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00:01:55,272\n報告委員我們今年我們在6月13號的時候我們預估是今年是3.77是比主計總處的3.9是低一點因為我們看到去年的下半年其實台灣經濟的成長的積氣還蠻高的所以今年下半年相對的他成長會減緩一點點所以說你還是看好對好謝謝那副總長你請回去我請彭主委我們金管會請彭主委\n\n6\n00:01:57,346 --> 00:02:23,671\n主委您早主委您早我想我們台股近期走勢震盪那主委你對我們的前景依然你認為是樂觀還是未來會有其他的看法呢?報告委員那個其實今晚會是我們市場的主政機關我們對未來不做預期不過我們會密切觀察最近整個台灣的股市確實是走勢震盪啊\n\n7\n00:02:25,131 --> 00:02:49,384\n因為市場的波動是難免的啦我想說我們是關注於整個制度面的健全與否那金管會確實不太方便對未來的股市做預期那個彭主委啊是預期美國將降息那如何來看待目前整個降息的進度對我們整個台灣影響未來會如何你可不可以\n\n8\n00:02:50,104 --> 00:03:07,214\n市場上普遍預期美國大概會9月會降息然後其實影響未來市場的那個那個層面主要因素除了美國的利率政策以外另外就是美國的那個年底的選舉大家預期這兩個可能是最大的\n\n9\n00:03:07,714 --> 00:03:35,992\n變數對所以我想說臺灣這一波的股市的發展其實跟我們的基本面是有關剛才央行鳳才也說過我們其實上我們現在的未來的經濟成長率當然還有就是說我們在我們的經濟警測警緝對策裡面也是連續兩次的黃紅燈還就是說我們的出口也持續暢望還是有基本面的支撐所以說你對我們整個未來的景氣是看好的還是怎麼樣\n\n10\n00:03:37,185 --> 00:04:00,353\n我剛跟委員報告過金管會是會關注到整個市場的健全度我們也注意到市場的現在的反應是否是什麼原因我剛跟那個委員報告過就是我們對未來市場不做預期但是我們會審慎的注意這樣齁是主委阿根據保花中心的統計授權業投資應用與公共建設的項目從投資金額佔授權可應用資金來看\n\n11\n00:04:03,402 --> 00:04:28,033\n指佔可應用資金的百分之0.42是百分之0.42換句話說行業的資產規模持續擴大也無法有效來刺激增加這些投資公共建設的金額佔比那請問主委你認為有哪些誘因是有利於刺激並吸引保險業者來提升參與而且\n\n12\n00:04:29,373 --> 00:04:52,259\n這個公共建設的這些意願呢?是,報告委員其實受險業的資金長期投資海外有它的整個的時空環境的背景假設台美的那個利差相對是穩定匯率相對穩定的話過去這樣的投資策略其實對於受險業而言它會比較傾向於做海外的投資因為它必須解決它利差的問題所以說國內投資很少?\n\n13\n00:04:53,200 --> 00:05:07,739\n對,但是最近因為臺美利差擴大,避險成本增加,其實現在是一個好時機,因為對於受險業而言,現在投資國內,如果有岸緣的話,他們的動機會更強,因為投資海外的風險確實在加大中,所以說,\n\n14\n00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:25,538\n本國的投資應該是授權業可以去考慮是不是?所以說我們才想說其實我們應該趁這樣的機會怎麼樣擴大案源怎麼樣把保險業的錢留在台灣建設台灣也可以幫助保險業去花資金也可以幫助保險業降低經營風險\n\n15\n00:05:26,559 --> 00:05:38,563\n那你認為這些誘因是不是已經達到了成熟的目的甚至於超越國外投資相同條件的吸引力呢?比如說我們在做那個所謂的資本的那個係數的時候\n\n16\n00:05:43,024 --> 00:06:07,586\n我們確實是有做一些比較有利於這樣的一個誘因比如說我們對投資國內的公建的話我們把係數降到一個比較低的係數是希望能夠刺激我們的保險業多多考慮國內的公建當然最重要還是要有案源也是今天我們想說大家應該集社會之努力我們應該更多的案源能夠讓國內的國人不只是保險業能夠有可以投資國內\n\n17\n00:06:08,820 --> 00:06:19,246\n那你認為如果保險業者對這些投資公共建設應該是採取主動那才是是不是才能夠真正達到的目的\n\n18\n00:06:20,168 --> 00:06:20,809\n主委,媒體報導國安會上個月17號\n\n19\n00:06:40,307 --> 00:07:01,818\n召集金管會、經濟部、還有財政部、出產師等部會開會。會中金管會反映業者認為三大難題,包括沒有案源、投報率以及投資的方式。那請問主委,業者所認為的三大難題,你認為是不是全部無解?\n\n20\n00:07:02,859 --> 00:07:23,360\n其實我剛剛跟委員報告就是說這個確實有難度就是比如說我們保險業的資金它是有成本的它如果要投資的話必須有三個條件第一個要適合的案源這個案源它的報酬條件也要適合這是第二個第三個是它的方式是用什麼方式直接還是間接還是透過各種的工具我想這些都是我們要努力的\n\n21\n00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:31,853\n不過我覺得這件事情確實是現在是一個好的機會因為現在我剛才講整個大環境有利於保險業更加大對國內的投資所以你認為這個\n\n22\n00:07:36,229 --> 00:08:04,923\n到底有沒有解套的辦法?如果無解那至愛難行的癥結點到底是什麼?