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12:16:36","影片長度":"00:12:46","會議時間":"2024-07-03T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第1會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議（事由：一、邀請金融監督管理委員會彭主任委員金隆、財政部莊部長翠雲就「如何促進保險業資金擴大參與公共建設，加速建設之推動。」進行專題報告，並備質詢；另邀請中央銀行、國家發展委員會、經濟部、交通部列席備詢。\n二、繼續審查本院委員羅明才等17人擬具「保險法第一百四十六條之四條文修正草案」案。\n【7月3日及4日二天一次會】）","type":"Clip","date":"2024-07-03","start_time":"2024-07-03T12:03:50+08:00","end_time":"2024-07-03T12:16:36+08:00","duration":766,"meet":{"tmpMeeting":null,"title":"第11屆第1會期財政委員會第20次全體委員會議","term":11,"type":"委員會","sessionPeriod":1,"sessionTimes":20,"committees":[20],"id":"委員會-11-1-20-20"},"features":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"gazette":{"lineno":881,"blocks":[["陳委員玉珍：（12時3分）謝謝主席。我們請財政部關務署。"],["主席：請莊部長。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，財政部部長先上來了。有關離島地區進口商品免徵關稅的部分……"],["主席：麻煩也請關務署彭署長。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，署長。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員好。"],["陳委員玉珍：部長、署長中午好。我想請問財政部，金、馬、澎3縣在民國104年曾經提出修正免徵關稅品項及理由彙整表，本席上個月也在這邊質詢，說財政部有關「離島地區進口商品免徵關稅」未曾檢討，財政部當時回答表示，會後會整理一份資料供本席參考。離島地區進口商品免徵關稅項目是按照離島建設條例第十條第二項和相關的實施辦法，89年是公告164項，到99年陸續增列至320項，但是看過往的這些進出口歷史資料，雖然適用的辦法有這麼多項，有320項，署長，對吧？但是實際上有運用到的，在110年有適用到這個辦法的項目只有1樣進口，到111年只有8項，112年15項，意思是說，我們相關的免徵關稅商品的項目，應該是相當的不符合實際啦！你看，占的比例就只有0.3%、2.5%、4.6%，這個對離島居民來講完全失去了當初訂定這些辦法相關的意義，沒有實際嘉惠到離島的居民。三個離島的縣市政府，澎湖、金門、馬祖歷年來也都一直有建議增列一些項目，譬如說103年澎湖縣政府有建議增列1,000cc以下的小型電動車；104年連江縣政府建議增列水產品；104年金門縣政府和澎湖縣政府建議增列砂糖、花生等10項農產品，還有釉料、風力發電機組、公共汽車、小客車等19項工業產品；105年連江縣政府也建議增列農產品、漁產品、釣魚用具、寢具、家具等42項，但是我們財政部都一直沒有同意，一直打回票，反而是你們原來列的300多項，只有一項、兩項是這麼多年來真的有進口的。","你們的理由一直在說產業發展方面是不是會對國內產業產生衝擊；或者是貨品管理方面是不是能確保在當地銷售，會不會大量流入臺灣本島；第三個理由，你們說稅收、稅損的部分會不會影響統籌分配款云云。大家都知道，至少我們金門的綜建計畫裡頭，就是在中央政府核定的綜建計畫裡頭，一直要把金門這個離島建立成為一個免稅島。事實上，這些相關的產品進到金門地區，我們那時候也是說一定有幾個規定：第一、限於地方使用，限於離島當地使用；第二個、強化管理措施。部長，您知道現在從金門帶很多東西到臺灣島來，事實上都是要檢查的嗎？你們知道實際的情形嗎？或者是署長您知道嗎？"],["彭署長英偉：報告委員，你是說從離島到臺灣本島，那是屬於國內線的話……"],["陳委員玉珍：對，但是你知道，事實上還是有通關，你知道要檢查嗎？你不知道？"],["彭署長英偉：我不知道，因為屬於國內線的……"],["陳委員玉珍：因為你們不瞭解實際的情形，所以你們才會產生這樣的誤解。我覺得我們真的可以找時間去看金門地區，至少我想馬祖、澎湖應該也是一樣，從金門地區人到臺灣來，當然要通關，我們還要證件，坐飛機還要相關的檢查，警察機關要做相關的查驗，貨物也是一樣，農產品或者你帶的東西，我跟農委會也反映很多次，帶什麼雞蛋等等，比如說我們吃的雞排，帶這種農產品、漁產品或是肉類都要檢查，還有從碼頭出去的貨物，海巡署也要進來檢查，當然不是關務署檢查，但海巡署也要做相關的檢查，檢查看看有沒有是大陸的東西，就是說是不是大陸進來的，是不是有誇張的量，是不是有人藉由從大陸進東西再轉到臺灣本島來。事實上，這個關卡本來就是蠻嚴格的。","所以當初各個離島縣市金、馬、澎提出來這些相關的建議，事實上，都是因為當地的產業有需求，你瞭解嗎？