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\"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:04,091 --> 00:00:04,452\n請彭主委\n\n2\n00:00:23,223 --> 00:00:49,823\n我們看看透過今天的質詢會不會有更多的利多出來我先問一個簡短的提問彭主任我今天聽到你回答其他委員包括新光受險RBC達到200%或他的財務改善計畫他是低標的飛過達標那三商美邦的部分他的狀況他要求他補件那補件的時程的時間大概是什麼時候\n\n3\n00:00:51,241 --> 00:01:14,443\n現在就是剛才局長有說明過新光的他的改善計畫應該是我們認為可行所以我們大概合理可行就是達標不是就是說他的計畫可行就是說我們會請他按照他的計畫執行就同意他的改善計畫那三商的部分因為他提的改善計畫裡面我們覺得有些需要釐清比如說剛才局長也說了\n\n4\n00:01:15,023 --> 00:01:15,163\n主席\n\n5\n00:01:33,255 --> 00:01:44,738\n委員長,你只要回答我時間點,因為我知道這個也需要時間,你只要告訴我什麼時間點。我們大概會再給他一兩個月時間,叫他好好地再重新評估。一個月,就是下個會期開議前?應該是差不多,九月份,八月底、九月初。\n\n6\n00:01:53,365 --> 00:02:17,608\n差不多那個時間應該會再提來好,那我知道答案了,好謝謝接下來我就直接進入我的正題我要請問主委,就是說4月17號當時的黃天母黃主委提出TWICS第三階段在地化跟過渡性的相關的措施主委你已經上任一個多月就是針對於我們目前第三階段包括\n\n7\n00:02:18,609 --> 00:02:18,669\n主席\n\n8\n00:02:38,900 --> 00:03:03,629\n是,跟委員報告一下就是說我在前幾次的包括第一次的業務報告裡面就說到了其實接軌是一個讓台灣受險業走向更好資本結構的一個方法所以我們過去在黃主委時代已經推出了三階段的調適措施三項的調適措施那距離正式的我們\n\n9\n00:03:05,330 --> 00:03:06,975\n要接軌時間2026年開始,我們還有一年半左右的時間。我們會在\n\n10\n00:03:13,635 --> 00:03:23,159\n再檢視一次我們會有第四階段的調適你會有第四階段?好那具體的方向是什麼?或者做法是什麼?那時間提出來時間點是什麼時候?具體的方向因為現在我們都要經過試算跟協調但是呢我們有一些方向但現在還不成熟我們就要還是不能講那什麼時候會出來?大概的方向是什麼?你不要講得很具體但是籠統的你可以說明的也讓大家知道嘛\n\n11\n00:03:41,366 --> 00:03:58,707\n大概方向有兩點其實所謂接軌的條式大概分兩個這個方向一個是叫做在地化在地化就是說比如說IAIS的ICS裡面它對於各種的比如說風險的評估它有一個標準法\n\n12\n00:03:59,187 --> 00:04:00,647\n邀請中央銀行、國家發展委員會．加速建設之推動．加速建設之推動\n\n13\n00:04:22,773 --> 00:04:25,115\n二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17\n\n14\n00:04:41,067 --> 00:04:59,262\n前面都會繼續的保留我知道,就是這兩點你會增加就我們還會考慮到讓我們整個時間點對,要能更適合台灣所以我想在地化,比如說我們的股票係數還有像比如說我們很多對於公建這些係數甚至我們還有很多的這些的\n\n15\n00:05:00,043 --> 00:05:00,183\n委員會主席\n\n16\n00:05:18,324 --> 00:05:26,810\n主委具體的方向大概是什麼時候具體會提出來?我們下個會期9月份我的預計應該是在11月以前或12月以前應該會公佈這部分12月底以前,今年底之前會公佈?