理解不過我覺得我看到了英國最近那個Totals Media它所做的一個那個全球的一個AI\n﹏﹏﹏\n所以政府的角色在整個AI的發展過程當中目前看起來似乎是走在企業之後而不是在帶領企業往前走所以針對這個部分的時候除了這邊要不要多做一個說明或者是院長這邊要不要做一個說明我們接下來要怎麼去做\n報告委員這樣講不是很正確。我們的硬體,我們AI的半導體以及雲端設備的硬體是全世界第一。但是我剛剛講的AI應用的系統的確是我們接下來必須要快速發展的。這個目前我們還有在努力。\n所以你講這個部分我完全了解就台灣的高科技的製造業就全球很厲害在這一波AI當中的時候我們也踩到了全球的第一波當中可是AI的發展的時候它不是製造業的概念其實我們可能更需要的其實是一個AI的一個服務業所以我這邊要講的狀態其實說我們政府是不是除了\n去秤了NVIDIA這邊的狀態說他到時候做台北1、台北2的時候有部分的一個算力要提供給政府這邊來使用他這邊要怎麼樣去分配要怎麼樣給學研機構去做使用我們目前已經有規劃出來了嗎另外一個部分是我覺得對於整個算力的部分台灣目前硬體很厲害可是我們的算力在全球排名確實是不前面\n所以本席在這邊要特別針對臺灣算力的提升要求院長這邊跟主委這邊大力的支持因為算力的投資絕對是值得的因為算力就是國力我們目前的方向的確是要發展\n謝謝鄭正鈐\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.919 --> 00:08.841\n謝主席,我想請一下主院長。麻煩再請主院長備詢。政務員好。\n\n00:18.954 --> 00:44.486\n院長好那個早上在經濟組那個諮詢的時候你有特別提到說新竹市其實確實是很適合發展AI生態園區的一個首選之地啦那我在想說當新竹要發展AI生態園區或者是IC設計園區甚至於說我跟竹科管理局王局長也曾經聊過他也覺得說其實新竹這邊其實也很適合成立半導體生態鏈園區\n\n00:46.747 --> 01:15.052\n那這個部分其實就是說當科學園區在為台積電找土地的時候那其實都沒有想到協力廠商也有土地商的需求所以導致整個大新竹地區的時候有很多農地都變成了違建工廠這樣的一個情況所以說我們事實上希望說賴政府在推動桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的時候我們確實很希望能夠一併解決剛剛提到的這些問題\n\n01:16.112 --> 01:43.130\n所以我在這邊也特別提到那個在新竹市這邊有一個竹科S2期的一個都市計畫那早上的時候院長有特別提到說這個部分是博客會這邊正在整合的部分我想請教一下院長目前這個部分進度如何那新竹市政府主張的這個竹科S2期的部分都市計畫的部分有沒有可能納入桃竹苗大細股計畫當中\n\n01:46.381 --> 01:59.066\n報告委員,我們現在正在跟新竹市政府在合作。目前我們的X基地,第一棟的建築已經將近完工。\n\n02:16.269 --> 02:43.215\n國家重大建設計劃這邊我要特別提到的部分就是說目前國科會這邊所涵蓋的範圍跟市政府希望的範圍有相當大的一個出入所以我們希望國科會這邊能夠儘速跟市政府做更進一步的溝通能夠滿足地方人士的需求好不好是我們會按照產業需求來協助市政府做這個事謝謝主委那我想接下來我再問一下院長\n\n02:44.235 --> 02:54.354\n就是你知道說竹竹苗地區高中的一個擴增班的計畫你知道這個項目嗎請委員指教鄭部長可以支援一下齁\n\n02:55.609 --> 03:22.760\n在今年1月8號的時候就選前一個禮拜的時候當時的行政院副院長鄭文燦特別到了竹科實驗高中去針對了一個大新竹地區高級中等學校擴增班級數政策的一個部分去做了一個說明當時包括了陽文科縣長、高鴻安市長、中東景縣長還有竹北市長、鄭朝芳市長都到了現場\n\n03:23.820 --> 