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宣導。","最後謝謝院長在馬文君委員提出茶博的時候有表達說，到時候您也會來參加南投的茶博。"],["卓院長榮泰：我很樂意。"],["游委員顥：謝謝您的參與，相信到時候大家會非常期待。本席在這裡特別拜託，也延續馬文君委員跟許淑華縣長的一個需求，過去兩年中央對茶博的補助是800萬，是不是今年可以持續往800萬以上的水平來支持，好不好？"],["卓院長榮泰：這個日前馬委員有提到。"],["游委員顥：對，但是沒有提到今年。"],["卓院長榮泰：我也有答復他，這個補助沒有比過去少，我們希望活動能夠辦得很成功。謝謝。"],["游委員顥：好的，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝游委員，謝謝院長。","下一位請林俊憲委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":92,"meet_id":"院會-11-1-21","speakers":["韓國瑜","江啟臣","羅智強","顏寬恒","呂玉玲","游顥","林俊憲","李柏毅","吳秉叡","張宏陸","蘇巧慧","林月琴","黃秀芳","徐富癸","許智傑","魯明哲","林倩綺","李昆澤"],"page_start":26,"meetingDate":["2024-07-05"],"gazette_id":"1136601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1136601_00003","1136601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第1會期第21次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長報告施政方針繼續質詢─ 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00:03:01,734\n就是這個部分可能是數位部的權限但是如果是跟NCC有關的是那個營運計畫的問題也就是當時我們在做合併的處分的時候\n\n8\n00:03:02,230 --> 00:03:25,902\n有提到這個依法他有抄品的部分要繳回來不繳回來講的話那有可能營運相關營運計畫可能會涉及到財儲的問題對那因為NCC涉及到財儲包括罰款最低從50甚至到500萬可是這個價值期就算他不斷的裁罰NCC不斷的裁罰但是他站著這個評估聲也是國家財產一樣價值期他一樣持續在營運那當然\n\n9\n00:03:28,383 --> 00:03:48,731\n蘇衛發展部的部長我也不會問他會不會去NCC當獨棟,因為他剛上任也很積極啊,要積極發揮。那只是說在目前NCC,我坦白講,我們社會各界看到的對於中天啊,可以馬上立即的揮起大刀,但是在台哥大他目前來講的財閥,因為這個部分大家都在看報導,\n\n10\n00:03:49,651 --> 00:04:08,950\n一路都知道在當初他在整併這個臺灣之心的時候他就已經讓臺灣之心他吸收了這85億85億的這個金額的部分來做這個評估的虧損而現在他又直接再告這個NCC再走這個行政訴訟來進行這個拖延那本席直接就叫我們的院長\n\n11\n00:04:23,148 --> 00:04:24,429\n那這個不就是陷入這個困境嗎?\n\n12\n00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:48,222\n那本席還是在這裡希望院長也可以針對這事情表個態啦。\n\n13\n00:05:05,316 --> 00:05:32,305\n因為我們看到如果說不斷的這樣子的裁罰那裁罰到時候不斷的拖延那一方面這個當初在這整個和平的過程中那台哥大就已經也都把這個包括遊戲規則三分之一就要繳回超過就要繳回都直接讓NCC主委都清楚知道但是現在來講讓台灣資金他吸收了這個85億那再跟NCC再進行這個訴訟來去拖延\n\n14\n00:05:32,825 --> 00:05:33,025\n﹚主席\n\n15\n00:05:50,396 --> 00:06:15,130\n任何的合併都應該以保障消費者的權益當為優先的考量這個過程當中如果有不當的利益使用或是在使用上有違規違法的情形那NCC剛剛是有罰則的那這罰則縱使有上限那如果能夠我們有持續不斷的要求業者來改善這個作為我認為這樣的強度是必須拿出來的表示公權力跟這個消費者的權益是站在一起的\n\n16\n00:06:16,052 --> 00:06:43,595\n好,那因為這個部分涉及到廢紙嘛。中天等於是換照的時候就被大刀一揮嘛。那本席我跟台灣大革大其實也不認識。那只是針對這個議題來講我相信大家都在關注。那我希望行政院這邊包括ICC能夠技術積極作為。好,謝謝。那我接著要請教交通的議題。那就謝謝主委跟部長,謝謝。那請交通部長。\n\n17\n00:06:53,798 --> 00:07:11,538\n本席還是如以往的在上次的總執行也有針對這個終結還局限能夠進南投那這一件議題這個有關於南投非常重大的一個交通建設因為中張投尤其是台中南投本就是一個生活圈那這個終結進南投的這個議題\n\n18\n00:07:14,161 --> 00:07:33,076\n更是許淑華許縣長在過去8年立委期間以及現在當縣長期間非常重視的議題。本席只想在這邊針對終結局限金南投希望行政院長能夠表個態南投縣政府的計畫送進來的時候是不是行政院這邊也能夠全力來支持?