對,一定會給業者一個充分的調整時間\n\n17\n00:05:38,459 --> 00:06:00,738\n因為我今天其實還有另外一個主要的題目局長你可以請回台灣現在有戲盾所謂的科技盾更要有金融盾剛才我提到就是說如果有機會股市佔滿兩萬五千點其實更重要的是主委你一直在提的我們亞洲資產管理中心台灣如果有更好的公建的這個投資標的的話那都是對台灣來說\n\n18\n00:06:05,062 --> 00:06:28,839\n暫穩我們的金融盾是一個更好的方向對整個台灣的財務各方面的管理其實都會更好今天其實我們在討論說保險業如何把海外資金投回台灣看起來好像保險業資金非常充足事實上只講對了一半我想主委你非常清楚其實保險業它也面臨它要對保護有一定的資產的承諾\n\n19\n00:06:30,140 --> 00:06:32,102\n主委,你認為台灣的保險業到底缺不缺錢?它資金的缺口到底有多少?\n\n20\n00:06:51,677 --> 00:07:16,742\n報告委員這應該有兩個叫資金一個叫資本那我想我們講ICS大家最在意是資本的缺口就是那資金其實我覺得那資本的缺口到底有多少那保險業是不缺資金因為他每年的保費收入因為保險業長期保費那他資本的缺口是多少資本的缺口我剛才講過就是說我們如果要過渡的話我們現在比如說我們現在還是適用舊制的話RBC制度非常明確各家公司都知道\n\n21\n00:07:17,182 --> 00:07:32,150\n對,但是現在就是為了要跟IFRS17接軌嘛,所以我們資金的缺口到底有多少?對,所以說現在來看的話,因為現在RBC的這個各家公司應該都非常清楚,我們比如說要滿足200%的這個係數,剛剛委員關切的…要跟IFRS17接軌,2026我們的受險業的資金的這個到底…\n\n22\n00:07:41,074 --> 00:08:07,404\n資本缺口到底有多少?這個跟委員報告就是說我們為什麼在今年年底之前要定案我們第四階段的這樣的一個這個部分就是要先讓大家確認未來在接軌日的時候你未來長期過渡的目標這件事情現在還沒有定案之前是沒有辦法有個明確的數字再來就是因為各家的條件不同\n\n23\n00:08:08,664 --> 00:08:31,884\n主委,因為我後面的題目還沒出來,其實從媒體上的看到,我們無論是為了要跟IFRS7接軌,我們的受險業資金缺口將近有一兆元,這個對他們來說其實非常關鍵重要,對他們來說其實他們也都非常關注這件事情,所以去年我們金管會才會有提出我們發行這個SPV,\n\n24\n00:08:34,866 --> 00:08:48,132\n協助我們的業者有多元的投資的管道當然受請業者今年也為了接軌所以他們也發行很多的債券包括國泰人壽、南山富邦、星光看我這個表格就非常清楚國泰人壽這個發行債券到500億就非常多\n\n25\n00:08:53,914 --> 00:09:05,698\n這個部分其實包括星光也發行了80元的債券那特別有關注到SPV就是我們在新加坡發行SPV國泰人壽在6月27號發行了6億元的債券但是超額認購約3倍\n\n26\n00:09:10,379 --> 00:09:19,587\n也就是說這幾件這件事情也引起了其他受險業者要要遇事所以為了跟2026接軌包括競選他們財務計劃大家都跑到海外去發行債券這件事情\n\n27\n00:09:26,093 --> 00:09:45,952\n主委,我相信你心裡一定有想法,如果這些海外債券可以回到台灣來發行,是不是更好?但是關鍵是,外資到台灣來投資的話,它要扣15%的稅,那這個事情怎麼克服?這就影響到你未來能不能在台灣成立亞洲資產管理中心?\n\n28\n00:09:48,215 --> 00:10:10,563\n後續到底怎麼做?主委你的想法是什麼?做法到底是什麼?你有沒有做法?我們希望受險業強化資本方法就來自於比如說現金的資本另外一個就是我們類似次順位的這些債券就是我們可能第一類或第二類的這些對,第二類的資本投資\n\n29\n00:10:11,503 --> 00:10:31,824\n對那當然國內的其實上他有未納是有限比如說他這些購買的對象我們也開放了海外的因為對於我們資本或是對但是這些海外的他如果可以放在台灣然後我們可以不要扣他稅我們有沒有其他的做法你有沒有想法這個當然就是說\n\n30\n00:10:32,825 --> 00:11:00,241\n多元化的籌資我們當然都是反制強化你要人家錢放在台灣外資錢留在台灣最大的就是最具體的方法就是我們現在扣15%的稅我們如何不要扣那麼多或甚至是他可以接受的那這個當然牽涉到跨部會譬如說財政部但是我覺得還有一個方法我可以提供主委就是我們現在有國際保險業務再給我一分鐘我們有國際保險業務如何把\n\n31\n00:11:01,081 --> 00:11:16,891\n海外的債券投資把它納入OIU我覺得這是一個思考的模式跟方法主委你同意我的說法嗎我可以來研究這件事情對那這個研究其實就牽涉到莊部長對對不對那部長來部長你請上來請莊部長簡單回答謝謝\n\n32\n00:11:21,761 --> 00:11:37,586\n簡單回答因為現在我們國泰到新加坡去發行我們也一樣收不到稅啊但是我們如果把OIU把阿嬤進來的話讓這些海外發行的債券回到台灣發行的話\n\n33\n00:11:38,766 --> 00:12:04,640\n我覺得對於整個售銜業錢留在臺灣那是個利多我們或許不要收到15%收個2%、3%你還是有增加稅收啊部長你了解我的意思嗎?了解您說的是是是所以要成就主委的亞洲金融資產管理中心我們要有科技盾我們要有系盾我們更要有金融盾\n\n34\n00:12:06,869 --> 00:12:29,375\n這個關鍵就在兩位身上如果主委同意我的想法是你的工具之一你可能有工具之二、之三你慢慢來研究這是你的專業但是這個部分就要部長支持部長同意研究朝這樣方向來思考嗎我想這個部分可能我們經過金管會有個具體的一個想法以後我們再來做討論是\n\n35\n00:12:31,642 --> 00:12:45,127\n會支持嗎?會支持亞洲資產管理中心嗎?你會不會支持台灣成為亞洲資產管理中心之一?這個當然是支持那相關的配合的配套你就要多支持彭主委謝謝現在請黃珊珊、黃偉文質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4091\t4452\t請彭主委\n23223\t49823\t我們看看透過今天的質詢會不會有更多的利多出來我先問一個簡短的提問彭主任我今天聽到你回答其他委員包括新光受險RBC達到200%或他的財務改善計畫他是低標的飛過達標那三商美邦的部分他的狀況他要求他補件那補件的時程的時間大概是什麼時候\n51241\t74443\t現在就是剛才局長有說明過新光的他的改善計畫應該是我們認為可行所以我們大概合理可行就是達標不是就是說他的計畫可行就是說我們會請他按照他的計畫執行就同意他的改善計畫那三商的部分因為他提的改善計畫裡面我們覺得有些需要釐清比如說剛才局長也說了\n75023\t75163\t主席\n93255\t104738\t委員長,你只要回答我時間點,因為我知道這個也需要時間,你只要告訴我什麼時間點。我們大概會再給他一兩個月時間,叫他好好地再重新評估。一個月,就是下個會期開議前?應該是差不多,九月份,八月底、九月初。\n113365\t137608\t差不多那個時間應該會再提來好,那我知道答案了,好謝謝接下來我就直接進入我的正題我要請問主委,就是說4月17號當時的黃天母黃主委提出TWICS第三階段在地化跟過渡性的相關的措施主委你已經上任一個多月就是針對於我們目前第三階段包括\n138609\t138669\t主席\n158900\t183629\t是,跟委員報告一下就是說我在前幾次的包括第一次的業務報告裡面就說到了其實接軌是一個讓台灣受險業走向更好資本結構的一個方法所以我們過去在黃主委時代已經推出了三階段的調適措施三項的調適措施那距離正式的我們\n185330\t186975\t要接軌時間2026年開始,我們還有一年半左右的時間。我們會在\n193635\t203159\t再檢視一次我們會有第四階段的調適你會有第四階段?好那具體的方向是什麼?或者做法是什麼?那時間提出來時間點是什麼時候?具體的方向因為現在我們都要經過試算跟協調但是呢我們有一些方向但現在還不成熟我們就要還是不能講那什麼時候會出來?大概的方向是什麼?你不要講得很具體但是籠統的你可以說明的也讓大家知道嘛\n221366\t238707\t大概方向有兩點其實所謂接軌的條式大概分兩個這個方向一個是叫做在地化在地化就是說比如說IAIS的ICS裡面它對於各種的比如說風險的評估它有一個標準法\n239187\t240647\t邀請中央銀行、國家發展委員會．加速建設之推動．加速建設之推動\n262773\t265115\t二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17\n281067\t299262\t前面都會繼續的保留我知道,就是這兩點你會增加就我們還會考慮到讓我們整個時間點對,要能更適合台灣所以我想在地化,比如說我們的股票係數還有像比如說我們很多對於公建這些係數甚至我們還有很多的這些的\n300043\t300183\t委員會主席\n318324\t326810\t主委具體的方向大概是什麼時候具體會提出來?