其實剛才講就是說其實保險業的資金主要是因為他有一定的成本所以他其實會要求要超過他的一個資金的成本比如說對保護的承諾所以我想說怎麼樣擴大這樣案源裡面能夠有一個穩定的報酬這件事情而且長期穩定跟他的負債做匹配的話我想這個我們\n\n23\n00:08:06,044 --> 00:08:06,064\n謝謝委員\n\n24\n00:08:32,858 --> 00:08:33,358\n主委,今次本席\n\n25\n00:08:51,906 --> 00:09:12,325\n回想本期第一屆擔任立委在金管會還沒有成立之前當時為鼓勵保險業將多達上千億的資金導入國內的公共建設那財政部單獨列出保險業將資金投入公共建設的項目並給予適當的風險係數作為刺激的誘因\n\n26\n00:09:16,309 --> 00:09:42,717\n那經過了20多年每隔一段時間保險業資金投入公共建設的新聞就浮上檯面彷彿看到資金導入公共建設的曙光但事實的證明多半都只是指紋樓梯響不見人下來那我請問主委在您過去多年擔任保險業界這個學者的這些觀察為何20多年來保險業\n\n27\n00:09:44,137 --> 00:10:02,231\n至今投入公共建設推動不如預期,你有什麼看法?我想報告委員,其實台灣在過去受險業遇到一個結構性的改變從2002年開始2002年開始台灣的利率大幅的快速下降一直到持續到最近才有比較多的改變這個過去這20年來\n\n28\n00:10:05,333 --> 00:10:05,613\n主委啊\n\n29\n00:10:27,984 --> 00:10:49,093\n目前有立委提出修正保險法條文打算把保險業海外投資上限由現行可應用的資金45%降到25%那我請問主委你認為修法條件海外投資上限是不是就能夠增加保險業對國內投資的籌碼來刺激保險業主要主動將資金投入國內公共建設你認為這樣可行嗎\n\n30\n00:10:56,576 --> 00:11:20,622\n只報告委員這有兩個層面第一個我剛剛報告過其實如果要投資公建剛剛我們整個的額度我們現在還有大概有3兆左右的額度其實這樣是非常非常足夠的那至於說如果真的把那個我們的國外投資比率直接從45調成25的話因為保險業的長期海外的配置都是一個長期投資如果做這樣劇烈的改變其實會產生非常非常大的這個影響\n\n31\n00:11:22,583 --> 00:11:26,010\n其實這個東西要審慎要審慎對會不會發生其他不可預期風險的可能呢?\n\n32\n00:11:30,323 --> 00:11:53,176\n這可能會對整個國內資本市場、不動產市場還有匯率都會產生重大影響最後一個議題我請教本席相信你非常的清楚保險業的資金大多來自保護需要穩定的收益率但是現實上投入公共建設新建期多為資金支出並沒有說現金流入加上缺乏\n\n33\n00:11:54,176 --> 00:12:12,549\n租稅優惠等誘因,就會影響投資公共建設的意願。主委,你說金管會希望先找到實驗型的個案,左翼小步,確定可行,讓外界看到引導受險資金留在台灣的可能性後,再來進行跨部會。\n\n34\n00:12:13,770 --> 00:12:40,696\n這個利害關係等的說服工作請問主委推動保險業投入公共建設已經這20多年來就是就你的了解面對三大難題是不是還停留在實驗型的階段現在我覺得已經開始有很大的改變了我覺得至少我們那個施政團隊對這個態度我覺得已經有很大很大的改變我覺得這是很好的契機我們過去不一樣是不是沒有\n\n35\n00:12:42,256 --> 00:13:10,308\n尤其我們現在應該更積極我覺得這是一個很好的契機這樣齁對是如果真的早有進展那是不是代表現實上推動不力的阻力是來自政府反之啊一直以來進展不大關靠實驗型的個案舊棋盤可以複製貼上你認為真的有可行性嗎呃剛剛報告委員我覺得不盡然都是剛剛政府我覺得是整個環境的因素還有業者他自己經營的考量\n\n36\n00:13:10,788 --> 00:13:10,808\n時間到\n\n37\n00:13:39,932 --> 00:13:40,234\n這位質詢請吳秉瑞吳委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1806\t14550\t謝謝主席、我們議會各列席的單位首長、各官員是不是請中央銀行的嚴副總裁請嚴副總裁委員好副總裁你好我請教因為\n27241\t29322\t臺幣繼續在貶值,那你如何看待整個臺幣的貶勢呢?\n43797\t44057\t委員會主席\n74972\t84985\t中金院、台金院公佈之經濟數據景氣互輸力有未逮,那你如何來看待未來的我們整個景氣呢?\n86318\t115272\t報告委員我們今年我們在6月13號的時候我們預估是今年是3.77是比主計總處的3.9是低一點因為我們看到去年的下半年其實台灣經濟的成長的積氣還蠻高的所以今年下半年相對的他成長會減緩一點點所以說你還是看好對好謝謝那副總長你請回去我請彭主委我們金管會請彭主委\n117346\t143671\t主委您早主委您早我想我們台股近期走勢震盪那主委你對我們的前景依然你認為是樂觀還是未來會有其他的看法呢?