\n\n19\n00:07:33,925 --> 00:07:54,138\n交通部應該是要跟台中市政府、南投縣政府在進行可行性的評估。那現在交通部的進度是不是跟委員報告?是,跟委員報告。在去年的2月已經有合訂補助南投縣政府針對延伸的部分來做可行性的規劃。\n\n20\n00:07:55,198 --> 00:08:13,706\n現在正在做規劃之中我想他只要規劃報告完成那我們會送到交通部來協助當然在規劃的過程必須也要跟台中市做相關的協商包括工程的辦理還有未來怎麼樣的經營誰來當經營的主體相關的財務怎麼樣的一個分擔我想這個部分也要先協商之後我們就會來協助審議\n\n21\n00:08:22,569 --> 00:08:50,086\n那本席還是這邊再強調一下交通部協助南投縣政府的這個報告評估計畫在7月就會完成南投縣軌道系統整體網絡評估計畫那到時候包括南投縣政府跟台中市政府本就有共識了那也希望交通部到時候能夠全力支持那也希望說因為這是包括賴清德總統的一個政見那所以本席在這裡也希望院長您能夠表個態\n\n22\n00:08:50,826 --> 00:08:51,948\n所以總結舉憲進南投您是支持?\n\n23\n00:09:06,589 --> 00:09:21,579\n只要評估有效益,那相關的規定符合,我想我們就來協助處理。這個中張頭生活圈這一定有效益,但是院長你是可以表達一個支持的態度,那我相信南投縣民也比較放心。\n\n24\n00:09:23,117 --> 00:09:24,198\n我接著問一個重大的建設\n\n25\n00:09:42,501 --> 00:10:09,795\n那這個之前的話本席在上次總諮詢還沒有提過但是這一次要特別的來為我們的南投跟彰化的鄉親尤其是南投的鄉親來跟院長這邊來爭取就是我們國道3號南雲交流道它通車完工之後其實是讓這個我們整體的南邊的南投鄉親啊在交通上是確實是有比較便利的一個出口那這問題是\n\n26\n00:10:12,486 --> 00:10:40,305\n院長其實大家在看待我們有時候在去中部的時候去這個快關交友道下還直接到台中搭高鐵這是非常便利但是南投的鄉親其實卻沒有辦法輕易的來去田中高鐵站來搭這個高鐵大家必須還是要繞到雲林還再到這個田中高鐵站再去搭所以這個一下一上的這個路徑是非常的遙遠\n\n27\n00:10:41,306 --> 00:11:08,843\n那現在其實當初在這個交流道他有預留一個缺口他就是要做這個張覽大橋只要竹山一過去這個二水他就直接到田中可以直接到高鐵站那過去來講縣府曾經有提出希望能夠讓交通部來協助那中央的經費出的比例包括南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府能夠出的比例那現在南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府也有共識那是不是可以來請\n\n28\n00:11:09,904 --> 00:11:36,585\n院長以及部長來思考這個南雲交流道搭這個張南大橋過去的這一個建設後續他可以持續做到的就是一路到田中高鐵再到二嶺的工業區那就是等於就是一個東西向的快速道路那相信這個對整體南投去彰化也好去搭高鐵也好都是非常的便利那相關的資料其實交通部過去都有\n\n29\n00:11:37,125 --> 00:12:01,002\n那我想說就交一下院長還是這一案能夠正向來支持也能夠積極協助。交通的規劃交通部先說明一下。委員您所提的應該就是竹山到二水的這個快速東西向的這個快速道路。那這個我的了解如果要跨越要穿越八卦山脈是比較一個大的工程所以必須要\n\n30\n00:12:01,662 --> 00:12:23,178\n我修正一下部長的說法,這個不用跨越八卦山脈,它直接就是跨左水溪就可以了。所以當初在評估計畫到時候留了一個缺口,就是讓這個交流道,南運交流道可以直接過去跨越左水溪。那旁邊的話其實是有雲林到彰化的大橋,所以它的那個難度在以前早就已經突破了。\n\n31\n00:12:24,598 --> 00:12:39,205\n這個是我們做一個了解我們也會跟南投縣府跟彰化縣府大家一起來坐下來協商如果在交通上有他的需求看怎麼樣來啟動這個部分的可行性\n\n32\n00:12:39,645 --> 00:13:07,252\n好那因為這個部分預計交通委員會我們也會排7月15號的會刊到時候我們的考察那也希望院長能夠對於這項重大建設能夠正面支持好報告每每到南投去都是到台中再經過道路系統雖然建設比過去是進步許多了但也一直在思考如果能夠有一個更便捷的方式我想對南投的鄉民居民來看絕對是一個好的結果所以交通部在\n\n33\n00:13:08,132 --> 00:13:24,026\n接下來的會館當中我們全力的來看看如何協助。