我們下個會期9月份我的預計應該是在11月以前或12月以前應該會公佈這部分12月底以前,今年底之前會公佈?對,一定會給業者一個充分的調整時間\n338459\t360738\t因為我今天其實還有另外一個主要的題目局長你可以請回台灣現在有戲盾所謂的科技盾更要有金融盾剛才我提到就是說如果有機會股市佔滿兩萬五千點其實更重要的是主委你一直在提的我們亞洲資產管理中心台灣如果有更好的公建的這個投資標的的話那都是對台灣來說\n365062\t388839\t暫穩我們的金融盾是一個更好的方向對整個台灣的財務各方面的管理其實都會更好今天其實我們在討論說保險業如何把海外資金投回台灣看起來好像保險業資金非常充足事實上只講對了一半我想主委你非常清楚其實保險業它也面臨它要對保護有一定的資產的承諾\n390140\t392102\t主委,你認為台灣的保險業到底缺不缺錢?它資金的缺口到底有多少?\n411677\t436742\t報告委員這應該有兩個叫資金一個叫資本那我想我們講ICS大家最在意是資本的缺口就是那資金其實我覺得那資本的缺口到底有多少那保險業是不缺資金因為他每年的保費收入因為保險業長期保費那他資本的缺口是多少資本的缺口我剛才講過就是說我們如果要過渡的話我們現在比如說我們現在還是適用舊制的話RBC制度非常明確各家公司都知道\n437182\t452150\t對,但是現在就是為了要跟IFRS17接軌嘛,所以我們資金的缺口到底有多少?對,所以說現在來看的話,因為現在RBC的這個各家公司應該都非常清楚,我們比如說要滿足200%的這個係數,剛剛委員關切的…要跟IFRS17接軌,2026我們的受險業的資金的這個到底…\n461074\t487404\t資本缺口到底有多少?這個跟委員報告就是說我們為什麼在今年年底之前要定案我們第四階段的這樣的一個這個部分就是要先讓大家確認未來在接軌日的時候你未來長期過渡的目標這件事情現在還沒有定案之前是沒有辦法有個明確的數字再來就是因為各家的條件不同\n488664\t511884\t主委,因為我後面的題目還沒出來,其實從媒體上的看到,我們無論是為了要跟IFRS7接軌,我們的受險業資金缺口將近有一兆元,這個對他們來說其實非常關鍵重要,對他們來說其實他們也都非常關注這件事情,所以去年我們金管會才會有提出我們發行這個SPV,\n514866\t528132\t協助我們的業者有多元的投資的管道當然受請業者今年也為了接軌所以他們也發行很多的債券包括國泰人壽、南山富邦、星光看我這個表格就非常清楚國泰人壽這個發行債券到500億就非常多\n533914\t545698\t這個部分其實包括星光也發行了80元的債券那特別有關注到SPV就是我們在新加坡發行SPV國泰人壽在6月27號發行了6億元的債券但是超額認購約3倍\n550379\t559587\t也就是說這幾件這件事情也引起了其他受險業者要要遇事所以為了跟2026接軌包括競選他們財務計劃大家都跑到海外去發行債券這件事情\n566093\t585952\t主委,我相信你心裡一定有想法,如果這些海外債券可以回到台灣來發行,是不是更好?但是關鍵是,外資到台灣來投資的話,它要扣15%的稅,那這個事情怎麼克服?這就影響到你未來能不能在台灣成立亞洲資產管理中心?\n588215\t610563\t後續到底怎麼做?主委你的想法是什麼?做法到底是什麼?你有沒有做法?我們希望受險業強化資本方法就來自於比如說現金的資本另外一個就是我們類似次順位的這些債券就是我們可能第一類或第二類的這些對,第二類的資本投資\n611503\t631824\t對那當然國內的其實上他有未納是有限比如說他這些購買的對象我們也開放了海外的因為對於我們資本或是對但是這些海外的他如果可以放在台灣然後我們可以不要扣他稅我們有沒有其他的做法你有沒有想法這個當然就是說\n632825\t660241\t多元化的籌資我們當然都是反制強化你要人家錢放在台灣外資錢留在台灣最大的就是最具體的方法就是我們現在扣15%的稅我們如何不要扣那麼多或甚至是他可以接受的那這個當然牽涉到跨部會譬如說財政部但是我覺得還有一個方法我可以提供主委就是我們現在有國際保險業務再給我一分鐘我們有國際保險業務如何把\n661081\t676891\t海外的債券投資把它納入OIU我覺得這是一個思考的模式跟方法主委你同意我的說法嗎我可以來研究這件事情對那這個研究其實就牽涉到莊部長對對不對那部長來部長你請上來請莊部長簡單回答謝謝\n681761\t697586\t簡單回答因為現在我們國泰到新加坡去發行我們也一樣收不到稅啊但是我們如果把OIU把阿嬤進來的話讓這些海外發行的債券回到台灣發行的話\n698766\t724640\t我覺得對於整個售銜業錢留在臺灣那是個利多我們或許不要收到15%收個2%、3%你還是有增加稅收啊部長你了解我的意思嗎?