報告委員那個其實今晚會是我們市場的主政機關我們對未來不做預期不過我們會密切觀察最近整個台灣的股市確實是走勢震盪啊\n145131\t169384\t因為市場的波動是難免的啦我想說我們是關注於整個制度面的健全與否那金管會確實不太方便對未來的股市做預期那個彭主委啊是預期美國將降息那如何來看待目前整個降息的進度對我們整個台灣影響未來會如何你可不可以\n170104\t187214\t市場上普遍預期美國大概會9月會降息然後其實影響未來市場的那個那個層面主要因素除了美國的利率政策以外另外就是美國的那個年底的選舉大家預期這兩個可能是最大的\n187714\t215992\t變數對所以我想說臺灣這一波的股市的發展其實跟我們的基本面是有關剛才央行鳳才也說過我們其實上我們現在的未來的經濟成長率當然還有就是說我們在我們的經濟警測警緝對策裡面也是連續兩次的黃紅燈還就是說我們的出口也持續暢望還是有基本面的支撐所以說你對我們整個未來的景氣是看好的還是怎麼樣\n217185\t240353\t我剛跟委員報告過金管會是會關注到整個市場的健全度我們也注意到市場的現在的反應是否是什麼原因我剛跟那個委員報告過就是我們對未來市場不做預期但是我們會審慎的注意這樣齁是主委阿根據保花中心的統計授權業投資應用與公共建設的項目從投資金額佔授權可應用資金來看\n243402\t268033\t指佔可應用資金的百分之0.42是百分之0.42換句話說行業的資產規模持續擴大也無法有效來刺激增加這些投資公共建設的金額佔比那請問主委你認為有哪些誘因是有利於刺激並吸引保險業者來提升參與而且\n269373\t292259\t這個公共建設的這些意願呢?是,報告委員其實受險業的資金長期投資海外有它的整個的時空環境的背景假設台美的那個利差相對是穩定匯率相對穩定的話過去這樣的投資策略其實對於受險業而言它會比較傾向於做海外的投資因為它必須解決它利差的問題所以說國內投資很少?\n293200\t307739\t對,但是最近因為臺美利差擴大,避險成本增加,其實現在是一個好時機,因為對於受險業而言,現在投資國內,如果有岸緣的話,他們的動機會更強,因為投資海外的風險確實在加大中,所以說,\n308720\t325538\t本國的投資應該是授權業可以去考慮是不是?所以說我們才想說其實我們應該趁這樣的機會怎麼樣擴大案源怎麼樣把保險業的錢留在台灣建設台灣也可以幫助保險業去花資金也可以幫助保險業降低經營風險\n326559\t338563\t那你認為這些誘因是不是已經達到了成熟的目的甚至於超越國外投資相同條件的吸引力呢?比如說我們在做那個所謂的資本的那個係數的時候\n343024\t367586\t我們確實是有做一些比較有利於這樣的一個誘因比如說我們對投資國內的公建的話我們把係數降到一個比較低的係數是希望能夠刺激我們的保險業多多考慮國內的公建當然最重要還是要有案源也是今天我們想說大家應該集社會之努力我們應該更多的案源能夠讓國內的國人不只是保險業能夠有可以投資國內\n368820\t379246\t那你認為如果保險業者對這些投資公共建設應該是採取主動那才是是不是才能夠真正達到的目的\n380168\t380809\t主委,媒體報導國安會上個月17號\n400307\t421818\t召集金管會、經濟部、還有財政部、出產師等部會開會。會中金管會反映業者認為三大難題,包括沒有案源、投報率以及投資的方式。那請問主委,業者所認為的三大難題,你認為是不是全部無解?\n422859\t443360\t其實我剛剛跟委員報告就是說這個確實有難度就是比如說我們保險業的資金它是有成本的它如果要投資的話必須有三個條件第一個要適合的案源這個案源它的報酬條件也要適合這是第二個第三個是它的方式是用什麼方式直接還是間接還是透過各種的工具我想這些都是我們要努力的\n443800\t451853\t不過我覺得這件事情確實是現在是一個好的機會因為現在我剛才講整個大環境有利於保險業更加大對國內的投資所以你認為這個\n456229\t484923\t到底有沒有解套的辦法?如果無解那至愛難行的癥結點到底是什麼?其實剛才講就是說其實保險業的資金主要是因為他有一定的成本所以他其實會要求要超過他的一個資金的成本比如說對保護的承諾所以我想說怎麼樣擴大這樣案源裡面能夠有一個穩定的報酬這件事情而且長期穩定跟他的負債做匹配的話我想這個我們\n486044\t486064\t謝謝委員\n512858\t513358\t主委,今次本席\n531906\t552325\t回想本期第一屆擔任立委在金管會還沒有成立之前當時為鼓勵保險業將多達上千億的資金導入國內的公共建設那財政部單獨列出保險業將資金投入公共建設的項目並給予適當的風險係數作為刺激的誘因\n556309\t582717\t那經過了20多年每隔一段時間保險業資金投入公共建設的新聞就浮上檯面彷彿看到資金導入公共建設的曙光但事實的證明多半都只是指紋樓梯響不見人下來那我請問主委在您過去多年擔任保險業界這個學者的這些觀察為何20多年來保險業\n584137\t602231\t至今投入公共建設推動不如預期,你有什麼看法?我想報告委員,其實台灣在過去受險業遇到一個結構性的改變從2002年開始2002年開始台灣的利率大幅的快速下降一直到持續到最近才有比較多的改變這個過去這20年來\n605333\t605613\t主委啊\n627984\t649093\t目前有立委提出修正保險法條文打算把保險業海外投資上限由現行可應用的資金45%降到25%那我請問主委你認為修法條件海外投資上限是不是就能夠增加保險業對國內投資的籌碼來刺激保險業主要主動將資金投入國內公共建設你認為這樣可行嗎\n656576\t680622\t只報告委員這有兩個層面第一個我剛剛報告過其實如果要投資公建剛剛我們整個的額度我們現在還有大概有3兆左右的額度其實這樣是非常非常足夠的那至於說如果真的把那個我們的國外投資比率直接從45調成25的話因為保險業的長期海外的配置都是一個長期投資如果做這樣劇烈的改變其實會產生非常非常大的這個影響\n682583\t686010\t其實這個東西要審慎要審慎對會不會發生其他不可預期風險的可能呢?