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00:03:26,724\n所以第二圈連第一圈的道路對我們來講就非常非常的重要這甚至包括了你在設計快速道路的時候如果能夠有像剛剛秉瑞委員在說的不管是國道一號的交流道也好或者是快速道路的新莊的這種它的閘道能夠增加也好對我們來講其實都是第二圈和第一圈之間能夠再多有\n\n10\n00:03:27,264 --> 00:03:31,266\n第三類的問題是如果我們能夠把這個第二圈的這個部分就像我現在列的這邊齁是林口、巴黎啊或者是我自己土樹山陰等等這些地方\n\n11\n00:03:50,353 --> 00:03:50,593\n蘇巧慧\n\n12\n00:04:06,266 --> 00:04:30,137\n那其實對於不但我們彼此之間的交通可以快速而且對於舒緩前面第一圈的交通流量當然也是大幅減輕這個道理也是非常非常清楚這完全沒有問題吧好那我們就回到實際例子來看我必須在這裡齁我先在這裡啦先在這裡感謝行政院這幾年對我們新北的建設我就以\n\n13\n00:04:30,797 --> 00:04:48,573\n我自己的選區遭遇的例子也就是公路體系符合今天我要質詢的題目公路體系來講我必須說這兩條交通建設對我們來講非常非常的有效像是台65這個快速道路增設一個福州橋閘道這個地方全部的預算4.7億全部都是中央出的啊\n\n14\n00:04:55,950 --> 00:05:17,482\n但同樣一個快速道路就因為增設了這樣一個閘道我每次這樣往返的時間可以少20分鐘以上這個車程是整個地方大家都撐到的部分因為它就有效疏解了我們的第二類問題嘛我們不用再進到進到第一圈裡面我們第二圈自己就可以處理了這就是舒緩好\n\n15\n00:05:18,983 --> 00:05:42,979\n還有另外環快道路就是剛剛吳秉瑞委員再再的提到這個所謂要通車新北市政府到底有沒有邀請中央的這個部分這一條我們這個環口的快速道路即將通車也是中央政府不但從規劃一直到預算是全部都是中央出的這一條呢更是大大了解決了\n\n16\n00:05:43,920 --> 00:06:09,282\n我們新莊樹林英哥這種外圈的串聯之外當然也疏解了如何進去第一圈進到臺北市這樣的交通問題所以這兩項建設都大獲好評那用這樣的例子我今天既然院長你也完全認同我剛剛的說法我剛剛花了5分鐘的時間在跟你溝通這個而且也實力給你看了\n\n17\n00:06:10,023 --> 00:06:33,181\n那麼今天我有兩項,是不是請院長這邊可以在備詢臺正式的承諾吼。那第一個就是我們的林口到巴黎的105號這個市道的部分。如果用剛剛的這個同心園來看,其實這條是林口到巴黎之間喔。因為它的山路很崎嶇嘛,其實路況很差。如果這個地方的市道能夠做起來,\n\n18\n00:06:34,342 --> 00:06:34,622\n市政府這邊?\n\n19\n00:06:56,650 --> 00:06:56,770\n蘇巧慧\n\n20\n00:07:13,463 --> 00:07:27,920\n謝謝蘇委員剛剛所提到的我想行政院過去以來到現在不會看地方執政是誰當然建設是一體的國家是大家的對新北市的補助規劃也都相當好也得到大家的肯定也謝謝委員在各地的爭取\n\n21\n00:07:28,541 --> 00:07:29,182\n綠條是非常非常的有需要啦\n\n22\n00:07:45,796 --> 00:08:15,419\n但是因為我們都知道他的公法是比較難一點所以金額也很大我們在這裡期待的是吼我們已經不是第一次關心這個不是在這裡才開始關心嘛就是因為金額大然後所以我們需要的補助多不但需要行政院的核定而且希望補助的金額能夠越多越好所以我在這裡再一次跟行政院爭取我們認為這條是有需要的對新北市是重要的所以我們希望這條行政院能夠盡速核定\n\n23\n00:08:17,340 --> 00:08:37,608\n這一條確實是可以讓林口新市鎮這一帶包括龜山很多產業他的包括卡車他的包括車輛往西濱往淡江大橋往這個桃園機場的運送所以他不是只有這一段的消費而他是延伸到整個區塊所以\n\n24\n00:08:39,429 --> 00:08:57,712\n即便現在錢看起來多,但是我覺得它的效益是無遠弗屆的,所以這條實在要請中央大力支持。也可以減輕林口交流道跟五五交流道的負擔。所以這不只是一圈一段的問題嘛,這是第一個。第二個是我更熟悉的,也就是剛剛說的台65號快速道路的部分。\n\n25\n00:08:58,112 --> 00:08:58,372\n蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧\n\n26\n00:09:26,664 --> 00:09:27,024\n先請部長講一下進度\n\n27\n00:09:56,416 --> 00:10:21,450\n我想現在如果大家行經這個北二高從龍潭一直到中和特別是從大概英哥到中和這一段非常的塞如果這個板農能夠做那讓板橋到這個龍潭這一段有一個第二條這個相關的聯絡的這個快速道路我想對整個疏解北二高這邊的塞車通勤等等的這個\n\n28\n00:10:22,190 --> 00:10:22,350\n蘇巧慧\n\n29\n00:10:43,678 --> 00:11:08,864\n我們在爭取建設的心情還是是一樣的對新北是好的我們都一樣向行政院爭取相信行政院也會給我們最大的支持跟鼓勵啦所以我們希望有計畫的就趕快核定而有補助就給我們最多的是,更為報告也把這一條列入大細股桃竹廟大細股裡面的重要的一個交通很好預計明年的4月3月到4月就可以提出相關的期中報告\n\n30\n00:11:09,284 --> 00:11:36,145\n好,非常好,我們希望整個會越快越好。