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00:02:32,848\n大家是沒有一個共識那我想請教就是說院長跟部長是不是可以來協助讓這個彰化的這個重大建設能夠儘速來啟動那我知道就是說如果這個中央這邊沒有儘速來協助的話我可能可以預測可能經過四年之後可能都還停留在綜合規劃所以我是不是可以請院長或部長來回應一下\n\n7\n00:02:33,336 --> 00:02:34,618\n張化市的鐵路高架有一個非常重要就是有一個機務段需要遷移\n\n8\n00:02:45,018 --> 00:03:12,527\n華潭那一段。就是這個鐵道局這邊是希望能夠牽到華潭或二水。那彰化縣政府是希望能夠牽到大渡。所以我們是希望就是當然這個縣府跟這個交通部這邊我們希望當然能夠有一個共識最好。那如果現在完全都沒有一個共識的話是不是我拜託院長這邊可以這邊介入來協助。\n\n9\n00:03:13,700 --> 00:03:38,954\n交通部已經跟縣政府在協商請交通部報告到目前的進度呢?章化縣政府已經在今年的6月26有一個正式公文他們同意就是採用花壇跟二水結合的這個方案那原則上已經不堅持是把這個機場移到這個大渡區因為坦白說如果設在大渡那我們的主發站是在章化\n\n10\n00:03:39,614 --> 00:04:00,849\n那他的車輛是有一點違背這個調度的原則,會從北邊要往南到彰化站,從大渡再調到彰化站,然後再從大渡站出發到這個樹林。所以這樣的調度方法是違背鐵路台鐵的這個一般的調度原則。所以他們台鐵還是期待是在二水跟花潭這邊來設相關的調度場。\n\n11\n00:04:02,130 --> 00:04:22,871\n好,所以目前為止是縣政府這邊原則同意是在華潭跟二水。好,那後續呢?後續就是要把這個中規在這個原則之下中規來做一個審核。那中規如果核定就等於開始啟動設計跟發包的階段。是,那預計還要多久?\n\n12\n00:04:23,772 --> 00:04:27,553\n所以預計是在今年年底綜合規劃的部分可以完成?包括經過國化會的審議,還有經過報院的核可。\n\n13\n00:04:48,738 --> 00:05:04,425\n這是我們期待啊,那個部長我真的是期待你上任之後,因為你也是彰化人啊,所以真的這個對彰化是有一個很大的一個算是重大的建設,而且對彰化的發展真的是影響非常的大。所以你是彰化人,你也是會大人耶。\n\n14\n00:05:05,365 --> 00:05:06,306\n另外一個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化呢?\n\n15\n00:05:32,216 --> 00:06:00,052\n目前是有條件的通過可行性評估嗎?對,那後續的部分我是不是可以請這個縣府當然縣府也有一些他們就是說他們已經送這個張東的這個擴大都市計畫嗎?那我想請教就是說未來這個可能也需要縣府跟這個交通部這邊一起來合作才有辦法競速來完成。\n\n16\n00:06:01,247 --> 00:06:27,534\n跟委員報告就是當時會先核定可行因為主要這個一直糾結在那裡就是因為張東都市計畫的內容縣府這邊一直都沒有辦法定案那也沒有辦法經過內政部的核准那時候就會到底是都市計畫要先定案還是捷運可行性要先核定那後來院裡面在政府院長的協調下先讓可行性先通過那但是有一個但書就是在中規之前\n\n17\n00:06:28,114 --> 00:06:28,154\n﹝發言委員﹞\n\n18\n00:06:56,759 --> 00:07:11,388\n我是不是也可以請這個這個也是重大健身對整個彰化市的這個發展非常的重要所以我是不是也可以拜託院長這邊可以指派就是說政委也好或者是交通部這邊可以\n\n19\n00:07:12,909 --> 00:07:38,949\n江華縣政府能夠儘速把這個需要具備的這些這個比如說我們的都市計畫也好或者是可能一些資料能夠完備儘速讓這個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化能夠儘速來完成那不然其實這一段沒有這個如果沒辦法資料沒有辦法完成或者是都市計畫沒辦法完成的話其實也會影響到整個\n\n20\n00:07:39,969 --> 00:07:54,178\n臺中捷運綠線延伸北延到大坑的這個整個期程可能也都會有延誤所以我們是不是可以拜託我們的這個院長針對這個延伸到彰化那是不是也要協助我們彰化縣政府這邊來競速來完成\n\n21\n00:07:57,129 --> 00:08:22,672\n現在謝謝委員因為彰化縣政府要補送資料到內政部的都市審議委員會那都市審議委員會跟內政部會一起協助彰化縣政府來加速完成這樣的工作那我也請委員能夠幫忙跟彰化縣政府說盡量收集地方的意見之後到底要採取區段徵收或者什麼樣的選擇方式趕快來確定之後將他送到都委會來那內政部會加速來安排讓他找到定案\n\n22\n00:08:23,332 --> 00:08:45,969\n我剛從下午聽了好幾位委員在講說整個不論是鐵路要地下化或者是高架其實我都覺得說我們彰化的這個鐵路高架已經講了將近20年到現在我從我第一屆當立委的時候幾乎只要是院長來備詢的我都會提到我們彰化的鐵路高架跟捷運綠線\n\n23\n00:08:47,270 --> 00:09:03,751\n所以到現在我都覺得都還在這個綜合規劃當中真的蠻可惜的啦如果可以進速的話其實可以看到整個彰化的一個這個發展應該是會非常迅速因為彰化是六都以外人口最多的地方\n\n24\n00:09:04,232 --> 00:09:04,252\n﹝廣告﹞\n\n25\n00:09:27,892 --> 00:09:46,986\n我會要求內政部請彰化縣政府能夠加速辦理。