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00:02:54,339\n作了一首歌叫做是《歷史的傷口》那我想我們沒有應該是說我們對這一次金曲獎的這樣子的一個事件引發這麼大的一個爭議我覺得文化部是不是在這個地方應該還是要再做一個更正式的對民眾的一個說明跟我們真的在跟所謂的這個協辦的單位協辦的單位台式來做一個責任的追溯這個部分是不是\n\n8\n00:02:54,639 --> 00:03:10,696\n有就是我們一個是由台市本身也對外發了一個非常清楚的過程中屬於技術上的問題第二個我們之間基於合約我們會究責而且包括說罰款等等我們都會做而且整件事情\n\n9\n00:03:11,497 --> 00:03:11,657\n主席\n\n10\n00:03:31,255 --> 00:03:47,785\n除了要周延的考慮,我覺得就是部長可以跟著承辦單位我們再做一個更正式的記者會甚至對外的一個說明這是我本席的一些意見我不曉得部長您覺得可能會比媒體私下來受訪因為不見得每個人都會看臉書\n\n11\n00:03:48,626 --> 00:03:49,467\n從當天發生到第二天越來越激烈\n\n12\n00:04:14,172 --> 00:04:14,192\n〔記者訪問〕\n\n13\n00:04:34,781 --> 00:04:36,983\n接下來有關於中國媒體疑似介入臺灣政論的節目這件事情我想到目前為止我們文化部這個地方有沒有什麼樣的一個說法\n\n14\n00:05:02,182 --> 00:05:22,287\n那之後可能要跟這個陸委會還有這個移民署我們是不是跨部會來針對這件事情所引發可能後續因為我們知道其實對岸對於台灣真的是無孔不入啦那我想呢他們也可能會從政論節目上面下手這個是絕對有可能的事情這個部分我們怎麼樣來防範呢\n\n15\n00:05:23,687 --> 00:05:32,240\n整個過程我想請因為我們去跟陸委會還有約談那個幾個對象的過程我想請王次長跟委員報告詳細一點\n\n16\n00:05:36,659 --> 00:05:50,427\n跟委員做說明目前這個案子我們就是在進行行政調查當中所以對於邀請單位以及駐台的單位都跟協同陸委會一起在進行事實內容的了解但因為到目前為止這一則事件是基於媒體的報導那這個報導並沒有指證出實質的\n\n17\n00:05:54,269 --> 00:05:54,569\n主席主席主席\n\n18\n00:06:20,157 --> 00:06:41,195\n若果有類似的例如這些是來自中國的一些記者他們來訪的目的跟他們真的從事的工作其實是不符的這個部分我們怎麼樣針對他們這些記者來做因應跟委員說明如果他的行為跟他申請的目的活動不符的話第一個當然可以廢止或者撤銷他的執照第二個當然就是請他離境\n\n19\n00:06:42,276 --> 00:06:42,376\n主席\n\n20\n00:06:54,684 --> 00:06:54,744\n臺中刑務所\n\n21\n00:07:24,684 --> 00:07:25,584\n《文化資產保存法》施行事項\n\n22\n00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,364\n這部分部長您怎麼看?\n\n23\n00:08:06,582 --> 00:08:27,708\n在《文治法》裡面人為破壞的話有103條還有106條都有相關的刑法或者行政法那目前像最近的兩個像花蓮玉里、鐵刀的宿舍還有屏東大五園區裡頭的那些縱火案件都已經移送法辦現在都在審判當中\n\n24\n00:08:30,571 --> 00:08:44,809\n我們希望這個成案之後真的能夠讓我們看到就是每年台灣幾乎都有古蹟會自然的這個現象能夠真的降低我想這個文化的保存對於台灣來講其實是非常重要的\n\n25\n00:08:47,592 --> 00:09:04,505\n前年我們2022年臺南的火車站跟鹿港的龍山寺他們陸續發生了所謂的修壞了的事件我想這個部長應該也大概清楚原本的一個窗框到後來變成一個彩繪的窗框或者是在古蹟當中的廁所\n\n26\n00:09:05,746 --> 00:09:06,186\n《文化資產保存法》\n\n27\n00:09:21,773 --> 00:09:35,806\n目前有93人是通過了這個所謂的傳統的降師的一個資格的審查但是呢真正能夠在從事這個修復的工作的人是不到三分之一的一個人力是只有299人\n\n28\n00:09:38,488 --> 00:09:38,748\n《文化資產保存法》\n\n29\n00:10:00,077 --> 00:10:00,397\n主席主席主席\n\n30\n00:10:25,606 --> 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