好那因為本席坦白講在過去8年其實我就不考院長就是8年在南投彰化可以提出的重大的一個交鋒建設其實是不好列舉\n\n34\n00:13:24,887 --> 00:13:44,747\n但是我相信在這一年就是在院長您擔任院長的任上包括部長積極協助推動讓這個快速道路能夠看見曙光我相信這個對於南投跟彰化我相信會是以大福音因為建設也不分藍綠我們中央地方齊心好不好謝謝\n\n35\n00:13:46,068 --> 00:14:13,101\n再來一個議題就是臺灣好行我們看到觀光暑期做的推動的部分都非常好包括中東部的推動目前來講我們看到許多的成績也帶動地方觀光發展但是南投市目前南投市南投的最大的鄉鎮市還沒有相關的路線是想請到時候院長跟部長來積極的支持南投市也能夠有後續的路線來開出\n\n36\n00:14:15,107 --> 00:14:36,912\n接著就是我們看到博愛座那博愛座現在被稱博豆座那現在來講做一個修正來講他叫做有必須要使用者來去做這個座位去做一個更名實際需要者那本席在這裡還是要提出希望交通部還在這個部分能夠跟衛福部再去做一個溝通\n\n37\n00:14:37,552 --> 00:15:02,444\n因為老弱婦孺改為實際需要者我個人是認為不應該是受到許多這些事件反而大家應該是回頭來講是在宣導跟教育上還重新讓大家來去做一個認知而不是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳那我相信不能本末倒置因為本來來講大家實際需要這樣子的字眼還需要去做一個定義我覺得其實是大可不必\n\n38\n00:15:02,944 --> 00:15:03,105\n最後﹗\n\n39\n00:15:10,595 --> 00:15:38,676\n那這個謝謝院長那時候在馬文君委員提出查柏的時候你有表達說您到時候也會來參加這南投的查柏對那謝謝您的參與那相信到時候大家非常期待那本席也在這裡也特別拜託延續馬文君委員跟許淑華縣長的一個需求過去兩年的話查柏中央的補助是800萬那是不是在今年的部分可以持續往800萬以上的水平來支持好不好\n\n40\n00:15:39,309 --> 00:15:39,329\n好,謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n17543\t44303\t謝謝各位主席、副院長。那有請院長,還有NCC的主委,還有速發部的部長。還請卓院長、貝許、NCC主委、速發部部長。院長好。那我想在這裡先請教我們就是NCC的主委。\n46365\t64443\t主委,這個未來NCC的主委卸任之後,你會去台哥大當他的獨立董事嗎?台哥大?我們有那個旋轉門條款,不可能。對啊,所以你不會嘛。那NCC會有任何的委員卸任之後,去台哥大當獨立董事嗎?\n65607\t93630\t這還是要受公務員服務法的規定所以這很明顯的那也知道像目前來講在臺科大在這個6月30之後那在7月1號它的評普的部分因為會提這個的話我們都知道NCC它主要它不僅是要防止媒體壟斷那它也需要去防止電信壟斷各式各樣的壟斷在一個市場的一個公平競爭之下那所以說在目前我們看到\n94491\t118176\t台客到他藉由他的訴訟,他要來跟NCC來進行一個訴訟,他要來把這個評普,價值7億的評普來佔著,沒有去做一個歸還,那嚴重的衝擊到這個市場的機制,那主要在一個公平是非跟公道的一個過程,那我想就教一下院長,那像這樣子的一個事件,行政院以及相關所屬機關會持什麼樣的態度來進行處理?\n121001\t121401\t現在NCC要如何來做這個作為?\n146028\t170194\t回答一下委員的問題平埔基本上來講現在主管機關是數位部那當然平埔來講的話他的規劃使用以後那監理是由NCC來負責那現在來講的話像台科大因為這是個案我們現在已經找這個台科大這個部分來講下禮拜會到本會來陳述意見因為這會涉及到一方面來講第一個就是說那個平埔如果超過的話超評的話要怎麼處理的問題第二\n172796\t181734\t就是這個部分可能是數位部的權限但是如果是跟NCC有關的是那個營運計畫的問題也就是當時我們在做合併的處分的時候\n182230\t205902\t有提到這個依法他有抄品的部分要繳回來不繳回來講的話那有可能營運相關營運計畫可能會涉及到財儲的問題對那因為NCC涉及到財儲包括罰款最低從50甚至到500萬可是這個價值期就算他不斷的裁罰NCC不斷的裁罰但是他站著這個評估聲也是國家財產一樣價值期他一樣持續在營運那當然\n208383\t228731\t蘇衛發展部的部長我也不會問他會不會去NCC當獨棟,因為他剛上任也很積極啊,要積極發揮。那只是說在目前NCC,我坦白講,我們社會各界看到的對於中天啊,可以馬上立即的揮起大刀,但是在台哥大他目前來講的財閥,因為這個部分大家都在看報導,\n229651\t248950\t一路都知道在當初他在整併這個臺灣之心的時候他就已經讓臺灣之心他吸收了這85億85億的這個金額的部分來做這個評估的虧損而現在他又直接再告這個NCC再走這個行政訴訟來進行這個拖延那本席直接就叫我們的院長\n249531\t262875\t﹚議員\n263148\t264429\t那這個不就是陷入這個困境嗎?\n285600\t288222\t那本席還是在這裡希望院長也可以針對這事情表個態啦。\n305316\t332305\t因為我們看到如果說不斷的這樣子的裁罰那裁罰到時候不斷的拖延那一方面這個當初在這整個和平的過程中那台哥大就已經也都把這個包括遊戲規則三分之一就要繳回超過就要繳回都直接讓NCC主委都清楚知道但是現在來講讓台灣資金他吸收了這個85億那再跟NCC再進行這個訴訟來去拖延\n332825\t333025\t﹚主席\n350396\t375130\t任何的合併都應該以保障消費者的權益當為優先的考量這個過程當中如果有不當的利益使用或是在使用上有違規違法的情形那NCC剛剛是有罰則的那這罰則縱使有上限那如果能夠我們有持續不斷的要求業者來改善這個作為我認為這樣的強度是必須拿出來的表示公權力跟這個消費者的權益是站在一起的\n376052\t403595\t好,那因為這個部分涉及到廢紙嘛。中天等於是換照的時候就被大刀一揮嘛。那本席我跟台灣大革大其實也不認識。那只是針對這個議題來講我相信大家都在關注。那我希望行政院這邊包括ICC能夠技術積極作為。好,謝謝。