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00:01:48,537\n不良的時候馬上換新的麥克風可是旁邊那個場控人員又報錯了麥克風的號碼我想在現場這種狀況是非常凌亂的所以未來我們會改善做法包括慎選我們的硬體跟協力廠商確實掌握這個麥克風設備狀況增加一些無線訊號監控跟技術人員條度跟作業的SOP\n\n6\n00:01:55,376 --> 00:02:04,653\n看起來都是技術性層面問題那未來譬如說像這樣子的一個招包相關的承辦廠商是不是也應該要把它列為考核的項目?\n\n7\n00:02:09,702 --> 00:02:27,190\n報告委員關於政策的整個部分我們有跟台視做過檢討那我們是一定會依照契約來就責然後跟包括扣款那我們也會依照契約的相關規定然後做未來後續典禮以後承辦的相關的檢討跟參考好來那再請教部長\n\n8\n00:02:28,406 --> 00:02:46,574\n部長現在也有看到是說居然說得獎者上台致詞的部分也有說被這個粉磚給消失那你當然也有受到這個媒體的一個詢問其實本期還是強調重要的影視頒獎典禮得獎者上台致詞就屬於得獎者的\n\n9\n00:02:46,954 --> 00:03:03,313\n我們每一個人都應該要尊重因為榮耀時刻要說什麼就是言論自由嘛那尤其關心國際大事這也是一個高尚人道的一個關懷但是為什麼會在這個情況下還是會讓大家去有一些這種\n\n10\n00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:04,950\n臺灣資深藝人\n\n11\n00:03:22,418 --> 00:03:37,063\n那部長上一次本席也才這邊才質詢您請教是說如果說用孤寂一詞會不會覺得是不是用大陸用語你那時候講說文化是包容的所以針對這樣子文化部辦這樣子的一個獎項然後網友這樣討論您自己怎麼看\n\n12\n00:03:37,979 --> 00:03:54,182\n我覺得我沒有想到這件事情會鬧那麼大的原因是其實每一次的頒獎過去也有完全不會把那個得獎人的得獎即時打出來不管得獎者不管頒獎者他們的言論是不是應該都要尊重\n\n13\n00:03:54,502 --> 00:03:54,862\n帕奈最後講這個天安門事件\n\n14\n00:04:18,973 --> 00:04:18,993\n〔記者訪問〕\n\n15\n00:04:37,478 --> 00:04:37,938\n其實本席要說\n\n16\n00:05:06,971 --> 00:05:08,412\n我在現場我覺得有的時候很奇怪這個社會很怪\n\n17\n00:05:33,531 --> 00:05:55,762\n現場有幾位立委也跟我們一起在現場看那個表演其實我每次聽到那個有原住民的歌有客家語言的歌有華語的歌然後有台語的歌大家混在一起比過去那個多元而且歌手變多我跟你講我單場的感覺我非常感動那現場聽的觀眾也非常的嗨可是最後會\n\n18\n00:05:56,783 --> 00:05:57,123\n這個我們有繼續玩一下\n\n19\n00:06:24,848 --> 00:06:32,670\n現在有了解現在的狀況嗎來平面媒體講的是哪一家電視台跟委員報告我們現在是依照我們的規定的程序進行行政調查所以我們兩個對象需要調查第一個就是邀請單位那邀請單位是聯合報那第二個就是這個當事的單位就是新華社那因為新華社還有兩位記者還在台灣所以我們也進行了約訪\n\n20\n00:06:51,733 --> 00:06:54,514\n這個禮拜以前會對對外有一個公開說明今天禮拜三了所以明天或後天是不是這個禮拜以內\n\n21\n00:07:18,496 --> 00:07:33,289\n一個禮拜以內一個禮拜以內但是已經過去一個禮拜啦上禮拜發生的事情到現在那本席只想確認平面媒體報導有講是說真的因為這種事情如果說發生任何人身上我們都沒有辦法接受\n\n22\n00:07:33,829 --> 00:07:52,558\n怎麼會有外國的人可以到我們台灣的新聞電視台然後去看說哪一個政論節目那被影射的政論節目有沒有看到上禮拜他也大動作聲明覺得是說根本不是啊只需烏有啊根本沒有這種事啊那所以說我們行政機關調查到底有沒有確認有沒有電視台\n\n23\n00:07:53,755 --> 00:08:17,217\n有沒有這個情況?