並不是說真的進來後就大家會轉到臺灣，沒有，因為太難了，離島的海運、空運，什麼東西都檢查，根本就是我一直在講的，像一國兩制、兩個國家，並不是說我們今天從臺北這裡到新北，什麼東西都不用檢查，我們過來這裡，什麼東西都要檢查，是有限制的，而且如果他覺得這樣不對，也不讓你退運出去，東西不能出到本島來，關卡是很嚴格的，所以我想請財政部重新評估，貨物限於離島當地使用才可以免關稅，然後強化管理措施，避免流到臺灣，還有朝免稅島的方向前進，稅收影響少，在政策方面，請你們是不是一個月內幫我們評估出來？有關品項，可以嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，有關品項，剛剛就委員的說明，雖然目前列了320項，可是好像用到的非常少，所以覺得有點不符合實際，可是也跟委員報告，離島地區的營業人，他如果進口商品在當地銷售、當地用，這個部分免關稅沒有問題，但是因為離島到我們本島之間的交通，在貨物管制上，剛剛委員也有提到可能有不同種的原因去做檢查，但是因為免關稅的關係，他如果進到本島的話，它的成本就會比較低，會影響到國內的產業……"],["陳委員玉珍：你有看過實施這一二十年、二三十年來，都沒有產品這樣進口，從外面進來，也沒有辦法轉到臺灣去，表示這個東西，第一、很不實用，第二、這個關卡事實上是守得很嚴的。"],["莊部長翠雲：對，剛剛委員也講到……"],["陳委員玉珍：你們要找時間實際去瞭解，實際做一個報告出來。"],["莊部長翠雲：我們也跟……"],["陳委員玉珍：連縣政府建議的這些品項，你們都不採用，事實上是有點誇張。"],["莊部長翠雲：因為縣政府的建議，我們還要跟產業主管機關來會商……"],["陳委員玉珍：是。"],["莊部長翠雲：這個部分，是不是我們再跟產業主管機關來做評估以後再跟您提出一個書面報告，好不好？"],["陳委員玉珍：對，請你們一個月做評估。因為這也有涉及經濟部，經濟部今天有專委過來，經濟部來的是國營事業，這個都比較不相干，但是可能也請經濟部把我們這個意見帶回去，一個月做出評估的報告，經濟部有人來嗎？有喔！麻煩你把這個意見帶回去，主席這邊也請協助。","再來，我們談到今天的保險資金這個部分，是金管會，財政部當然也聽一下，我們今天討論這個提案就是說讓保險資金多一點留在我們國內，因為賴總統不是也說要把臺灣變成資產管理的中心嗎？要根留臺灣、錢回到臺灣嘛！這個事實上是一個很好的政策，而我們委員會今天討論這個提案，保險資金留在國內，事實上是非常正向的，所以本席也是相當的支持啦，怎麼樣讓保險資金擴大參與公共建設，大家看一下這個表，你看，從2014年來到今年，雖然投注在公共建設資金的金額有上升，但是占壽險業32.65兆裡頭不到百分之一，相當少。","事實上，我知道金管會也有在開始修REITs這些相關法令要促進這些產業留下來，現在國發會當然也在說支持這個案子，盤點一些可以釋出的產業，包括高速公路、再生能源、海淡廠可以來投資。在這個投資上面，本席有幾個疑問，第一個，彭主委在接受媒體專訪的時候，你說金管會希望先找到實驗型個案走一小步確定可行，外界看到引導壽險資金留在臺灣的可能性後，再進入跨部會的這部分，目前有找到什麼實驗型的個案嗎？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們現在還在積極地去規劃，比如最近我們已經透過跟保險業者密集地去討論，希望確認他們的需求，然後有這個需求以後，我們再看看尋找什麼案源……"],["陳委員玉珍：好，多久大概可以找到你的實驗型個案？"],["彭主任委員金隆：我們希望儘快，不過這不是我們金管會一個人所能夠決定，我們會儘快、儘速。"],["陳委員玉珍：好，你沒有講時間嘛！所以這樣回答就跟沒有回答也是差不多，因為可能兩年後你站在這裡、我站在這裡還是一樣。"],["彭主任委員金隆：至少我們真的會積極地去做這件事，因為……"],["陳委員玉珍：積極要一個目標、時間。"],["彭主任委員金隆：對，那……"],["陳委員玉珍：比如說你可能在半年內會跑出一個結果出來，或者三個月內，或者是一年或者九個月，對不對？目標導向嘛！"],["彭主任委員金隆：報告委員，如果是金管會能主政的話，我就能夠非常肯定地說。"],["陳委員玉珍：你覺得還要哪一個部會？財政部嗎？國發會？經濟部？"],["彭主任委員金隆：因為大部分案源都不會是我們所能夠提出來的，因為我們是投資方，我們希望能夠儘快找到案源，謝謝。"],["陳委員玉珍：沒關係啊！我們給你時間再去思考，這個問題也不是到今天為止，但是還有一個議題，我本身更關心的，你看保險資金要留在國內，現在不留在國內的原因，我想大部分的原因是因為也許國內的投資標的的投報率比較差，錢、資金都是往投報率高的地方去，事實上，創造國內好的投資環境是你們的責任啦，也是你們財政部的責任，所以除了這點以外，本席更關心的是，即便保險業的資金回來，在國內各個縣市的投資評估裡頭，我們離島地區又因為偏遠、規模又小，我們覺得我們可能會沒有辦法受到壽險業者的青睞，所以我想提出一個建議，不管財政部也好或者是金管會也好，要做一個評估。財政部報告有說，擴大租稅優惠吸引保險業投資，那本席要特別提出，針對金門等離島地區要怎麼樣有更優惠的方向、政策來提出，讓民間更有意願到金門投資。金管會也是一樣，你們說要研議保險業投資國內的相關獎勵措施，一樣到金門去要怎麼樣……因為平行來講，我們金門就更偏遠了，那就更不容易。我舉一個例子給你們，請你們在一個月內提出相關的保險業赴離島地區投資之具體優惠措施方案，還有金管會也要提出來。我舉一個具體例子給你們參考，一句話而已，像金門因為人少，做醫療就不容易獲利，所以大概很多醫療產業都不願意過去，但偏遠地區也是需要好的醫療，所以衛福部有一個方案，它用醫學中心支援離島醫療，它就有一個獎勵計畫，接著它有在評分裡要求，比如你是榮總，你就要支援，你要當醫學中心，就必須到偏鄉離島去支援，這是列入考核、列入評分，還有列入相關的計畫，我想這個給你們參考，在醫療部分或者是以後我們離島的公共建設部分，我也希望你們在一個月內做出具體的相關政策評估方案，好嗎？