那我接著要請教交通的議題。那就謝謝主委跟部長,謝謝。那請交通部長。\n413798\t431538\t本席還是如以往的在上次的總執行也有針對這個終結還局限能夠進南投那這一件議題這個有關於南投非常重大的一個交通建設因為中張投尤其是台中南投本就是一個生活圈那這個終結進南投的這個議題\n434161\t453076\t更是許淑華許縣長在過去8年立委期間以及現在當縣長期間非常重視的議題。本席只想在這邊針對終結局限金南投希望行政院長能夠表個態南投縣政府的計畫送進來的時候是不是行政院這邊也能夠全力來支持?\n453925\t474138\t交通部應該是要跟台中市政府、南投縣政府在進行可行性的評估。那現在交通部的進度是不是跟委員報告?是,跟委員報告。在去年的2月已經有合訂補助南投縣政府針對延伸的部分來做可行性的規劃。\n475198\t493706\t現在正在做規劃之中我想他只要規劃報告完成那我們會送到交通部來協助當然在規劃的過程必須也要跟台中市做相關的協商包括工程的辦理還有未來怎麼樣的經營誰來當經營的主體相關的財務怎麼樣的一個分擔我想這個部分也要先協商之後我們就會來協助審議\n502569\t530086\t那本席還是這邊再強調一下交通部協助南投縣政府的這個報告評估計畫在7月就會完成南投縣軌道系統整體網絡評估計畫那到時候包括南投縣政府跟台中市政府本就有共識了那也希望交通部到時候能夠全力支持那也希望說因為這是包括賴清德總統的一個政見那所以本席在這裡也希望院長您能夠表個態\n530826\t531948\t所以總結舉憲進南投您是支持?\n546589\t561579\t只要評估有效益,那相關的規定符合,我想我們就來協助處理。這個中張頭生活圈這一定有效益,但是院長你是可以表達一個支持的態度,那我相信南投縣民也比較放心。\n563117\t564198\t我接著問一個重大的建設\n582501\t609795\t那這個之前的話本席在上次總諮詢還沒有提過但是這一次要特別的來為我們的南投跟彰化的鄉親尤其是南投的鄉親來跟院長這邊來爭取就是我們國道3號南雲交流道它通車完工之後其實是讓這個我們整體的南邊的南投鄉親啊在交通上是確實是有比較便利的一個出口那這問題是\n612486\t640305\t院長其實大家在看待我們有時候在去中部的時候去這個快關交友道下還直接到台中搭高鐵這是非常便利但是南投的鄉親其實卻沒有辦法輕易的來去田中高鐵站來搭這個高鐵大家必須還是要繞到雲林還再到這個田中高鐵站再去搭所以這個一下一上的這個路徑是非常的遙遠\n641306\t668843\t那現在其實當初在這個交流道他有預留一個缺口他就是要做這個張覽大橋只要竹山一過去這個二水他就直接到田中可以直接到高鐵站那過去來講縣府曾經有提出希望能夠讓交通部來協助那中央的經費出的比例包括南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府能夠出的比例那現在南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府也有共識那是不是可以來請\n669904\t696585\t院長以及部長來思考這個南雲交流道搭這個張南大橋過去的這一個建設後續他可以持續做到的就是一路到田中高鐵再到二嶺的工業區那就是等於就是一個東西向的快速道路那相信這個對整體南投去彰化也好去搭高鐵也好都是非常的便利那相關的資料其實交通部過去都有\n697125\t721002\t那我想說就交一下院長還是這一案能夠正向來支持也能夠積極協助。交通的規劃交通部先說明一下。委員您所提的應該就是竹山到二水的這個快速東西向的這個快速道路。那這個我的了解如果要跨越要穿越八卦山脈是比較一個大的工程所以必須要\n721662\t743178\t我修正一下部長的說法,這個不用跨越八卦山脈,它直接就是跨左水溪就可以了。所以當初在評估計畫到時候留了一個缺口,就是讓這個交流道,南運交流道可以直接過去跨越左水溪。那旁邊的話其實是有雲林到彰化的大橋,所以它的那個難度在以前早就已經突破了。\n744598\t759205\t這個是我們做一個了解我們也會跟南投縣府跟彰化縣府大家一起來坐下來協商如果在交通上有他的需求看怎麼樣來啟動這個部分的可行性\n759645\t787252\t好那因為這個部分預計交通委員會我們也會排7月15號的會刊到時候我們的考察那也希望院長能夠對於這項重大建設能夠正面支持好報告每每到南投去都是到台中再經過道路系統雖然建設比過去是進步許多了但也一直在思考如果能夠有一個更便捷的方式我想對南投的鄉民居民來看絕對是一個好的結果所以交通部在\n788132\t804026\t接下來的會館當中我們全力的來看看如何協助。好那因為本席坦白講在過去8年其實我就不考院長就是8年在南投彰化可以提出的重大的一個交鋒建設其實是不好列舉\n804887\t824747\t但是我相信在這一年就是在院長您擔任院長的任上包括部長積極協助推動讓這個快速道路能夠看見曙光我相信這個對於南投跟彰化我相信會是以大福音因為建設也不分藍綠我們中央地方齊心好不好謝謝\n826068\t853101\t再來一個議題就是臺灣好行我們看到觀光暑期做的推動的部分都非常好包括中東部的推動目前來講我們看到許多的成績也帶動地方觀光發展但是南投市目前南投市南投的最大的鄉鎮市還沒有相關的路線是想請到時候院長跟部長來積極的支持南投市也能夠有後續的路線來開出\n855107\t876912\t接著就是我們看到博愛座那博愛座現在被稱博豆座那現在來講做一個修正來講他叫做有必須要使用者來去做這個座位去做一個更名實際需要者那本席在這裡還是要提出希望交通部還在這個部分能夠跟衛福