目前為止我們還在確認當中那也要跟委員說明所以你們會找那個電視台來詢問嗎?我們要先從當事人開始因為我們進行當事人是指誰?是指邀請的單位跟駐台的單位駐台的單位就新華社新華社那新華社他們邀請你們詢問了沒?\n\n24\n00:08:18,769 --> 00:08:26,731\n已經約訪了那他們有承認這個事情嗎還沒說因為一個禮拜所以約他然後跟他約時間說什麼時候可以來已經約了但他還沒有來還沒來有在進行中那跟委員說因為我們畢竟行政調查權並不是司法權也不是自行的法務的權利部長\n\n25\n00:08:44,138 --> 00:09:11,908\n文化部其實沒有...你剛剛答詢喔本席也給你很多時間來回答那一樣就是說你講到說現在的台灣像我們中華民國我們法治社會我們沒有辦法想像說有人會做這個言語調查思想調查那一樣的道理你覺得這樣的一個狀況因為上禮拜平面媒體他指正立立啊大動作但是我們真的去看裡面有寫哪一家電視台嗎沒有他就寫沒有寫哪一家電視台只有影社\n\n26\n00:09:12,881 --> 00:09:35,226\n那有寫說是什麼節目嗎?沒有,但就變成是說人人自為啊,好像被潑到髒水的,被影射到的,然後大家就在以兒傳兒,然後網路上鋪天蓋地在配合側翼來去帶風向,哇,那一個電視台好像就被帶風向了,本身沒有要為哪一家電視台講話,但本身很沒有辦法接受就是用這種帶風向式的以兒傳兒的故意抹紅的。\n\n27\n00:09:37,096 --> 00:09:56,408\n那一樣的道理啊我剛剛問了如果說我們行政調查有屬實因為陸委會要跟文化部持續查明嘛有屬實把他給抓出來該犯什麼法令國安法還是什麼法把他揪出來但沒有屬實是不是也應該還相關人的一個公道\n\n28\n00:09:57,108 --> 00:09:58,109\n我們的功能是這樣子﹖\n\n29\n00:10:22,668 --> 00:10:26,209\n昨天卓院長在另外一個立法院的那個會議中他也被問到這一題\n\n30\n00:10:45,276 --> 00:11:06,792\n部長最後本席今天也看到這個新聞啊臺南我想朝偉是臺南人啊大家很關注啊真善美戲院2018年其實他才剛重新開幕但是到現在2024年不過6年的時間他又在熄燈了那部長您之前上任的時候外界給您一個評語啊叫做真正懂電影的部長\n\n31\n00:11:08,195 --> 00:11:21,650\n所以您既然是一個真正懂電影部長看到這樣子國內電影院的狀況不管是現在這個市場越來越萎縮不管是國片的一個市場您有什麼樣的一個作為能夠更積極的來協助\n\n32\n00:11:23,867 --> 00:11:44,993\n委員您問得很好這也是我最憂心的部分因為整體的電影市場不是因為國片而是連戲片都開始跌那是因為整個消費方式大家很少願意走進戲院那整體來講已經發展出兩種東西一個是電影院的戲院電影院的電影一個是在Netflix這種平台上算流平台所以我們作為一個\n\n33\n00:11:48,516 --> 00:11:49,156\n韓國瑜主席\n\n34\n00:12:14,567 --> 00:12:34,944\n臺灣的文化內容包括科技包括電影包括電視還有文學等等也變了一百億用四年來用所以作為一個文化部長我唯一能做就是我們預祝更多的資源協助他們能夠把這個整個內容產業抬起來但是西院的凋零的確不是一天的事情\n\n35\n00:12:35,825 --> 00:12:36,425\n主持人李遠列席\n\n36\n00:12:56,693 --> 00:12:56,713\n韓國瑜議員\n\n37\n00:13:16,763 --> 00:13:39,841\n部長我覺得這是一個大問題本期只是提出一個點因為過去到現在我也都在這邊很關心我們的不管是影視產業或是國片的相關的發展但我只提醒兩個點第一過去有人感嘆說前幾任部長對於文化的重視其實追根究柢到最後都只剩傻錢業界雖然高興但是影視文化難以紮根這個是媒體報導對於過去幾任部長的一個講法\n\n38\n00:13:44,184 --> 00:14:04,278\n所以剛剛雖然聽到你有講說有兩個計畫但是本期還是要強調除了這個資源投入以外更重要的是要做什麼那還有第二個部分商業影片戲劇當然他們有他們各自的發展譬如說引進更新的技術環繞音響IMAX或是那個\n\n39\n00:14:05,439 --> 00:14:05,839\n我請部長\n\n40\n00:14:35,020 --> 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您自己怎麼看\n217979\t234182\t我覺得我沒有想到這件事情會鬧那麼大的原因是其實每一次的頒獎過去也有完全不會把那個得獎人的得獎即時打出來不管得獎者不管頒獎者他們的言論是不是應該都要尊重\n234502\t234862\t帕奈最後講這個天安門事件\n258973\t258993\t〔記者訪問〕\n277478\t277938\t其實本席要說\n306971\t308412\t我在現場我覺得有的時候很奇怪這個社會很怪\n333531\t355762\t現場有幾位立委也跟我們一起在現場看那個表演其實我每次聽到那個有原住民的歌有客家語言的歌有華語的歌然後有台語的歌大家混在一起比過去那個多元而且歌手變多我跟你講我單場的感覺我非常感動那現場聽的觀眾也非常的嗨可是最後會\n356783\t357123\t這個我們有繼續玩一下\n384848\t392670\t現在有了解現在的狀況嗎來 平面媒體講的是哪一家電視台跟委員報告我們現在是依照我們的規定的程序進行行政調查所以我們兩個對象需要調查第一個就是邀請單位那邀請單位是聯合報那第二個就是這個當事的單位就是新華社那因為新華社還有兩位記者還在台灣所以我們也進行了約訪\n411733\t414514\t這個禮拜以前會對對外有一個公開說明今天禮拜三了所以明天或後天是不是這個禮拜以內\n438496\t453289\t一個禮拜以內一個禮拜以內但是已經過去一個禮拜啦上禮拜發生的事情到現在那本席只想確認平面媒體報導有講是說真的因為這種事情如果說發生任何人身上我們都沒有辦法接受\n453829\t472558\t怎麼會有外國的人可以到我們台灣的新聞電視台然後去看說哪一個政論節目那被影射的政論節目有沒有看到上禮拜他也大動作聲明覺得是說根本不是啊只需烏有啊根本沒有這種事啊那所以說我們行政機關調查到底有沒有確認有沒有電視台\n473755\t497217\t有沒有這個情況?目前為止我們還在確認當中那也要跟委員說明所以你們會找那個電視台來詢問嗎?我們要先從當事人開始因為我們進行當事人是指誰?是指邀請的單位跟駐台的單位駐台的單位就新華社新華社那新華社他們邀請你們詢問了沒?\n498769\t506731\t已經約訪了那他們有承認這個事情嗎還沒說因為一個禮拜所以約他然後跟他約時間說什麼時候可以來已經約了但他還沒有來還沒來有在進行中那跟委員說因為我們畢竟行政調查權並不是司法權也不是自行的法務的權利部長\n524138\t551908\t文化部其實沒有...你剛剛答詢喔本席也給你很多時間來回答那一樣就是說你講到說現在的台灣像我們中華民國我們法治社會我們沒有辦法想像說有人會做這個言語調查思想調查那一樣的道理你覺得這樣的一個狀況因為上禮拜平面媒體他指正立立啊大動作但是我們真的去看裡面有寫哪一家電視台嗎沒有他就寫沒有寫哪一家電視台只有影社\n552881\t575226\t那有寫說是什麼節目嗎?