可以嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們再來研議。"],["陳委員玉珍：一個月內給我報告，謝謝您。"],["莊部長翠雲：謝謝。"],["主席：下一位請伍麗華伍委員。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：謝謝主席，有請金管會主委。"],["主席：請彭主委。"],["彭主任委員金隆：委員好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：主委好。首先我要謝謝我們的召委、主席，慶祝臺股2萬3,000點的行情，邀請大家一同來吃雞排、喝珍奶，在這邊謝謝召委。今天我覺得機不可失，我們也安排了保險業的資金要投入公共建設，讓我們國內的整個經濟體質能夠更加強壯，所以在這裡先請教一下，主委您提供的金管會資料有提供一個民間參與公共建設的情形，裡頭寫到2013到2023這10年間，民間參與公共建設的案件數大概有1,262件，投資的金額大約是一兆五千多億，其中保險業投資的37件，它的金額是3,244億，如果以投資金額來看的話，保險業在民間參與公共建設的占比大概是22%，請教主委，您覺得這個比例是高還是低？"],["彭主任委員金隆：這個是財政部所提供的資料，它是從促參的角度來看，我們金管會的統計資料是從保險法的分類來區分，不過不管是哪一個數字都顯示保險業投資在公共建設是偏低的。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以是偏低。我們再看一下它投資的項目內容，我看到的資料是寫說像物流中心、商業設施4件，文教設施2件，觀光遊憩的設施、運動的設施、交通的建設各1件，您看到這一些投資標的項目，主委您覺得如何？"],["彭主任委員金隆：其實這裡面，因為按照保險法令，它是有公共建設、專案運用跟長照社福事業，大概是這三大類，這裡面比如說公共建設還有專案運用那就滿多元，即便公共建設，其實它的項目也滿多元的，只要吻合我們上面規定的要件都是，所以它項目會滿多的，可能很多跟我們想像是不太一樣。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：不太一樣。那我請教一下主委，因為您剛剛有說，感覺上應該是覺得占比是偏低。"],["彭主任委員金隆：是的。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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00:04:03,901\n限於地方使用,限於離島當地使用第二個,強化管理措施部長您知道金門現在帶很多東西到台灣來到台灣島來事實上都是要檢查的嗎?你們知道實際的情形嗎?或者是署長您知道嗎?報告委員你是說從離島到台灣本島那是屬於國內線的話對,但是你知道這個通關事實上還是有通關,你知道要檢查嗎?\n\n9\n00:04:05,834 --> 00:04:30,813\n你不知道齁?所以你們才會有產生因為你們不了解實際的情形所以你們才會產生這樣的誤解我覺得我們真的是早時間可以去看金門的地區至少在我想馬祖宇、澎湖應該也是一樣金門地區人到台灣來當然要通關我們還要證件、坐飛機也要相關的檢查警察儘管也要做相關的查驗貨物也是一樣農產品或者你帶的東西這個我跟農委會反映很多次帶什麼雞蛋、帶什麼\n\n10\n00:04:34,557 --> 00:04:37,980\n海巡署也要做相關的檢查,檢查看有沒有是大陸的東西,就是說是不是大陸進來的。\n\n11\n00:05:10,092 --> 00:05:26,559\n各個離島縣市經馬鵬提出來這些相關的建議,事實上都是因為當地的產業有需求,您了解嗎?並不是說,進來以後就大家會轉到台灣,沒有,因為太難了。在離島的海運、空運、什麼東西都檢查。\n\n12\n00:05:27,259 --> 00:05:46,419\n根本就是我一直在講像一國兩制兩個國家並不是說我們今天從這裡到台北到新北什麼東西都不用檢查我們過來這裡什麼東西都要檢查是有限制的而且如果他覺得這樣不對你退運也不讓你出去啊東西不能出不能出到本島來所以關卡是很嚴格的所以我想請財政部重新評估啊\n\n13\n00:05:47,040 --> 00:06:01,017\n在貨物現役地道當地使用,然後才可以免關稅,然後強化管理措施避免流到臺灣,還有朝免稅導的方向前進的部分,這個稅收影響少。在政策方面,請你們是不是一個月內幫我們評估出來,有關品項。\n\n14\n00:06:04,554 --> 00:06:11,596\n可以嗎跟委員報告那個品項剛剛就委員的說明雖然目前列了320項可是好像用到的非常少所以覺得有點不符合實際可是也跟委員報告就是說離島地區的營業人那他如果進口商品然後在當地銷售然後當地用這個部分沒有問題免關稅但是就是說因為離島到我們本島之間的交通在貨物管制上就是剛剛委員也有提到可能有不同種的原因去做檢查\n\n15\n00:06:34,321 --> 00:06:58,566\n但是因為免關稅的關係那他如果進到本島的話那對他的成本就會比較低嘛會影響到國內的產業你有看過時事這麼一二十年來二三十年來都沒有產品這樣進口從那個外面進來就也沒有辦法也沒有轉到台灣就表示表示這東西第一很不實用第二這個關卡事實上是守得很嚴的你們要大概實際我想找時間實際去了解然後實際做一個報告出來\n\n16\n00:07:02,967 --> 00:07:03,347\n經濟部,經濟部的話\n\n17\n00:07:24,748 --> 00:07:33,941\n經濟部今天來是國營社這個都比較不相干但是這個可能也請經濟部把我們這個意見帶回去一個月也作出評估的這個報告啦經濟部有人來嗎經濟部\n\n18\n00:07:36,515 --> 00:07:57,996\n麻煩你把這個意見帶回去這個主席這邊也請那個然後接著我們談到今天的這個保險資金的這個部分那個金管會財政部當然也聽一下這個怎麼樣讓保險資金我們今天討論這個提案就是說讓保險資金多一點留在我們國內因為那時候不是也要也說要把台灣變成這個資產管理的中心嗎要跟留台灣要錢回到台灣嘛\n\n19\n00:07:58,757 --> 00:07:59,277\n二、繼續審查本院委員會、經濟部、交通部列席備詢。