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00:01:41,758\n我覺得我跟高杰還蠻熟的他是台灣藝人專門演黑道他那天講大家晚上好的時候我也有一點覺得他怎麼會講這個因為他以前是跟我們那個時代的人那個時代真的不會講大家晚上好可見的這個語言的傳播透過網路他其實很嚴重那至於你說他講這個對不對我覺得只有一種\n\n6\n00:01:42,879 --> 00:02:07,770\n聽得舒不舒服,感覺好不好而已,我覺得好像沒有對不對啦,因為語言這個東西,我上次也講過這也是一個問題啦,人都會這樣子嘛,你到一個地方開久了,你就會有那些的口音啦但是我們現在好像把這些,因為這都是中文,很容易這樣子混的,大家會不會搞得太緊張了?\n\n7\n00:02:09,817 --> 00:02:17,603\n問候一下也需要出征嗎?你覺得台灣是怎麼回事?台灣的文化是哪裡出問題?這個部分我覺得\n\n8\n00:02:21,977 --> 00:02:36,264\n我覺得臺灣某方面大家好像蠻對立的就是那個對立到我覺得蠻讓別人不太好會嚇一跳的結果就像我這次進去講如果是一個天安門事件在臺灣現在講話很緊張你知道嗎真的是講話隨時對很緊張我覺得我們\n\n9\n00:02:45,729 --> 00:03:09,416\n民主運動當中政治是戒嚴的但是現在變成文化戒嚴文化戒嚴我們真的是一個文化戒嚴的國家動不動就思想犯就出征人家就質疑忠誠質疑對方的忠誠包括你講的語言包括你講的台灣這個台灣是一個文化大國台灣是一個充滿本來文化是我們的優勢\n\n10\n00:03:10,896 --> 00:03:28,784\n現在文化互相殘殺然後互相指責對方互相戴帽子這文化部應該要好好的來想辦法解決這個問題啦我不是說這是文化部的問題啦但是要解決誰來解決當然還是要靠文化部啦文化部絕對不能在天流家畜啦然後再來看\n\n11\n00:03:30,783 --> 00:03:56,574\n這裡是哪裡?這不是日本喔?這是台灣喔?我們台灣每次到溫泉祭的時候那個意象表演一定會穿和服、穿彩目機對不對?然後跳了這些這是什麼?這個魅力嗎?還是說溫泉只能是有日本的文化?台灣溫泉這麼的發達為什麼不能有台灣自己的概念?\n\n12\n00:03:58,871 --> 00:03:59,754\n這個問題我覺得問得很好\n\n13\n00:04:02,645 --> 00:04:29,071\n台灣是一個被動的在這個這個歷史上都是被動的被別人統治那只要統治50年他的文化就進來了包括語言包括服裝包括一切還有現在是世界化大家年輕人是看看網路看日劇看韓劇他會朝著流行去這件事情說起來是蠻複雜的所以怎麼看兩件事情那邊講一句文物晚上好就不行\n\n14\n00:04:29,611 --> 00:04:31,135\n這是什麼?文化是這樣的選擇性跟對立嗎?\n\n15\n00:04:39,198 --> 00:05:03,212\n您的問題非常好因為我覺得文化基本上應該是認同吧就是譬如說我認同這個東西我就覺得它非常好我不認同它我就覺得非常不好所以我覺得現在這樣子啦我自己的比如說像日本啦日本的是葫蘆吞草的文化啦它不管像我們現在包括哇你用這個比如說大魚治水啦他們在問說大魚是誰啦\n\n16\n00:05:05,974 --> 00:05:30,410\n大禹如果你不知道這個故事你講這個成語就沒意義嘛所以當他在運用這語言的時候一定要了解他的歷史那我們現在在排除他的歷史的時候連我們的語言都會被排除這會造成很多的衝突啦那所以呢通常怎麼處理這種文化問題像日本他就是土藻他不管是哪一國的文化他都混混吞藻吞下去\n\n17\n00:05:31,511 --> 00:05:42,743\n不用擔心這種事情文化呢會自己消化消化是和庶民生活會被留下來有的就會被排泄掉\n\n18\n00:05:44,070 --> 00:06:10,798\n他自然會這樣子我們國家不要那麼的緊張好不好我很怕什麼文化入侵很怕什麼所以這邊要戒嚴這邊要擋住門這邊要講這話然後很多的事情包容一個多元文化臺灣應該包容多元文化我不管是怎麼樣文化特別跟我們極大關係這麼密切的中文文化你如果再去排擠它的話稍微一個字眼的話我們自己會自己會業業那個啦好\n\n19\n00:06:13,482 --> 00:06:13,993\n接下來呢﹖\n\n20\n00:06:15,538 --> 00:06:16,118\n臺灣的多元文化\n\n21\n00:06:45,758 --> 00:06:55,956\n人家不把我們看在眼裡了啦台灣已經變成文化小國了啦我們本來是一個文化大國變成文化小國啦這是怎麼造成的\n\n22\n00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:25,947\n部長你覺得我覺得我們自己本身忽略了自己文化的重要還有在政策上比韓國晚了覺醒韓國從1998年開始金大中上台他就知道文化立國直接立法在法律上直接立法投入很多的錢那是1998年到了2000年之後韓流就起來了然後2003年有一個導演叫李昌東被聘為文化部長\n\n23\n00:07:26,747 --> 00:07:55,613\n在他手上把整個行流做起來這個部長我覺得我們這個當然我們是自己就是文化政治化文化為政治服務政治大力的干預到過去當國民黨時代的時候當然是文化的民進黨起來的時候也是一樣統治文化然後排組其他都互相的對立了其實這個搞的其實這才是最大根本原因以前也沒有說政府這麼多的補助現在也沒有說比以前補助的少以前為什麼這麼的\n\n24\n00:07:57,034 --> 00:08:10,809\n現在不僅不補助現在還會追殺你知道嗎現在還會追殺異己耶這才是文化墮落最大的原因啦文化墮落最大的原因只容許跟自己意識概念相同的文化\n\n25\n00:08:11,510 --> 00:08:12,471\n因為台灣找不到自己現在用原住民最安全\n\n26\n00:08:38,291 --> 00:08:52,104\n對不對?原住民是最安全的意向你用任何的圖像下來都會引起內部的一種糾紛包括以前連小學踢踐子都會被指證這個媚中啊哎呀一幫大隊隨便的亂指責亂那個這一點啊\n\n27\n00:08:56,548 --> 00:09:11,370\n這一點我很期待因為我知道你是一個文化人真正的文化人就給我們委員解釋一下文化部差不多至少這10年他在補助的時候他不會看這個他請來一群委員完全不會看這個\n\n28\n00:09:12,592 --> 00:09:32,329\n送東西來的是藍還是綠還是白然後它裡面是講原住民還是還是有講過去的一些我們講比較中國的元素或者原住民元素我跟委員保證台灣的電影跟影視為什麼這幾年終於比較起來就是因為在審查制度上我們蠻公平的這點因為我當過評審委員這點請委員相信我們\n\n29\n00:09:36,853 --> 00:09:50,589\n我相信你啦我相信你是一個文化人我們繼續在這方面努力啦來端正這個給文化人尊嚴給文化人台灣真的很可惜台灣是一個文化非常文化跟金融一樣\n\n30\n00:09:51,550 --> 00:09:51,670\n謝謝委員提醒\n\n31\n00:10:24,848 --> 00:10:24,868\n謝謝吳春\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n489\t22104\t吳春城委員我知道我知道好 有請這個部長好 有請部長吳委員你好那個部長好那個這個\n27321\t31872\t部長看到我今天這個標題你有什麼感想?