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00:02:55,504\n所以當你選擇刊登或不刊登其實它本身確實是一種主觀上面的認定所以大家都開始質疑了為什麼有些被刊登有些沒有被刊登那我想問第一篇發文有沒有經過我們文化部的承辦人員或是你們相關內部人的審核或者同意\n\n9\n00:02:56,505 --> 00:02:57,165\n所以在發出的時候我們文化部沒有任何人看過可以確定\n\n10\n00:03:24,779 --> 00:03:44,951\n好部長但是你們在6月17號回覆給我的公文就是我過去詢問你們文化部對於我們所管轄的這些帳號社群帳號你們建立的SOP流程是什麼你們告訴我說以上我剛所上述的三種帳號包含了辦理各類獎項社群這三種發文都須經過機關內主責單位同意發布\n\n11\n00:03:53,991 --> 00:03:57,893\n部長,我的理解有錯誤嗎?好,我想請次長解釋一下\n\n12\n00:04:13,191 --> 00:04:13,831\n部長,之所以要建立SOP流程\n\n13\n00:04:40,896 --> 00:04:46,735\n就是你不能有太多的例外嘛你討論每個都是個案每個都是例外我們不需要流程啦\n\n14\n00:05:14,201 --> 00:05:16,545\n所以我們這一個流程什麼時候可以徹底的檢討?是\n\n15\n00:05:21,513 --> 00:05:25,456\n我還是要講說我認為這件事情的嚴重性因為我也去參加過我們文化部跟北流高流一起推動的記者會我們現在很大的一個任務就是要把我們台流台灣的影視音人員及產業\n\n16\n00:05:49,617 --> 00:05:49,637\n吳沛憶議員\n\n17\n00:06:07,823 --> 00:06:25,296\n這是我們的文化軟實力的其中之一演唱會它絕對不只是臺上的表演者整個團隊都非常的重要那我們這次的承辦廠商臺視也有發表一個公開的聲明其中有兩點我認為是很重要也希望文化部後續要持續來督促的\n\n18\n00:06:26,357 --> 00:06:28,160\n一是有來說明這次的影響承辦公司出了哪些技術層次的錯誤。二是台視提到了未來對於協力廠商會更加的嚴謹。\n\n19\n00:06:40,714 --> 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有請部長\n吳委員你好部長好大家都很關心我們這一屆金曲獎典禮的辦理那一天我也在現場觀賞從頭做到尾那我要坦言說因為在典禮進行的過程當中我沒有太多時間在看手機我蠻專注在欣賞表演所以直到典禮結束我們司長\n大眾對於當時巴奈在台上的發言我們的\n關網可以說是官方的臉書第一時間沒有完整的結錄其實大家有很多的質疑認為說這個是不是涉及到政治的審查那包含剛剛部長的回答以及文化部第一時間的說明我們知道說這不是經過一個內容實質審查造成的結果可是我還是要說\n我們確實有要檢討之處也許部長你還記得上一次也是在這個地方我正在跟你討論也就是我們文化部所俠館的台灣館的抄襲事件在社群平台上面的發布當時我就提醒文化部現在這個時代每一篇小編的發文都等同於文化部的新聞稿\n大眾會認為這是我們文化部的態度以及立場所以當時也請文化部去進行了盤點究竟我們有多少的社群平台帳號你們在6月17號回覆給我的公文當中來說明現在文化部所屬的社群帳號有三種一種是官方社群一種是為了推廣業務使用第三種也就是各類獎項我想就包括這次金曲獎當中\n所以我還是要問這個重點是在於流程當時我有強力的要求部長你們要去建立這個發文、審文然後刊出的這個流程我們這一次事件發生是當天晚上的9點23分PO出了第一篇文章那因為內容是揭露的因為每一個得獎人你們都是揭露發言但是因為他的發言內容有涉及到了政治\n所以當你選擇刊登或不刊登其實它本身確實是一種主觀上面的認定所以大家都開始質疑了為什麼有些被刊登有些沒有被刊登那我想問第一篇發文有沒有經過我們文化部的承辦人員或是你們相關內部人的審核或者同意\n所以在發出的時候我們文化部沒有任何人看過可以確定\n好部長但是你們在6月17號回覆給我的公文就是我過去詢問你們文化部對於我們所管轄的這些帳號社群帳號你們建立的SOP流程是什麼你們告訴我說以上我剛所上述的三種帳號包含了辦理各類獎項社群這三種發文都須經過機關內主責單位同意發布\n部長,我的理解有錯誤嗎?