\n\n20\n00:08:21,011 --> 00:08:48,341\n雖然金額投注在公共建設的資金金額有上升但是占售險業32.65兆里頭不到1%相當的少事實上我知道經管會也有開始在修這些類似這些相關法令來促進這些產業留下來國發會現在當然也在說官會也是支持這個案子盤點一些可以釋出的產業高速公路、再生能源、海淡廠這些讓這個來投資\n\n21\n00:08:50,362 --> 00:09:05,957\n那在這個投資上面本席有幾個疑問第一個彭主任您在接受媒體專訪的時候您說金管會希望先找到實驗型個案走一小步確定看到這個外界看到雲島受險資金流在台灣可行債進入跨部會的這個\n\n22\n00:09:06,658 --> 00:09:33,544\n目前有找到什麼實驗型的個案嗎?我們現在還在積極的去規劃比如說我們現在最近我們已經透過跟保險業者密集的去討論希望確認他們的需求然後有這個需求以後我們再來看看尋找什麼案源多久大概可以找到你的這個實驗型的個案?我們希望盡快不過這不是我們金管會一個人所能夠決定我們會盡快盡速這樣\n\n23\n00:09:35,925 --> 00:09:56,851\n好那你是沒有講時間嘛所以這個這樣回答就跟沒有回答也是差不多因為可能兩年後你站在這我在這還是一樣至少我們會真的會積極的去做這件事因為積極要一個目標、時間對那比如說你可能在半年內會討出一個結果出來或者三個月內或者是一年或者九個月對不對目標導向嘛\n\n24\n00:09:57,831 --> 00:10:23,889\n就報委員如果是金管會能主政的話我就能夠那你覺得還要哪一個部會財政部嗎國發會經濟部因為大部分的案源都不會是我們所能夠提出來的那我們是因為我們是投資方我們希望說能夠盡快找到案源謝謝沒關係我們給你時間再去思考這個問題也不是到今天為止但是還有一個議題我本席更關心的就是說你看保險資金要留在國內現在都因為不留在國內的原因我想大部分的\n\n25\n00:10:24,910 --> 00:10:46,477\n當中的原因是因為也許國內的投資標定它的投報率比較差嗎?錢都是、資金都是往投報率高的地方去所以事實上我們國內這個創造好的投資環境是你們的責任啦財政部這邊也是你們的責任那所以除了這點以外本期更關心的是即便保險業資金回來在國內的各個縣市在裡面評估投資以同我們離島地區\n\n26\n00:10:48,237 --> 00:11:14,309\n又因為偏遠規模又小我們覺得我們可能會沒有辦法受到保險受險業者的這個青睞所以我想提出一個建議請不管財政部也好或者是金管會也好就是說做一個評估就是說要擴大財政部報告有說擴大租稅優惠吸引保險業投資那本席要特別提出針對金門等離島地區要怎麼樣有更優惠的方向\n\n27\n00:11:15,069 --> 00:11:40,851\n政策來提出讓民間的更有意義到金門投資。金管會也是一樣,你們說要研議保險業者投資國內的相關獎勵措施,一樣,到金門去,要怎麼樣?因為平行來講,我們金門就更偏遠了,那就更不容易。我舉一個例子給你們,那請你們在一個月內提出相關的保險業、副旅島地區投資之具體優惠措施方案,還有金管業也要提出來喔。那我舉一個具體例子給你們參考,一句話而已。\n\n28\n00:11:42,304 --> 00:11:56,805\n這個醫學衛福部針對像基本因為人少那做醫療就不容易獲利所以大概很多醫療產業都不願意過去但偏遠地也是需要好的醫療所以衛福部有一個方案他用\n\n29\n00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:27,319\n吳立華委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1351\t14787\t這個財政部公務署請莊部長財政部部長先上只有關這個離島地區進口商品免徵關稅的這個部分麻煩那個也請公務署彭署長委員好中午好\n21448\t50015\t部長、署長好我想請問財政部金馬鵬三線在民國104年曾經提出修正免徵關稅品項及理由彙整表本期在上個月也有在這邊質詢所以關我們財政部離島地區進口商品免徵關稅沒有檢討財政部那時候回答說會後會整理一份資料供本期參考\n51416\t58204\t理導地區進口商品免徵關稅項目按照理導條例第10條第2項還有相關實施辦法原來是89年公告164項到99年陸續增到320項但是\n67876\t86406\t看過往的這些進出口這些資料這個歷史雖然適用的辦法有這麼多項320項嘛這樣對吧但是實際上有運用到在110年的話有適用到這個辦法的項目只有一項進口110年到111年只有8項112年15項\n93012\t112398\t議員議員\n112518\t129056\t就是沒有實際的加匯到離島的居民那三個離島的縣市政府彭湖、金門、馬祖歷年來也都一直有建議增列一些項目比如103年彭湖縣政府有建議增列1000cc以下的小型電動車104年連江縣政府建議增列水產品\n133300\t157639\t一百零四年金門縣政府和彭博先生建議增列砂糖、花生等10項農產品還有鈾料、風力發電、主機、公共汽車、小客車等19項工業產品一百零五年林江先生也建議增列農產品、漁產品、釣魚用具、寢具、家具等42項但是我們財政部都一直沒有同意一直打回票反而是你們原來列這個300多項只有一項兩項是這麼多年來\n163831\t191732\t獎項 獎項\n191852\t214186\t那大家都知道事實上我們至少金門的這個綜合中間計畫裡頭一直要把金門我們中央政府核定的中間計畫裡頭一直要把金門建成就是建立成為這個離島的這個金門成為一個免稅島那事實上這些相關的產品進到金門地區我們那時候也是說一定有幾個規定\n215707\t243901\t限於地方使用,限於離島當地使用第二個,強化管理措施部長您知道金門現在帶很多東西到台灣來到台灣島來事實上都是要檢查的嗎?