沒有,但就變成是說人人自為啊,好像被潑到髒水的,被影射到的,然後大家就在以兒傳兒,然後網路上鋪天蓋地在配合側翼來去帶風向,哇,那一個電視台好像就被帶風向了,本身沒有要為哪一家電視台講話,但本身很沒有辦法接受就是用這種帶風向式的以兒傳兒的故意抹紅的。\n577096\t596408\t那一樣的道理啊我剛剛問了如果說我們行政調查有屬實因為陸委會要跟文化部持續查明嘛有屬實把他給抓出來該犯什麼法令國安法還是什麼法把他揪出來但沒有屬實是不是也應該還相關人的一個公道\n597108\t598109\t我們的功能是這樣子﹖\n622668\t626209\t昨天卓院長在另外一個立法院的那個會議中他也被問到這一題\n645276\t666792\t部長最後本席今天也看到這個新聞啊臺南我想朝偉是臺南人啊大家很關注啊真善美戲院2018年其實他才剛重新開幕但是到現在2024年不過6年的時間他又在熄燈了那部長您之前上任的時候外界給您一個評語啊叫做真正懂電影的部長\n668195\t681650\t所以您既然是一個真正懂電影部長看到這樣子國內電影院的狀況不管是現在這個市場越來越萎縮不管是國片的一個市場您有什麼樣的一個作為能夠更積極的來協助\n683867\t704993\t委員您問得很好這也是我最憂心的部分因為整體的電影市場不是因為國片而是連戲片都開始跌那是因為整個消費方式大家很少願意走進戲院那整體來講已經發展出兩種東西一個是電影院的戲院電影院的電影一個是在Netflix這種平台上算流平台所以我們作為一個\n708516\t709156\t韓國瑜主席\n734567\t754944\t臺灣的文化內容包括科技 包括電影 包括電視 還有文學等等也變了一百億用 四年來用所以作為一個文化部長我唯一能做就是我們預祝更多的資源協助他們能夠把這個整個內容產業抬起來但是西院的凋零的確不是一天的事情\n755825\t756425\t主持人李遠列席\n776693\t776713\t韓國瑜議員\n796763\t819841\t部長我覺得這是一個大問題本期只是提出一個點因為過去到現在我也都在這邊很關心我們的不管是影視產業或是國片的相關的發展但我只提醒兩個點第一過去有人感嘆說前幾任部長對於文化的重視其實追根究柢到最後都只剩傻錢業界雖然高興但是影視文化難以紮根這個是媒體報導對於過去幾任部長的一個講法\n824184\t844278\t所以剛剛雖然聽到你有講說有兩個計畫但是本期還是要強調除了這個資源投入以外更重要的是要做什麼那還有第二個部分商業影片戲劇當然他們有他們各自的發展譬如說引進更新的技術環繞音響IMAX或是那個\n845439\t845839\t我請部長\n875020\t875300\t謝謝洪孟楷委員\n","txt":"主席謝謝麻煩請李部長有請李部長\n洪委員你好部長好部長我們先請教一下就是上禮拜才剛落幕的這個金曲獎那當然金曲獎大家也都非常關心因為三金其實也是我們的這個年度盛事那但是在這一次金曲獎裡面反而大家會覺得是說有一些這個\n整體來講我們那個已經跟台視當時轉播的是台視公司我們跟他問整個過程他們也對外\n主要是麥克風的設備但是故障但之前沒有彩排嗎相信也都有啊都有可是我覺得現場的那個狀況應該是他們的人員不足然後應付不夠反應不夠快所以發現電池\n不良的時候馬上換新的麥克風可是旁邊那個場控人員又報錯了麥克風的號碼我想在現場這種狀況是非常凌亂的所以未來我們會改善做法包括慎選我們的硬體跟協力廠商確實掌握這個麥克風設備狀況增加一些無線訊號監控跟技術人員條度跟作業的SOP\n看起來都是技術性層面問題那未來譬如說像這樣子的一個招包相關的承辦廠商是不是也應該要把它列為考核的項目?