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00:01:22,847\n我再問一下,過去以往以來,不管是臺灣這邊或中國這邊的,我們一般對於漁船的部分,我們大多數也是採用驅離嘛,對不對?一般是廣播驅離,這樣。廣播驅離嘛。臺灣有沒有把這個越境或到那邊來捕撈的,把它給抓回來過?這個詳細執行是在海巡的部分啦。對,我問你,\n\n5\n00:01:22,987 --> 00:01:38,381\n國安有沒有嘛?署長你所了解多不多?我所了解的有,有這樣的案例不多嘛,這個絕對是個特殊的案例通常都是驅離嘛,那如果驅離沒有辦法驅離的話他屢勸不聽的話才會做後續的動作所以即使有也是在驅離屢勸不聽狀況下才會把他給帶回嘛對不對?是所以這個是一個\n\n6\n00:01:42,304 --> 00:02:00,840\n那更何況這樣的他待會的時候我們的人已經趕過去了也在關心這樣的一些狀況了嘛所以我也認為這個都是個異常的動作啦一般來說就算就算這個還是個重疊水域就算是入侵到了你的相關的水域的話你頂多就驅離台灣多數也都是用驅離的\n\n7\n00:02:01,966 --> 00:02:16,019\n是,它有,這個在海域上作業有一定的程序。好,那現在他們已經把人給船跟人扣回去了嘛,那接下來部分的話如果就相關即使我是,好啦就算我有爭議的話一般會怎麼處理?\n\n8\n00:02:17,891 --> 00:02:35,648\n我想我們會透過陸委會這邊跟大陸這邊來瞭解情形那後續的協商的部分後續的協商當然我們希望人跟船能夠儘速釋放我的意思是說即使越獄即使由越獄到了對方的這個去作業的區域去備那個話那\n\n9\n00:02:41,034 --> 00:02:51,585\n過去台灣的漁船有發生比如說到印尼或者是到馬來西亞這些相關水域如果有被認為入侵水域又屬實的話通常是罰款\n\n10\n00:02:53,908 --> 00:03:16,742\n那罰款應該就整個人跟船就放回了嘛,對不對?是。所以我們來後續來靜待這個處理好不好?就是說光能不能罰款都具有高度的爭議,因為這是一個大家都可以作業的一個水域。是,所以我們希望中國大陸務實處理不要為難於民。就不要為難於民。那就算正常狀態下其實應該趕快把人家放回來了,因為這是在大家共同可作業的一個水域。\n\n11\n00:03:17,242 --> 00:03:45,779\n那就算就算最惡劣的狀況罰款也是都能解釋你更沒有理由把人不斷的扣下來是吧?欸是好不好盡快我希望那個整個農業部跟外交部跟相關的單位要盡快去協調溝通啦齁這個其實大家是相互克制相互尊重啦但是如果過當的一些行為的話其實會引起臺灣人民的反彈跟不滿同時間又引起國際大家對地方局勢的緊張啦是不是刻意在製造一些事端來製造兩岸的緊張關係?\n\n12\n00:03:47,200 --> 00:04:08,531\n對,所以我們希望真的不要為難漁民,因為非常的辛苦,為難漁民沒有意義,而且雙方要務實來討論解決這件問題。好,謝謝。接下來問一下,今天我們要處理這個協定的部分,我先問一下,我們現在的漁業的管理其實都符合相關的協定嘛,對不對?其實看起來因為這些,因為我們對IU本來就是強制的,我們更不可能去補貼它嘛,這是必然的嘛。是。\n\n13\n00:04:09,031 --> 00:04:32,824\n那我在問的是,這個協定通過對我們的漁業會有產生任何的一些影響嗎?嗯,跟委員報告齁,其實我們初步評估,這裡面很多相關的法規我們都已經在執行了,而且我們漁民也都遵守這些相關的法規,所以我們初步認為在第一階段這個漁業補貼的協議通過以後對我們的漁業不會造成影響。不會產生影響。是。好,OK,好,謝謝齁,來,那謝謝署長請問,接下來我請外交部次長,陳次長。\n\n14\n00:04:39,398 --> 00:04:42,807\n市長我先問一下現在我們的邦交國的關係現在狀況怎麼樣?\n\n15\n00:04:44,509 --> 00:04:45,170\n外交部內部討論、了解、調查過了嗎?\n\n16\n00:05:12,044 --> 00:05:19,069\n最近的一次外匯的這個會議裡面我們外交部理部長也都有做過很多說明了那現在這個程序在調查還在進行當中\n\n17\n00:05:42,185 --> 00:06:08,846\n比較少那裡面的部分部長有提到暫時不會做停職的調查嘛對不對這是部長說的是的所以外交部目前他會這樣那我要講的是說因為駐美大使對臺灣相當的重要那其實也是一個重要相當重要的一個詞物那這樣的一個報導其實對駐美大使對臺美的都會有相當的一些影響我們希望外交部盡速把這個做一個說明跟澄清\n\n18\n00:06:09,546 --> 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02:35.648\n我想我們會透過陸委會這邊跟大陸這邊來瞭解情形那後續的協商的部分後續的協商當然我們希望人跟船能夠儘速釋放我的意思是說即使越獄即使由越獄到了對方的這個去作業的區域去備那個話那\n\n02:41.034 --> 02:51.585\n過去台灣的漁船有發生比如說到印尼或者是到馬來西亞這些相關水域如果有被認為入侵水域又屬實的話通常是罰款\n\n02:53.908 --> 03:16.742\n那罰款應該就整個人跟船就放回了嘛,對不對?是。所以我們來後續來靜待這個處理好不好?就是說光能不能罰款都具有高度的爭議,因為這是一個大家都可以作業的一個水域。是,所以我們希望中國大陸務實處理不要為難於民。就不要為難於民。那就算正常狀態下其實應該趕快把人家放回來了,因為這是在大家共同可作業的一個水域。\n\n03:17.242 --> 03:45.779\n那就算就算最惡劣的狀況罰款也是都能解釋你更沒有理由把人不斷的扣下來是吧?欸是好不好盡快我希望那個整個農業部跟外交部跟相關的單位要盡快去協調溝通啦齁這個其實大家是相互克制相互尊重啦但是如果過當的一些行為的話其實會引起臺灣人民的反彈跟不滿同時間又引起國際大家對地方局勢的緊張啦是不是刻意在製造一些事端來製造兩岸的緊張關係?\n\n03:47.200 --> 04:08.531\n對,所以我們希望真的不要為難漁民,因為非常的辛苦,為難漁民沒有意義,而且雙方要務實來討論解決這件問題。好,謝謝。接下來問一下,今天我們要處理這個協定的部分,我先問一下,我們現在的漁業的管理其實都符合相關的協定嘛,對不對?其實看起來因為這些,因為我們對IU本來就是強制的,我們更不可能去補貼它嘛,這是必然的嘛。是。\n\n04:09.031 --> 04:32.824\n那我在問的是,這個協定通過對我們的漁業會有產生任何的一些影響嗎?嗯,跟委員報告齁,其實我們初步評估,這裡面很多相關的法規我們都已經在執行了,而且我們漁民也都遵守這些相關的法規,所以我們初步認為在第一階段這個漁業補貼的協議通過以後對我們的漁業不會造成影響。不會產生影響。是。好,OK,好,謝謝齁,來,那謝謝署長請問,接下來我請外交部次長,陳次長。\n\n04:39.398 --> 04:42.807\n市長我先問一下現在我們的邦交國的關係現在狀況怎麼樣?\n\n04:44.509 --> 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