\n35412\t58478\t文化亂了套我覺得蠻容易亂了套還容易亂套因為我覺得文化是一個太複雜的一個太複雜的問題那個大家都在談經期講但是我也有出席啦去看啦那但是呢我覺得辦的事情還是主辦單位還是很辛苦啦大家這個但是呢我現在舉這個\n60681\t77520\t那天晚上有位大陸藝人高杰講了一句大家晚上好然後就被出征了這個部長覺得這是這樣子是什麼回事\n78621\t101758\t我覺得我跟高杰還蠻熟的他是台灣藝人專門演黑道他那天講大家晚上好的時候我也有一點覺得他怎麼會講這個因為他以前是跟我們那個時代的人那個時代真的不會講大家晚上好可見的這個語言的傳播透過網路他其實很嚴重那至於你說他講這個對不對我覺得只有一種\n102879\t127770\t聽得舒不舒服,感覺好不好而已,我覺得好像沒有對不對啦,因為語言這個東西,我上次也講過這也是一個問題啦,人都會這樣子嘛,你到一個地方開久了,你就會有那些的口音啦但是我們現在好像把這些,因為這都是中文,很容易這樣子混的,大家會不會搞得太緊張了?\n129817\t137603\t問候一下也需要出征嗎?你覺得台灣是怎麼回事?台灣的文化是哪裡出問題?這個部分我覺得\n141977\t156264\t我覺得臺灣某方面大家好像蠻對立的就是那個對立到我覺得蠻讓別人不太好會嚇一跳的結果就像我這次進去講如果是一個天安門事件在臺灣現在講話很緊張你知道嗎真的是講話隨時對很緊張我覺得我們\n165729\t189416\t民主運動當中政治是戒嚴的但是現在變成文化戒嚴文化戒嚴我們真的是一個文化戒嚴的國家動不動就思想犯就出征人家就質疑忠誠質疑對方的忠誠包括你講的語言包括你講的台灣這個台灣是一個文化大國台灣是一個充滿本來文化是我們的優勢\n190896\t208784\t現在文化互相殘殺然後互相指責對方互相戴帽子這文化部應該要好好的來想辦法解決這個問題啦我不是說這是文化部的問題啦但是要解決誰來解決當然還是要靠文化部啦文化部絕對不能在天流家畜啦然後再來看\n210783\t236574\t這裡是哪裡?這不是日本喔?這是台灣喔?我們台灣每次到溫泉祭的時候那個意象表演一定會穿和服、穿彩目機對不對?然後跳了這些這是什麼?這個魅力嗎?還是說溫泉只能是有日本的文化?台灣溫泉這麼的發達為什麼不能有台灣自己的概念?\n238871\t239754\t這個問題我覺得問得很好\n242645\t269071\t台灣是一個被動的在這個這個歷史上都是被動的被別人統治那只要統治50年他的文化就進來了包括語言包括服裝包括一切還有現在是世界化大家年輕人是看看網路看日劇看韓劇他會朝著流行去這件事情說起來是蠻複雜的所以怎麼看兩件事情那邊講一句文物晚上好就不行\n269611\t271135\t這是什麼?文化是這樣的選擇性跟對立嗎?\n279198\t303212\t您的問題非常好因為我覺得文化基本上應該是認同吧就是譬如說我認同這個東西我就覺得它非常好我不認同它我就覺得非常不好所以我覺得現在這樣子啦我自己的比如說像日本啦日本的是葫蘆吞草的文化啦它不管像我們現在包括哇你用這個比如說大魚治水啦他們在問說大魚是誰啦\n305974\t330410\t大禹如果你不知道這個故事你講這個成語就沒意義嘛所以當他在運用這語言的時候一定要了解他的歷史那我們現在在排除他的歷史的時候連我們的語言都會被排除這會造成很多的衝突啦那所以呢通常怎麼處理這種文化問題像日本他就是土藻他不管是哪一國的文化他都混混吞藻吞下去\n331511\t342743\t不用擔心這種事情文化呢會自己消化消化是和庶民生活會被留下來有的就會被排泄掉\n344070\t370798\t他自然會這樣子我們國家不要那麼的緊張好不好我很怕什麼文化入侵很怕什麼所以這邊要戒嚴這邊要擋住門這邊要講這話然後很多的事情包容一個多元文化臺灣應該包容多元文化我不管是怎麼樣文化特別跟我們極大關係這麼密切的中文文化你如果再去排擠它的話稍微一個字眼的話我們自己會自己會業業那個啦