你們知道實際的情形嗎?或者是署長您知道嗎?報告委員你是說從離島到台灣本島那是屬於國內線的話對,但是你知道這個通關事實上還是有通關,你知道要檢查嗎?\n245834\t270813\t你不知道齁?所以你們才會有產生因為你們不了解實際的情形所以你們才會產生這樣的誤解我覺得我們真的是早時間可以去看金門的地區至少在我想馬祖宇、澎湖應該也是一樣金門地區人到台灣來當然要通關我們還要證件、坐飛機也要相關的檢查警察儘管也要做相關的查驗貨物也是一樣農產品或者你帶的東西這個我跟農委會反映很多次帶什麼雞蛋、帶什麼\n274557\t277980\t海巡署也要做相關的檢查,檢查看有沒有是大陸的東西,就是說是不是大陸進來的。\n294616\t309872\t議員議員議員議員\n310092\t326559\t各個離島縣市經馬鵬提出來這些相關的建議,事實上都是因為當地的產業有需求,您了解嗎?並不是說,進來以後就大家會轉到台灣,沒有,因為太難了。在離島的海運、空運、什麼東西都檢查。\n327259\t346419\t根本就是我一直在講像一國兩制兩個國家並不是說我們今天從這裡到台北到新北什麼東西都不用檢查我們過來這裡什麼東西都要檢查是有限制的而且如果他覺得這樣不對你退運也不讓你出去啊東西不能出不能出到本島來所以關卡是很嚴格的所以我想請財政部重新評估啊\n347040\t361017\t在貨物現役地道當地使用,然後才可以免關稅,然後強化管理措施避免流到臺灣,還有朝免稅導的方向前進的部分,這個稅收影響少。在政策方面,請你們是不是一個月內幫我們評估出來,有關品項。\n364554\t371596\t可以嗎跟委員報告那個品項剛剛就委員的說明雖然目前列了320項可是好像用到的非常少所以覺得有點不符合實際可是也跟委員報告就是說離島地區的營業人那他如果進口商品然後在當地銷售然後當地用這個部分沒有問題免關稅但是就是說因為離島到我們本島之間的交通在貨物管制上就是剛剛委員也有提到可能有不同種的原因去做檢查\n394321\t418566\t但是因為免關稅的關係那他如果進到本島的話那對他的成本就會比較低嘛會影響到國內的產業你有看過時事這麼一二十年來二三十年來都沒有產品這樣進口從那個外面進來就也沒有辦法也沒有轉到台灣就表示表示這東西第一很不實用第二這個關卡事實上是守得很嚴的你們要大概實際我想找時間實際去了解然後實際做一個報告出來\n422967\t423347\t經濟部,經濟部的話\n444748\t453941\t經濟部今天來是國營社這個都比較不相干但是這個可能也請經濟部把我們這個意見帶回去一個月也作出評估的這個報告啦經濟部有人來嗎經濟部\n456515\t477996\t麻煩你把這個意見帶回去這個主席這邊也請那個然後接著我們談到今天的這個保險資金的這個部分那個金管會財政部當然也聽一下這個怎麼樣讓保險資金我們今天討論這個提案就是說讓保險資金多一點留在我們國內因為那時候不是也要也說要把台灣變成這個資產管理的中心嗎要跟留台灣要錢回到台灣嘛\n478757\t479277\t二、繼續審查本院委員會、經濟部、交通部列席備詢。\n501011\t528341\t雖然金額投注在公共建設的資金金額有上升但是占售險業32.65兆里頭不到1%相當的少事實上我知道經管會也有開始在修這些類似這些相關法令來促進這些產業留下來國發會現在當然也在說官會也是支持這個案子盤點一些可以釋出的產業高速公路、再生能源、海淡廠這些讓這個來投資\n530362\t545957\t那在這個投資上面本席有幾個疑問第一個彭主任您在接受媒體專訪的時候您說金管會希望先找到實驗型個案走一小步確定看到這個外界看到雲島受險資金流在台灣可行債進入跨部會的這個\n546658\t573544\t目前有找到什麼實驗型的個案嗎?我們現在還在積極的去規劃比如說我們現在最近我們已經透過跟保險業者密集的去討論希望確認他們的需求然後有這個需求以後我們再來看看尋找什麼案源多久大概可以找到你的這個實驗型的個案?我們希望盡快不過這不是我們金管會一個人所能夠決定我們會盡快盡速這樣\n575925\t596851\t好 那你是沒有講時間嘛所以這個這樣回答就跟沒有回答也是差不多因為可能兩年後你站在這我在這還是一樣至少我們會真的會積極的去做這件事因為積極要一個目標、時間對 那比如說你可能在半年內會討出一個結果出來或者三個月內或者是一年或者九個月對不對 目標導向嘛\n597831\t623889\t就報委員如果是金管會能主政的話我就能夠那你覺得還要哪一個部會財政部嗎國發會經濟部因為大部分的案源都不會是我們所能夠提出來的那我們是因為我們是投資方我們希望說能夠盡快找到案源謝謝沒關係我們給你時間再去思考這個問題也不是到今天為止但是還有一個議題我本席更關心的就是說你看保險資金要留在國內現在都因為不留在國內的原因我想大部分的\n624910\t646477\t當中的原因是因為也許國內的投資標定它的投報率比較差嗎?