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00:05:56,792\n從本席開始在做相關的觀察跟研究到現在已經有5300多個有形文化資產還不包括無形文化資產那文化資產呢我們經常來講說不能以投資報酬來談這件事情但是很多時候大家就是收盲票撩背一格的來湊數那也很難成為長期的活水那本席知道在2023年文化部這邊有提出文化資產維護發展計畫的第5期要從2024年到2029年\n\n17\n00:06:00,954 --> 00:06:01,795\n那部長這邊有概念或者是有想法了嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:17,532 --> 00:06:18,273\n文資應該要注意到的這個問題\n\n19\n00:06:43,609 --> 00:06:45,671\n人．在報告裏談了好多的細項本席未來希望能夠針對這個細項在跟部裏面討論但是其中我們這邊談一點就是3922元這個最低薪資剛才有委員這邊提到對於這個薪資是不是\n\n20\n00:07:02,248 --> 00:07:03,550\n本席在這邊做一個提醒\n\n21\n00:07:22,350 --> 00:07:36,051\n最後本席這邊談一下這個文化資產很忌會被政治駕馭或意識形態影響本席其實在這裡面本身在文化的領域我覺得其實蠻寬廣的而且很自由\n\n22\n00:07:38,274 --> 00:07:52,642\n在文化資產的這個部分它的本質就是希望能夠不分區域不拘大小也不限年代跟不計輕重的朝著保存情感跟共同記憶去保存連結跟延伸\n\n23\n00:07:54,362 --> 00:08:15,327\n但是本席真的有感受到最近的政治氛圍讓本來很寬廣的一個文化空間感覺有點受到擠壓跟方向上的一個推動所以本席這邊分享過去一個經驗但是在分享這個經驗前本席先請教一下您知道這個圖是哪一個地方嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:19,187 --> 00:08:45,287\n如果不知道可能像台灣像這樣子的和洋式的建築有很多那本席這邊提醒一下他是基隆的敘秋指揮所那敘秋呢在過去這個林佑昌市長的任內獲到了硬體方面很多的補助但是到了現任呢因為可能不同的政黨可能相關的補助也非常的微弱所以也沒有辦法對外開放然後就變成所謂的文職管其實這個共業應該我們共同要來\n\n25\n00:08:46,408 --> 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Arena\n在克萊西亞這樣一個國家那他們跟文化資產的一個結合是有很好的一個效果那這個假設未來的這個國家樂舞團原住民的國家樂舞團能夠有這樣一個規劃那我想這樣一個國家級跟文化資產會讓這個文化資產在活化利用等等的議題上不僅是跟上國家國際的趨勢那也是一個非常好的一個活化利用的\n本席要談的是錢跟人不知道部長對於全國財力的分配\n的這個比例財力狀況的等級有沒有了解就全國的財力各縣市的這個財力比例分為五個等級\n如果這個部分本席直接跟您做個提醒這個1到5級的財力其實有12個縣市是在第5級那這個第5級的這個縣市其實如果沒有中央的挹注真的很難持續跟做到長遠所以全國總共有5300個有形文化資產\n從本席開始在做相關的觀察跟研究到現在已經有5300多個有形文化資產還不包括無形文化資產那文化資產呢我們經常來講說不能以投資報酬來談這件事情但是很多時候大家就是收盲票撩背一格的來湊數那也很難成為長期的活水那本席知道在2023年文化部這邊有提出文化資產維護發展計畫的第5期要從2024年到2029年\n那部長這邊有概念或者是有想法了嗎?\n文資應該要注意到的這個問題\n人．在報告裏談了好多的細項本席未來希望能夠針對這個細項在跟部裏面討論但是其中我們這邊談一點就是3922元這個最低薪資剛才有委員這邊提到對於這個薪資是不是\n本席在這邊做一個提醒\n最後本席這邊談一下這個文化資產很忌會被政治駕馭或意識形態影響本席其實在這裡面本身在文化的領域我覺得其實蠻寬廣的而且很自由\n在文化資產的這個部分它的本質就是希望能夠不分區域不拘大小也不限年代跟不計輕重的朝著保存情感跟共同記憶去保存連結跟延伸\n但是本席真的有感受到最近的政治氛圍讓本來很寬廣的一個文化空間感覺有點受到擠壓跟方向上的一個推動所以本席這邊分享過去一個經驗但是在分享這個經驗前本席先請教一下您知道這個圖是哪一個地方嗎?\n如果不知道可能像台灣像這樣子的和洋式的建築有很多那本席這邊提醒一下他是基隆的敘秋指揮所那敘秋呢在過去這個林佑昌市長的任內獲到了硬體方面很多的補助但是到了現任呢因為可能不同的政黨可能相關的補助也非常的微弱所以也沒有辦法對外開放然後就變成所謂的文職管其實這個共業應該我們共同要來\n本席請教您一下您對建成館有\n本席在高雄縣政府文化局的時候有經歷過鳳山縣新城這樣一個概念\n佛山縣舊城在左營\n林倩綺議員\n這個概念是不是也是很有趣的一個探討那是不是部長您回去可以想一想這個建成我在想它是因為當時有一個計畫叫做這個建成的這個計畫建到的城我本來以為是建立了建因為有這個計畫結果它後來叫做建成館所以本席在這邊要講的是本席非常同意您剛才講的所有發生的事都是歷史的過程這一頁看完了\n就翻到下一頁吧是是我們不要一直留在那邊我們看看這一頁然後再往前走\n本席很喜歡過去在高雄縣跟了一個首長叫做楊秋興縣長他跟本席經常講教育跟文化是人類思想的境地\n我們作為一個文化人,請我們共同好好守護人類思想的境地。