好\n373482\t373993\t接下來呢﹖\n375538\t376118\t臺灣的多元文化\n405758\t415956\t人家不把我們看在眼裡了啦台灣已經變成文化小國了啦我們本來是一個文化大國變成文化小國啦這是怎麼造成的\n417079\t445947\t部長你覺得我覺得我們自己本身忽略了自己文化的重要還有在政策上比韓國晚了覺醒韓國從1998年開始金大中上台他就知道文化立國直接立法在法律上直接立法投入很多的錢那是1998年到了2000年之後韓流就起來了然後2003年有一個導演叫李昌東被聘為文化部長\n446747\t475613\t在他手上把整個行流做起來這個部長我覺得我們這個當然我們是自己就是文化政治化文化為政治服務政治大力的干預到過去當國民黨時代的時候當然是文化的民進黨起來的時候也是一樣統治文化然後排組其他都互相的對立了其實這個搞的其實這才是最大根本原因以前也沒有說政府這麼多的補助現在也沒有說比以前補助的少以前為什麼這麼的\n477034\t490809\t現在不僅不補助 現在還會追殺你知道嗎現在還會追殺異己耶這才是文化墮落最大的原因啦文化墮落最大的原因只容許跟自己意識概念相同的文化\n491510\t492471\t因為台灣找不到自己現在用原住民最安全\n518291\t532104\t對不對?原住民是最安全的意向你用任何的圖像下來都會引起內部的一種糾紛包括以前連小學踢踐子都會被指證這個媚中啊哎呀一幫大隊隨便的亂指責亂那個這一點啊\n536548\t551370\t這一點我很期待 因為我知道你是一個文化人 真正的文化人就給我們委員解釋一下 文化部差不多至少這10年他在補助的時候他不會看這個 他請來一群委員 完全不會看這個\n552592\t572329\t送東西來的是藍還是綠還是白然後它裡面是講原住民還是還是有講過去的一些我們講比較中國的元素或者原住民元素我跟委員保證台灣的電影跟影視為什麼這幾年終於比較起來就是因為在審查制度上我們蠻公平的這點因為我當過評審委員這點請委員相信我們\n576853\t590589\t我相信你啦我相信你是一個文化人我們繼續在這方面努力啦來端正這個給文化人尊嚴給文化人台灣真的很可惜台灣是一個文化非常文化跟金融一樣\n591550\t591670\t謝謝委員提醒\n624848\t624868\t謝謝吳春\n","txt":"吳春城委員我知道我知道好 有請這個部長好 有請部長吳委員你好那個部長好那個這個\n部長看到我今天這個標題你有什麼感想?\n文化亂了套我覺得蠻容易亂了套還容易亂套因為我覺得文化是一個太複雜的一個太複雜的問題那個大家都在談經期講但是我也有出席啦去看啦那但是呢我覺得辦的事情還是主辦單位還是很辛苦啦大家這個但是呢我現在舉這個\n那天晚上有位大陸藝人高杰講了一句大家晚上好然後就被出征了這個部長覺得這是這樣子是什麼回事\n我覺得我跟高杰還蠻熟的他是台灣藝人專門演黑道他那天講大家晚上好的時候我也有一點覺得他怎麼會講這個因為他以前是跟我們那個時代的人那個時代真的不會講大家晚上好可見的這個語言的傳播透過網路他其實很嚴重那至於你說他講這個對不對我覺得只有一種\n聽得舒不舒服,感覺好不好而已,我覺得好像沒有對不對啦,因為語言這個東西,我上次也講過這也是一個問題啦,人都會這樣子嘛,你到一個地方開久了,你就會有那些的口音啦但是我們現在好像把這些,因為這都是中文,很容易這樣子混的,大家會不會搞得太緊張了?\n問候一下也需要出征嗎?你覺得台灣是怎麼回事?台灣的文化是哪裡出問題?這個部分我覺得\n我覺得臺灣某方面大家好像蠻對立的就是那個對立到我覺得蠻讓別人不太好會嚇一跳的結果就像我這次進去講如果是一個天安門事件在臺灣現在講話很緊張你知道嗎真的是講話隨時對很緊張我覺得我們\n民主運動當中政治是戒嚴的但是現在變成文化戒嚴文化戒嚴我們真的是一個文化戒嚴的國家動不動就思想犯就出征人家就質疑忠誠質疑對方的忠誠包括你講的語言包括你講的台灣這個台灣是一個文化大國台灣是一個充滿本來文化是我們的優勢\n現在文化互相殘殺然後互相指責對方互相戴帽子這文化部應該要好好的來想辦法解決這個問題啦我不是說這是文化部的問題啦但是要解決誰來解決當然還是要靠文化部啦文化部絕對不能在天流家畜啦然後再來看\n這裡是哪裡?