03:50.257\n表示這個事情確實大家都非常的關注然後竹竹苗的五位立委全數到齊在選前一個禮拜的時候大家都集中到了竹科、時中這邊來針對這個部分那我想問一下目前行政院對於這個部分的計畫執行到什麼程度因為1月15號之後選後其實各地方政府都趕快把資料送上去\n\n03:50.817 --> 04:04.082\n送上去送到教育部這邊的時候呢那他也提到行政院這裡來那行政院這邊隔了這麼多個月之後不知道目前對於這項政策是不是要如時如期的去落實它\n\n04:06.597 --> 04:26.632\n跟委員報告謝謝委員關心我們竹科確實這個學生人口數的一個增加那麼我們今年在113學年度9月也就是9月我們已經對這個國立的學校先增加了五班合定增加五班也就是說國立科學時鐘增加兩班\n\n04:27.913 --> 04:56.949\n然後新竹高中一班,竹南高中一班這個部分因為113年度國立高中要增班的部分是第一步除了這個部分的時候各地方政府都提出了很多的需求新竹市這邊提到在到113年學年度到116年度至少要增加49班那對於這樣的一個部分的時候我們教育部這邊怎麼回因為到目前為止行政院的態度還沒有很清楚出來\n\n04:57.689 --> 05:20.146\n我們希望這個部分光靠教育部也許沒有辦法解決當地的一個需求所以我們希望行政院長這邊的時候能夠大力支持這個在今年1月8號就是當時的行政院副院長所開出來的支票在選前開這樣的支票就顯然就知道說地方有多麼的一個需求\n\n05:20.962 --> 05:48.767\n除了教育部在目前業務上之外國科會也在評估就實驗中學跟完全中學來提出一個增建校舍的新的計畫那這個部分我想我們就按照它的人口成長跟地區我們是不是有一個考量用一個專案的經費來挹注那這個部分請國科會提出詳細的說明配合教育部的政策所以到時候可以有一個專案的一個預算補助對不對希望從這個方向去做\n\n05:49.767 --> 05:49.787\n﹚鄭正鈐\n\n06:12.202 --> 06:14.163\n國客會提出評估那麼跟教育部的政策來契合\n\n06:32.941 --> 07:00.687\n謝謝院長那接下來的時候我想問一下就是之前的時候就是也有委員提到就是有關於就是短期營隊的負責人因為之前確實在新竹地方發生了一個這樣的事情一個短期營隊的負責人性侵而且被判刑了4月份被判刑確定被判刑他也許會再上訴可是呢這個事情造成的地方很大的一個恐慌恐慌的點在哪裡因為他繼續招生\n\n07:02.092 --> 07:30.539\n我想問一下院長對於這樣的短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以立法來進行管理我們現在對於這種不當行為啦不當的處處面對的行為我們都要列管註記這些不當行為人讓他們沒有辦法再繼續從事類似的工作而來對其他的人員或小孩造成這個侵害我們會加重列管註記的方式\n\n07:30.919 --> 07:44.345\n所以列管登記之外的時候本席在這邊是不是可以主張我們對短期營隊的部分是不是可以採取報備制讓家長安心否則他們不曉得他們參加的營隊到底會是什麼樣子的一個營隊\n\n07:47.668 --> 08:01.988\n現在的方式是不是夠嚴謹?我想跟委員報告,確實委員所提的這個是我們在學校裡邊有很多他要在短期的寒暑假的這些營隊他事實上都要經過地方縣市教育局裡邊報備核准的\n\n08:02.569 --> 08:23.910\n但是屬於民間自己這個招攬的這一個部分。理解,所以這就是短期嘛。所以我在想說對於家長來講他們其實參加的營隊的時候不一定是能夠都是目前的法規可以管得到的補習班。所以短期營隊的時候我們是不是可以修法對於這些兒少有更多的一個保障。