錢都是、資金都是往投報率高的地方去所以事實上我們國內這個創造好的投資環境是你們的責任啦財政部這邊也是你們的責任那所以除了這點以外本期更關心的是即便保險業資金回來在國內的各個縣市在裡面評估投資以同我們離島地區\n648237\t674309\t又因為偏遠規模又小我們覺得我們可能會沒有辦法受到保險受險業者的這個青睞所以我想提出一個建議請不管財政部也好或者是金管會也好就是說做一個評估就是說要擴大財政部報告有說擴大租稅優惠吸引保險業投資那本席要特別提出針對金門等離島地區要怎麼樣有更優惠的方向\n675069\t700851\t政策來提出讓民間的更有意義到金門投資。金管會也是一樣,你們說要研議保險業者投資國內的相關獎勵措施,一樣,到金門去,要怎麼樣?因為平行來講,我們金門就更偏遠了,那就更不容易。我舉一個例子給你們,那請你們在一個月內提出相關的保險業、副旅島地區投資之具體優惠措施方案,還有金管業也要提出來喔。那我舉一個具體例子給你們參考,一句話而已。\n702304\t716805\t這個醫學衛福部針對像基本因為人少那做醫療就不容易獲利所以大概很多醫療產業都不願意過去但偏遠地也是需要好的醫療所以衛福部有一個方案他用\n717125\t746869\t議員議員議員\n747279\t747319\t吳立華委員\n","txt":"這個財政部公務署請莊部長財政部部長先上只有關這個離島地區進口商品免徵關稅的這個部分麻煩那個也請公務署彭署長委員好中午好\n部長、署長好我想請問財政部金馬鵬三線在民國104年曾經提出修正免徵關稅品項及理由彙整表本期在上個月也有在這邊質詢所以關我們財政部離島地區進口商品免徵關稅沒有檢討財政部那時候回答說會後會整理一份資料供本期參考\n理導地區進口商品免徵關稅項目按照理導條例第10條第2項還有相關實施辦法原來是89年公告164項到99年陸續增到320項但是\n看過往的這些進出口這些資料這個歷史雖然適用的辦法有這麼多項320項嘛這樣對吧但是實際上有運用到在110年的話有適用到這個辦法的項目只有一項進口110年到111年只有8項112年15項\n議員議員\n就是沒有實際的加匯到離島的居民那三個離島的縣市政府彭湖、金門、馬祖歷年來也都一直有建議增列一些項目比如103年彭湖縣政府有建議增列1000cc以下的小型電動車104年連江縣政府建議增列水產品\n一百零四年金門縣政府和彭博先生建議增列砂糖、花生等10項農產品還有鈾料、風力發電、主機、公共汽車、小客車等19項工業產品一百零五年林江先生也建議增列農產品、漁產品、釣魚用具、寢具、家具等42項但是我們財政部都一直沒有同意一直打回票反而是你們原來列這個300多項只有一項兩項是這麼多年來\n獎項 獎項\n那大家都知道事實上我們至少金門的這個綜合中間計畫裡頭一直要把金門我們中央政府核定的中間計畫裡頭一直要把金門建成就是建立成為這個離島的這個金門成為一個免稅島那事實上這些相關的產品進到金門地區我們那時候也是說一定有幾個規定\n限於地方使用,限於離島當地使用第二個,強化管理措施部長您知道金門現在帶很多東西到台灣來到台灣島來事實上都是要檢查的嗎?你們知道實際的情形嗎?或者是署長您知道嗎?報告委員你是說從離島到台灣本島那是屬於國內線的話對,但是你知道這個通關事實上還是有通關,你知道要檢查嗎?\n你不知道齁?所以你們才會有產生因為你們不了解實際的情形所以你們才會產生這樣的誤解我覺得我們真的是早時間可以去看金門的地區至少在我想馬祖宇、澎湖應該也是一樣金門地區人到台灣來當然要通關我們還要證件、坐飛機也要相關的檢查警察儘管也要做相關的查驗貨物也是一樣農產品或者你帶的東西這個我跟農委會反映很多次帶什麼雞蛋、帶什麼\n海巡署也要做相關的檢查,檢查看有沒有是大陸的東西,就是說是不是大陸進來的。\n議員議員議員議員\n各個離島縣市經馬鵬提出來這些相關的建議,事實上都是因為當地的產業有需求,您了解嗎?並不是說,進來以後就大家會轉到台灣,沒有,因為太難了。在離島的海運、空運、什麼東西都檢查。\n根本就是我一直在講像一國兩制兩個國家並不是說我們今天從這裡到台北到新北什麼東西都不用檢查我們過來這裡什麼東西都要檢查是有限制的而且如果他覺得這樣不對你退運也不讓你出去啊東西不能出不能出到本島來所以關卡是很嚴格的所以我想請財政部重新評估啊\n在貨物現役地道當地使用,然後才可以免關稅,然後強化管理措施避免流到臺灣,還有朝免稅導的方向前進的部分,這個稅收影響少。在政策方面,請你們是不是一個月內幫我們評估出來,有關品項。\n可以嗎跟委員報告那個品項剛剛就委員的說明雖然目前列了320項可是好像用到的非常少所以覺得有點不符合實際可是也跟委員報告就是說離島地區的營業人那他如果進口商品然後在當地銷售然後當地用這個部分沒有問題免關稅但是就是說因為離島到我們本島之間的交通在貨物管制上就是剛剛委員也有提到可能有不同種的原因去做檢查\n但是因為免關稅的關係那他如果進到本島的話那對他的成本就會比較低嘛會影響到國內的產業你有看過時事這麼一二十年來二三十年來都沒有產品這樣進口從那個外面進來就也沒有辦法也沒有轉到台灣就表示表示這東西第一很不實用第二這個關卡事實上是守得很嚴的你們要大概實際我想找時間實際去了解然後實際做一個報告出來\n經濟部,經濟部的話\n經濟部今天來是國營社這個都比較不相干但是這個可能也請經濟部把我們這個意見帶回去一個月也作出評估的這個報告啦經濟部有人來嗎經濟部\n麻煩你把這個意見帶回去這個主席這邊也請那個然後接著我們談到今天的這個保險資金的這個部分那個金管會財政部當然也聽一下這個怎麼樣讓保險資金我們今天討論這個提案就是說讓保險資金多一點留在我們國內因為那時候不是也要也說要把台灣變成這個資產管理的中心嗎要跟留台灣要錢回到台灣嘛\n二、繼續審查本院委員會、經濟部、交通部列席備詢。