甚至是我在這裡也要求交通部,是不是可以就新北市已經有的,剛剛在說的,不管您剛剛也聽到,部長剛剛聽到我說的幾類的問題嘛。我認為如果還有機會可以增設,增設公路系統,把公路網串接起來的,我都希望能夠再討論,我們來規劃,並且來繼續支持。所以部長如果有在研議中的計畫,我希望能夠我的辦公室可以得到一份這樣的資料。好。\n\n31\n00:11:37,646 --> 00:11:55,700\n這是關於公路網的部分,但是喔,院長,我也剛也跟你提到了,因為新北市就是繞著臺北市這樣的幾個圈圈,可是那個第一圈來講,它的人口稠密實在是太多了,稠密度太高了,高到其實已經沒有空間可以再蓋新的路,這就是我們的現況。\n\n32\n00:11:56,861 --> 00:12:22,409\n所以我想來想去真的要解決交通擁捨的問題其實還是必須靠大眾運輸好可是你來看我們去調查這些資料來看這幾年新北市的這個公共運輸狀況其實反而連疫情前的狀況都還沒有回復到沒有回復到疫情前搭乘的狀況更不要說越來越好完全沒有連疫情前的都還沒有你看現在111年搭乘公共運輸\n\n33\n00:12:25,330 --> 00:12:26,010\n您覺得這是什麼問題啊?\n\n34\n00:12:52,056 --> 00:12:57,041\n我想疫情期間因為大家不鼓勵大家在群聚在一個密閉空間所以那時候的運量包括公車包括捷運也都下跌\n\n35\n00:13:16,279 --> 00:13:35,253\n現在疫情之後捷運高鐵大概陸續都有回升台鐵也有回升那唯獨公車還是比去年比疫情前大概還是下跌了我覺得作為一個新北市民我坦白講啦我們搭大眾運輸的比例沒有台北市民高就是因為他的入網不夠方便\n\n36\n00:13:36,073 --> 00:14:02,291\n他沒有像台北市民這樣我可能走出去很大一部分的人走出去沒多久就有公車就有捷運我們其實可能要走很久那還不如騎一台摩托車我算給部長跟院長聽如果是我我樹林喔我們坐火車到台北上班單程票是18元一天36元一個月用25天上班好了那就是900塊可是你的TPAS呢目前是1200塊錢\n\n37\n00:14:04,457 --> 00:14:20,825\n所以等於是我如果都只能認真上班我沒有出去玩我沒有用到其他的方面其實我買T-pass不會合啦那如果我是三重人我平常是騎我平常是坐公車的好了我平常是坐公車去台北上班三重人到台北公車一段15塊錢嘛\n\n38\n00:14:22,426 --> 00:14:37,565\n那15塊上下班30塊一個月25天那更是只要750塊啊所以對我們來講TPAS雖然聽起來很不錯但實際換算以後好像沒有說真的很划算\n\n39\n00:14:38,146 --> 00:14:58,152\n所以又不夠方便不夠離我家近錢好像也沒有多省那我為什麼會選擇大眾運輸呢所以我想來想去我想在這裡很誠摯的建議行政院TPOS有沒有可能設計2.0版本他的起因是為了鼓勵更多人使用大眾運輸系統\n\n40\n00:14:59,332 --> 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蘇巧慧\n566664\t567024\t先請部長講一下進度\n596416\t621450\t我想現在如果大家行經這個北二高從龍潭一直到中和特別是從大概英哥到中和這一段非常的塞如果這個板農能夠做那讓板橋到這個龍潭這一段有一個第二條這個相關的聯絡的這個快速道路我想對整個疏解北二高這邊的塞車通勤等等的這個\n622190\t622350\t蘇巧慧\n643678\t668864\t我們在爭取建設的心情還是是一樣的對新北是好的我們都一樣向行政院爭取相信行政院也會給我們最大的支持跟鼓勵啦所以我們希望有計畫的就趕快核定而有補助就給我們最多的是,更為報告也把這一條列入大細股桃竹廟大細股裡面的重要的一個交通很好預計明年的4月3月到4月就可以提出相關的期中報告\n669284\t696145\t好,非常好,我們希望整個會越快越好。甚至是我在這裡也要求交通部,是不是可以就新北市已經有的,剛剛在說的,不管您剛剛也聽到,部長剛剛聽到我說的幾類的問題嘛。我認為如果還有機會可以增設,增設公路系統,把公路網串接起來的,我都希望能夠再討論,我們來規劃,並且來繼續支持。所以部長如果有在研議中的計畫,我希望能夠我的辦公室可以得到一份這樣的資料。好。\n697646\t715700\t這是關於公路網的部分,但是喔,院長,我也剛也跟你提到了,因為新北市就是繞著臺北市這樣的幾個圈圈,可是那個第一圈來講,它的人口稠密實在是太多了,稠密度太高了,高到其實已經沒有空間可以再蓋新的路,這就是我們的現況。