\n\n08:25.215 --> 08:27.136\n接下來我想請教一下我們國科會的吳主委\n\n09:04.962 --> 09:22.852\n之前你在清華大學擔任副校長的時候對不對曾經接待過了一個海峽研究院這樣子的一個機制那當時你在回應委員職訓的時候你有提到說你很委屈對不對你可以稍微簡單做個說明\n\n09:34.260 --> 09:46.750\n所以你去接待之後你就被打成了一個中共在台的代理人這樣子的扣一個這樣的紅帽子說實話我也覺得你很委屈所以我也幫你說話\n\n09:47.831 --> 10:04.285\n在上一屆當中的時候呢因為清大被扣紅帽的這個事情就是你被扣紅帽的這個事情我跟蘇貞昌院長當時行政院長有一個非常不愉快的一個對話因為當我在質詢這樣的事情的時候他不斷地說我很吵\n\n10:06.267 --> 10:17.600\n說我是一個怎麼樣子一堆亂七八糟的那個說法都出來然後吵得很兇其實為了你這邊你是現在我們的一個閣員那我想特別強調一個點就是說\n\n10:19.961 --> 10:37.911\n這個部分其實也看得出來我們其實在做國會改革當中的時候其實有一些合理性跟正當性的。因為我想問一下就是院長對於在被詢的時候然後不斷的在質疑質詢的人說你很吵然後講一些亂七八糟的話你覺得這樣子適當嗎?\n\n10:40.289 --> 11:05.026\n報告委員我說過我再強調我說質詢就像一片鏡子一樣你所看到的我就是我看到的你所以我們很理性冷靜的來討論事情今天委員就能知道當時的吳主委是有機會讓他說明之後就知道當時的吳主委是沒有任何的值得你講的方式其實我要跟你講一下當我們在質詢前院長蘇貞昌的時候他跟你的反應是完全不一樣的\n\n11:05.626 --> 11:31.304\n他就開始撇撇腳然後就開始講一些亂七八糟的事情很多委員都有類似的經驗那我覺得因為你也很理性我們在做這樣的對話所以我只是要特別強調就是當時我為了現在的國科會主委曾經跟前院長發生一個相當嚴重的一個爭執就是因為我也覺得你們被抹紅所以我們希望在整個所有的國會改革過程當中的時候能夠更順暢\n\n11:32.825 --> 11:48.496\n那我接下來想再問一下國科會主委吳主委你特別提到了一個主權AI這件事情那最近其實大家都非常的關心因為半導體是台灣的護國神山所以是也對台灣的經濟有很大的一個貢獻那麼現在再加上AI\n\n11:50.398 --> 12:04.129\n台灣在AI的硬體設備當中的時候呢在第一波就踩上了全球AI的高速列車對不對那您特別提到說台灣需要建立主權的AI你可以把這個部分做一個簡單的一個說明跟描述\n\n12:04.910 --> 12:26.510\n我講主權AI的觀念主要是因為如果我們要使用AI當作工具來解決我們國內各行各業甚至包含到政府機構的這些應用的話我們需要第一要訓練自己的資料來訓練這些AI的模型來解決問題我們不希望使用到錯誤的訓練資料\n\n12:27.991 --> 12:56.135\n那第二呢我們使用的時候我們的資料非常寶貴國內的資料希望能夠建置在臺灣的資料中心那我們現在要怎麼做政府要扮演什麼樣子的一個角色我們政府會來協助帶領我們的國內的產業一起來開發AI的這個資料中心超級電腦甚至我們AI的這個應用服務的系統\n\n12:56.855 --> 13:08.343\n希望你報出來因為那個你講這個部分我理解不過我覺得我看到了英國最近那個TotalsMedia它所做的一個那個全球的一個AI\n\n13:39.637 --> 13:56.457\n所以政府的角色在整個AI的發展過程當中目前看起來似乎是走在企業之後而不是在帶領企業往前走所以針對這個部分的時候除了這邊要不要多做一個說明或者是院長這邊要不要做一個說明我們接下來要怎麼去做\n\n13:57.157 --> 14:16.202\n報告委員這樣講不是很正確。我們的硬體,我們AI的半導體以及雲端設備的硬體是全世界第一。但是我剛剛講的AI應用的系統的確是我們接下來必須要快速發展的。這個目前我們還有在努力。\n\n14:18.100 --> 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