\n690323\t713176\t這可能會對整個國內資本市場、不動產市場還有匯率都會產生重大影響最後一個議題我請教本席相信你非常的清楚保險業的資金大多來自保護需要穩定的收益率但是現實上投入公共建設新建期多為資金支出並沒有說現金流入加上缺乏\n714176\t732549\t租稅優惠等誘因,就會影響投資公共建設的意願。主委,你說金管會希望先找到實驗型的個案,左翼小步,確定可行,讓外界看到引導受險資金留在台灣的可能性後,再來進行跨部會。\n733770\t760696\t這個利害關係等的說服工作請問主委推動保險業投入公共建設已經這20多年來就是就你的了解面對三大難題是不是還停留在實驗型的階段現在我覺得已經開始有很大的改變了我覺得至少我們那個施政團隊對這個態度我覺得已經有很大很大的改變我覺得這是很好的契機我們過去不一樣是不是沒有\n762256\t790308\t尤其我們現在應該更積極我覺得這是一個很好的契機這樣齁對是如果真的早有進展那是不是代表現實上推動不力的阻力是來自政府反之啊一直以來進展不大關靠實驗型的個案舊棋盤可以複製貼上你認為真的有可行性嗎呃剛剛報告委員我覺得不盡然都是剛剛政府我覺得是整個環境的因素還有業者他自己經營的考量\n790788\t790808\t時間到\n819932\t820234\t這位質詢請吳秉瑞吳委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席、我們議會各列席的單位首長、各官員是不是請中央銀行的嚴副總裁請嚴副總裁委員好副總裁你好我請教因為\n臺幣繼續在貶值,那你如何看待整個臺幣的貶勢呢?\n委員會主席\n中金院、台金院公佈之經濟數據景氣互輸力有未逮,那你如何來看待未來的我們整個景氣呢?\n報告委員我們今年我們在6月13號的時候我們預估是今年是3.77是比主計總處的3.9是低一點因為我們看到去年的下半年其實台灣經濟的成長的積氣還蠻高的所以今年下半年相對的他成長會減緩一點點所以說你還是看好對好謝謝那副總長你請回去我請彭主委我們金管會請彭主委\n主委您早主委您早我想我們台股近期走勢震盪那主委你對我們的前景依然你認為是樂觀還是未來會有其他的看法呢?報告委員那個其實今晚會是我們市場的主政機關我們對未來不做預期不過我們會密切觀察最近整個台灣的股市確實是走勢震盪啊\n因為市場的波動是難免的啦我想說我們是關注於整個制度面的健全與否那金管會確實不太方便對未來的股市做預期那個彭主委啊是預期美國將降息那如何來看待目前整個降息的進度對我們整個台灣影響未來會如何你可不可以\n市場上普遍預期美國大概會9月會降息然後其實影響未來市場的那個那個層面主要因素除了美國的利率政策以外另外就是美國的那個年底的選舉大家預期這兩個可能是最大的\n變數對所以我想說臺灣這一波的股市的發展其實跟我們的基本面是有關剛才央行鳳才也說過我們其實上我們現在的未來的經濟成長率當然還有就是說我們在我們的經濟警測警緝對策裡面也是連續兩次的黃紅燈還就是說我們的出口也持續暢望還是有基本面的支撐所以說你對我們整個未來的景氣是看好的還是怎麼樣\n我剛跟委員報告過金管會是會關注到整個市場的健全度我們也注意到市場的現在的反應是否是什麼原因我剛跟那個委員報告過就是我們對未來市場不做預期但是我們會審慎的注意這樣齁是主委阿根據保花中心的統計授權業投資應用與公共建設的項目從投資金額佔授權可應用資金來看\n指佔可應用資金的百分之0.42是百分之0.42換句話說行業的資產規模持續擴大也無法有效來刺激增加這些投資公共建設的金額佔比那請問主委你認為有哪些誘因是有利於刺激並吸引保險業者來提升參與而且\n這個公共建設的這些意願呢?是,報告委員其實受險業的資金長期投資海外有它的整個的時空環境的背景假設台美的那個利差相對是穩定匯率相對穩定的話過去這樣的投資策略其實對於受險業而言它會比較傾向於做海外的投資因為它必須解決它利差的問題所以說國內投資很少?\n對,但是最近因為臺美利差擴大,避險成本增加,其實現在是一個好時機,因為對於受險業而言,現在投資國內,如果有岸緣的話,他們的動機會更強,因為投資海外的風險確實在加大中,所以說,\n本國的投資應該是授權業可以去考慮是不是?所以說我們才想說其實我們應該趁這樣的機會怎麼樣擴大案源怎麼樣把保險業的錢留在台灣建設台灣也可以幫助保險業去花資金也可以幫助保險業降低經營風險\n那你認為這些誘因是不是已經達到了成熟的目的甚至於超越國外投資相同條件的吸引力呢?比如說我們在做那個所謂的資本的那個係數的時候\n我們確實是有做一些比較有利於這樣的一個誘因比如說我們對投資國內的公建的話我們把係數降到一個比較低的係數是希望能夠刺激我們的保險業多多考慮國內的公建當然最重要還是要有案源也是今天我們想說大家應該集社會之努力我們應該更多的案源能夠讓國內的國人不只是保險業能夠有可以投資國內\n那你認為如果保險業者對這些投資公共建設應該是採取主動那才是是不是才能夠真正達到的目的\n主委,媒體報導國安會上個月17號\n召集金管會、經濟部、還有財政部、出產師等部會開會。會中金管會反映業者認為三大難題,包括沒有案源、投報率以及投資的方式。那請問主委,業者所認為的三大難題,你認為是不是全部無解?\n其實我剛剛跟委員報告就是說這個確實有難度就是比如說我們保險業的資金它是有成本的它如果要投資的話必須有三個條件第一個要適合的案源這個案源它的報酬條件也要適合這是第二個第三個是它的方式是用什麼方式直接還是間接還是透過各種的工具我想這些都是我們要努力的\n不過我覺得這件事情確實是現在是一個好的機會因為現在我剛才講整個大環境有利於保險業更加大對國內的投資所以你認為這個\n到底有沒有解套的辦法?如果無解那至愛難行的癥結點到底是什麼?