\n716861\t742409\t所以我想來想去真的要解決交通擁捨的問題其實還是必須靠大眾運輸好可是你來看我們去調查這些資料來看這幾年新北市的這個公共運輸狀況其實反而連疫情前的狀況都還沒有回復到沒有回復到疫情前搭乘的狀況更不要說越來越好完全沒有連疫情前的都還沒有你看現在111年搭乘公共運輸\n745330\t746010\t您覺得這是什麼問題啊?\n772056\t777041\t我想疫情期間因為大家不鼓勵大家在群聚在一個密閉空間所以那時候的運量包括公車包括捷運也都下跌\n796279\t815253\t現在疫情之後捷運高鐵大概陸續都有回升台鐵也有回升那唯獨公車還是比去年比疫情前大概還是下跌了我覺得作為一個新北市民我坦白講啦我們搭大眾運輸的比例沒有台北市民高就是因為他的入網不夠方便\n816073\t842291\t他沒有像台北市民這樣我可能走出去很大一部分的人走出去沒多久就有公車就有捷運我們其實可能要走很久那還不如騎一台摩托車我算給部長跟院長聽如果是我我樹林喔我們坐火車到台北上班單程票是18元一天36元一個月用25天上班好了那就是900塊可是你的TPAS呢目前是1200塊錢\n844457\t860825\t所以等於是我如果都只能認真上班我沒有出去玩我沒有用到其他的方面其實我買T-pass不會合啦那如果我是三重人我平常是騎我平常是坐公車的好了我平常是坐公車去台北上班三重人到台北公車一段15塊錢嘛\n862426\t877565\t那15塊上下班30塊一個月25天那更是只要750塊啊所以對我們來講TPAS雖然聽起來很不錯但實際換算以後好像沒有說真的很划算\n878146\t898152\t所以又不夠方便不夠離我家近錢好像也沒有多省那我為什麼會選擇大眾運輸呢所以我想來想去我想在這裡很誠摯的建議行政院TPOS有沒有可能設計2.0版本他的起因是為了鼓勵更多人使用大眾運輸系統\n899332\t899532\t院長你怎麼看?\n916950\t931340\t謝謝委員,我們昨天在院會曾經對過這個公路客運的系統在一後沒有預期的這樣回復做了一個報告案其中對於公路的路線、票價、人力的短缺以及...對啊,因為你看這顯然是不夠划算的,所以兩項都是\n948002\t948022\t謝謝蘇委員\n","txt":"好,謝謝主席。我們請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。委員長好。\n院長剛剛我們聽了這個張宏祿委員和吳秉瑞委員的聯合質詢了確實新北的交通問題真的是很多因為我們需要的建設確確實實是非常的多其實如果院長\n蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧\n蘇巧慧\n用Google Map他來看的這張圖是星期一早上8點半的這個雙北的狀況。部長這樣的圖齁,你應該有常常看GoogleMap吧,應該有看過嘛齁,院長應該也有看過,應該能夠理解紅色的線是什麼意思。\n我自己在看新北交通問題的時候我是把它舒緩成為是一個這樣的同心圓來讓\n蘇巧慧\n那還有外面的第二圈那他們的問題其實會都不一樣比如說以靠近台北市的第一圈的話他最需要的就是直接進入台北市的聯絡道路嘛就是跨河進去台北市不管你是用什麼樣的方法反正讓我過了河進到台北市可以上班上學這樣就好可是第二圈的話他就還加上了要如何移動到第一圈才能再往台北市前進\n所以第二圈連第一圈的道路對我們來講就非常非常的重要這甚至包括了你在設計快速道路的時候如果能夠有像剛剛秉瑞委員在說的不管是國道一號的交流道也好或者是快速道路的新莊的這種它的閘道能夠增加也好對我們來講其實都是第二圈和第一圈之間能夠再多有\n第三類的問題是如果我們能夠把這個第二圈的這個部分就像我現在列的這邊齁是林口、巴黎啊或者是我自己土樹山陰等等這些地方\n蘇巧慧\n那其實對於不但我們彼此之間的交通可以快速而且對於舒緩前面第一圈的交通流量當然也是大幅減輕這個道理也是非常非常清楚這完全沒有問題吧好那我們就回到實際例子來看我必須在這裡齁我先在這裡啦先在這裡感謝行政院這幾年對我們新北的建設我就以\n我自己的選區遭遇的例子也就是公路體系符合今天我要質詢的題目公路體系來講我必須說這兩條交通建設對我們來講非常非常的有效像是台65這個快速道路增設一個福州橋閘道這個地方全部的預算4.7億全部都是中央出的啊\n但同樣一個快速道路就因為增設了這樣一個閘道我每次這樣往返的時間可以少20分鐘以上這個車程是整個地方大家都撐到的部分因為它就有效疏解了我們的第二類問題嘛我們不用再進到進到第一圈裡面我們第二圈自己就可以處理了這就是舒緩好\n還有另外環快道路就是剛剛吳秉瑞委員再再的提到這個所謂要通車新北市政府到底有沒有邀請中央的這個部分這一條我們這個環口的快速道路即將通車也是中央政府不但從規劃一直到預算是全部都是中央出的這一條呢更是大大了解決了\n我們新莊樹林英哥這種外圈的串聯之外當然也疏解了如何進去第一圈進到臺北市這樣的交通問題所以這兩項建設都大獲好評那用這樣的例子我今天既然院長你也完全認同我剛剛的說法我剛剛花了5分鐘的時間在跟你溝通這個而且也實力給你看了\n那麼今天我有兩項,是不是請院長這邊可以在備詢臺正式的承諾吼。