\n報告委員關於政策的整個部分我們有跟台視做過檢討那我們是一定會依照契約來就責然後跟包括扣款那我們也會依照契約的相關規定然後做未來後續典禮以後承辦的相關的檢討跟參考好來那再請教部長\n部長 現在也有看到是說 居然說得獎者上台致詞的部分也有說被這個粉磚給消失那你當然也有受到這個媒體的一個詢問其實本期還是強調重要的影視頒獎典禮得獎者上台致詞就屬於得獎者的\n我們每一個人都應該要尊重因為榮耀時刻要說什麼就是言論自由嘛那尤其關心國際大事這也是一個高尚人道的一個關懷但是為什麼會在這個情況下還是會讓大家去有一些這種\n臺灣資深藝人\n那部長 上一次本席也才這邊才質詢您請教是說如果說用孤寂一詞會不會覺得是不是用大陸用語你那時候講說文化是包容的所以針對這樣子 文化部辦這樣子的一個獎項然後網友這樣討論 您自己怎麼看\n我覺得我沒有想到這件事情會鬧那麼大的原因是其實每一次的頒獎過去也有完全不會把那個得獎人的得獎即時打出來不管得獎者不管頒獎者他們的言論是不是應該都要尊重\n帕奈最後講這個天安門事件\n〔記者訪問〕\n其實本席要說\n我在現場我覺得有的時候很奇怪這個社會很怪\n現場有幾位立委也跟我們一起在現場看那個表演其實我每次聽到那個有原住民的歌有客家語言的歌有華語的歌然後有台語的歌大家混在一起比過去那個多元而且歌手變多我跟你講我單場的感覺我非常感動那現場聽的觀眾也非常的嗨可是最後會\n這個我們有繼續玩一下\n現在有了解現在的狀況嗎來 平面媒體講的是哪一家電視台跟委員報告我們現在是依照我們的規定的程序進行行政調查所以我們兩個對象需要調查第一個就是邀請單位那邀請單位是聯合報那第二個就是這個當事的單位就是新華社那因為新華社還有兩位記者還在台灣所以我們也進行了約訪\n這個禮拜以前會對對外有一個公開說明今天禮拜三了所以明天或後天是不是這個禮拜以內\n一個禮拜以內一個禮拜以內但是已經過去一個禮拜啦上禮拜發生的事情到現在那本席只想確認平面媒體報導有講是說真的因為這種事情如果說發生任何人身上我們都沒有辦法接受\n怎麼會有外國的人可以到我們台灣的新聞電視台然後去看說哪一個政論節目那被影射的政論節目有沒有看到上禮拜他也大動作聲明覺得是說根本不是啊只需烏有啊根本沒有這種事啊那所以說我們行政機關調查到底有沒有確認有沒有電視台\n有沒有這個情況?目前為止我們還在確認當中那也要跟委員說明所以你們會找那個電視台來詢問嗎?我們要先從當事人開始因為我們進行當事人是指誰?是指邀請的單位跟駐台的單位駐台的單位就新華社新華社那新華社他們邀請你們詢問了沒?\n已經約訪了那他們有承認這個事情嗎還沒說因為一個禮拜所以約他然後跟他約時間說什麼時候可以來已經約了但他還沒有來還沒來有在進行中那跟委員說因為我們畢竟行政調查權並不是司法權也不是自行的法務的權利部長\n文化部其實沒有...你剛剛答詢喔本席也給你很多時間來回答那一樣就是說你講到說現在的台灣像我們中華民國我們法治社會我們沒有辦法想像說有人會做這個言語調查思想調查那一樣的道理你覺得這樣的一個狀況因為上禮拜平面媒體他指正立立啊大動作但是我們真的去看裡面有寫哪一家電視台嗎沒有他就寫沒有寫哪一家電視台只有影社\n那有寫說是什麼節目嗎?沒有,但就變成是說人人自為啊,好像被潑到髒水的,被影射到的,然後大家就在以兒傳兒,然後網路上鋪天蓋地在配合側翼來去帶風向,哇,那一個電視台好像就被帶風向了,本身沒有要為哪一家電視台講話,但本身很沒有辦法接受就是用這種帶風向式的以兒傳兒的故意抹紅的。\n那一樣的道理啊我剛剛問了如果說我們行政調查有屬實因為陸委會要跟文化部持續查明嘛有屬實把他給抓出來該犯什麼法令國安法還是什麼法把他揪出來但沒有屬實是不是也應該還相關人的一個公道\n我們的功能是這樣子﹖\n昨天卓院長在另外一個立法院的那個會議中他也被問到這一題\n部長最後本席今天也看到這個新聞啊臺南我想朝偉是臺南人啊大家很關注啊真善美戲院2018年其實他才剛重新開幕但是到現在2024年不過6年的時間他又在熄燈了那部長您之前上任的時候外界給您一個評語啊叫做真正懂電影的部長\n所以您既然是一個真正懂電影部長看到這樣子國內電影院的狀況不管是現在這個市場越來越萎縮不管是國片的一個市場您有什麼樣的一個作為能夠更積極的來協助\n委員您問得很好這也是我最憂心的部分因為整體的電影市場不是因為國片而是連戲片都開始跌那是因為整個消費方式大家很少願意走進戲院那整體來講已經發展出兩種東西一個是電影院的戲院電影院的電影一個是在Netflix這種平台上算流平台所以我們作為一個\n韓國瑜主席\n臺灣的文化內容包括科技 包括電影 包括電視 還有文學等等也變了一百億用 