了解您說的是是是所以要成就主委的亞洲金融資產管理中心我們要有科技盾我們要有系盾我們更要有金融盾\n726869\t749375\t這個關鍵就在兩位身上如果主委同意我的想法是你的工具之一你可能有工具之二、之三你慢慢來研究這是你的專業但是這個部分就要部長支持部長同意研究朝這樣方向來思考嗎我想這個部分可能我們經過金管會有個具體的一個想法以後我們再來做討論是\n751642\t765127\t會支持嗎?會支持亞洲資產管理中心嗎?你會不會支持台灣成為亞洲資產管理中心之一?這個當然是支持那相關的配合的配套你就要多支持彭主委謝謝現在請黃珊珊、黃偉文質詢\n","txt":"請彭主委\n我們看看透過今天的質詢會不會有更多的利多出來我先問一個簡短的提問彭主任我今天聽到你回答其他委員包括新光受險RBC達到200%或他的財務改善計畫他是低標的飛過達標那三商美邦的部分他的狀況他要求他補件那補件的時程的時間大概是什麼時候\n現在就是剛才局長有說明過新光的他的改善計畫應該是我們認為可行所以我們大概合理可行就是達標不是就是說他的計畫可行就是說我們會請他按照他的計畫執行就同意他的改善計畫那三商的部分因為他提的改善計畫裡面我們覺得有些需要釐清比如說剛才局長也說了\n主席\n委員長,你只要回答我時間點,因為我知道這個也需要時間,你只要告訴我什麼時間點。我們大概會再給他一兩個月時間,叫他好好地再重新評估。一個月,就是下個會期開議前?應該是差不多,九月份,八月底、九月初。\n差不多那個時間應該會再提來好,那我知道答案了,好謝謝接下來我就直接進入我的正題我要請問主委,就是說4月17號當時的黃天母黃主委提出TWICS第三階段在地化跟過渡性的相關的措施主委你已經上任一個多月就是針對於我們目前第三階段包括\n主席\n是,跟委員報告一下就是說我在前幾次的包括第一次的業務報告裡面就說到了其實接軌是一個讓台灣受險業走向更好資本結構的一個方法所以我們過去在黃主委時代已經推出了三階段的調適措施三項的調適措施那距離正式的我們\n要接軌時間2026年開始,我們還有一年半左右的時間。我們會在\n再檢視一次我們會有第四階段的調適你會有第四階段?好那具體的方向是什麼?或者做法是什麼?那時間提出來時間點是什麼時候?具體的方向因為現在我們都要經過試算跟協調但是呢我們有一些方向但現在還不成熟我們就要還是不能講那什麼時候會出來?大概的方向是什麼?你不要講得很具體但是籠統的你可以說明的也讓大家知道嘛\n大概方向有兩點其實所謂接軌的條式大概分兩個這個方向一個是叫做在地化在地化就是說比如說IAIS的ICS裡面它對於各種的比如說風險的評估它有一個標準法\n邀請中央銀行、國家發展委員會．加速建設之推動．加速建設之推動\n二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17\n前面都會繼續的保留我知道,就是這兩點你會增加就我們還會考慮到讓我們整個時間點對,要能更適合台灣所以我想在地化,比如說我們的股票係數還有像比如說我們很多對於公建這些係數甚至我們還有很多的這些的\n委員會主席\n主委具體的方向大概是什麼時候具體會提出來?我們下個會期9月份我的預計應該是在11月以前或12月以前應該會公佈這部分12月底以前,今年底之前會公佈?對,一定會給業者一個充分的調整時間\n因為我今天其實還有另外一個主要的題目局長你可以請回台灣現在有戲盾所謂的科技盾更要有金融盾剛才我提到就是說如果有機會股市佔滿兩萬五千點其實更重要的是主委你一直在提的我們亞洲資產管理中心台灣如果有更好的公建的這個投資標的的話那都是對台灣來說\n暫穩我們的金融盾是一個更好的方向對整個台灣的財務各方面的管理其實都會更好今天其實我們在討論說保險業如何把海外資金投回台灣看起來好像保險業資金非常充足事實上只講對了一半我想主委你非常清楚其實保險業它也面臨它要對保護有一定的資產的承諾\n主委,你認為台灣的保險業到底缺不缺錢?