那第一個就是我們的林口到巴黎的105號這個市道的部分。如果用剛剛的這個同心園來看,其實這條是林口到巴黎之間喔。因為它的山路很崎嶇嘛,其實路況很差。如果這個地方的市道能夠做起來,\n市政府這邊?\n蘇巧慧\n謝謝蘇委員剛剛所提到的我想行政院過去以來到現在不會看地方執政是誰當然建設是一體的國家是大家的對新北市的補助規劃也都相當好也得到大家的肯定也謝謝委員在各地的爭取\n綠條是非常非常的有需要啦\n但是因為我們都知道他的公法是比較難一點所以金額也很大我們在這裡期待的是吼我們已經不是第一次關心這個不是在這裡才開始關心嘛就是因為金額大然後所以我們需要的補助多不但需要行政院的核定而且希望補助的金額能夠越多越好所以我在這裡再一次跟行政院爭取我們認為這條是有需要的對新北市是重要的所以我們希望這條行政院能夠盡速核定\n這一條確實是可以讓林口新市鎮這一帶包括龜山很多產業他的包括卡車他的包括車輛往西濱往淡江大橋往這個桃園機場的運送所以他不是只有這一段的消費而他是延伸到整個區塊所以\n即便現在錢看起來多,但是我覺得它的效益是無遠弗屆的,所以這條實在要請中央大力支持。也可以減輕林口交流道跟五五交流道的負擔。所以這不只是一圈一段的問題嘛,這是第一個。第二個是我更熟悉的,也就是剛剛說的台65號快速道路的部分。\n蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧\n先請部長講一下進度\n我想現在如果大家行經這個北二高從龍潭一直到中和特別是從大概英哥到中和這一段非常的塞如果這個板農能夠做那讓板橋到這個龍潭這一段有一個第二條這個相關的聯絡的這個快速道路我想對整個疏解北二高這邊的塞車通勤等等的這個\n蘇巧慧\n我們在爭取建設的心情還是是一樣的對新北是好的我們都一樣向行政院爭取相信行政院也會給我們最大的支持跟鼓勵啦所以我們希望有計畫的就趕快核定而有補助就給我們最多的是,更為報告也把這一條列入大細股桃竹廟大細股裡面的重要的一個交通很好預計明年的4月3月到4月就可以提出相關的期中報告\n好,非常好,我們希望整個會越快越好。甚至是我在這裡也要求交通部,是不是可以就新北市已經有的,剛剛在說的,不管您剛剛也聽到,部長剛剛聽到我說的幾類的問題嘛。我認為如果還有機會可以增設,增設公路系統,把公路網串接起來的,我都希望能夠再討論,我們來規劃,並且來繼續支持。所以部長如果有在研議中的計畫,我希望能夠我的辦公室可以得到一份這樣的資料。好。\n這是關於公路網的部分,但是喔,院長,我也剛也跟你提到了,因為新北市就是繞著臺北市這樣的幾個圈圈,可是那個第一圈來講,它的人口稠密實在是太多了,稠密度太高了,高到其實已經沒有空間可以再蓋新的路,這就是我們的現況。\n所以我想來想去真的要解決交通擁捨的問題其實還是必須靠大眾運輸好可是你來看我們去調查這些資料來看這幾年新北市的這個公共運輸狀況其實反而連疫情前的狀況都還沒有回復到沒有回復到疫情前搭乘的狀況更不要說越來越好完全沒有連疫情前的都還沒有你看現在111年搭乘公共運輸\n您覺得這是什麼問題啊?\n我想疫情期間因為大家不鼓勵大家在群聚在一個密閉空間所以那時候的運量包括公車包括捷運也都下跌\n現在疫情之後捷運高鐵大概陸續都有回升台鐵也有回升那唯獨公車還是比去年比疫情前大概還是下跌了我覺得作為一個新北市民我坦白講啦我們搭大眾運輸的比例沒有台北市民高就是因為他的入網不夠方便\n他沒有像台北市民這樣我可能走出去很大一部分的人走出去沒多久就有公車就有捷運我們其實可能要走很久那還不如騎一台摩托車我算給部長跟院長聽如果是我我樹林喔我們坐火車到台北上班單程票是18元一天36元一個月用25天上班好了那就是900塊可是你的TPAS呢目前是1200塊錢\n所以等於是我如果都只能認真上班我沒有出去玩我沒有用到其他的方面其實我買T-pass不會合啦那如果我是三重人我平常是騎我平常是坐公車的好了我平常是坐公車去台北上班三重人到台北公車一段15塊錢嘛\n那15塊上下班30塊一個月25天那更是只要750塊啊所以對我們來講TPAS雖然聽起來很不錯但實際換算以後好像沒有說真的很划算\n所以又不夠方便不夠離我家近錢好像也沒有多省那我為什麼會選擇大眾運輸呢所以我想來想去我想在這裡很誠摯的建議行政院TPOS有沒有可能設計2.0版本他的起因是為了鼓勵更多人使用大眾運輸系統\n院長你怎麼看?\n謝謝委員,我們昨天在院會曾經對過這個公路客運的系統在一後沒有預期的這樣回復做了一個報告案其中對於公路的路線、票價、人力的短缺以及...對啊,因為你看這顯然是不夠划算的,所以兩項都是\n謝謝蘇委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.704 --> 00:14.288\n好,謝謝主席。我們請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。委員長好。