好,我想請次長解釋一下\n部長,之所以要建立SOP流程\n就是你不能有太多的例外嘛你討論每個都是個案每個都是例外我們不需要流程啦\n對 對\n所以我們這一個流程什麼時候可以徹底的檢討?是\n我還是要講說我認為這件事情的嚴重性因為我也去參加過我們文化部跟北流高流一起推動的記者會我們現在很大的一個任務就是要把我們台流台灣的影視音人員及產業\n吳沛憶議員\n這是我們的文化軟實力的其中之一演唱會它絕對不只是臺上的表演者整個團隊都非常的重要那我們這次的承辦廠商臺視也有發表一個公開的聲明其中有兩點我認為是很重要也希望文化部後續要持續來督促的\n一是有來說明這次的影響承辦公司出了哪些技術層次的錯誤。二是台視提到了未來對於協力廠商會更加的嚴謹。\n委員會主席\n吳沛憶議員吳沛憶議員\n這個事情其實講了很多年關鍵卡在國防部那最近國防部表達說他不堅持不堅持這個絕對不能動那就給了我們一個可以討論的空間我前面也講過對於中央紀念館最重要的是未來的到底我們要把它變成一個怎麼樣的東西可是在目前大家最關心的就是對於威權對於去\n吳沛憶\n已經被討論了很久那最近我非常積極的跟國防部已經討論了很多遍到底他們要怎麼樣改成另外一種方式在中正經常的廣場或者是考慮這些已對他們的動線觀眾的看法已經非常多次了我想雖然我們本來是轉型正義的會議是在10月份我個人希望快一點有決定然後做出一個讓大家覺得還算滿意的一個結論\n是 這個三軍是不是要取消重慶儀式這當然國防部的看法至關重要這其實文化部也無法決定但是你們主管的是整個園區啊因為現在有一種討論是說把他們移到廣場也可以來促進我們的觀光但是我想要講的是國軍是不是最適合來做文化展演推動觀光的主體呢因為最近我們國防部才在討論取消這個\n演習的劇本取消踢正部就是要進行國軍裡面的形式主義的廢除需要讓他們是朝向更有功能性的實戰來訓練所以呢在我們的文化部的兩廳院廣場裡面其實我們過去也有相當多的藝文演出也有商業合作但是它不如兩廳院內部我們是一整年檔期通通排滿的我認為我們對於這個兩廳院的廣場\n吳沛憶議員吳沛憶議員吳沛憶議員吳沛憶議員\n是,但是我要講的是整個我們園區的轉型不能只靠去移動我們這個議隊的位置我們文化部本身我知道你們最近這個關於中正紀念堂一百種想像展覽在各地在巡迴演出那個展覽我也去看過我覺得非常好因為我們園區本來就應該要更天際我們當代的都市計畫\n最後的...\n一分鐘的時間是今天我們也要關心的是文資保存那我的選區呢臺北市中正萬華區是佔了臺北市的古蹟大概有將近一半那一般我們想到說歷史古蹟哪裡最多都會以為是我們昭緯選區臺南結果呢其實一算下來其實臺北才是最多的尤其中正萬華區又佔了一半\n部長因為過去你也在臺北市文基會也服務過所以我想要有一個提議是在我們的中正區裡面因為古蹟非常的多那有非常多中央的文化場館比如說我們臺博館我們時博館那也有很多我們臺北市政府俠館的文化場館我認為這裡非常適合來推動一個國家級的藝文郎道\n例如說我們各個單位在舉辦管方的活動的時候是不是可以結合社區或是不是可以不是有單點的而是點加點可以連串連成一個一個帶狀的形成這個部分我希望我們中央文化部是不是可以跟我們地方政府臺北市文化局有更積極的討論未來可以來推動相關的合作\n響鐘\n吳沛憶委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.375 --> 00:11.237\n謝謝主席我請文化部部長好有請部長\n\n00:16.497 --> 00:22.220\n吳委員你好部長好大家都很關心我們這一屆金曲獎典禮的辦理那一天我也在現場觀賞從頭做到尾那我要坦言說因為在典禮進行的過程當中我沒有太多時間在看手機我蠻專注在欣賞表演所以直到典禮結束我們司長\n\n00:38.669 --> 00:39.790\n大眾對於當時巴奈在台上的發言我們的\n\n00:59.588 --> 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