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03:09.070\n要從這個同工以強迫勞動製品清單這個黑名單裡面這個這個移除的話短期是不是有困難?請問?報告員有關於這個漁工勞權的這個問題的話那漁業署一直長期持續的在進行努力那有關於這個細節的部分今年漁業署署長也曾經親自到美國去與美方作為相關的這個會談那我們請這個署長來作為一下相關的這個補充\n\n03:14.892 --> 03:39.384\n謝謝委員我們從漁業與人權整個行動計劃裡面我們有多了49個檢查人力所以我們目前大概兩年左右會對所有我們的遠洋漁船訪查過一遍那就是了解問題解決問題那美國今年二月的時候他的勞工部次長曾經到臺灣來實際了解情形那在六月的時候我也到美國去跟他們說明這些相關的努力今年六月嗎\n\n03:40.004 --> 03:57.601\n對,今年6月那美國勞工部還有這些相關的團體是相當肯定臺灣在漁業與人權方面對漁工保障的努力但是他們當然又舉出一些不足的地方包括因為人數非常的多那我們的訪查包括在國外不可能一次馬上完全做完\n\n03:57.901 --> 03:58.802\n所以美國認同這是少數個案嗎?\n\n04:23.595 --> 04:49.349\n因為我在想這個美國的這個對於勞工部他這個同工以強迫勞動製品清單其實他是應該蠻有公信力的這在國際上還是很有公信力的那去年還在提醒我們我們在調查人力跟規定的這個部族可能會形成阻礙等等那我們今年6月份有去做了一份報告所以美國是接受我們的說法嗎\n\n04:49.989 --> 04:52.590\n這是少數個案嗎?因為我們看了很多報導對於這個中國也好或是臺灣也好在國際上在遠洋漁業裡面我們算是在國際上是被抨擊的還蠻嚴重的一個國家所以這部分的話美國能夠接受我們的說法嗎?\n\n05:09.079 --> 05:10.620\n市長,您有信心就是說我們很快會從這清單裡面被移除嗎?\n\n05:35.829 --> 05:45.779\n不管怎樣我們保障外籍漁工的人權這個方向絕對不會改變我們也會持續跟業界一起來努力因為我們所擔心的就是說臺美21世紀的這個貿易倡議的談判他有特別提到美方特別提到他非常重視強迫勞動這個部分\n\n05:58.331 --> 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