\n\n00:26.465 --> 00:41.234\n院長剛剛我們聽了這個張宏祿委員和吳秉瑞委員的聯合質詢了確實新北的交通問題真的是很多因為我們需要的建設確確實實是非常的多其實如果院長\n\n00:42.094 --> 00:42.554\n蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧\n\n00:58.004 --> 00:58.104\n蘇巧慧\n\n01:27.933 --> 01:32.676\n用GoogleMap他來看的這張圖是星期一早上8點半的這個雙北的狀況。部長這樣的圖齁,你應該有常常看GoogleMap吧,應該有看過嘛齁,院長應該也有看過,應該能夠理解紅色的線是什麼意思。\n\n01:46.087 --> 01:48.668\n我自己在看新北交通問題的時候我是把它舒緩成為是一個這樣的同心圓來讓\n\n02:15.915 --> 02:16.095\n蘇巧慧\n\n02:33.328 --> 03:01.536\n那還有外面的第二圈那他們的問題其實會都不一樣比如說以靠近台北市的第一圈的話他最需要的就是直接進入台北市的聯絡道路嘛就是跨河進去台北市不管你是用什麼樣的方法反正讓我過了河進到台北市可以上班上學這樣就好可是第二圈的話他就還加上了要如何移動到第一圈才能再往台北市前進\n\n03:02.376 --> 03:26.724\n所以第二圈連第一圈的道路對我們來講就非常非常的重要這甚至包括了你在設計快速道路的時候如果能夠有像剛剛秉瑞委員在說的不管是國道一號的交流道也好或者是快速道路的新莊的這種它的閘道能夠增加也好對我們來講其實都是第二圈和第一圈之間能夠再多有\n\n03:27.264 --> 03:31.266\n第三類的問題是如果我們能夠把這個第二圈的這個部分就像我現在列的這邊齁是林口、巴黎啊或者是我自己土樹山陰等等這些地方\n\n03:50.353 --> 03:50.593\n蘇巧慧\n\n04:06.266 --> 04:30.137\n那其實對於不但我們彼此之間的交通可以快速而且對於舒緩前面第一圈的交通流量當然也是大幅減輕這個道理也是非常非常清楚這完全沒有問題吧好那我們就回到實際例子來看我必須在這裡齁我先在這裡啦先在這裡感謝行政院這幾年對我們新北的建設我就以\n\n04:30.797 --> 04:48.573\n我自己的選區遭遇的例子也就是公路體系符合今天我要質詢的題目公路體系來講我必須說這兩條交通建設對我們來講非常非常的有效像是台65這個快速道路增設一個福州橋閘道這個地方全部的預算4.7億全部都是中央出的啊\n\n04:55.950 --> 05:17.482\n但同樣一個快速道路就因為增設了這樣一個閘道我每次這樣往返的時間可以少20分鐘以上這個車程是整個地方大家都撐到的部分因為它就有效疏解了我們的第二類問題嘛我們不用再進到進到第一圈裡面我們第二圈自己就可以處理了這就是舒緩好\n\n05:18.983 --> 05:42.979\n還有另外環快道路就是剛剛吳秉瑞委員再再的提到這個所謂要通車新北市政府到底有沒有邀請中央的這個部分這一條我們這個環口的快速道路即將通車也是中央政府不但從規劃一直到預算是全部都是中央出的這一條呢更是大大了解決了\n\n05:43.920 --> 06:09.282\n我們新莊樹林英哥這種外圈的串聯之外當然也疏解了如何進去第一圈進到臺北市這樣的交通問題所以這兩項建設都大獲好評那用這樣的例子我今天既然院長你也完全認同我剛剛的說法我剛剛花了5分鐘的時間在跟你溝通這個而且也實力給你看了\n\n06:10.023 --> 06:33.181\n那麼今天我有兩項,是不是請院長這邊可以在備詢臺正式的承諾吼。那第一個就是我們的林口到巴黎的105號這個市道的部分。如果用剛剛的這個同心園來看,其實這條是林口到巴黎之間喔。因為它的山路很崎嶇嘛,其實路況很差。如果這個地方的市道能夠做起來,\n\n06:34.342 --> 06:34.622\n市政府這邊?\n\n06:56.650 --> 06:56.770\n蘇巧慧\n\n07:13.463 --> 07:27.920\n謝謝蘇委員剛剛所提到的我想行政院過去以來到現在不會看地方執政是誰當然建設是一體的國家是大家的對新北市的補助規劃也都相當好也得到大家的肯定也謝謝委員在各地的爭取\n\n07:28.541 --> 07:29.182\n綠條是非常非常的有需要啦\n\n07:45.796 --> 08:15.419\n但是因為我們都知道他的公法是比較難一點所以金額也很大我們在這裡期待的是吼我們已經不是第一次關心這個不是在這裡才開始關心嘛就是因為金額大然後所以我們需要的補助多不但需要行政院的核定而且希望補助的金額能夠越多越好所以我在這裡再一次跟行政院爭取我們認為這條是有需要的對新北市是重要的所以我們希望這條行政院能夠盡速核定\n\n08:17.340 --> 08:37.608\n這一條確實是可以讓林口新市鎮這一帶包括龜山很多產業他的包括卡車他的包括車輛往西濱往淡江大橋往這個桃園機場的運送所以他不是只有這一段的消費而他是延伸到整個區塊所以\n\n08:39.429 --> 08:57.712\n即便現在錢看起來多,但是我覺得它的效益是無遠弗屆的,所以這條實在要請中央大力支持。也可以減輕林口交流道跟五五交流道的負擔。所以這不只是一圈一段的問題嘛,這是第一個。第二個是我更熟悉的,也就是剛剛說的台65號快速道路的部分。