其實剛才講就是說其實保險業的資金主要是因為他有一定的成本所以他其實會要求要超過他的一個資金的成本比如說對保護的承諾所以我想說怎麼樣擴大這樣案源裡面能夠有一個穩定的報酬這件事情而且長期穩定跟他的負債做匹配的話我想這個我們\n謝謝委員\n主委,今次本席\n回想本期第一屆擔任立委在金管會還沒有成立之前當時為鼓勵保險業將多達上千億的資金導入國內的公共建設那財政部單獨列出保險業將資金投入公共建設的項目並給予適當的風險係數作為刺激的誘因\n那經過了20多年每隔一段時間保險業資金投入公共建設的新聞就浮上檯面彷彿看到資金導入公共建設的曙光但事實的證明多半都只是指紋樓梯響不見人下來那我請問主委在您過去多年擔任保險業界這個學者的這些觀察為何20多年來保險業\n至今投入公共建設推動不如預期,你有什麼看法?我想報告委員,其實台灣在過去受險業遇到一個結構性的改變從2002年開始2002年開始台灣的利率大幅的快速下降一直到持續到最近才有比較多的改變這個過去這20年來\n主委啊\n目前有立委提出修正保險法條文打算把保險業海外投資上限由現行可應用的資金45%降到25%那我請問主委你認為修法條件海外投資上限是不是就能夠增加保險業對國內投資的籌碼來刺激保險業主要主動將資金投入國內公共建設你認為這樣可行嗎\n只報告委員這有兩個層面第一個我剛剛報告過其實如果要投資公建剛剛我們整個的額度我們現在還有大概有3兆左右的額度其實這樣是非常非常足夠的那至於說如果真的把那個我們的國外投資比率直接從45調成25的話因為保險業的長期海外的配置都是一個長期投資如果做這樣劇烈的改變其實會產生非常非常大的這個影響\n其實這個東西要審慎要審慎對會不會發生其他不可預期風險的可能呢?\n這可能會對整個國內資本市場、不動產市場還有匯率都會產生重大影響最後一個議題我請教本席相信你非常的清楚保險業的資金大多來自保護需要穩定的收益率但是現實上投入公共建設新建期多為資金支出並沒有說現金流入加上缺乏\n租稅優惠等誘因,就會影響投資公共建設的意願。主委,你說金管會希望先找到實驗型的個案,左翼小步,確定可行,讓外界看到引導受險資金留在台灣的可能性後,再來進行跨部會。\n這個利害關係等的說服工作請問主委推動保險業投入公共建設已經這20多年來就是就你的了解面對三大難題是不是還停留在實驗型的階段現在我覺得已經開始有很大的改變了我覺得至少我們那個施政團隊對這個態度我覺得已經有很大很大的改變我覺得這是很好的契機我們過去不一樣是不是沒有\n尤其我們現在應該更積極我覺得這是一個很好的契機這樣齁對是如果真的早有進展那是不是代表現實上推動不力的阻力是來自政府反之啊一直以來進展不大關靠實驗型的個案舊棋盤可以複製貼上你認為真的有可行性嗎呃剛剛報告委員我覺得不盡然都是剛剛政府我覺得是整個環境的因素還有業者他自己經營的考量\n時間到\n這位質詢請吳秉瑞吳委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.806 --> 00:14.550\n謝謝主席、我們議會各列席的單位首長、各官員是不是請中央銀行的嚴副總裁請嚴副總裁委員好副總裁你好我請教因為\n\n00:27.241 --> 00:29.322\n臺幣繼續在貶值,那你如何看待整個臺幣的貶勢呢?\n\n00:43.797 --> 00:44.057\n委員會主席\n\n01:14.972 --> 01:24.985\n中金院、台金院公佈之經濟數據景氣互輸力有未逮,那你如何來看待未來的我們整個景氣呢?\n\n01:26.318 --> 01:55.272\n報告委員我們今年我們在6月13號的時候我們預估是今年是3.77是比主計總處的3.9是低一點因為我們看到去年的下半年其實台灣經濟的成長的積氣還蠻高的所以今年下半年相對的他成長會減緩一點點所以說你還是看好對好謝謝那副總長你請回去我請彭主委我們金管會請彭主委\n\n01:57.346 --> 02:23.671\n主委您早主委您早我想我們台股近期走勢震盪那主委你對我們的前景依然你認為是樂觀還是未來會有其他的看法呢?報告委員那個其實今晚會是我們市場的主政機關我們對未來不做預期不過我們會密切觀察最近整個台灣的股市確實是走勢震盪啊\n\n02:25.131 --> 02:49.384\n因為市場的波動是難免的啦我想說我們是關注於整個制度面的健全與否那金管會確實不太方便對未來的股市做預期那個彭主委啊是預期美國將降息那如何來看待目前整個降息的進度對我們整個台灣影響未來會如何你可不可以\n\n02:50.104 --> 03:07.214\n市場上普遍預期美國大概會9月會降息然後其實影響未來市場的那個那個層面主要因素除了美國的利率政策以外另外就是美國的那個年底的選舉大家預期這兩個可能是最大的\n\n03:07.714 --> 03:35.992\n變數對所以我想說臺灣這一波的股市的發展其實跟我們的基本面是有關剛才央行鳳才也說過我們其實上我們現在的未來的經濟成長率當然還有就是說我們在我們的經濟警測警緝對策裡面也是連續兩次的黃紅燈還就是說我們的出口也持續暢望還是有基本面的支撐所以說你對我們整個未來的景氣是看好的還是怎麼樣\n\n03:37.185 --> 04:00.353\n我剛跟委員報告過金管會是會關注到整個市場的健全度我們也注意到市場的現在的反應是否是什麼原因我剛跟那個委員報告過就是我們對未來市場不做預期但是我們會審慎的注意這樣齁是主委阿根據保花中心的統計授權業投資應用與公共建設的項目從投資金額佔授權可應用資金來看\n\n04:03.402 --> 04:28.033\n指佔可應用資金的百分之0.42是百分之0.42換句話說行業的資產規模持續擴大也無法有效來刺激增加這些投資公共建設的金額佔比那請問主委你認為有哪些誘因是有利於刺激並吸引保險業者來提升參與而且\n\n04:29.373 --> 04:52.259\n這個公共建設的這些意願呢?