當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然\n\n26\n00:09:57,022 --> 00:10:03,607\n我也是每一次這個新的院長在這邊備選的時候我一定要讓院長知道這個全台灣唯一一個扇形車庫也是亞洲唯二的一個扇形車庫那\n\n27\n00:10:15,776 --> 00:10:16,296\n國定古蹟塞行車庫\n\n28\n00:10:33,469 --> 00:10:33,629\n﹚黃秀芳\n\n29\n00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:49,761\n﹚三、7月5日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。﹚黃秀芳\n\n30\n00:11:12,445 --> 00:11:18,784\n那我是不是可以請求我們院長可以比照我們北部有一個鐵道博物館\n\n31\n00:11:21,503 --> 00:11:43,029\n這個院長你應該要想到就是說亞洲唯二的這個扇形車庫是多麼的珍貴又是國定古蹟那旁邊如果還有一個這個鐵路宿舍群如果可以整個全部整修起來其實就像我們這個嘉義的這個生活快意村一樣那可以吸引很多的\n\n32\n00:11:43,609 --> 00:11:48,093\n國定古蹟、扇形車庫旁邊又有一個鐵路宿舍群。未來這個地方是不是有可能成為我們的鐵道博物館的分館?\n\n33\n00:12:05,868 --> 00:12:28,588\n台北或是其他包括苗栗都有一些鐵路的博物館或園區的規劃我剛剛部長講或是我們去看一下這個扇形的車庫文資的保護已經是國定的古蹟了那政府當然有責任要去做更好的規劃除了保存之外能夠有適度的活用讓他跟民眾接近那我們在現場看看能不能做什麼的協助\n\n34\n00:12:29,769 --> 00:12:47,001\n我是不是跟院長這邊約個時間,我們實際到地方去看一下,除了看扇形車庫之外,我們也要去看旁邊的這個舊的鐵路宿舍群。如果整個旁邊可以整個把它活絡起來,其實一方面也可以帶動我們彰化的地方的觀光。\n\n35\n00:12:47,742 --> 00:13:07,482\n那又結合我們未來的鐵路高架化其實整個彰化的進步就是在這邊所以在這邊要再次的拜託院長真的針對我們彰化的重大建設這兩項真的要拜託院長真的關注一下那能夠盡速讓這兩項的重大工程能夠盡速動工\n\n36\n00:13:08,763 --> 00:13:28,880\n是,我想跟委員報告,善行車庫確實是彰化的一個寶貝,那也是國定古蹟是很多鐵道迷一定會去朝聖的地方,那也因為這樣所以鐵路高架遇到這個善行車庫就花了很多的困難要去克服,那也是因為這樣所以彰化的鐵路高架會比較複雜,比較\n\n37\n00:13:30,921 --> 00:13:56,327\n因為為了讓善行車庫可以繼續運作還要多拉一條軌道那這個部分也都放在我們這次的整個規劃高價的規劃案那這個很早之前就有定下來就是說善行車庫他是要保留是要保留而且是活化的不是變成一個就是一個沒有在活用的一個地方他是還是繼續可以做他\n\n38\n00:13:56,807 --> 00:13:56,967\n﹚黃秀芳\n\n39\n00:14:25,956 --> 00:14:52,396\n那在前陣子在彰化就有這個娃娃車車禍那小朋友就跑出車外那一個是跑出車外一個是這個顱骨嚴重的這個骨折所以我們希望就是說針對這個娃娃車的這個部分就是希望交通部這邊針對這一部分是不是你們要去看一下也要去這個找專家學者來研議\n\n40\n00:14:53,157 --> 00:15:14,268\n好,針對我們現在說這個娃娃車,這個幼兒的專用車它是沒有安全帶的嘛,那有安全帶跟沒有安全帶它的差別,我們現在坐車一定要用安全帶,可是我們的這個幼兒專用車反而是沒有,那這樣子的話會不會造成,如果萬一碰撞的時候,這個我們的幼童它是拋出車外,\n\n41\n00:15:15,388 --> 00:15:20,671\n拜託交通部針對這部分也要去找專家學生來研議要怎麼樣去做幼兒專用車經濟要如何去改善\n\n42\n00:15:47,732 --> 00:15:47,752\n好,謝謝。\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7332\t10255\t謝謝主席。我們請院長。請院長備詢。方委員好。\n20016\t46838\t院長我想說在今年3月份的時候我質詢陳建仁院長的時候我也特別提到彰化市的兩個重大的建設一個是彰化市的鐵路高架另外一個是台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化這兩個重大的交通建設那我想請教就是說其實這兩個重大的建設在地方甚至在中央也\n47810\t71465\t一直提到現在我從我當議員到現在也將近20年的時間那這20年的時間我看到從地方的規劃中央的規劃一直到現在彰化市的鐵路高架現在是目前是進入到綜合規劃在111年的時候行政院這邊通過這個可行性研究那到這個111年5月27號啟動綜合規劃的作業那到現在\n77569\t106004\t今年3月份的時候我這個質詢我們陳建仁院長的時候那時候有特別提到感覺好像從111年到現在完全都沒有什麼進度那我當時就有特別提到就是說是不是可以每三個月讓本席知道目前這兩個重大建設的進度到底如何那我收到在5月份的時候交通部這邊也有給我一個這個結論就是說目前在今年\n106824\t123470\t三月份有召開協商會議,目前彰化鐵路高架基地位置,彰化縣政府跟交通部這一邊鐵道局這個位置,\n124130\t152848\t大家是沒有一個共識那我想請教就是說院長跟部長是不是可以來協助讓這個彰化的這個重大建設能夠儘速來啟動那我知道就是說如果這個中央這邊沒有儘速來協助的話我可能可以預測可能經過四年之後可能都還停留在綜合規劃所以我是不是可以請院長或部長來回應一下\n153336\t154618\t張化市的鐵路高架有一個非常重要就是有一個機務段需要遷移\n165018\t192527\t華潭那一段。