\n\n08:58.112 --> 08:58.372\n蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧蘇巧慧\n\n09:26.664 --> 09:27.024\n先請部長講一下進度\n\n09:56.416 --> 10:21.450\n我想現在如果大家行經這個北二高從龍潭一直到中和特別是從大概英哥到中和這一段非常的塞如果這個板農能夠做那讓板橋到這個龍潭這一段有一個第二條這個相關的聯絡的這個快速道路我想對整個疏解北二高這邊的塞車通勤等等的這個\n\n10:22.190 --> 10:22.350\n蘇巧慧\n\n10:43.678 --> 11:08.864\n我們在爭取建設的心情還是是一樣的對新北是好的我們都一樣向行政院爭取相信行政院也會給我們最大的支持跟鼓勵啦所以我們希望有計畫的就趕快核定而有補助就給我們最多的是,更為報告也把這一條列入大細股桃竹廟大細股裡面的重要的一個交通很好預計明年的4月3月到4月就可以提出相關的期中報告\n\n11:09.284 --> 11:36.145\n好,非常好,我們希望整個會越快越好。甚至是我在這裡也要求交通部,是不是可以就新北市已經有的,剛剛在說的,不管您剛剛也聽到,部長剛剛聽到我說的幾類的問題嘛。我認為如果還有機會可以增設,增設公路系統,把公路網串接起來的,我都希望能夠再討論,我們來規劃,並且來繼續支持。所以部長如果有在研議中的計畫,我希望能夠我的辦公室可以得到一份這樣的資料。好。\n\n11:37.646 --> 11:55.700\n這是關於公路網的部分,但是喔,院長,我也剛也跟你提到了,因為新北市就是繞著臺北市這樣的幾個圈圈,可是那個第一圈來講,它的人口稠密實在是太多了,稠密度太高了,高到其實已經沒有空間可以再蓋新的路,這就是我們的現況。\n\n11:56.861 --> 12:22.409\n所以我想來想去真的要解決交通擁捨的問題其實還是必須靠大眾運輸好可是你來看我們去調查這些資料來看這幾年新北市的這個公共運輸狀況其實反而連疫情前的狀況都還沒有回復到沒有回復到疫情前搭乘的狀況更不要說越來越好完全沒有連疫情前的都還沒有你看現在111年搭乘公共運輸\n\n12:25.330 --> 12:26.010\n您覺得這是什麼問題啊?\n\n12:52.056 --> 12:57.041\n我想疫情期間因為大家不鼓勵大家在群聚在一個密閉空間所以那時候的運量包括公車包括捷運也都下跌\n\n13:16.279 --> 13:35.253\n現在疫情之後捷運高鐵大概陸續都有回升台鐵也有回升那唯獨公車還是比去年比疫情前大概還是下跌了我覺得作為一個新北市民我坦白講啦我們搭大眾運輸的比例沒有台北市民高就是因為他的入網不夠方便\n\n13:36.073 --> 14:02.291\n他沒有像台北市民這樣我可能走出去很大一部分的人走出去沒多久就有公車就有捷運我們其實可能要走很久那還不如騎一台摩托車我算給部長跟院長聽如果是我我樹林喔我們坐火車到台北上班單程票是18元一天36元一個月用25天上班好了那就是900塊可是你的TPAS呢目前是1200塊錢\n\n14:04.457 --> 14:20.825\n所以等於是我如果都只能認真上班我沒有出去玩我沒有用到其他的方面其實我買T-pass不會合啦那如果我是三重人我平常是騎我平常是坐公車的好了我平常是坐公車去台北上班三重人到台北公車一段15塊錢嘛\n\n14:22.426 --> 14:37.565\n那15塊上下班30塊一個月25天那更是只要750塊啊所以對我們來講TPAS雖然聽起來很不錯但實際換算以後好像沒有說真的很划算\n\n14:38.146 --> 14:58.152\n所以又不夠方便不夠離我家近錢好像也沒有多省那我為什麼會選擇大眾運輸呢所以我想來想去我想在這裡很誠摯的建議行政院TPOS有沒有可能設計2.0版本他的起因是為了鼓勵更多人使用大眾運輸系統\n\n14:59.332 --> 14:59.532\n院長你怎麼看?\n\n15:16.950 --> 15:31.340\n謝謝委員,我們昨天在院會曾經對過這個公路客運的系統在一後沒有預期的這樣回復做了一個報告案其中對於公路的路線、票價、人力的短缺以及...對啊,因為你看這顯然是不夠划算的,所以兩項都是\n\n15:48.002 --> 15:48.022\n謝謝蘇委員\n\n","segments":[{"start":11.704,"end":14.288,"text":"好,謝謝主席。我們請卓院長。請卓院長備詢。委員長好。"},{"start":26.465,"end":41.234,"text":"院長剛剛我們聽了這個張宏祿委員和吳秉瑞委員的聯合質詢了確實新北的交通問題真的是很多因為我們需要的建設確確實實是非常的多其實如果院長"},{"start":42.094,"end":42.554,"text":"蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧"},{"start":58.004,"end":58.104,"text":"蘇巧慧"},{"start":87.933,"end":92.676,"text":"用Google Map他來看的這張圖是星期一早上8點半的這個雙北的狀況。