四年來用所以作為一個文化部長我唯一能做就是我們預祝更多的資源協助他們能夠把這個整個內容產業抬起來但是西院的凋零的確不是一天的事情\n主持人李遠列席\n韓國瑜議員\n部長我覺得這是一個大問題本期只是提出一個點因為過去到現在我也都在這邊很關心我們的不管是影視產業或是國片的相關的發展但我只提醒兩個點第一過去有人感嘆說前幾任部長對於文化的重視其實追根究柢到最後都只剩傻錢業界雖然高興但是影視文化難以紮根這個是媒體報導對於過去幾任部長的一個講法\n所以剛剛雖然聽到你有講說有兩個計畫但是本期還是要強調除了這個資源投入以外更重要的是要做什麼那還有第二個部分商業影片戲劇當然他們有他們各自的發展譬如說引進更新的技術環繞音響IMAX或是那個\n我請部長\n謝謝洪孟楷委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.047 --> 00:12.928\n主席謝謝麻煩請李部長有請李部長\n\n00:19.813 --> 00:37.587\n洪委員你好部長好部長我們先請教一下就是上禮拜才剛落幕的這個金曲獎那當然金曲獎大家也都非常關心因為三金其實也是我們的這個年度盛事那但是在這一次金曲獎裡面反而大家會覺得是說有一些這個\n\n00:39.548 --> 00:41.490\n整體來講我們那個已經跟台視當時轉播的是台視公司我們跟他問整個過程他們也對外\n\n01:06.448 --> 01:11.811\n主要是麥克風的設備但是故障但之前沒有彩排嗎相信也都有啊都有可是我覺得現場的那個狀況應該是他們的人員不足然後應付不夠反應不夠快所以發現電池\n\n01:28.740 --> 01:48.537\n不良的時候馬上換新的麥克風可是旁邊那個場控人員又報錯了麥克風的號碼我想在現場這種狀況是非常凌亂的所以未來我們會改善做法包括慎選我們的硬體跟協力廠商確實掌握這個麥克風設備狀況增加一些無線訊號監控跟技術人員條度跟作業的SOP\n\n01:55.376 --> 02:04.653\n看起來都是技術性層面問題那未來譬如說像這樣子的一個招包相關的承辦廠商是不是也應該要把它列為考核的項目?\n\n02:09.702 --> 02:27.190\n報告委員關於政策的整個部分我們有跟台視做過檢討那我們是一定會依照契約來就責然後跟包括扣款那我們也會依照契約的相關規定然後做未來後續典禮以後承辦的相關的檢討跟參考好來那再請教部長\n\n02:28.406 --> 02:46.574\n部長現在也有看到是說居然說得獎者上台致詞的部分也有說被這個粉磚給消失那你當然也有受到這個媒體的一個詢問其實本期還是強調重要的影視頒獎典禮得獎者上台致詞就屬於得獎者的\n\n02:46.954 --> 03:03.313\n我們每一個人都應該要尊重因為榮耀時刻要說什麼就是言論自由嘛那尤其關心國際大事這也是一個高尚人道的一個關懷但是為什麼會在這個情況下還是會讓大家去有一些這種\n\n03:04.710 --> 03:04.950\n臺灣資深藝人\n\n03:22.418 --> 03:37.063\n那部長上一次本席也才這邊才質詢您請教是說如果說用孤寂一詞會不會覺得是不是用大陸用語你那時候講說文化是包容的所以針對這樣子文化部辦這樣子的一個獎項然後網友這樣討論您自己怎麼看\n\n03:37.979 --> 03:54.182\n我覺得我沒有想到這件事情會鬧那麼大的原因是其實每一次的頒獎過去也有完全不會把那個得獎人的得獎即時打出來不管得獎者不管頒獎者他們的言論是不是應該都要尊重\n\n03:54.502 --> 03:54.862\n帕奈最後講這個天安門事件\n\n04:18.973 --> 04:18.993\n〔記者訪問〕\n\n04:37.478 --> 04:37.938\n其實本席要說\n\n05:06.971 --> 05:08.412\n我在現場我覺得有的時候很奇怪這個社會很怪\n\n05:33.531 --> 