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.445 --> 00:14.767\n謝謝莊委,我們是不是先請文資局的陳局長。好,有請陳局長。這個部分也請部長這邊來稍微關注。局長,先請坐。是這樣,因為剛才其實委員有講過,有關於入港國定古蹟的龍山市彩繪的修復,也有很多的狀況跟問題。\n\n00:32.092 --> 00:47.877\n本席這邊有很逐帆不及備載的這樣一個抱怨受到的抱怨收到民眾的這個抱怨所以我想會後這個部分是不是請你書面的詳細的解釋那本席在這邊簡單講幾點那是不是請你就為什麼會解約\n\n00:53.439 --> 01:14.627\n然後究竟是為什麼你們在原標案的數量不明確規範不明確而導致一些爭議那你們的自我檢討是什麼好然後另外第二點就是是不是會再重新發包修復還是會再延宕兩年好那這個部分請你待會用很簡單的很簡短的30秒鐘給本席做一個回應\n\n01:15.307 --> 01:19.852\n臺灣美術館副館長任內典藏庫房工程文建會二處處長本席對您的認識應該是在文建會二處但是本席對您不太熟悉所以這個部分我想\n\n01:32.907 --> 01:33.327\n中山堂修復工程\n\n01:56.716 --> 02:06.376\n本席在會後給你相關的書面那你就書面的部分做一個回覆那但是為什麼這個龍山市會解約然後又會解約收場\n\n02:07.790 --> 02:07.970\n一般來講這個學校單位\n\n02:30.509 --> 02:30.589\n副副長\n\n02:58.275 --> 03:13.631\n昨天有聽到委員提到表演藝術本席從事公共事務常常都忘記本席自己的專業本席是在表演藝術的專業所以昨天非常感謝您也承諾在有關於原住民族的國家表演藝術樂舞團\n\n03:15.333 --> 03:15.974\n建議您可以仿照英國的Tony獎\n\n03:43.235 --> 04:10.055\n本席其實在英國的西區至少40幾個劇院已經去過20幾個那看到的劇當然也非常的多所以在這邊給您提供一些那個想法跟意見今天我們談的是文資文化資產那事實上表演藝術跟文化資產的這個結合也是一個世界的趨勢那我們看以下的這個PPT那這個是Illdiva對不起Illdivo這樣一個團在這個LaPushkaArena\n\n04:11.315 --> 04:36.026\n在克萊西亞這樣一個國家那他們跟文化資產的一個結合是有很好的一個效果那這個假設未來的這個國家樂舞團原住民的國家樂舞團能夠有這樣一個規劃那我想這樣一個國家級跟文化資產會讓這個文化資產在活化利用等等的議題上不僅是跟上國家國際的趨勢那也是一個非常好的一個活化利用的\n\n04:38.107 --> 04:38.828\n本席要談的是錢跟人不知道部長對於全國財力的分配\n\n05:00.731 --> 05:08.956\n的這個比例財力狀況的等級有沒有了解就全國的財力各縣市的這個財力比例分為五個等級\n\n05:11.206 --> 05:30.659\n如果這個部分本席直接跟您做個提醒這個1到5級的財力其實有12個縣市是在第5級那這個第5級的這個縣市其實如果沒有中央的挹注真的很難持續跟做到長遠所以全國總共有5300個有形文化資產\n\n05:32.300 --> 05:56.792\n從本席開始在做相關的觀察跟研究到現在已經有5300多個有形文化資產還不包括無形文化資產那文化資產呢我們經常來講說不能以投資報酬來談這件事情但是很多時候大家就是收盲票撩背一格的來湊數那也很難成為長期的活水那本席知道在2023年文化部這邊有提出文化資產維護發展計畫的第5期要從2024年到2029年\n\n06:00.954 --> 06:01.795\n那部長這邊有概念或者是有想法了嗎?\n\n06:17.532 --> 06:18.273\n文資應該要注意到的這個問題\n\n06:43.609 --> 06:45.671\n人．在報告裏談了好多的細項本席未來希望能夠針對這個細項在跟部裏面討論但是其中我們這邊談一點就是3922元這個最低薪資剛才有委員這邊提到對於這個薪資是不是\n\n07:02.248 --> 07:03.550\n本席在這邊做一個提醒\n\n07:22.350 --> 07:36.051\n最後本席這邊談一下這個文化資產很忌會被政治駕馭或意識形態影響本席其實在這裡面本身在文化的領域我覺得其實蠻寬廣的而且很自由\n\n07:38.274 --> 07:52.642\n在文化資產的這個部分它的本質就是希望能夠不分區域不拘大小也不限年代跟不計輕重的朝著保存情感跟共同記憶去保存連結跟延伸\n\n07:54.362 --> 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