\n雖然金額投注在公共建設的資金金額有上升但是占售險業32.65兆里頭不到1%相當的少事實上我知道經管會也有開始在修這些類似這些相關法令來促進這些產業留下來國發會現在當然也在說官會也是支持這個案子盤點一些可以釋出的產業高速公路、再生能源、海淡廠這些讓這個來投資\n那在這個投資上面本席有幾個疑問第一個彭主任您在接受媒體專訪的時候您說金管會希望先找到實驗型個案走一小步確定看到這個外界看到雲島受險資金流在台灣可行債進入跨部會的這個\n目前有找到什麼實驗型的個案嗎?我們現在還在積極的去規劃比如說我們現在最近我們已經透過跟保險業者密集的去討論希望確認他們的需求然後有這個需求以後我們再來看看尋找什麼案源多久大概可以找到你的這個實驗型的個案?我們希望盡快不過這不是我們金管會一個人所能夠決定我們會盡快盡速這樣\n好 那你是沒有講時間嘛所以這個這樣回答就跟沒有回答也是差不多因為可能兩年後你站在這我在這還是一樣至少我們會真的會積極的去做這件事因為積極要一個目標、時間對 那比如說你可能在半年內會討出一個結果出來或者三個月內或者是一年或者九個月對不對 目標導向嘛\n就報委員如果是金管會能主政的話我就能夠那你覺得還要哪一個部會財政部嗎國發會經濟部因為大部分的案源都不會是我們所能夠提出來的那我們是因為我們是投資方我們希望說能夠盡快找到案源謝謝沒關係我們給你時間再去思考這個問題也不是到今天為止但是還有一個議題我本席更關心的就是說你看保險資金要留在國內現在都因為不留在國內的原因我想大部分的\n當中的原因是因為也許國內的投資標定它的投報率比較差嗎?錢都是、資金都是往投報率高的地方去所以事實上我們國內這個創造好的投資環境是你們的責任啦財政部這邊也是你們的責任那所以除了這點以外本期更關心的是即便保險業資金回來在國內的各個縣市在裡面評估投資以同我們離島地區\n又因為偏遠規模又小我們覺得我們可能會沒有辦法受到保險受險業者的這個青睞所以我想提出一個建議請不管財政部也好或者是金管會也好就是說做一個評估就是說要擴大財政部報告有說擴大租稅優惠吸引保險業投資那本席要特別提出針對金門等離島地區要怎麼樣有更優惠的方向\n政策來提出讓民間的更有意義到金門投資。金管會也是一樣,你們說要研議保險業者投資國內的相關獎勵措施,一樣,到金門去,要怎麼樣?因為平行來講,我們金門就更偏遠了,那就更不容易。我舉一個例子給你們,那請你們在一個月內提出相關的保險業、副旅島地區投資之具體優惠措施方案,還有金管業也要提出來喔。那我舉一個具體例子給你們參考,一句話而已。\n這個醫學衛福部針對像基本因為人少那做醫療就不容易獲利所以大概很多醫療產業都不願意過去但偏遠地也是需要好的醫療所以衛福部有一個方案他用\n議員議員議員\n吳立華委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.351 --> 00:14.787\n這個財政部公務署請莊部長財政部部長先上只有關這個離島地區進口商品免徵關稅的這個部分麻煩那個也請公務署彭署長委員好中午好\n\n00:21.448 --> 00:50.015\n部長、署長好我想請問財政部金馬鵬三線在民國104年曾經提出修正免徵關稅品項及理由彙整表本期在上個月也有在這邊質詢所以關我們財政部離島地區進口商品免徵關稅沒有檢討財政部那時候回答說會後會整理一份資料供本期參考\n\n00:51.416 --> 00:58.204\n理導地區進口商品免徵關稅項目按照理導條例第10條第2項還有相關實施辦法原來是89年公告164項到99年陸續增到320項但是\n\n01:07.876 --> 01:26.406\n看過往的這些進出口這些資料這個歷史雖然適用的辦法有這麼多項320項嘛這樣對吧但是實際上有運用到在110年的話有適用到這個辦法的項目只有一項進口110年到111年只有8項112年15項\n\n01:52.518 --> 02:09.056\n就是沒有實際的加匯到離島的居民那三個離島的縣市政府彭湖、金門、馬祖歷年來也都一直有建議增列一些項目比如103年彭湖縣政府有建議增列1000cc以下的小型電動車104年連江縣政府建議增列水產品\n\n02:13.300 --> 02:37.639\n一百零四年金門縣政府和彭博先生建議增列砂糖、花生等10項農產品還有鈾料、風力發電、主機、公共汽車、小客車等19項工業產品一百零五年林江先生也建議增列農產品、漁產品、釣魚用具、寢具、家具等42項但是我們財政部都一直沒有同意一直打回票反而是你們原來列這個300多項只有一項兩項是這麼多年來\n\n03:11.852 --> 03:34.186\n那大家都知道事實上我們至少金門的這個綜合中間計畫裡頭一直要把金門我們中央政府核定的中間計畫裡頭一直要把金門建成就是建立成為這個離島的這個金門成為一個免稅島那事實上這些相關的產品進到金門地區我們那時候也是說一定有幾個規定\n\n03:35.707 --> 04:03.901\n限於地方使用,限於離島當地使用第二個,強化管理措施部長您知道金門現在帶很多東西到台灣來到台灣島來事實上都是要檢查的嗎?你們知道實際的情形嗎?或者是署長您知道嗎?報告委員你是說從離島到台灣本島那是屬於國內線的話對,但是你知道這個通關事實上還是有通關,你知道要檢查嗎?\n\n04:05.834 --> 04:30.813\n你不知道齁?所以你們才會有產生因為你們不了解實際的情形所以你們才會產生這樣的誤解我覺得我們真的是早時間可以去看金門的地區至少在我想馬祖宇、澎湖應該也是一樣金門地區人到台灣來當然要通關我們還要證件、坐飛機也要相關的檢查警察儘管也要做相關的查驗貨物也是一樣農產品或者你帶的東西這個我跟農委會反映很多次帶什麼雞蛋、帶什麼\n\n04:34.557 --> 04:37.980\n海巡署也要做相關的檢查,檢查看有沒有是大陸的東西,就是說是不是大陸進來的。\n\n05:10.092 --> 05:26.559\n各個離島縣市經馬鵬提出來這些相關的建議,事實上都是因為當地的產業有需求,您了解嗎?