就是這個鐵道局這邊是希望能夠牽到華潭或二水。那彰化縣政府是希望能夠牽到大渡。所以我們是希望就是當然這個縣府跟這個交通部這邊我們希望當然能夠有一個共識最好。那如果現在完全都沒有一個共識的話是不是我拜託院長這邊可以這邊介入來協助。\n193700\t218954\t交通部已經跟縣政府在協商請交通部報告到目前的進度呢?章化縣政府已經在今年的6月26有一個正式公文他們同意就是採用花壇跟二水結合的這個方案那原則上已經不堅持是把這個機場移到這個大渡區因為坦白說如果設在大渡那我們的主發站是在章化\n219614\t240849\t那他的車輛是有一點違背這個調度的原則,會從北邊要往南到彰化站,從大渡再調到彰化站,然後再從大渡站出發到這個樹林。所以這樣的調度方法是違背鐵路台鐵的這個一般的調度原則。所以他們台鐵還是期待是在二水跟花潭這邊來設相關的調度場。\n242130\t262871\t好,所以目前為止是縣政府這邊原則同意是在華潭跟二水。好,那後續呢?後續就是要把這個中規在這個原則之下中規來做一個審核。那中規如果核定就等於開始啟動設計跟發包的階段。是,那預計還要多久?\n263772\t267553\t所以預計是在今年年底綜合規劃的部分可以完成?包括經過國化會的審議,還有經過報院的核可。\n288738\t304425\t這是我們期待啊,那個部長我真的是期待你上任之後,因為你也是彰化人啊,所以真的這個對彰化是有一個很大的一個算是重大的建設,而且對彰化的發展真的是影響非常的大。所以你是彰化人,你也是會大人耶。\n305365\t306306\t另外一個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化呢?\n332216\t360052\t目前是有條件的通過可行性評估嗎?對,那後續的部分我是不是可以請這個縣府當然縣府也有一些他們就是說他們已經送這個張東的這個擴大都市計畫嗎?那我想請教就是說未來這個可能也需要縣府跟這個交通部這邊一起來合作才有辦法競速來完成。\n361247\t387534\t跟委員報告就是當時會先核定可行因為主要這個一直糾結在那裡就是因為張東都市計畫的內容縣府這邊一直都沒有辦法定案那也沒有辦法經過內政部的核准那時候就會到底是都市計畫要先定案還是捷運可行性要先核定那後來院裡面在政府院長的協調下先讓可行性先通過那但是有一個但書就是在中規之前\n388114\t388154\t﹝發言委員﹞\n416759\t431388\t我是不是也可以請這個這個也是重大健身對整個彰化市的這個發展非常的重要所以我是不是也可以拜託院長這邊可以指派就是說政委也好或者是交通部這邊可以\n432909\t458949\t江華縣政府能夠儘速把這個需要具備的這些這個比如說我們的都市計畫也好或者是可能一些資料能夠完備儘速讓這個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化能夠儘速來完成那不然其實這一段沒有這個如果沒辦法資料沒有辦法完成或者是都市計畫沒辦法完成的話其實也會影響到整個\n459969\t474178\t臺中捷運綠線延伸北延到大坑的這個整個期程可能也都會有延誤所以我們是不是可以拜託我們的這個院長針對這個延伸到彰化那是不是也要協助我們彰化縣政府這邊來競速來完成\n477129\t502672\t現在謝謝委員因為彰化縣政府要補送資料到內政部的都市審議委員會那都市審議委員會跟內政部會一起協助彰化縣政府來加速完成這樣的工作那我也請委員能夠幫忙跟彰化縣政府說盡量收集地方的意見之後到底要採取區段徵收或者什麼樣的選擇方式趕快來確定之後將他送到都委會來那內政部會加速來安排讓他找到定案\n503332\t525969\t我剛從下午聽了好幾位委員在講說整個不論是鐵路要地下化或者是高架其實我都覺得說我們彰化的這個鐵路高架已經講了將近20年到現在我從我第一屆當立委的時候幾乎只要是院長來備詢的我都會提到我們彰化的鐵路高架跟捷運綠線\n527270\t543751\t所以到現在我都覺得都還在這個綜合規劃當中真的蠻可惜的啦如果可以進速的話其實可以看到整個彰化的一個這個發展應該是會非常迅速因為彰化是六都以外人口最多的地方\n544232\t544252\t﹝廣告﹞\n567892\t586986\t我會要求內政部請彰化縣政府能夠加速辦理。當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然\n597022\t603607\t我也是每一次這個新的院長在這邊備選的時候我一定要讓院長知道這個全台灣唯一一個扇形車庫也是亞洲唯二的一個扇形車庫那\n615776\t616296\t國定古蹟 塞行車庫\n633469\t633629\t﹚黃秀芳\n648800\t649761\t﹚三、7月5日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。﹚黃秀芳\n672445\t678784\t那我是不是可以請求我們院長可以比照我們北部有一個鐵道博物館\n681503\t703029\t這個院長你應該要想到就是說亞洲唯二的這個扇形車庫是多麼的珍貴又是國定古蹟那旁邊如果還有一個這個鐵路宿舍群如果可以整個全部整修起來其實就像我們這個嘉義的這個生活快意村一樣那可以吸引很多的\n703609\t708093\t國定古蹟、扇形車庫旁邊又有一個鐵路宿舍群。