這不是日本喔?這是台灣喔?我們台灣每次到溫泉祭的時候那個意象表演一定會穿和服、穿彩目機對不對?然後跳了這些這是什麼?這個魅力嗎?還是說溫泉只能是有日本的文化?台灣溫泉這麼的發達為什麼不能有台灣自己的概念?\n這個問題我覺得問得很好\n台灣是一個被動的在這個這個歷史上都是被動的被別人統治那只要統治50年他的文化就進來了包括語言包括服裝包括一切還有現在是世界化大家年輕人是看看網路看日劇看韓劇他會朝著流行去這件事情說起來是蠻複雜的所以怎麼看兩件事情那邊講一句文物晚上好就不行\n這是什麼?文化是這樣的選擇性跟對立嗎?\n您的問題非常好因為我覺得文化基本上應該是認同吧就是譬如說我認同這個東西我就覺得它非常好我不認同它我就覺得非常不好所以我覺得現在這樣子啦我自己的比如說像日本啦日本的是葫蘆吞草的文化啦它不管像我們現在包括哇你用這個比如說大魚治水啦他們在問說大魚是誰啦\n大禹如果你不知道這個故事你講這個成語就沒意義嘛所以當他在運用這語言的時候一定要了解他的歷史那我們現在在排除他的歷史的時候連我們的語言都會被排除這會造成很多的衝突啦那所以呢通常怎麼處理這種文化問題像日本他就是土藻他不管是哪一國的文化他都混混吞藻吞下去\n不用擔心這種事情文化呢會自己消化消化是和庶民生活會被留下來有的就會被排泄掉\n他自然會這樣子我們國家不要那麼的緊張好不好我很怕什麼文化入侵很怕什麼所以這邊要戒嚴這邊要擋住門這邊要講這話然後很多的事情包容一個多元文化臺灣應該包容多元文化我不管是怎麼樣文化特別跟我們極大關係這麼密切的中文文化你如果再去排擠它的話稍微一個字眼的話我們自己會自己會業業那個啦好\n接下來呢﹖\n臺灣的多元文化\n人家不把我們看在眼裡了啦台灣已經變成文化小國了啦我們本來是一個文化大國變成文化小國啦這是怎麼造成的\n部長你覺得我覺得我們自己本身忽略了自己文化的重要還有在政策上比韓國晚了覺醒韓國從1998年開始金大中上台他就知道文化立國直接立法在法律上直接立法投入很多的錢那是1998年到了2000年之後韓流就起來了然後2003年有一個導演叫李昌東被聘為文化部長\n在他手上把整個行流做起來這個部長我覺得我們這個當然我們是自己就是文化政治化文化為政治服務政治大力的干預到過去當國民黨時代的時候當然是文化的民進黨起來的時候也是一樣統治文化然後排組其他都互相的對立了其實這個搞的其實這才是最大根本原因以前也沒有說政府這麼多的補助現在也沒有說比以前補助的少以前為什麼這麼的\n現在不僅不補助 現在還會追殺你知道嗎現在還會追殺異己耶這才是文化墮落最大的原因啦文化墮落最大的原因只容許跟自己意識概念相同的文化\n因為台灣找不到自己現在用原住民最安全\n對不對?原住民是最安全的意向你用任何的圖像下來都會引起內部的一種糾紛包括以前連小學踢踐子都會被指證這個媚中啊哎呀一幫大隊隨便的亂指責亂那個這一點啊\n這一點我很期待 因為我知道你是一個文化人 真正的文化人就給我們委員解釋一下 文化部差不多至少這10年他在補助的時候他不會看這個 他請來一群委員 完全不會看這個\n送東西來的是藍還是綠還是白然後它裡面是講原住民還是還是有講過去的一些我們講比較中國的元素或者原住民元素我跟委員保證台灣的電影跟影視為什麼這幾年終於比較起來就是因為在審查制度上我們蠻公平的這點因為我當過評審委員這點請委員相信我們\n我相信你啦我相信你是一個文化人我們繼續在這方面努力啦來端正這個給文化人尊嚴給文化人台灣真的很可惜台灣是一個文化非常文化跟金融一樣\n謝謝委員提醒\n謝謝吳春\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.489 --> 00:22.104\n吳春城委員我知道我知道好有請這個部長好有請部長吳委員你好那個部長好那個這個\n\n00:27.321 --> 00:31.872\n部長看到我今天這個標題你有什麼感想?