是,報告委員其實受險業的資金長期投資海外有它的整個的時空環境的背景假設台美的那個利差相對是穩定匯率相對穩定的話過去這樣的投資策略其實對於受險業而言它會比較傾向於做海外的投資因為它必須解決它利差的問題所以說國內投資很少?\n\n04:53.200 --> 05:07.739\n對,但是最近因為臺美利差擴大,避險成本增加,其實現在是一個好時機,因為對於受險業而言,現在投資國內,如果有岸緣的話,他們的動機會更強,因為投資海外的風險確實在加大中,所以說,\n\n05:08.720 --> 05:25.538\n本國的投資應該是授權業可以去考慮是不是?所以說我們才想說其實我們應該趁這樣的機會怎麼樣擴大案源怎麼樣把保險業的錢留在台灣建設台灣也可以幫助保險業去花資金也可以幫助保險業降低經營風險\n\n05:26.559 --> 05:38.563\n那你認為這些誘因是不是已經達到了成熟的目的甚至於超越國外投資相同條件的吸引力呢?比如說我們在做那個所謂的資本的那個係數的時候\n\n05:43.024 --> 06:07.586\n我們確實是有做一些比較有利於這樣的一個誘因比如說我們對投資國內的公建的話我們把係數降到一個比較低的係數是希望能夠刺激我們的保險業多多考慮國內的公建當然最重要還是要有案源也是今天我們想說大家應該集社會之努力我們應該更多的案源能夠讓國內的國人不只是保險業能夠有可以投資國內\n\n06:08.820 --> 06:19.246\n那你認為如果保險業者對這些投資公共建設應該是採取主動那才是是不是才能夠真正達到的目的\n\n06:20.168 --> 06:20.809\n主委,媒體報導國安會上個月17號\n\n06:40.307 --> 07:01.818\n召集金管會、經濟部、還有財政部、出產師等部會開會。會中金管會反映業者認為三大難題,包括沒有案源、投報率以及投資的方式。那請問主委,業者所認為的三大難題,你認為是不是全部無解?\n\n07:02.859 --> 07:23.360\n其實我剛剛跟委員報告就是說這個確實有難度就是比如說我們保險業的資金它是有成本的它如果要投資的話必須有三個條件第一個要適合的案源這個案源它的報酬條件也要適合這是第二個第三個是它的方式是用什麼方式直接還是間接還是透過各種的工具我想這些都是我們要努力的\n\n07:23.800 --> 07:31.853\n不過我覺得這件事情確實是現在是一個好的機會因為現在我剛才講整個大環境有利於保險業更加大對國內的投資所以你認為這個\n\n07:36.229 --> 08:04.923\n到底有沒有解套的辦法?如果無解那至愛難行的癥結點到底是什麼?其實剛才講就是說其實保險業的資金主要是因為他有一定的成本所以他其實會要求要超過他的一個資金的成本比如說對保護的承諾所以我想說怎麼樣擴大這樣案源裡面能夠有一個穩定的報酬這件事情而且長期穩定跟他的負債做匹配的話我想這個我們\n\n08:06.044 --> 08:06.064\n謝謝委員\n\n08:32.858 --> 08:33.358\n主委,今次本席\n\n08:51.906 --> 09:12.325\n回想本期第一屆擔任立委在金管會還沒有成立之前當時為鼓勵保險業將多達上千億的資金導入國內的公共建設那財政部單獨列出保險業將資金投入公共建設的項目並給予適當的風險係數作為刺激的誘因\n\n09:16.309 --> 09:42.717\n那經過了20多年每隔一段時間保險業資金投入公共建設的新聞就浮上檯面彷彿看到資金導入公共建設的曙光但事實的證明多半都只是指紋樓梯響不見人下來那我請問主委在您過去多年擔任保險業界這個學者的這些觀察為何20多年來保險業\n\n09:44.137 --> 10:02.231\n至今投入公共建設推動不如預期,你有什麼看法?我想報告委員,其實台灣在過去受險業遇到一個結構性的改變從2002年開始2002年開始台灣的利率大幅的快速下降一直到持續到最近才有比較多的改變這個過去這20年來\n\n10:05.333 --> 10:05.613\n主委啊\n\n10:27.984 --> 10:49.093\n目前有立委提出修正保險法條文打算把保險業海外投資上限由現行可應用的資金45%降到25%那我請問主委你認為修法條件海外投資上限是不是就能夠增加保險業對國內投資的籌碼來刺激保險業主要主動將資金投入國內公共建設你認為這樣可行嗎\n\n10:56.576 --> 11:20.622\n只報告委員這有兩個層面第一個我剛剛報告過其實如果要投資公建剛剛我們整個的額度我們現在還有大概有3兆左右的額度其實這樣是非常非常足夠的那至於說如果真的把那個我們的國外投資比率直接從45調成25的話因為保險業的長期海外的配置都是一個長期投資如果做這樣劇烈的改變其實會產生非常非常大的這個影響\n\n11:22.583 --> 11:26.010\n其實這個東西要審慎要審慎對會不會發生其他不可預期風險的可能呢?\n\n11:30.323 --> 11:53.176\n這可能會對整個國內資本市場、不動產市場還有匯率都會產生重大影響最後一個議題我請教本席相信你非常的清楚保險業的資金大多來自保護需要穩定的收益率但是現實上投入公共建設新建期多為資金支出並沒有說現金流入加上缺乏\n\n11:54.176 --> 12:12.549\n租稅優惠等誘因,就會影響投資公共建設的意願。主委,你說金管會希望先找到實驗型的個案,左翼小步,確定可行,讓外界看到引導受險資金留在台灣的可能性後,再來進行跨部會。