部再去做一個溝通\n877552\t902444\t因為老弱婦孺改為實際需要者我個人是認為不應該是受到許多這些事件反而大家應該是回頭來講是在宣導跟教育上還重新讓大家來去做一個認知而不是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳那我相信不能本末倒置因為本來來講大家實際需要這樣子的字眼還需要去做一個定義我覺得其實是大可不必\n902944\t903105\t最後﹗\n910595\t938676\t那這個謝謝院長那時候在馬文君委員提出查柏的時候你有表達說您到時候也會來參加這南投的查柏對那謝謝您的參與那相信到時候大家非常期待那本席也在這裡也特別拜託延續馬文君委員跟許淑華縣長的一個需求過去兩年的話查柏中央的補助是800萬那是不是在今年的部分可以持續往800萬以上的水平來支持好不好\n939309\t939329\t好,謝謝。\n","txt":"謝謝各位主席、副院長。那有請院長,還有NCC的主委,還有速發部的部長。還請卓院長、貝許、NCC主委、速發部部長。院長好。那我想在這裡先請教我們就是NCC的主委。\n主委,這個未來NCC的主委卸任之後,你會去台哥大當他的獨立董事嗎?台哥大?我們有那個旋轉門條款,不可能。對啊,所以你不會嘛。那NCC會有任何的委員卸任之後,去台哥大當獨立董事嗎?\n這還是要受公務員服務法的規定所以這很明顯的那也知道像目前來講在臺科大在這個6月30之後那在7月1號它的評普的部分因為會提這個的話我們都知道NCC它主要它不僅是要防止媒體壟斷那它也需要去防止電信壟斷各式各樣的壟斷在一個市場的一個公平競爭之下那所以說在目前我們看到\n台客到他藉由他的訴訟,他要來跟NCC來進行一個訴訟,他要來把這個評普,價值7億的評普來佔著,沒有去做一個歸還,那嚴重的衝擊到這個市場的機制,那主要在一個公平是非跟公道的一個過程,那我想就教一下院長,那像這樣子的一個事件,行政院以及相關所屬機關會持什麼樣的態度來進行處理?\n現在NCC要如何來做這個作為?\n回答一下委員的問題平埔基本上來講現在主管機關是數位部那當然平埔來講的話他的規劃使用以後那監理是由NCC來負責那現在來講的話像台科大因為這是個案我們現在已經找這個台科大這個部分來講下禮拜會到本會來陳述意見因為這會涉及到一方面來講第一個就是說那個平埔如果超過的話超評的話要怎麼處理的問題第二\n就是這個部分可能是數位部的權限但是如果是跟NCC有關的是那個營運計畫的問題也就是當時我們在做合併的處分的時候\n有提到這個依法他有抄品的部分要繳回來不繳回來講的話那有可能營運相關營運計畫可能會涉及到財儲的問題對那因為NCC涉及到財儲包括罰款最低從50甚至到500萬可是這個價值期就算他不斷的裁罰NCC不斷的裁罰但是他站著這個評估聲也是國家財產一樣價值期他一樣持續在營運那當然\n蘇衛發展部的部長我也不會問他會不會去NCC當獨棟,因為他剛上任也很積極啊,要積極發揮。那只是說在目前NCC,我坦白講,我們社會各界看到的對於中天啊,可以馬上立即的揮起大刀,但是在台哥大他目前來講的財閥,因為這個部分大家都在看報導,\n一路都知道在當初他在整併這個臺灣之心的時候他就已經讓臺灣之心他吸收了這85億85億的這個金額的部分來做這個評估的虧損而現在他又直接再告這個NCC再走這個行政訴訟來進行這個拖延那本席直接就叫我們的院長\n﹚議員\n那這個不就是陷入這個困境嗎?\n那本席還是在這裡希望院長也可以針對這事情表個態啦。\n因為我們看到如果說不斷的這樣子的裁罰那裁罰到時候不斷的拖延那一方面這個當初在這整個和平的過程中那台哥大就已經也都把這個包括遊戲規則三分之一就要繳回超過就要繳回都直接讓NCC主委都清楚知道但是現在來講讓台灣資金他吸收了這個85億那再跟NCC再進行這個訴訟來去拖延\n﹚主席\n任何的合併都應該以保障消費者的權益當為優先的考量這個過程當中如果有不當的利益使用或是在使用上有違規違法的情形那NCC剛剛是有罰則的那這罰則縱使有上限那如果能夠我們有持續不斷的要求業者來改善這個作為我認為這樣的強度是必須拿出來的表示公權力跟這個消費者的權益是站在一起的\n好,那因為這個部分涉及到廢紙嘛。中天等於是換照的時候就被大刀一揮嘛。那本席我跟台灣大革大其實也不認識。那只是針對這個議題來講我相信大家都在關注。那我希望行政院這邊包括ICC能夠技術積極作為。好,謝謝。那我接著要請教交通的議題。那就謝謝主委跟部長,謝謝。那請交通部長。\n本席還是如以往的在上次的總執行也有針對這個終結還局限能夠進南投那這一件議題這個有關於南投非常重大的一個交通建設因為中張投尤其是台中南投本就是一個生活圈那這個終結進南投的這個議題\n更是許淑華許縣長在過去8年立委期間以及現在當縣長期間非常重視的議題。本席只想在這邊針對終結局限金南投希望行政院長能夠表個態南投縣政府的計畫送進來的時候是不是行政院這邊也能夠全力來支持?\n交通部應該是要跟台中市政府、南投縣政府在進行可行性的評估。那現在交通部的進度是不是跟委員報告?是,跟委員報告。在去年的2月已經有合訂補助南投縣政府針對延伸的部分來做可行性的規劃。\n現在正在做規劃之中我想他只要規劃報告完成那我們會送到交通部來協助當然在規劃的過程必須也要跟台中市做相關的協商包括工程的辦理還有未來怎麼樣的經營誰來當經營的主體相關的財務怎麼樣的一個分擔我想這個部分也要先協商之後我們就會來協助審議\n那本席還是這邊再強調一下交通部協助南投縣政府的這個報告評估計畫在7月就會完成南投縣軌道系統整體網絡評估計畫那到時候包括南投縣政府跟台中市政府本就有共識了那也希望交通部到時候能夠全力支持那也希望說因為這是包括賴清德總統的一個政見那所以本席在這裡也希望院長您能夠表個態\n所以總結舉憲進南投您是支持?