部長這樣的圖齁,你應該有常常看GoogleMap吧,應該有看過嘛齁,院長應該也有看過,應該能夠理解紅色的線是什麼意思。"},{"start":106.087,"end":108.668,"text":"我自己在看新北交通問題的時候我是把它舒緩成為是一個這樣的同心圓來讓"},{"start":135.915,"end":136.095,"text":"蘇巧慧"},{"start":153.328,"end":181.536,"text":"那還有外面的第二圈那他們的問題其實會都不一樣比如說以靠近台北市的第一圈的話他最需要的就是直接進入台北市的聯絡道路嘛就是跨河進去台北市不管你是用什麼樣的方法反正讓我過了河進到台北市可以上班上學這樣就好可是第二圈的話他就還加上了要如何移動到第一圈才能再往台北市前進"},{"start":182.376,"end":206.724,"text":"所以第二圈連第一圈的道路對我們來講就非常非常的重要這甚至包括了你在設計快速道路的時候如果能夠有像剛剛秉瑞委員在說的不管是國道一號的交流道也好或者是快速道路的新莊的這種它的閘道能夠增加也好對我們來講其實都是第二圈和第一圈之間能夠再多有"},{"start":207.264,"end":211.266,"text":"第三類的問題是如果我們能夠把這個第二圈的這個部分就像我現在列的這邊齁是林口、巴黎啊或者是我自己土樹山陰等等這些地方"},{"start":230.353,"end":230.593,"text":"蘇巧慧"},{"start":246.266,"end":270.137,"text":"那其實對於不但我們彼此之間的交通可以快速而且對於舒緩前面第一圈的交通流量當然也是大幅減輕這個道理也是非常非常清楚這完全沒有問題吧好那我們就回到實際例子來看我必須在這裡齁我先在這裡啦先在這裡感謝行政院這幾年對我們新北的建設我就以"},{"start":270.797,"end":288.573,"text":"我自己的選區遭遇的例子也就是公路體系符合今天我要質詢的題目公路體系來講我必須說這兩條交通建設對我們來講非常非常的有效像是台65這個快速道路增設一個福州橋閘道這個地方全部的預算4.7億全部都是中央出的啊"},{"start":295.95,"end":317.482,"text":"但同樣一個快速道路就因為增設了這樣一個閘道我每次這樣往返的時間可以少20分鐘以上這個車程是整個地方大家都撐到的部分因為它就有效疏解了我們的第二類問題嘛我們不用再進到進到第一圈裡面我們第二圈自己就可以處理了這就是舒緩好"},{"start":318.983,"end":342.979,"text":"還有另外環快道路就是剛剛吳秉瑞委員再再的提到這個所謂要通車新北市政府到底有沒有邀請中央的這個部分這一條我們這個環口的快速道路即將通車也是中央政府不但從規劃一直到預算是全部都是中央出的這一條呢更是大大了解決了"},{"start":343.92,"end":369.282,"text":"我們新莊樹林英哥這種外圈的串聯之外當然也疏解了如何進去第一圈進到臺北市這樣的交通問題所以這兩項建設都大獲好評那用這樣的例子我今天既然院長你也完全認同我剛剛的說法我剛剛花了5分鐘的時間在跟你溝通這個而且也實力給你看了"},{"start":370.023,"end":393.181,"text":"那麼今天我有兩項,是不是請院長這邊可以在備詢臺正式的承諾吼。那第一個就是我們的林口到巴黎的105號這個市道的部分。如果用剛剛的這個同心園來看,其實這條是林口到巴黎之間喔。因為它的山路很崎嶇嘛,其實路況很差。如果這個地方的市道能夠做起來,"},{"start":394.342,"end":394.622,"text":"市政府這邊?"},{"start":416.65,"end":416.77,"text":"蘇巧慧"},{"start":433.463,"end":447.92,"text":"謝謝蘇委員剛剛所提到的我想行政院過去以來到現在不會看地方執政是誰當然建設是一體的國家是大家的對新北市的補助規劃也都相當好也得到大家的肯定也謝謝委員在各地的爭取"},{"start":448.541,"end":449.182,"text":"綠條是非常非常的有需要啦"},{"start":465.796,"end":495.419,"text":"但是因為我們都知道他的公法是比較難一點所以金額也很大我們在這裡期待的是吼我們已經不是第一次關心這個不是在這裡才開始關心嘛就是因為金額大然後所以我們需要的補助多不但需要行政院的核定而且希望補助的金額能夠越多越好所以我在這裡再一次跟行政院爭取我們認為這條是有需要的對新北市是重要的所以我們希望這條行政院能夠盡速核定"},{"start":497.34,"end":517.608,"text":"這一條確實是可以讓林口新市鎮這一帶包括龜山很多產業他的包括卡車他的包括車輛往西濱往淡江大橋往這個桃園機場的運送所以他不是只有這一段的消費而他是延伸到整個區塊所以"},{"start":519.429,"end":537.712,"text":"即便現在錢看起來多,但是我覺得它的效益是無遠弗屆的,所以這條實在要請中央大力支持。