\n\n12:13.770 --> 12:40.696\n這個利害關係等的說服工作請問主委推動保險業投入公共建設已經這20多年來就是就你的了解面對三大難題是不是還停留在實驗型的階段現在我覺得已經開始有很大的改變了我覺得至少我們那個施政團隊對這個態度我覺得已經有很大很大的改變我覺得這是很好的契機我們過去不一樣是不是沒有\n\n12:42.256 --> 13:10.308\n尤其我們現在應該更積極我覺得這是一個很好的契機這樣齁對是如果真的早有進展那是不是代表現實上推動不力的阻力是來自政府反之啊一直以來進展不大關靠實驗型的個案舊棋盤可以複製貼上你認為真的有可行性嗎呃剛剛報告委員我覺得不盡然都是剛剛政府我覺得是整個環境的因素還有業者他自己經營的考量\n\n13:10.788 --> 13:10.808\n時間到\n\n13:39.932 --> 13:40.234\n這位質詢請吳秉瑞吳委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":1.806,"end":14.55,"text":"謝謝主席、我們議會各列席的單位首長、各官員是不是請中央銀行的嚴副總裁請嚴副總裁委員好副總裁你好我請教因為"},{"start":27.241,"end":29.322,"text":"臺幣繼續在貶值,那你如何看待整個臺幣的貶勢呢?"},{"start":43.797,"end":44.057,"text":"委員會主席"},{"start":74.972,"end":84.985,"text":"中金院、台金院公佈之經濟數據景氣互輸力有未逮,那你如何來看待未來的我們整個景氣呢?"},{"start":86.318,"end":115.272,"text":"報告委員我們今年我們在6月13號的時候我們預估是今年是3.77是比主計總處的3.9是低一點因為我們看到去年的下半年其實台灣經濟的成長的積氣還蠻高的所以今年下半年相對的他成長會減緩一點點所以說你還是看好對好謝謝那副總長你請回去我請彭主委我們金管會請彭主委"},{"start":117.346,"end":143.671,"text":"主委您早主委您早我想我們台股近期走勢震盪那主委你對我們的前景依然你認為是樂觀還是未來會有其他的看法呢?報告委員那個其實今晚會是我們市場的主政機關我們對未來不做預期不過我們會密切觀察最近整個台灣的股市確實是走勢震盪啊"},{"start":145.131,"end":169.384,"text":"因為市場的波動是難免的啦我想說我們是關注於整個制度面的健全與否那金管會確實不太方便對未來的股市做預期那個彭主委啊是預期美國將降息那如何來看待目前整個降息的進度對我們整個台灣影響未來會如何你可不可以"},{"start":170.104,"end":187.214,"text":"市場上普遍預期美國大概會9月會降息然後其實影響未來市場的那個那個層面主要因素除了美國的利率政策以外另外就是美國的那個年底的選舉大家預期這兩個可能是最大的"},{"start":187.714,"end":215.992,"text":"變數對所以我想說臺灣這一波的股市的發展其實跟我們的基本面是有關剛才央行鳳才也說過我們其實上我們現在的未來的經濟成長率當然還有就是說我們在我們的經濟警測警緝對策裡面也是連續兩次的黃紅燈還就是說我們的出口也持續暢望還是有基本面的支撐所以說你對我們整個未來的景氣是看好的還是怎麼樣"},{"start":217.185,"end":240.353,"text":"我剛跟委員報告過金管會是會關注到整個市場的健全度我們也注意到市場的現在的反應是否是什麼原因我剛跟那個委員報告過就是我們對未來市場不做預期但是我們會審慎的注意這樣齁是主委阿根據保花中心的統計授權業投資應用與公共建設的項目從投資金額佔授權可應用資金來看"},{"start":243.402,"end":268.033,"text":"指佔可應用資金的百分之0.42是百分之0.42換句話說行業的資產規模持續擴大也無法有效來刺激增加這些投資公共建設的金額佔比那請問主委你認為有哪些誘因是有利於刺激並吸引保險業者來提升參與而且"},{"start":269.373,"end":292.259,"text":"這個公共建設的這些意願呢?是,報告委員其實受險業的資金長期投資海外有它的整個的時空環境的背景假設台美的那個利差相對是穩定匯率相對穩定的話過去這樣的投資策略其實對於受險業而言它會比較傾向於做海外的投資因為它必須解決它利差的問題所以說國內投資很少?"},{"start":293.2,"end":307.739,"text":"對,但是最近因為臺美利差擴大,避險成本增加,其實現在是一個好時機,因為對於受險業而言,現在投資國內,如果有岸緣的話,他們的動機會更強,因為投資海外的風險確實在加大中,所以說,"},{"start":308.72,"end":325.538,"text":"本國的投資應該是授權業可以去考慮是不是?所以說我們才想說其實我們應該趁這樣的機會怎麼樣擴大案源怎麼樣把保險業的錢留在台灣建設台灣也可以幫助保險業去花資金也可以幫助保險業降低經營風險"},{"start":326.559,"end":338.563,"text":"那你認為這些誘因是不是已經達到了成熟的目的甚至於超越國外投資相同條件的吸引力呢?