\n只要評估有效益,那相關的規定符合,我想我們就來協助處理。這個中張頭生活圈這一定有效益,但是院長你是可以表達一個支持的態度,那我相信南投縣民也比較放心。\n我接著問一個重大的建設\n那這個之前的話本席在上次總諮詢還沒有提過但是這一次要特別的來為我們的南投跟彰化的鄉親尤其是南投的鄉親來跟院長這邊來爭取就是我們國道3號南雲交流道它通車完工之後其實是讓這個我們整體的南邊的南投鄉親啊在交通上是確實是有比較便利的一個出口那這問題是\n院長其實大家在看待我們有時候在去中部的時候去這個快關交友道下還直接到台中搭高鐵這是非常便利但是南投的鄉親其實卻沒有辦法輕易的來去田中高鐵站來搭這個高鐵大家必須還是要繞到雲林還再到這個田中高鐵站再去搭所以這個一下一上的這個路徑是非常的遙遠\n那現在其實當初在這個交流道他有預留一個缺口他就是要做這個張覽大橋只要竹山一過去這個二水他就直接到田中可以直接到高鐵站那過去來講縣府曾經有提出希望能夠讓交通部來協助那中央的經費出的比例包括南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府能夠出的比例那現在南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府也有共識那是不是可以來請\n院長以及部長來思考這個南雲交流道搭這個張南大橋過去的這一個建設後續他可以持續做到的就是一路到田中高鐵再到二嶺的工業區那就是等於就是一個東西向的快速道路那相信這個對整體南投去彰化也好去搭高鐵也好都是非常的便利那相關的資料其實交通部過去都有\n那我想說就交一下院長還是這一案能夠正向來支持也能夠積極協助。交通的規劃交通部先說明一下。委員您所提的應該就是竹山到二水的這個快速東西向的這個快速道路。那這個我的了解如果要跨越要穿越八卦山脈是比較一個大的工程所以必須要\n我修正一下部長的說法,這個不用跨越八卦山脈,它直接就是跨左水溪就可以了。所以當初在評估計畫到時候留了一個缺口,就是讓這個交流道,南運交流道可以直接過去跨越左水溪。那旁邊的話其實是有雲林到彰化的大橋,所以它的那個難度在以前早就已經突破了。\n這個是我們做一個了解我們也會跟南投縣府跟彰化縣府大家一起來坐下來協商如果在交通上有他的需求看怎麼樣來啟動這個部分的可行性\n好那因為這個部分預計交通委員會我們也會排7月15號的會刊到時候我們的考察那也希望院長能夠對於這項重大建設能夠正面支持好報告每每到南投去都是到台中再經過道路系統雖然建設比過去是進步許多了但也一直在思考如果能夠有一個更便捷的方式我想對南投的鄉民居民來看絕對是一個好的結果所以交通部在\n接下來的會館當中我們全力的來看看如何協助。好那因為本席坦白講在過去8年其實我就不考院長就是8年在南投彰化可以提出的重大的一個交鋒建設其實是不好列舉\n但是我相信在這一年就是在院長您擔任院長的任上包括部長積極協助推動讓這個快速道路能夠看見曙光我相信這個對於南投跟彰化我相信會是以大福音因為建設也不分藍綠我們中央地方齊心好不好謝謝\n再來一個議題就是臺灣好行我們看到觀光暑期做的推動的部分都非常好包括中東部的推動目前來講我們看到許多的成績也帶動地方觀光發展但是南投市目前南投市南投的最大的鄉鎮市還沒有相關的路線是想請到時候院長跟部長來積極的支持南投市也能夠有後續的路線來開出\n接著就是我們看到博愛座那博愛座現在被稱博豆座那現在來講做一個修正來講他叫做有必須要使用者來去做這個座位去做一個更名實際需要者那本席在這裡還是要提出希望交通部還在這個部分能夠跟衛福部再去做一個溝通\n因為老弱婦孺改為實際需要者我個人是認為不應該是受到許多這些事件反而大家應該是回頭來講是在宣導跟教育上還重新讓大家來去做一個認知而不是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳那我相信不能本末倒置因為本來來講大家實際需要這樣子的字眼還需要去做一個定義我覺得其實是大可不必\n最後﹗\n那這個謝謝院長那時候在馬文君委員提出查柏的時候你有表達說您到時候也會來參加這南投的查柏對那謝謝您的參與那相信到時候大家非常期待那本席也在這裡也特別拜託延續馬文君委員跟許淑華縣長的一個需求過去兩年的話查柏中央的補助是800萬那是不是在今年的部分可以持續往800萬以上的水平來支持好不好\n好,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:17.543 --> 00:44.303\n謝謝各位主席、副院長。那有請院長,還有NCC的主委,還有速發部的部長。還請卓院長、貝許、NCC主委、速發部部長。院長好。那我想在這裡先請教我們就是NCC的主委。\n\n00:46.365 --> 01:04.443\n主委,這個未來NCC的主委卸任之後,你會去台哥大當他的獨立董事嗎?台哥大?我們有那個旋轉門條款,不可能。對啊,所以你不會嘛。那NCC會有任何的委員卸任之後,去台哥大當獨立董事嗎?\n\n01:05.607 --> 01:33.630\n這還是要受公務員服務法的規定所以這很明顯的那也知道像目前來講在臺科大在這個6月30之後那在7月1號它的評普的部分因為會提這個的話我們都知道NCC它主要它不僅是要防止媒體壟斷那它也需要去防止電信壟斷各式各樣的壟斷在一個市場的一個公平競爭之下那所以說在目前我們看到\n\n01:34.491 --> 01:58.176\n台客到他藉由他的訴訟,他要來跟NCC來進行一個訴訟,他要來把這個評普,價值7億的評普來佔著,沒有去做一個歸還,那嚴重的衝擊到這個市場的機制,那主要在一個公平是非跟公道的一個過程,那我想就教一下院長,那像這樣子的一個事件,行政院以及相關所屬機關會持什麼樣的態度來進行處理?