它資金的缺口到底有多少?\n報告委員這應該有兩個叫資金一個叫資本那我想我們講ICS大家最在意是資本的缺口就是那資金其實我覺得那資本的缺口到底有多少那保險業是不缺資金因為他每年的保費收入因為保險業長期保費那他資本的缺口是多少資本的缺口我剛才講過就是說我們如果要過渡的話我們現在比如說我們現在還是適用舊制的話RBC制度非常明確各家公司都知道\n對,但是現在就是為了要跟IFRS17接軌嘛,所以我們資金的缺口到底有多少?對,所以說現在來看的話,因為現在RBC的這個各家公司應該都非常清楚,我們比如說要滿足200%的這個係數,剛剛委員關切的…要跟IFRS17接軌,2026我們的受險業的資金的這個到底…\n資本缺口到底有多少?這個跟委員報告就是說我們為什麼在今年年底之前要定案我們第四階段的這樣的一個這個部分就是要先讓大家確認未來在接軌日的時候你未來長期過渡的目標這件事情現在還沒有定案之前是沒有辦法有個明確的數字再來就是因為各家的條件不同\n主委,因為我後面的題目還沒出來,其實從媒體上的看到,我們無論是為了要跟IFRS7接軌,我們的受險業資金缺口將近有一兆元,這個對他們來說其實非常關鍵重要,對他們來說其實他們也都非常關注這件事情,所以去年我們金管會才會有提出我們發行這個SPV,\n協助我們的業者有多元的投資的管道當然受請業者今年也為了接軌所以他們也發行很多的債券包括國泰人壽、南山富邦、星光看我這個表格就非常清楚國泰人壽這個發行債券到500億就非常多\n這個部分其實包括星光也發行了80元的債券那特別有關注到SPV就是我們在新加坡發行SPV國泰人壽在6月27號發行了6億元的債券但是超額認購約3倍\n也就是說這幾件這件事情也引起了其他受險業者要要遇事所以為了跟2026接軌包括競選他們財務計劃大家都跑到海外去發行債券這件事情\n主委,我相信你心裡一定有想法,如果這些海外債券可以回到台灣來發行,是不是更好?但是關鍵是,外資到台灣來投資的話,它要扣15%的稅,那這個事情怎麼克服?這就影響到你未來能不能在台灣成立亞洲資產管理中心?\n後續到底怎麼做?主委你的想法是什麼?做法到底是什麼?你有沒有做法?我們希望受險業強化資本方法就來自於比如說現金的資本另外一個就是我們類似次順位的這些債券就是我們可能第一類或第二類的這些對,第二類的資本投資\n對那當然國內的其實上他有未納是有限比如說他這些購買的對象我們也開放了海外的因為對於我們資本或是對但是這些海外的他如果可以放在台灣然後我們可以不要扣他稅我們有沒有其他的做法你有沒有想法這個當然就是說\n多元化的籌資我們當然都是反制強化你要人家錢放在台灣外資錢留在台灣最大的就是最具體的方法就是我們現在扣15%的稅我們如何不要扣那麼多或甚至是他可以接受的那這個當然牽涉到跨部會譬如說財政部但是我覺得還有一個方法我可以提供主委就是我們現在有國際保險業務再給我一分鐘我們有國際保險業務如何把\n海外的債券投資把它納入OIU我覺得這是一個思考的模式跟方法主委你同意我的說法嗎我可以來研究這件事情對那這個研究其實就牽涉到莊部長對對不對那部長來部長你請上來請莊部長簡單回答謝謝\n簡單回答因為現在我們國泰到新加坡去發行我們也一樣收不到稅啊但是我們如果把OIU把阿嬤進來的話讓這些海外發行的債券回到台灣發行的話\n我覺得對於整個售銜業錢留在臺灣那是個利多我們或許不要收到15%收個2%、3%你還是有增加稅收啊部長你了解我的意思嗎?了解您說的是是是所以要成就主委的亞洲金融資產管理中心我們要有科技盾我們要有系盾我們更要有金融盾\n這個關鍵就在兩位身上如果主委同意我的想法是你的工具之一你可能有工具之二、之三你慢慢來研究這是你的專業但是這個部分就要部長支持部長同意研究朝這樣方向來思考嗎我想這個部分可能我們經過金管會有個具體的一個想法以後我們再來做討論是\n會支持嗎?會支持亞洲資產管理中心嗎?你會不會支持台灣成為亞洲資產管理中心之一?這個當然是支持那相關的配合的配套你就要多支持彭主委謝謝現在請黃珊珊、黃偉文質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.091 --> 00:04.452\n請彭主委\n\n00:23.223 --> 00:49.823\n我們看看透過今天的質詢會不會有更多的利多出來我先問一個簡短的提問彭主任我今天聽到你回答其他委員包括新光受險RBC達到200%或他的財務改善計畫他是低標的飛過達標那三商美邦的部分他的狀況他要求他補件那補件的時程的時間大概是什麼時候\n\n00:51.241 --> 01:14.443\n現在就是剛才局長有說明過新光的他的改善計畫應該是我們認為可行所以我們大概合理可行就是達標不是就是說他的計畫可行就是說我們會請他按照他的計畫執行就同意他的改善計畫那三商的部分因為他提的改善計畫裡面我們覺得有些需要釐清比如說剛才局長也說了\n\n01:15.023 --> 01:15.163\n主席\n\n01:33.255 --> 01:44.738\n委員長,你只要回答我時間點,因為我知道這個也需要時間,你只要告訴我什麼時間點。