\n\n00:35.412 --> 00:58.478\n文化亂了套我覺得蠻容易亂了套還容易亂套因為我覺得文化是一個太複雜的一個太複雜的問題那個大家都在談經期講但是我也有出席啦去看啦那但是呢我覺得辦的事情還是主辦單位還是很辛苦啦大家這個但是呢我現在舉這個\n\n01:00.681 --> 01:17.520\n那天晚上有位大陸藝人高杰講了一句大家晚上好然後就被出征了這個部長覺得這是這樣子是什麼回事\n\n01:18.621 --> 01:41.758\n我覺得我跟高杰還蠻熟的他是台灣藝人專門演黑道他那天講大家晚上好的時候我也有一點覺得他怎麼會講這個因為他以前是跟我們那個時代的人那個時代真的不會講大家晚上好可見的這個語言的傳播透過網路他其實很嚴重那至於你說他講這個對不對我覺得只有一種\n\n01:42.879 --> 02:07.770\n聽得舒不舒服,感覺好不好而已,我覺得好像沒有對不對啦,因為語言這個東西,我上次也講過這也是一個問題啦,人都會這樣子嘛,你到一個地方開久了,你就會有那些的口音啦但是我們現在好像把這些,因為這都是中文,很容易這樣子混的,大家會不會搞得太緊張了?\n\n02:09.817 --> 02:17.603\n問候一下也需要出征嗎?你覺得台灣是怎麼回事?台灣的文化是哪裡出問題?這個部分我覺得\n\n02:21.977 --> 02:36.264\n我覺得臺灣某方面大家好像蠻對立的就是那個對立到我覺得蠻讓別人不太好會嚇一跳的結果就像我這次進去講如果是一個天安門事件在臺灣現在講話很緊張你知道嗎真的是講話隨時對很緊張我覺得我們\n\n02:45.729 --> 03:09.416\n民主運動當中政治是戒嚴的但是現在變成文化戒嚴文化戒嚴我們真的是一個文化戒嚴的國家動不動就思想犯就出征人家就質疑忠誠質疑對方的忠誠包括你講的語言包括你講的台灣這個台灣是一個文化大國台灣是一個充滿本來文化是我們的優勢\n\n03:10.896 --> 03:28.784\n現在文化互相殘殺然後互相指責對方互相戴帽子這文化部應該要好好的來想辦法解決這個問題啦我不是說這是文化部的問題啦但是要解決誰來解決當然還是要靠文化部啦文化部絕對不能在天流家畜啦然後再來看\n\n03:30.783 --> 03:56.574\n這裡是哪裡?這不是日本喔?這是台灣喔?我們台灣每次到溫泉祭的時候那個意象表演一定會穿和服、穿彩目機對不對?然後跳了這些這是什麼?這個魅力嗎?還是說溫泉只能是有日本的文化?台灣溫泉這麼的發達為什麼不能有台灣自己的概念?\n\n03:58.871 --> 03:59.754\n這個問題我覺得問得很好\n\n04:02.645 --> 04:29.071\n台灣是一個被動的在這個這個歷史上都是被動的被別人統治那只要統治50年他的文化就進來了包括語言包括服裝包括一切還有現在是世界化大家年輕人是看看網路看日劇看韓劇他會朝著流行去這件事情說起來是蠻複雜的所以怎麼看兩件事情那邊講一句文物晚上好就不行\n\n04:29.611 --> 04:31.135\n這是什麼?文化是這樣的選擇性跟對立嗎?