05:55.762\n現場有幾位立委也跟我們一起在現場看那個表演其實我每次聽到那個有原住民的歌有客家語言的歌有華語的歌然後有台語的歌大家混在一起比過去那個多元而且歌手變多我跟你講我單場的感覺我非常感動那現場聽的觀眾也非常的嗨可是最後會\n\n05:56.783 --> 05:57.123\n這個我們有繼續玩一下\n\n06:24.848 --> 06:32.670\n現在有了解現在的狀況嗎來平面媒體講的是哪一家電視台跟委員報告我們現在是依照我們的規定的程序進行行政調查所以我們兩個對象需要調查第一個就是邀請單位那邀請單位是聯合報那第二個就是這個當事的單位就是新華社那因為新華社還有兩位記者還在台灣所以我們也進行了約訪\n\n06:51.733 --> 06:54.514\n這個禮拜以前會對對外有一個公開說明今天禮拜三了所以明天或後天是不是這個禮拜以內\n\n07:18.496 --> 07:33.289\n一個禮拜以內一個禮拜以內但是已經過去一個禮拜啦上禮拜發生的事情到現在那本席只想確認平面媒體報導有講是說真的因為這種事情如果說發生任何人身上我們都沒有辦法接受\n\n07:33.829 --> 07:52.558\n怎麼會有外國的人可以到我們台灣的新聞電視台然後去看說哪一個政論節目那被影射的政論節目有沒有看到上禮拜他也大動作聲明覺得是說根本不是啊只需烏有啊根本沒有這種事啊那所以說我們行政機關調查到底有沒有確認有沒有電視台\n\n07:53.755 --> 08:17.217\n有沒有這個情況?目前為止我們還在確認當中那也要跟委員說明所以你們會找那個電視台來詢問嗎?我們要先從當事人開始因為我們進行當事人是指誰?是指邀請的單位跟駐台的單位駐台的單位就新華社新華社那新華社他們邀請你們詢問了沒?\n\n08:18.769 --> 08:26.731\n已經約訪了那他們有承認這個事情嗎還沒說因為一個禮拜所以約他然後跟他約時間說什麼時候可以來已經約了但他還沒有來還沒來有在進行中那跟委員說因為我們畢竟行政調查權並不是司法權也不是自行的法務的權利部長\n\n08:44.138 --> 09:11.908\n文化部其實沒有...你剛剛答詢喔本席也給你很多時間來回答那一樣就是說你講到說現在的台灣像我們中華民國我們法治社會我們沒有辦法想像說有人會做這個言語調查思想調查那一樣的道理你覺得這樣的一個狀況因為上禮拜平面媒體他指正立立啊大動作但是我們真的去看裡面有寫哪一家電視台嗎沒有他就寫沒有寫哪一家電視台只有影社\n\n09:12.881 --> 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包括電影 包括電視 還有文學等等也變了一百億用 四年來用所以作為一個文化部長我唯一能做就是我們預祝更多的資源協助他們能夠把這個整個內容產業抬起來但是西院的凋零的確不是一天的事情"},{"start":755.825,"end":756.425,"text":"主持人李遠列席"},{"start":776.693,"end":776.713,"text":"韓國瑜議員"},{"start":796.763,"end":819.841,"text":"部長我覺得這是一個大問題本期只是提出一個點因為過去到現在我也都在這邊很關心我們的不管是影視產業或是國片的相關的發展但我只提醒兩個點第一過去有人感嘆說前幾任部長對於文化的重視其實追根究柢到最後都只剩傻錢業界雖然高興但是影視文化難以紮根這個是媒體報導對於過去幾任部長的一個講法"},{"start":824.184,"end":844.278,"text":"所以剛剛雖然聽到你有講說有兩個計畫但是本期還是要強調除了這個資源投入以外更重要的是要做什麼那還有第二個部分商業影片戲劇當然他們有他們各自的發展譬如說引進更新的技術環繞音響IMAX或是那個"},{"start":845.439,"end":845.839,"text":"我請部長"},{"start":875.02,"end":875.3,"text":"謝謝洪孟楷委員"}]}}}}