我們大概會再給他一兩個月時間,叫他好好地再重新評估。一個月,就是下個會期開議前?應該是差不多,九月份,八月底、九月初。\n\n01:53.365 --> 02:17.608\n差不多那個時間應該會再提來好,那我知道答案了,好謝謝接下來我就直接進入我的正題我要請問主委,就是說4月17號當時的黃天母黃主委提出TWICS第三階段在地化跟過渡性的相關的措施主委你已經上任一個多月就是針對於我們目前第三階段包括\n\n02:18.609 --> 02:18.669\n主席\n\n02:38.900 --> 03:03.629\n是,跟委員報告一下就是說我在前幾次的包括第一次的業務報告裡面就說到了其實接軌是一個讓台灣受險業走向更好資本結構的一個方法所以我們過去在黃主委時代已經推出了三階段的調適措施三項的調適措施那距離正式的我們\n\n03:05.330 --> 03:06.975\n要接軌時間2026年開始,我們還有一年半左右的時間。我們會在\n\n03:13.635 --> 03:23.159\n再檢視一次我們會有第四階段的調適你會有第四階段?好那具體的方向是什麼?或者做法是什麼?那時間提出來時間點是什麼時候?具體的方向因為現在我們都要經過試算跟協調但是呢我們有一些方向但現在還不成熟我們就要還是不能講那什麼時候會出來?大概的方向是什麼?你不要講得很具體但是籠統的你可以說明的也讓大家知道嘛\n\n03:41.366 --> 03:58.707\n大概方向有兩點其實所謂接軌的條式大概分兩個這個方向一個是叫做在地化在地化就是說比如說IAIS的ICS裡面它對於各種的比如說風險的評估它有一個標準法\n\n03:59.187 --> 04:00.647\n邀請中央銀行、國家發展委員會．加速建設之推動．加速建設之推動\n\n04:22.773 --> 04:25.115\n二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17\n\n04:41.067 --> 04:59.262\n前面都會繼續的保留我知道,就是這兩點你會增加就我們還會考慮到讓我們整個時間點對,要能更適合台灣所以我想在地化,比如說我們的股票係數還有像比如說我們很多對於公建這些係數甚至我們還有很多的這些的\n\n05:00.043 --> 05:00.183\n委員會主席\n\n05:18.324 --> 05:26.810\n主委具體的方向大概是什麼時候具體會提出來?我們下個會期9月份我的預計應該是在11月以前或12月以前應該會公佈這部分12月底以前,今年底之前會公佈?對,一定會給業者一個充分的調整時間\n\n05:38.459 --> 06:00.738\n因為我今天其實還有另外一個主要的題目局長你可以請回台灣現在有戲盾所謂的科技盾更要有金融盾剛才我提到就是說如果有機會股市佔滿兩萬五千點其實更重要的是主委你一直在提的我們亞洲資產管理中心台灣如果有更好的公建的這個投資標的的話那都是對台灣來說\n\n06:05.062 --> 06:28.839\n暫穩我們的金融盾是一個更好的方向對整個台灣的財務各方面的管理其實都會更好今天其實我們在討論說保險業如何把海外資金投回台灣看起來好像保險業資金非常充足事實上只講對了一半我想主委你非常清楚其實保險業它也面臨它要對保護有一定的資產的承諾\n\n06:30.140 --> 06:32.102\n主委,你認為台灣的保險業到底缺不缺錢?它資金的缺口到底有多少?\n\n06:51.677 --> 07:16.742\n報告委員這應該有兩個叫資金一個叫資本那我想我們講ICS大家最在意是資本的缺口就是那資金其實我覺得那資本的缺口到底有多少那保險業是不缺資金因為他每年的保費收入因為保險業長期保費那他資本的缺口是多少資本的缺口我剛才講過就是說我們如果要過渡的話我們現在比如說我們現在還是適用舊制的話RBC制度非常明確各家公司都知道\n\n07:17.182 --> 07:32.150\n對,但是現在就是為了要跟IFRS17接軌嘛,所以我們資金的缺口到底有多少?