比如說我們在做那個所謂的資本的那個係數的時候"},{"start":343.024,"end":367.586,"text":"我們確實是有做一些比較有利於這樣的一個誘因比如說我們對投資國內的公建的話我們把係數降到一個比較低的係數是希望能夠刺激我們的保險業多多考慮國內的公建當然最重要還是要有案源也是今天我們想說大家應該集社會之努力我們應該更多的案源能夠讓國內的國人不只是保險業能夠有可以投資國內"},{"start":368.82,"end":379.246,"text":"那你認為如果保險業者對這些投資公共建設應該是採取主動那才是是不是才能夠真正達到的目的"},{"start":380.168,"end":380.809,"text":"主委,媒體報導國安會上個月17號"},{"start":400.307,"end":421.818,"text":"召集金管會、經濟部、還有財政部、出產師等部會開會。會中金管會反映業者認為三大難題,包括沒有案源、投報率以及投資的方式。那請問主委,業者所認為的三大難題,你認為是不是全部無解?"},{"start":422.859,"end":443.36,"text":"其實我剛剛跟委員報告就是說這個確實有難度就是比如說我們保險業的資金它是有成本的它如果要投資的話必須有三個條件第一個要適合的案源這個案源它的報酬條件也要適合這是第二個第三個是它的方式是用什麼方式直接還是間接還是透過各種的工具我想這些都是我們要努力的"},{"start":443.8,"end":451.853,"text":"不過我覺得這件事情確實是現在是一個好的機會因為現在我剛才講整個大環境有利於保險業更加大對國內的投資所以你認為這個"},{"start":456.229,"end":484.923,"text":"到底有沒有解套的辦法?如果無解那至愛難行的癥結點到底是什麼?其實剛才講就是說其實保險業的資金主要是因為他有一定的成本所以他其實會要求要超過他的一個資金的成本比如說對保護的承諾所以我想說怎麼樣擴大這樣案源裡面能夠有一個穩定的報酬這件事情而且長期穩定跟他的負債做匹配的話我想這個我們"},{"start":486.044,"end":486.064,"text":"謝謝委員"},{"start":512.858,"end":513.358,"text":"主委,今次本席"},{"start":531.906,"end":552.325,"text":"回想本期第一屆擔任立委在金管會還沒有成立之前當時為鼓勵保險業將多達上千億的資金導入國內的公共建設那財政部單獨列出保險業將資金投入公共建設的項目並給予適當的風險係數作為刺激的誘因"},{"start":556.309,"end":582.717,"text":"那經過了20多年每隔一段時間保險業資金投入公共建設的新聞就浮上檯面彷彿看到資金導入公共建設的曙光但事實的證明多半都只是指紋樓梯響不見人下來那我請問主委在您過去多年擔任保險業界這個學者的這些觀察為何20多年來保險業"},{"start":584.137,"end":602.231,"text":"至今投入公共建設推動不如預期,你有什麼看法?我想報告委員,其實台灣在過去受險業遇到一個結構性的改變從2002年開始2002年開始台灣的利率大幅的快速下降一直到持續到最近才有比較多的改變這個過去這20年來"},{"start":605.333,"end":605.613,"text":"主委啊"},{"start":627.984,"end":649.093,"text":"目前有立委提出修正保險法條文打算把保險業海外投資上限由現行可應用的資金45%降到25%那我請問主委你認為修法條件海外投資上限是不是就能夠增加保險業對國內投資的籌碼來刺激保險業主要主動將資金投入國內公共建設你認為這樣可行嗎"},{"start":656.576,"end":680.622,"text":"只報告委員這有兩個層面第一個我剛剛報告過其實如果要投資公建剛剛我們整個的額度我們現在還有大概有3兆左右的額度其實這樣是非常非常足夠的那至於說如果真的把那個我們的國外投資比率直接從45調成25的話因為保險業的長期海外的配置都是一個長期投資如果做這樣劇烈的改變其實會產生非常非常大的這個影響"},{"start":682.583,"end":686.01,"text":"其實這個東西要審慎要審慎對會不會發生其他不可預期風險的可能呢?"},{"start":690.323,"end":713.176,"text":"這可能會對整個國內資本市場、不動產市場還有匯率都會產生重大影響最後一個議題我請教本席相信你非常的清楚保險業的資金大多來自保護需要穩定的收益率但是現實上投入公共建設新建期多為資金支出並沒有說現金流入加上缺乏"},{"start":714.176,"end":732.549,"text":"租稅優惠等誘因,就會影響投資公共建設的意願。主委,你說金管會希望先找到實驗型的個案,左翼小步,確定可行,讓外界看到引導受險資金留在台灣的可能性後,再來進行跨部會。"},{"start":733.77,"end":760.696,"text":"這個利害關係等的說服工作請問主委推動保險業投入公共建設已經這20多年來就是就你的了解面對三大難題是不是還停留在實驗型的階段現在我覺得已經開始有很大的改變了我覺得至少我們那個施政團隊對這個態度我覺得已經有很大很大的改變我覺得這是很好的契機我們過去不一樣是不是沒有"},{"start":762.256,"end":790.308,"text":"尤其我們現在應該更積極我覺得這是一個很好的契機這樣齁對是如果真的早有進展那是不是代表現實上推動不力的阻力是來自政府反之啊一直以來進展不大關靠實驗型的個案舊棋盤可以複製貼上你認為真的有可行性嗎呃剛剛報告委員我覺得不盡然都是剛剛政府我覺得是整個環境的因素還有業者他自己經營的考量"},{"start":790.788,"end":790.808,"text":"時間到"},{"start":819.932,"end":820.234,"text":"這位質詢請吳秉瑞吳委員"}]}}}}