未來這個地方是不是有可能成為我們的鐵道博物館的分館?\n725868\t748588\t台北或是其他包括苗栗都有一些鐵路的博物館或園區的規劃我剛剛部長講或是我們去看一下這個扇形的車庫文資的保護已經是國定的古蹟了那政府當然有責任要去做更好的規劃除了保存之外能夠有適度的活用讓他跟民眾接近那我們在現場看看能不能做什麼的協助\n749769\t767001\t我是不是跟院長這邊約個時間,我們實際到地方去看一下,除了看扇形車庫之外,我們也要去看旁邊的這個舊的鐵路宿舍群。如果整個旁邊可以整個把它活絡起來,其實一方面也可以帶動我們彰化的地方的觀光。\n767742\t787482\t那又結合我們未來的鐵路高架化其實整個彰化的進步就是在這邊所以在這邊要再次的拜託院長真的針對我們彰化的重大建設這兩項真的要拜託院長真的關注一下那能夠盡速讓這兩項的重大工程能夠盡速動工\n788763\t808880\t是,我想跟委員報告,善行車庫確實是彰化的一個寶貝,那也是國定古蹟是很多鐵道迷一定會去朝聖的地方,那也因為這樣所以鐵路高架遇到這個善行車庫就花了很多的困難要去克服,那也是因為這樣所以彰化的鐵路高架會比較複雜,比較\n810921\t836327\t因為為了讓善行車庫可以繼續運作還要多拉一條軌道那這個部分也都放在我們這次的整個規劃高價的規劃案那這個很早之前就有定下來就是說善行車庫他是要保留是要保留而且是活化的不是變成一個就是一個沒有在活用的一個地方他是還是繼續可以做他\n836807\t836967\t﹚黃秀芳\n865956\t892396\t那在前陣子在彰化就有這個娃娃車車禍那小朋友就跑出車外那一個是跑出車外一個是這個顱骨嚴重的這個骨折所以我們希望就是說針對這個娃娃車的這個部分就是希望交通部這邊針對這一部分是不是你們要去看一下也要去這個找專家學者來研議\n893157\t914268\t好,針對我們現在說這個娃娃車,這個幼兒的專用車它是沒有安全帶的嘛,那有安全帶跟沒有安全帶它的差別,我們現在坐車一定要用安全帶,可是我們的這個幼兒專用車反而是沒有,那這樣子的話會不會造成,如果萬一碰撞的時候,這個我們的幼童它是拋出車外,\n915388\t920671\t拜託交通部針對這部分也要去找專家學生來研議要怎麼樣去做幼兒專用車經濟要如何去改善\n947732\t947752\t好,謝謝。\n","txt":"謝謝主席。我們請院長。請院長備詢。方委員好。\n院長我想說在今年3月份的時候我質詢陳建仁院長的時候我也特別提到彰化市的兩個重大的建設一個是彰化市的鐵路高架另外一個是台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化這兩個重大的交通建設那我想請教就是說其實這兩個重大的建設在地方甚至在中央也\n一直提到現在我從我當議員到現在也將近20年的時間那這20年的時間我看到從地方的規劃中央的規劃一直到現在彰化市的鐵路高架現在是目前是進入到綜合規劃在111年的時候行政院這邊通過這個可行性研究那到這個111年5月27號啟動綜合規劃的作業那到現在\n今年3月份的時候我這個質詢我們陳建仁院長的時候那時候有特別提到感覺好像從111年到現在完全都沒有什麼進度那我當時就有特別提到就是說是不是可以每三個月讓本席知道目前這兩個重大建設的進度到底如何那我收到在5月份的時候交通部這邊也有給我一個這個結論就是說目前在今年\n三月份有召開協商會議,目前彰化鐵路高架基地位置,彰化縣政府跟交通部這一邊鐵道局這個位置,\n大家是沒有一個共識那我想請教就是說院長跟部長是不是可以來協助讓這個彰化的這個重大建設能夠儘速來啟動那我知道就是說如果這個中央這邊沒有儘速來協助的話我可能可以預測可能經過四年之後可能都還停留在綜合規劃所以我是不是可以請院長或部長來回應一下\n張化市的鐵路高架有一個非常重要就是有一個機務段需要遷移\n華潭那一段。就是這個鐵道局這邊是希望能夠牽到華潭或二水。那彰化縣政府是希望能夠牽到大渡。所以我們是希望就是當然這個縣府跟這個交通部這邊我們希望當然能夠有一個共識最好。那如果現在完全都沒有一個共識的話是不是我拜託院長這邊可以這邊介入來協助。\n交通部已經跟縣政府在協商請交通部報告到目前的進度呢?章化縣政府已經在今年的6月26有一個正式公文他們同意就是採用花壇跟二水結合的這個方案那原則上已經不堅持是把這個機場移到這個大渡區因為坦白說如果設在大渡那我們的主發站是在章化\n那他的車輛是有一點違背這個調度的原則,會從北邊要往南到彰化站,從大渡再調到彰化站,然後再從大渡站出發到這個樹林。所以這樣的調度方法是違背鐵路台鐵的這個一般的調度原則。所以他們台鐵還是期待是在二水跟花潭這邊來設相關的調度場。\n好,所以目前為止是縣政府這邊原則同意是在華潭跟二水。好,那後續呢?後續就是要把這個中規在這個原則之下中規來做一個審核。那中規如果核定就等於開始啟動設計跟發包的階段。是,那預計還要多久?\n所以預計是在今年年底綜合規劃的部分可以完成?包括經過國化會的審議,還有經過報院的核可。\n這是我們期待啊,那個部長我真的是期待你上任之後,因為你也是彰化人啊,所以真的這個對彰化是有一個很大的一個算是重大的建設,而且對彰化的發展真的是影響非常的大。所以你是彰化人,你也是會大人耶。\n另外一個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化呢?\n目前是有條件的通過可行性評估嗎?對,那後續的部分我是不是可以請這個縣府當然縣府也有一些他們就是說他們已經送這個張東的這個擴大都市計畫嗎?那我想請教就是說未來這個可能也需要縣府跟這個交通部這邊一起來合作才有辦法競速來完成。