\n\n04:39.198 --> 05:03.212\n您的問題非常好因為我覺得文化基本上應該是認同吧就是譬如說我認同這個東西我就覺得它非常好我不認同它我就覺得非常不好所以我覺得現在這樣子啦我自己的比如說像日本啦日本的是葫蘆吞草的文化啦它不管像我們現在包括哇你用這個比如說大魚治水啦他們在問說大魚是誰啦\n\n05:05.974 --> 05:30.410\n大禹如果你不知道這個故事你講這個成語就沒意義嘛所以當他在運用這語言的時候一定要了解他的歷史那我們現在在排除他的歷史的時候連我們的語言都會被排除這會造成很多的衝突啦那所以呢通常怎麼處理這種文化問題像日本他就是土藻他不管是哪一國的文化他都混混吞藻吞下去\n\n05:31.511 --> 05:42.743\n不用擔心這種事情文化呢會自己消化消化是和庶民生活會被留下來有的就會被排泄掉\n\n05:44.070 --> 06:10.798\n他自然會這樣子我們國家不要那麼的緊張好不好我很怕什麼文化入侵很怕什麼所以這邊要戒嚴這邊要擋住門這邊要講這話然後很多的事情包容一個多元文化臺灣應該包容多元文化我不管是怎麼樣文化特別跟我們極大關係這麼密切的中文文化你如果再去排擠它的話稍微一個字眼的話我們自己會自己會業業那個啦好\n\n06:13.482 --> 06:13.993\n接下來呢﹖\n\n06:15.538 --> 06:16.118\n臺灣的多元文化\n\n06:45.758 --> 06:55.956\n人家不把我們看在眼裡了啦台灣已經變成文化小國了啦我們本來是一個文化大國變成文化小國啦這是怎麼造成的\n\n06:57.079 --> 07:25.947\n部長你覺得我覺得我們自己本身忽略了自己文化的重要還有在政策上比韓國晚了覺醒韓國從1998年開始金大中上台他就知道文化立國直接立法在法律上直接立法投入很多的錢那是1998年到了2000年之後韓流就起來了然後2003年有一個導演叫李昌東被聘為文化部長\n\n07:26.747 --> 07:55.613\n在他手上把整個行流做起來這個部長我覺得我們這個當然我們是自己就是文化政治化文化為政治服務政治大力的干預到過去當國民黨時代的時候當然是文化的民進黨起來的時候也是一樣統治文化然後排組其他都互相的對立了其實這個搞的其實這才是最大根本原因以前也沒有說政府這麼多的補助現在也沒有說比以前補助的少以前為什麼這麼的\n\n07:57.034 --> 08:10.809\n現在不僅不補助現在還會追殺你知道嗎現在還會追殺異己耶這才是文化墮落最大的原因啦文化墮落最大的原因只容許跟自己意識概念相同的文化\n\n08:11.510 --> 08:12.471\n因為台灣找不到自己現在用原住民最安全\n\n08:38.291 --> 08:52.104\n對不對?原住民是最安全的意向你用任何的圖像下來都會引起內部的一種糾紛包括以前連小學踢踐子都會被指證這個媚中啊哎呀一幫大隊隨便的亂指責亂那個這一點啊\n\n08:56.548 --> 09:11.370\n這一點我很期待因為我知道你是一個文化人真正的文化人就給我們委員解釋一下文化部差不多至少這10年他在補助的時候他不會看這個他請來一群委員完全不會看這個\n\n09:12.592 --> 09:32.329\n送東西來的是藍還是綠還是白然後它裡面是講原住民還是還是有講過去的一些我們講比較中國的元素或者原住民元素我跟委員保證台灣的電影跟影視為什麼這幾年終於比較起來就是因為在審查制度上我們蠻公平的這點因為我當過評審委員這點請委員相信我們\n\n09:36.853 --> 09:50.589\n我相信你啦我相信你是一個文化人我們繼續在這方面努力啦來端正這個給文化人尊嚴給文化人台灣真的很可惜台灣是一個文化非常文化跟金融一樣\n\n09:51.550 --> 09:51.670\n謝謝委員提醒\n\n10:24.848 --> 10:24.868\n謝謝吳春\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.489,"end":22.104,"text":"吳春城委員我知道我知道好 有請這個部長好 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