對,所以說現在來看的話,因為現在RBC的這個各家公司應該都非常清楚,我們比如說要滿足200%的這個係數,剛剛委員關切的…要跟IFRS17接軌,2026我們的受險業的資金的這個到底…\n\n07:41.074 --> 08:07.404\n資本缺口到底有多少?這個跟委員報告就是說我們為什麼在今年年底之前要定案我們第四階段的這樣的一個這個部分就是要先讓大家確認未來在接軌日的時候你未來長期過渡的目標這件事情現在還沒有定案之前是沒有辦法有個明確的數字再來就是因為各家的條件不同\n\n08:08.664 --> 08:31.884\n主委,因為我後面的題目還沒出來,其實從媒體上的看到,我們無論是為了要跟IFRS7接軌,我們的受險業資金缺口將近有一兆元,這個對他們來說其實非常關鍵重要,對他們來說其實他們也都非常關注這件事情,所以去年我們金管會才會有提出我們發行這個SPV,\n\n08:34.866 --> 08:48.132\n協助我們的業者有多元的投資的管道當然受請業者今年也為了接軌所以他們也發行很多的債券包括國泰人壽、南山富邦、星光看我這個表格就非常清楚國泰人壽這個發行債券到500億就非常多\n\n08:53.914 --> 09:05.698\n這個部分其實包括星光也發行了80元的債券那特別有關注到SPV就是我們在新加坡發行SPV國泰人壽在6月27號發行了6億元的債券但是超額認購約3倍\n\n09:10.379 --> 09:19.587\n也就是說這幾件這件事情也引起了其他受險業者要要遇事所以為了跟2026接軌包括競選他們財務計劃大家都跑到海外去發行債券這件事情\n\n09:26.093 --> 09:45.952\n主委,我相信你心裡一定有想法,如果這些海外債券可以回到台灣來發行,是不是更好?但是關鍵是,外資到台灣來投資的話,它要扣15%的稅,那這個事情怎麼克服?這就影響到你未來能不能在台灣成立亞洲資產管理中心?\n\n09:48.215 --> 10:10.563\n後續到底怎麼做?主委你的想法是什麼?做法到底是什麼?你有沒有做法?我們希望受險業強化資本方法就來自於比如說現金的資本另外一個就是我們類似次順位的這些債券就是我們可能第一類或第二類的這些對,第二類的資本投資\n\n10:11.503 --> 10:31.824\n對那當然國內的其實上他有未納是有限比如說他這些購買的對象我們也開放了海外的因為對於我們資本或是對但是這些海外的他如果可以放在台灣然後我們可以不要扣他稅我們有沒有其他的做法你有沒有想法這個當然就是說\n\n10:32.825 --> 11:00.241\n多元化的籌資我們當然都是反制強化你要人家錢放在台灣外資錢留在台灣最大的就是最具體的方法就是我們現在扣15%的稅我們如何不要扣那麼多或甚至是他可以接受的那這個當然牽涉到跨部會譬如說財政部但是我覺得還有一個方法我可以提供主委就是我們現在有國際保險業務再給我一分鐘我們有國際保險業務如何把\n\n11:01.081 --> 11:16.891\n海外的債券投資把它納入OIU我覺得這是一個思考的模式跟方法主委你同意我的說法嗎我可以來研究這件事情對那這個研究其實就牽涉到莊部長對對不對那部長來部長你請上來請莊部長簡單回答謝謝\n\n11:21.761 --> 11:37.586\n簡單回答因為現在我們國泰到新加坡去發行我們也一樣收不到稅啊但是我們如果把OIU把阿嬤進來的話讓這些海外發行的債券回到台灣發行的話\n\n11:38.766 --> 12:04.640\n我覺得對於整個售銜業錢留在臺灣那是個利多我們或許不要收到15%收個2%、3%你還是有增加稅收啊部長你了解我的意思嗎?了解您說的是是是所以要成就主委的亞洲金融資產管理中心我們要有科技盾我們要有系盾我們更要有金融盾\n\n12:06.869 --> 12:29.375\n這個關鍵就在兩位身上如果主委同意我的想法是你的工具之一你可能有工具之二、之三你慢慢來研究這是你的專業但是這個部分就要部長支持部長同意研究朝這樣方向來思考嗎我想這個部分可能我們經過金管會有個具體的一個想法以後我們再來做討論是\n\n12:31.642 --> 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