也可以減輕林口交流道跟五五交流道的負擔。所以這不只是一圈一段的問題嘛,這是第一個。第二個是我更熟悉的,也就是剛剛說的台65號快速道路的部分。"},{"start":538.112,"end":538.372,"text":"蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧 蘇巧慧"},{"start":566.664,"end":567.024,"text":"先請部長講一下進度"},{"start":596.416,"end":621.45,"text":"我想現在如果大家行經這個北二高從龍潭一直到中和特別是從大概英哥到中和這一段非常的塞如果這個板農能夠做那讓板橋到這個龍潭這一段有一個第二條這個相關的聯絡的這個快速道路我想對整個疏解北二高這邊的塞車通勤等等的這個"},{"start":622.19,"end":622.35,"text":"蘇巧慧"},{"start":643.678,"end":668.864,"text":"我們在爭取建設的心情還是是一樣的對新北是好的我們都一樣向行政院爭取相信行政院也會給我們最大的支持跟鼓勵啦所以我們希望有計畫的就趕快核定而有補助就給我們最多的是,更為報告也把這一條列入大細股桃竹廟大細股裡面的重要的一個交通很好預計明年的4月3月到4月就可以提出相關的期中報告"},{"start":669.284,"end":696.145,"text":"好,非常好,我們希望整個會越快越好。甚至是我在這裡也要求交通部,是不是可以就新北市已經有的,剛剛在說的,不管您剛剛也聽到,部長剛剛聽到我說的幾類的問題嘛。我認為如果還有機會可以增設,增設公路系統,把公路網串接起來的,我都希望能夠再討論,我們來規劃,並且來繼續支持。所以部長如果有在研議中的計畫,我希望能夠我的辦公室可以得到一份這樣的資料。好。"},{"start":697.646,"end":715.7,"text":"這是關於公路網的部分,但是喔,院長,我也剛也跟你提到了,因為新北市就是繞著臺北市這樣的幾個圈圈,可是那個第一圈來講,它的人口稠密實在是太多了,稠密度太高了,高到其實已經沒有空間可以再蓋新的路,這就是我們的現況。"},{"start":716.861,"end":742.409,"text":"所以我想來想去真的要解決交通擁捨的問題其實還是必須靠大眾運輸好可是你來看我們去調查這些資料來看這幾年新北市的這個公共運輸狀況其實反而連疫情前的狀況都還沒有回復到沒有回復到疫情前搭乘的狀況更不要說越來越好完全沒有連疫情前的都還沒有你看現在111年搭乘公共運輸"},{"start":745.33,"end":746.01,"text":"您覺得這是什麼問題啊?"},{"start":772.056,"end":777.041,"text":"我想疫情期間因為大家不鼓勵大家在群聚在一個密閉空間所以那時候的運量包括公車包括捷運也都下跌"},{"start":796.279,"end":815.253,"text":"現在疫情之後捷運高鐵大概陸續都有回升台鐵也有回升那唯獨公車還是比去年比疫情前大概還是下跌了我覺得作為一個新北市民我坦白講啦我們搭大眾運輸的比例沒有台北市民高就是因為他的入網不夠方便"},{"start":816.073,"end":842.291,"text":"他沒有像台北市民這樣我可能走出去很大一部分的人走出去沒多久就有公車就有捷運我們其實可能要走很久那還不如騎一台摩托車我算給部長跟院長聽如果是我我樹林喔我們坐火車到台北上班單程票是18元一天36元一個月用25天上班好了那就是900塊可是你的TPAS呢目前是1200塊錢"},{"start":844.457,"end":860.825,"text":"所以等於是我如果都只能認真上班我沒有出去玩我沒有用到其他的方面其實我買T-pass不會合啦那如果我是三重人我平常是騎我平常是坐公車的好了我平常是坐公車去台北上班三重人到台北公車一段15塊錢嘛"},{"start":862.426,"end":877.565,"text":"那15塊上下班30塊一個月25天那更是只要750塊啊所以對我們來講TPAS雖然聽起來很不錯但實際換算以後好像沒有說真的很划算"},{"start":878.146,"end":898.152,"text":"所以又不夠方便不夠離我家近錢好像也沒有多省那我為什麼會選擇大眾運輸呢所以我想來想去我想在這裡很誠摯的建議行政院TPOS有沒有可能設計2.0版本他的起因是為了鼓勵更多人使用大眾運輸系統"},{"start":899.332,"end":899.532,"text":"院長你怎麼看?"},{"start":916.95,"end":931.34,"text":"謝謝委員,我們昨天在院會曾經對過這個公路客運的系統在一後沒有預期的這樣回復做了一個報告案其中對於公路的路線、票價、人力的短缺以及...對啊,因為你看這顯然是不夠划算的,所以兩項都是"},{"start":948.002,"end":948.022,"text":"謝謝蘇委員"}]}}}}