\n\n02:01.001 --> 02:01.401\n現在NCC要如何來做這個作為?\n\n02:26.028 --> 02:50.194\n回答一下委員的問題平埔基本上來講現在主管機關是數位部那當然平埔來講的話他的規劃使用以後那監理是由NCC來負責那現在來講的話像台科大因為這是個案我們現在已經找這個台科大這個部分來講下禮拜會到本會來陳述意見因為這會涉及到一方面來講第一個就是說那個平埔如果超過的話超評的話要怎麼處理的問題第二\n\n02:52.796 --> 03:01.734\n就是這個部分可能是數位部的權限但是如果是跟NCC有關的是那個營運計畫的問題也就是當時我們在做合併的處分的時候\n\n03:02.230 --> 03:25.902\n有提到這個依法他有抄品的部分要繳回來不繳回來講的話那有可能營運相關營運計畫可能會涉及到財儲的問題對那因為NCC涉及到財儲包括罰款最低從50甚至到500萬可是這個價值期就算他不斷的裁罰NCC不斷的裁罰但是他站著這個評估聲也是國家財產一樣價值期他一樣持續在營運那當然\n\n03:28.383 --> 03:48.731\n蘇衛發展部的部長我也不會問他會不會去NCC當獨棟,因為他剛上任也很積極啊,要積極發揮。那只是說在目前NCC,我坦白講,我們社會各界看到的對於中天啊,可以馬上立即的揮起大刀,但是在台哥大他目前來講的財閥,因為這個部分大家都在看報導,\n\n03:49.651 --> 04:08.950\n一路都知道在當初他在整併這個臺灣之心的時候他就已經讓臺灣之心他吸收了這85億85億的這個金額的部分來做這個評估的虧損而現在他又直接再告這個NCC再走這個行政訴訟來進行這個拖延那本席直接就叫我們的院長\n\n04:23.148 --> 04:24.429\n那這個不就是陷入這個困境嗎?\n\n04:45.600 --> 04:48.222\n那本席還是在這裡希望院長也可以針對這事情表個態啦。\n\n05:05.316 --> 05:32.305\n因為我們看到如果說不斷的這樣子的裁罰那裁罰到時候不斷的拖延那一方面這個當初在這整個和平的過程中那台哥大就已經也都把這個包括遊戲規則三分之一就要繳回超過就要繳回都直接讓NCC主委都清楚知道但是現在來講讓台灣資金他吸收了這個85億那再跟NCC再進行這個訴訟來去拖延\n\n05:32.825 --> 05:33.025\n﹚主席\n\n05:50.396 --> 06:15.130\n任何的合併都應該以保障消費者的權益當為優先的考量這個過程當中如果有不當的利益使用或是在使用上有違規違法的情形那NCC剛剛是有罰則的那這罰則縱使有上限那如果能夠我們有持續不斷的要求業者來改善這個作為我認為這樣的強度是必須拿出來的表示公權力跟這個消費者的權益是站在一起的\n\n06:16.052 --> 06:43.595\n好,那因為這個部分涉及到廢紙嘛。中天等於是換照的時候就被大刀一揮嘛。那本席我跟台灣大革大其實也不認識。那只是針對這個議題來講我相信大家都在關注。那我希望行政院這邊包括ICC能夠技術積極作為。好,謝謝。那我接著要請教交通的議題。那就謝謝主委跟部長,謝謝。那請交通部長。\n\n06:53.798 --> 07:11.538\n本席還是如以往的在上次的總執行也有針對這個終結還局限能夠進南投那這一件議題這個有關於南投非常重大的一個交通建設因為中張投尤其是台中南投本就是一個生活圈那這個終結進南投的這個議題\n\n07:14.161 --> 07:33.076\n更是許淑華許縣長在過去8年立委期間以及現在當縣長期間非常重視的議題。本席只想在這邊針對終結局限金南投希望行政院長能夠表個態南投縣政府的計畫送進來的時候是不是行政院這邊也能夠全力來支持?\n\n07:33.925 --> 07:54.138\n交通部應該是要跟台中市政府、南投縣政府在進行可行性的評估。那現在交通部的進度是不是跟委員報告?是,跟委員報告。在去年的2月已經有合訂補助南投縣政府針對延伸的部分來做可行性的規劃。\n\n07:55.198 --> 08:13.706\n現在正在做規劃之中我想他只要規劃報告完成那我們會送到交通部來協助當然在規劃的過程必須也要跟台中市做相關的協商包括工程的辦理還有未來怎麼樣的經營誰來當經營的主體相關的財務怎麼樣的一個分擔我想這個部分也要先協商之後我們就會來協助審議\n\n08:22.569 --> 08:50.086\n那本席還是這邊再強調一下交通部協助南投縣政府的這個報告評估計畫在7月就會完成南投縣軌道系統整體網絡評估計畫那到時候包括南投縣政府跟台中市政府本就有共識了那也希望交通部到時候能夠全力支持那也希望說因為這是包括賴清德總統的一個政見那所以本席在這裡也希望院長您能夠表個態\n\n08:50.826 --> 08:51.948\n所以總結舉憲進南投您是支持?\n\n09:06.589 --> 09:21.579\n只要評估有效益,那相關的規定符合,我想我們就來協助處理。這個中張頭生活圈這一定有效益,但是院長你是可以表達一個支持的態度,那我相信南投縣民也比較放心。