\n跟委員報告就是當時會先核定可行因為主要這個一直糾結在那裡就是因為張東都市計畫的內容縣府這邊一直都沒有辦法定案那也沒有辦法經過內政部的核准那時候就會到底是都市計畫要先定案還是捷運可行性要先核定那後來院裡面在政府院長的協調下先讓可行性先通過那但是有一個但書就是在中規之前\n﹝發言委員﹞\n我是不是也可以請這個這個也是重大健身對整個彰化市的這個發展非常的重要所以我是不是也可以拜託院長這邊可以指派就是說政委也好或者是交通部這邊可以\n江華縣政府能夠儘速把這個需要具備的這些這個比如說我們的都市計畫也好或者是可能一些資料能夠完備儘速讓這個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化能夠儘速來完成那不然其實這一段沒有這個如果沒辦法資料沒有辦法完成或者是都市計畫沒辦法完成的話其實也會影響到整個\n臺中捷運綠線延伸北延到大坑的這個整個期程可能也都會有延誤所以我們是不是可以拜託我們的這個院長針對這個延伸到彰化那是不是也要協助我們彰化縣政府這邊來競速來完成\n現在謝謝委員因為彰化縣政府要補送資料到內政部的都市審議委員會那都市審議委員會跟內政部會一起協助彰化縣政府來加速完成這樣的工作那我也請委員能夠幫忙跟彰化縣政府說盡量收集地方的意見之後到底要採取區段徵收或者什麼樣的選擇方式趕快來確定之後將他送到都委會來那內政部會加速來安排讓他找到定案\n我剛從下午聽了好幾位委員在講說整個不論是鐵路要地下化或者是高架其實我都覺得說我們彰化的這個鐵路高架已經講了將近20年到現在我從我第一屆當立委的時候幾乎只要是院長來備詢的我都會提到我們彰化的鐵路高架跟捷運綠線\n所以到現在我都覺得都還在這個綜合規劃當中真的蠻可惜的啦如果可以進速的話其實可以看到整個彰化的一個這個發展應該是會非常迅速因為彰化是六都以外人口最多的地方\n﹝廣告﹞\n我會要求內政部請彰化縣政府能夠加速辦理。當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然\n我也是每一次這個新的院長在這邊備選的時候我一定要讓院長知道這個全台灣唯一一個扇形車庫也是亞洲唯二的一個扇形車庫那\n國定古蹟 塞行車庫\n﹚黃秀芳\n﹚三、7月5日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。﹚黃秀芳\n那我是不是可以請求我們院長可以比照我們北部有一個鐵道博物館\n這個院長你應該要想到就是說亞洲唯二的這個扇形車庫是多麼的珍貴又是國定古蹟那旁邊如果還有一個這個鐵路宿舍群如果可以整個全部整修起來其實就像我們這個嘉義的這個生活快意村一樣那可以吸引很多的\n國定古蹟、扇形車庫旁邊又有一個鐵路宿舍群。未來這個地方是不是有可能成為我們的鐵道博物館的分館?\n台北或是其他包括苗栗都有一些鐵路的博物館或園區的規劃我剛剛部長講或是我們去看一下這個扇形的車庫文資的保護已經是國定的古蹟了那政府當然有責任要去做更好的規劃除了保存之外能夠有適度的活用讓他跟民眾接近那我們在現場看看能不能做什麼的協助\n我是不是跟院長這邊約個時間,我們實際到地方去看一下,除了看扇形車庫之外,我們也要去看旁邊的這個舊的鐵路宿舍群。如果整個旁邊可以整個把它活絡起來,其實一方面也可以帶動我們彰化的地方的觀光。\n那又結合我們未來的鐵路高架化其實整個彰化的進步就是在這邊所以在這邊要再次的拜託院長真的針對我們彰化的重大建設這兩項真的要拜託院長真的關注一下那能夠盡速讓這兩項的重大工程能夠盡速動工\n是,我想跟委員報告,善行車庫確實是彰化的一個寶貝,那也是國定古蹟是很多鐵道迷一定會去朝聖的地方,那也因為這樣所以鐵路高架遇到這個善行車庫就花了很多的困難要去克服,那也是因為這樣所以彰化的鐵路高架會比較複雜,比較\n因為為了讓善行車庫可以繼續運作還要多拉一條軌道那這個部分也都放在我們這次的整個規劃高價的規劃案那這個很早之前就有定下來就是說善行車庫他是要保留是要保留而且是活化的不是變成一個就是一個沒有在活用的一個地方他是還是繼續可以做他\n﹚黃秀芳\n那在前陣子在彰化就有這個娃娃車車禍那小朋友就跑出車外那一個是跑出車外一個是這個顱骨嚴重的這個骨折所以我們希望就是說針對這個娃娃車的這個部分就是希望交通部這邊針對這一部分是不是你們要去看一下也要去這個找專家學者來研議\n好,針對我們現在說這個娃娃車,這個幼兒的專用車它是沒有安全帶的嘛,那有安全帶跟沒有安全帶它的差別,我們現在坐車一定要用安全帶,可是我們的這個幼兒專用車反而是沒有,那這樣子的話會不會造成,如果萬一碰撞的時候,這個我們的幼童它是拋出車外,\n拜託交通部針對這部分也要去找專家學生來研議要怎麼樣去做幼兒專用車經濟要如何去改善\n好,謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.332 --> 00:10.255\n謝謝主席。我們請院長。請院長備詢。方委員好。\n\n00:20.016 --> 00:46.838\n院長我想說在今年3月份的時候我質詢陳建仁院長的時候我也特別提到彰化市的兩個重大的建設一個是彰化市的鐵路高架另外一個是台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化這兩個重大的交通建設那我想請教就是說其實這兩個重大的建設在地方甚至在中央也\n\n00:47.810 --> 01:11.465\n一直提到現在我從我當議員到現在也將近20年的時間那這20年的時間我看到從地方的規劃中央的規劃一直到現在彰化市的鐵路高架現在是目前是進入到綜合規劃在111年的時候行政院這邊通過這個可行性研究那到這個111年5月27號啟動綜合規劃的作業那到現在\n\n01:17.569 --> 