並不是說,進來以後就大家會轉到台灣,沒有,因為太難了。在離島的海運、空運、什麼東西都檢查。\n\n05:27.259 --> 05:46.419\n根本就是我一直在講像一國兩制兩個國家並不是說我們今天從這裡到台北到新北什麼東西都不用檢查我們過來這裡什麼東西都要檢查是有限制的而且如果他覺得這樣不對你退運也不讓你出去啊東西不能出不能出到本島來所以關卡是很嚴格的所以我想請財政部重新評估啊\n\n05:47.040 --> 06:01.017\n在貨物現役地道當地使用,然後才可以免關稅,然後強化管理措施避免流到臺灣,還有朝免稅導的方向前進的部分,這個稅收影響少。在政策方面,請你們是不是一個月內幫我們評估出來,有關品項。\n\n06:04.554 --> 06:11.596\n可以嗎跟委員報告那個品項剛剛就委員的說明雖然目前列了320項可是好像用到的非常少所以覺得有點不符合實際可是也跟委員報告就是說離島地區的營業人那他如果進口商品然後在當地銷售然後當地用這個部分沒有問題免關稅但是就是說因為離島到我們本島之間的交通在貨物管制上就是剛剛委員也有提到可能有不同種的原因去做檢查\n\n06:34.321 --> 06:58.566\n但是因為免關稅的關係那他如果進到本島的話那對他的成本就會比較低嘛會影響到國內的產業你有看過時事這麼一二十年來二三十年來都沒有產品這樣進口從那個外面進來就也沒有辦法也沒有轉到台灣就表示表示這東西第一很不實用第二這個關卡事實上是守得很嚴的你們要大概實際我想找時間實際去了解然後實際做一個報告出來\n\n07:02.967 --> 07:03.347\n經濟部,經濟部的話\n\n07:24.748 --> 07:33.941\n經濟部今天來是國營社這個都比較不相干但是這個可能也請經濟部把我們這個意見帶回去一個月也作出評估的這個報告啦經濟部有人來嗎經濟部\n\n07:36.515 --> 07:57.996\n麻煩你把這個意見帶回去這個主席這邊也請那個然後接著我們談到今天的這個保險資金的這個部分那個金管會財政部當然也聽一下這個怎麼樣讓保險資金我們今天討論這個提案就是說讓保險資金多一點留在我們國內因為那時候不是也要也說要把台灣變成這個資產管理的中心嗎要跟留台灣要錢回到台灣嘛\n\n07:58.757 --> 07:59.277\n二、繼續審查本院委員會、經濟部、交通部列席備詢。\n\n08:21.011 --> 08:48.341\n雖然金額投注在公共建設的資金金額有上升但是占售險業32.65兆里頭不到1%相當的少事實上我知道經管會也有開始在修這些類似這些相關法令來促進這些產業留下來國發會現在當然也在說官會也是支持這個案子盤點一些可以釋出的產業高速公路、再生能源、海淡廠這些讓這個來投資\n\n08:50.362 --> 09:05.957\n那在這個投資上面本席有幾個疑問第一個彭主任您在接受媒體專訪的時候您說金管會希望先找到實驗型個案走一小步確定看到這個外界看到雲島受險資金流在台灣可行債進入跨部會的這個\n\n09:06.658 --> 09:33.544\n目前有找到什麼實驗型的個案嗎?我們現在還在積極的去規劃比如說我們現在最近我們已經透過跟保險業者密集的去討論希望確認他們的需求然後有這個需求以後我們再來看看尋找什麼案源多久大概可以找到你的這個實驗型的個案?我們希望盡快不過這不是我們金管會一個人所能夠決定我們會盡快盡速這樣\n\n09:35.925 --> 09:56.851\n好那你是沒有講時間嘛所以這個這樣回答就跟沒有回答也是差不多因為可能兩年後你站在這我在這還是一樣至少我們會真的會積極的去做這件事因為積極要一個目標、時間對那比如說你可能在半年內會討出一個結果出來或者三個月內或者是一年或者九個月對不對目標導向嘛\n\n09:57.831 --> 10:23.889\n就報委員如果是金管會能主政的話我就能夠那你覺得還要哪一個部會財政部嗎國發會經濟部因為大部分的案源都不會是我們所能夠提出來的那我們是因為我們是投資方我們希望說能夠盡快找到案源謝謝沒關係我們給你時間再去思考這個問題也不是到今天為止但是還有一個議題我本席更關心的就是說你看保險資金要留在國內現在都因為不留在國內的原因我想大部分的\n\n10:24.910 --> 10:46.477\n當中的原因是因為也許國內的投資標定它的投報率比較差嗎?錢都是、資金都是往投報率高的地方去所以事實上我們國內這個創造好的投資環境是你們的責任啦財政部這邊也是你們的責任那所以除了這點以外本期更關心的是即便保險業資金回來在國內的各個縣市在裡面評估投資以同我們離島地區\n\n10:48.237 --> 11:14.309\n又因為偏遠規模又小我們覺得我們可能會沒有辦法受到保險受險業者的這個青睞所以我想提出一個建議請不管財政部也好或者是金管會也好就是說做一個評估就是說要擴大財政部報告有說擴大租稅優惠吸引保險業投資那本席要特別提出針對金門等離島地區要怎麼樣有更優惠的方向\n\n11:15.069 --> 11:40.851\n政策來提出讓民間的更有意義到金門投資。金管會也是一樣,你們說要研議保險業者投資國內的相關獎勵措施,一樣,到金門去,要怎麼樣?因為平行來講,我們金門就更偏遠了,那就更不容易。我舉一個例子給你們,那請你們在一個月內提出相關的保險業、副旅島地區投資之具體優惠措施方案,還有金管業也要提出來喔。那我舉一個具體例子給你們參考,一句話而已。\n\n11:42.304 --> 11:56.805\n這個醫學衛福部針對像基本因為人少那做醫療就不容易獲利所以大概很多醫療產業都不願意過去但偏遠地也是需要好的醫療所以衛福部有一個方案他用\n\n12:27.279 --> 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