\n\n09:23.117 --> 09:24.198\n我接著問一個重大的建設\n\n09:42.501 --> 10:09.795\n那這個之前的話本席在上次總諮詢還沒有提過但是這一次要特別的來為我們的南投跟彰化的鄉親尤其是南投的鄉親來跟院長這邊來爭取就是我們國道3號南雲交流道它通車完工之後其實是讓這個我們整體的南邊的南投鄉親啊在交通上是確實是有比較便利的一個出口那這問題是\n\n10:12.486 --> 10:40.305\n院長其實大家在看待我們有時候在去中部的時候去這個快關交友道下還直接到台中搭高鐵這是非常便利但是南投的鄉親其實卻沒有辦法輕易的來去田中高鐵站來搭這個高鐵大家必須還是要繞到雲林還再到這個田中高鐵站再去搭所以這個一下一上的這個路徑是非常的遙遠\n\n10:41.306 --> 11:08.843\n那現在其實當初在這個交流道他有預留一個缺口他就是要做這個張覽大橋只要竹山一過去這個二水他就直接到田中可以直接到高鐵站那過去來講縣府曾經有提出希望能夠讓交通部來協助那中央的經費出的比例包括南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府能夠出的比例那現在南投縣政府跟昭和縣政府也有共識那是不是可以來請\n\n11:09.904 --> 11:36.585\n院長以及部長來思考這個南雲交流道搭這個張南大橋過去的這一個建設後續他可以持續做到的就是一路到田中高鐵再到二嶺的工業區那就是等於就是一個東西向的快速道路那相信這個對整體南投去彰化也好去搭高鐵也好都是非常的便利那相關的資料其實交通部過去都有\n\n11:37.125 --> 12:01.002\n那我想說就交一下院長還是這一案能夠正向來支持也能夠積極協助。交通的規劃交通部先說明一下。委員您所提的應該就是竹山到二水的這個快速東西向的這個快速道路。那這個我的了解如果要跨越要穿越八卦山脈是比較一個大的工程所以必須要\n\n12:01.662 --> 12:23.178\n我修正一下部長的說法,這個不用跨越八卦山脈,它直接就是跨左水溪就可以了。所以當初在評估計畫到時候留了一個缺口,就是讓這個交流道,南運交流道可以直接過去跨越左水溪。那旁邊的話其實是有雲林到彰化的大橋,所以它的那個難度在以前早就已經突破了。\n\n12:24.598 --> 12:39.205\n這個是我們做一個了解我們也會跟南投縣府跟彰化縣府大家一起來坐下來協商如果在交通上有他的需求看怎麼樣來啟動這個部分的可行性\n\n12:39.645 --> 13:07.252\n好那因為這個部分預計交通委員會我們也會排7月15號的會刊到時候我們的考察那也希望院長能夠對於這項重大建設能夠正面支持好報告每每到南投去都是到台中再經過道路系統雖然建設比過去是進步許多了但也一直在思考如果能夠有一個更便捷的方式我想對南投的鄉民居民來看絕對是一個好的結果所以交通部在\n\n13:08.132 --> 13:24.026\n接下來的會館當中我們全力的來看看如何協助。好那因為本席坦白講在過去8年其實我就不考院長就是8年在南投彰化可以提出的重大的一個交鋒建設其實是不好列舉\n\n13:24.887 --> 13:44.747\n但是我相信在這一年就是在院長您擔任院長的任上包括部長積極協助推動讓這個快速道路能夠看見曙光我相信這個對於南投跟彰化我相信會是以大福音因為建設也不分藍綠我們中央地方齊心好不好謝謝\n\n13:46.068 --> 14:13.101\n再來一個議題就是臺灣好行我們看到觀光暑期做的推動的部分都非常好包括中東部的推動目前來講我們看到許多的成績也帶動地方觀光發展但是南投市目前南投市南投的最大的鄉鎮市還沒有相關的路線是想請到時候院長跟部長來積極的支持南投市也能夠有後續的路線來開出\n\n14:15.107 --> 14:36.912\n接著就是我們看到博愛座那博愛座現在被稱博豆座那現在來講做一個修正來講他叫做有必須要使用者來去做這個座位去做一個更名實際需要者那本席在這裡還是要提出希望交通部還在這個部分能夠跟衛福部再去做一個溝通\n\n14:37.552 --> 15:02.444\n因為老弱婦孺改為實際需要者我個人是認為不應該是受到許多這些事件反而大家應該是回頭來講是在宣導跟教育上還重新讓大家來去做一個認知而不是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳那我相信不能本末倒置因為本來來講大家實際需要這樣子的字眼還需要去做一個定義我覺得其實是大可不必\n\n15:02.944 --> 15:03.105\n最後﹗\n\n15:10.595 --> 15:38.676\n那這個謝謝院長那時候在馬文君委員提出查柏的時候你有表達說您到時候也會來參加這南投的查柏對那謝謝您的參與那相信到時候大家非常期待那本席也在這裡也特別拜託延續馬文君委員跟許淑華縣長的一個需求過去兩年的話查柏中央的補助是800萬那是不是在今年的部分可以持續往800萬以上的水平來支持好不好\n\n15:39.309 --> 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在宣導跟教育上還重新讓大家來去做一個認知而不是頭痛醫頭腳痛醫腳那我相信不能本末倒置因為本來來講大家實際需要這樣子的字眼還需要去做一個定義我覺得其實是大可不必"},{"start":902.944,"end":903.105,"text":"最後﹗"},{"start":910.595,"end":938.676,"text":"那這個謝謝院長那時候在馬文君委員提出查柏的時候你有表達說您到時候也會來參加這南投的查柏對那謝謝您的參與那相信到時候大家非常期待那本席也在這裡也特別拜託延續馬文君委員跟許淑華縣長的一個需求過去兩年的話查柏中央的補助是800萬那是不是在今年的部分可以持續往800萬以上的水平來支持好不好"},{"start":939.309,"end":939.329,"text":"好,謝謝。"}]}}}}