01:46.004\n今年3月份的時候我這個質詢我們陳建仁院長的時候那時候有特別提到感覺好像從111年到現在完全都沒有什麼進度那我當時就有特別提到就是說是不是可以每三個月讓本席知道目前這兩個重大建設的進度到底如何那我收到在5月份的時候交通部這邊也有給我一個這個結論就是說目前在今年\n\n01:46.824 --> 02:03.470\n三月份有召開協商會議,目前彰化鐵路高架基地位置,彰化縣政府跟交通部這一邊鐵道局這個位置,\n\n02:04.130 --> 02:32.848\n大家是沒有一個共識那我想請教就是說院長跟部長是不是可以來協助讓這個彰化的這個重大建設能夠儘速來啟動那我知道就是說如果這個中央這邊沒有儘速來協助的話我可能可以預測可能經過四年之後可能都還停留在綜合規劃所以我是不是可以請院長或部長來回應一下\n\n02:33.336 --> 02:34.618\n張化市的鐵路高架有一個非常重要就是有一個機務段需要遷移\n\n02:45.018 --> 03:12.527\n華潭那一段。就是這個鐵道局這邊是希望能夠牽到華潭或二水。那彰化縣政府是希望能夠牽到大渡。所以我們是希望就是當然這個縣府跟這個交通部這邊我們希望當然能夠有一個共識最好。那如果現在完全都沒有一個共識的話是不是我拜託院長這邊可以這邊介入來協助。\n\n03:13.700 --> 03:38.954\n交通部已經跟縣政府在協商請交通部報告到目前的進度呢?章化縣政府已經在今年的6月26有一個正式公文他們同意就是採用花壇跟二水結合的這個方案那原則上已經不堅持是把這個機場移到這個大渡區因為坦白說如果設在大渡那我們的主發站是在章化\n\n03:39.614 --> 04:00.849\n那他的車輛是有一點違背這個調度的原則,會從北邊要往南到彰化站,從大渡再調到彰化站,然後再從大渡站出發到這個樹林。所以這樣的調度方法是違背鐵路台鐵的這個一般的調度原則。所以他們台鐵還是期待是在二水跟花潭這邊來設相關的調度場。\n\n04:02.130 --> 04:22.871\n好,所以目前為止是縣政府這邊原則同意是在華潭跟二水。好,那後續呢?後續就是要把這個中規在這個原則之下中規來做一個審核。那中規如果核定就等於開始啟動設計跟發包的階段。是,那預計還要多久?\n\n04:23.772 --> 04:27.553\n所以預計是在今年年底綜合規劃的部分可以完成?包括經過國化會的審議,還有經過報院的核可。\n\n04:48.738 --> 05:04.425\n這是我們期待啊,那個部長我真的是期待你上任之後,因為你也是彰化人啊,所以真的這個對彰化是有一個很大的一個算是重大的建設,而且對彰化的發展真的是影響非常的大。所以你是彰化人,你也是會大人耶。\n\n05:05.365 --> 05:06.306\n另外一個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化呢?\n\n05:32.216 --> 06:00.052\n目前是有條件的通過可行性評估嗎?對,那後續的部分我是不是可以請這個縣府當然縣府也有一些他們就是說他們已經送這個張東的這個擴大都市計畫嗎?那我想請教就是說未來這個可能也需要縣府跟這個交通部這邊一起來合作才有辦法競速來完成。\n\n06:01.247 --> 06:27.534\n跟委員報告就是當時會先核定可行因為主要這個一直糾結在那裡就是因為張東都市計畫的內容縣府這邊一直都沒有辦法定案那也沒有辦法經過內政部的核准那時候就會到底是都市計畫要先定案還是捷運可行性要先核定那後來院裡面在政府院長的協調下先讓可行性先通過那但是有一個但書就是在中規之前\n\n06:28.114 --> 06:28.154\n﹝發言委員﹞\n\n06:56.759 --> 07:11.388\n我是不是也可以請這個這個也是重大健身對整個彰化市的這個發展非常的重要所以我是不是也可以拜託院長這邊可以指派就是說政委也好或者是交通部這邊可以\n\n07:12.909 --> 07:38.949\n江華縣政府能夠儘速把這個需要具備的這些這個比如說我們的都市計畫也好或者是可能一些資料能夠完備儘速讓這個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化能夠儘速來完成那不然其實這一段沒有這個如果沒辦法資料沒有辦法完成或者是都市計畫沒辦法完成的話其實也會影響到整個\n\n07:39.969 --> 07:54.178\n臺中捷運綠線延伸北延到大坑的這個整個期程可能也都會有延誤所以我們是不是可以拜託我們的這個院長針對這個延伸到彰化那是不是也要協助我們彰化縣政府這邊來競速來完成\n\n07:57.129 --> 08:22.672\n現在謝謝委員因為彰化縣政府要補送資料到內政部的都市審議委員會那都市審議委員會跟內政部會一起協助彰化縣政府來加速完成這樣的工作那我也請委員能夠幫忙跟彰化縣政府說盡量收集地方的意見之後到底要採取區段徵收或者什麼樣的選擇方式趕快來確定之後將他送到都委會來那內政部會加速來安排讓他找到定案\n\n08:23.332 --> 08:45.969\n我剛從下午聽了好幾位委員在講說整個不論是鐵路要地下化或者是高架其實我都覺得說我們彰化的這個鐵路高架已經講了將近20年到現在我從我第一屆當立委的時候幾乎只要是院長來備詢的我都會提到我們彰化的鐵路高架跟捷運綠線\n\n08:47.270 --> 09:03.751\n所以到現在我都覺得都還在這個綜合規劃當中真的蠻可惜的啦如果可以進速的話其實可以看到整個彰化的一個這個發展應該是會非常迅速因為彰化是六都以外人口最多的地方\n\n09:04.232 --> 09:04.252\n﹝廣告﹞\n\n09:27.892 --> 09:46.986\n我會要求內政部請彰化縣政府能夠加速辦理。當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然\n\n09:57.022 --> 10:03.607\n我也是每一次這個新的院長在這邊備選的時候我一定要讓院長知道這個全台灣唯一一個扇形車庫也是亞洲唯二的一個扇形車庫那\n\n10:15.776 --> 10:16.296\n國定古蹟塞行車庫\n\n10:33.469 --> 10:33.629\n﹚黃秀芳\n\n10:48.800 --> 10:49.761\n﹚三、7月5日下午1時50分為處理臨時提案時間。﹚黃秀芳\n\n11:12.445 --> 11:18.784\n那我是不是可以請求我們院長可以比照我們北部有一個鐵道博物館\n\n11:21.503 --> 11:43.029\n這個院長你應該要想到就是說亞洲唯二的這個扇形車庫是多麼的珍貴又是國定古蹟那旁邊如果還有一個這個鐵路宿舍群如果可以整個全部整修起來其實就像我們這個嘉義的這個生活快意村一樣那可以吸引很多的\n\n11:43.609 --> 11:48.093\n國定古蹟、扇形車庫旁邊又有一個鐵路宿舍群。未來這個地方是不是有可能成為我們的鐵道博物館的分館?\n\n12:05.868 --> 12:28.588\n台北或是其他包括苗栗都有一些鐵路的博物館或園區的規劃我剛剛部長講或是我們去看一下這個扇形的車庫文資的保護已經是國定的古蹟了那政府當然有責任要去做更好的規劃除了保存之外能夠有適度的活用讓他跟民眾接近那我們在現場看看能不能做什麼的協助\n\n12:29.769 --> 12:47.001\n我是不是跟院長這邊約個時間,我們實際到地方去看一下,除了看扇形車庫之外,我們也要去看旁邊的這個舊的鐵路宿舍群。如果整個旁邊可以整個把它活絡起來,其實一方面也可以帶動我們彰化的地方的觀光。\n\n12:47.742 --> 13:07.482\n那又結合我們未來的鐵路高架化其實整個彰化的進步就是在這邊所以在這邊要再次的拜託院長真的針對我們彰化的重大建設這兩項真的要拜託院長真的關注一下那能夠盡速讓這兩項的重大工程能夠盡速動工\n\n13:08.763 --> 13:28.880\n是,我想跟委員報告,善行車庫確實是彰化的一個寶貝,那也是國定古蹟是很多鐵道迷一定會去朝聖的地方,那也因為這樣所以鐵路高架遇到這個善行車庫就花了很多的困難要去克服,那也是因為這樣所以彰化的鐵路高架會比較複雜,比較\n\n13:30.921 --> 13:56.327\n因為為了讓善行車庫可以繼續運作還要多拉一條軌道那這個部分也都放在我們這次的整個規劃高價的規劃案那這個很早之前就有定下來就是說善行車庫他是要保留是要保留而且是活化的不是變成一個就是一個沒有在活用的一個地方他是還是繼續可以做他\n\n13:56.807 --> 13:56.967\n﹚黃秀芳\n\n14:25.956 --> 14:52.396\n那在前陣子在彰化就有這個娃娃車車禍那小朋友就跑出車外那一個是跑出車外一個是這個顱骨嚴重的這個骨折所以我們希望就是說針對這個娃娃車的這個部分就是希望交通部這邊針對這一部分是不是你們要去看一下也要去這個找專家學者來研議\n\n14:53.157 --> 15:14.268\n好,針對我們現在說這個娃娃車,這個幼兒的專用車它是沒有安全帶的嘛,那有安全帶跟沒有安全帶它的差別,我們現在坐車一定要用安全帶,可是我們的這個幼兒專用車反而是沒有,那這樣子的話會不會造成,如果萬一碰撞的時候,這個我們的幼童它是拋出車外,\n\n15:15.388 --> 15:20.671\n拜託交通部針對這部分也要去找專家學生來研議要怎麼樣去做幼兒專用車經濟要如何去改善\n\n15:47.732 --> 15:47.752\n好,謝謝。\n\n","segments":[{"start":7.332,"end":10.255,"text":"謝謝主席。我們請院長。請院長備詢。方委員好。"},{"start":20.016,"end":46.838,"text":"院長我想說在今年3月份的時候我質詢陳建仁院長的時候我也特別提到彰化市的兩個重大的建設一個是彰化市的鐵路高架另外一個是台中捷運綠線延伸到彰化這兩個重大的交通建設那我想請教就是說其實這兩個重大的建設在地方甚至在中央也"},{"start":47.81,"end":71.465,"text":"一直提到現在我從我當議員到現在也將近20年的時間那這20年的時間我看到從地方的規劃中央的規劃一直到現在彰化市的鐵路高架現在是目前是進入到綜合規劃在111年的時候行政院這邊通過這個可行性研究那到這個111年5月27號啟動綜合規劃的作業那到現在"},{"start":77.569,"end":106.004,"text":"今年3月份的時候我這個質詢我們陳建仁院長的時候那時候有特別提到感覺好像從111年到現在完全都沒有什麼進度那我當時就有特別提到就是說是不是可以每三個月讓本席知道目前這兩個重大建設的進度到底如何那我收到在5月份的時候交通部這邊也有給我一個這個結論就是說目前在今年"},{"start":106.824,"end":123.47,"text":"三月份有召開協商會議,目前彰化鐵路高架基地位置,彰化縣政府跟交通部這一邊鐵道局這個位置,"},{"start":124.13,"end":152.848,"text":"大家是沒有一個共識那我想請教就是說院長跟部長是不是可以來協助讓這個彰化的這個重大建設能夠儘速來啟動那我知道就是說如果這個中央這邊沒有儘速來協助的話我可能可以預測可能經過四年之後可能都還停留在綜合規劃所以我是不是可以請院長或部長來回應一下"},{"start":153.336,"end":154.618,"text":"張化市的鐵路高架有一個非常重要就是有一個機務段需要遷移"},{"start":165.018,"end":192.527,"text":"華潭那一段。就是這個鐵道局這邊是希望能夠牽到華潭或二水。那彰化縣政府是希望能夠牽到大渡。所以我們是希望就是當然這個縣府跟這個交通部這邊我們希望當然能夠有一個共識最好。那如果現在完全都沒有一個共識的話是不是我拜託院長這邊可以這邊介入來協助。"},{"start":193.7,"end":218.954,"text":"交通部已經跟縣政府在協商請交通部報告到目前的進度呢?章化縣政府已經在今年的6月26有一個正式公文他們同意就是採用花壇跟二水結合的這個方案那原則上已經不堅持是把這個機場移到這個大渡區因為坦白說如果設在大渡那我們的主發站是在章化"},{"start":219.614,"end":240.849,"text":"那他的車輛是有一點違背這個調度的原則,會從北邊要往南到彰化站,從大渡再調到彰化站,然後再從大渡站出發到這個樹林。所以這樣的調度方法是違背鐵路台鐵的這個一般的調度原則。所以他們台鐵還是期待是在二水跟花潭這邊來設相關的調度場。"},{"start":242.13,"end":262.871,"text":"好,所以目前為止是縣政府這邊原則同意是在華潭跟二水。好,那後續呢?後續就是要把這個中規在這個原則之下中規來做一個審核。那中規如果核定就等於開始啟動設計跟發包的階段。是,那預計還要多久?"},{"start":263.772,"end":267.553,"text":"所以預計是在今年年底綜合規劃的部分可以完成?包括經過國化會的審議,還有經過報院的核可。"},{"start":288.738,"end":304.425,"text":"這是我們期待啊,那個部長我真的是期待你上任之後,因為你也是彰化人啊,所以真的這個對彰化是有一個很大的一個算是重大的建設,而且對彰化的發展真的是影響非常的大。所以你是彰化人,你也是會大人耶。"},{"start":305.365,"end":306.306,"text":"另外一個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化呢?"},{"start":332.216,"end":360.052,"text":"目前是有條件的通過可行性評估嗎?對,那後續的部分我是不是可以請這個縣府當然縣府也有一些他們就是說他們已經送這個張東的這個擴大都市計畫嗎?那我想請教就是說未來這個可能也需要縣府跟這個交通部這邊一起來合作才有辦法競速來完成。"},{"start":361.247,"end":387.534,"text":"跟委員報告就是當時會先核定可行因為主要這個一直糾結在那裡就是因為張東都市計畫的內容縣府這邊一直都沒有辦法定案那也沒有辦法經過內政部的核准那時候就會到底是都市計畫要先定案還是捷運可行性要先核定那後來院裡面在政府院長的協調下先讓可行性先通過那但是有一個但書就是在中規之前"},{"start":388.114,"end":388.154,"text":"﹝發言委員﹞"},{"start":416.759,"end":431.388,"text":"我是不是也可以請這個這個也是重大健身對整個彰化市的這個發展非常的重要所以我是不是也可以拜託院長這邊可以指派就是說政委也好或者是交通部這邊可以"},{"start":432.909,"end":458.949,"text":"江華縣政府能夠儘速把這個需要具備的這些這個比如說我們的都市計畫也好或者是可能一些資料能夠完備儘速讓這個臺中捷運綠線延伸到彰化能夠儘速來完成那不然其實這一段沒有這個如果沒辦法資料沒有辦法完成或者是都市計畫沒辦法完成的話其實也會影響到整個"},{"start":459.969,"end":474.178,"text":"臺中捷運綠線延伸北延到大坑的這個整個期程可能也都會有延誤所以我們是不是可以拜託我們的這個院長針對這個延伸到彰化那是不是也要協助我們彰化縣政府這邊來競速來完成"},{"start":477.129,"end":502.672,"text":"現在謝謝委員因為彰化縣政府要補送資料到內政部的都市審議委員會那都市審議委員會跟內政部會一起協助彰化縣政府來加速完成這樣的工作那我也請委員能夠幫忙跟彰化縣政府說盡量收集地方的意見之後到底要採取區段徵收或者什麼樣的選擇方式趕快來確定之後將他送到都委會來那內政部會加速來安排讓他找到定案"},{"start":503.332,"end":525.969,"text":"我剛從下午聽了好幾位委員在講說整個不論是鐵路要地下化或者是高架其實我都覺得說我們彰化的這個鐵路高架已經講了將近20年到現在我從我第一屆當立委的時候幾乎只要是院長來備詢的我都會提到我們彰化的鐵路高架跟捷運綠線"},{"start":527.27,"end":543.751,"text":"所以到現在我都覺得都還在這個綜合規劃當中真的蠻可惜的啦如果可以進速的話其實可以看到整個彰化的一個這個發展應該是會非常迅速因為彰化是六都以外人口最多的地方"},{"start":544.232,"end":544.252,"text":"﹝廣告﹞"},{"start":567.892,"end":586.986,"text":"我會要求內政部請彰化縣政府能夠加速辦理。當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然當然"},{"start":597.022,"end":603.607,"text":"我也是每一次這個新的院長在這邊備選的時候我一定要讓院長知道這個全台灣唯一一個扇形車庫也是亞洲唯二的一個扇形車庫那"},{"start":615.776,"end":616.296,"text":"國定古蹟 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