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00:01:15,510\n有一些政績如果今天涉及到記者已經離台那副主委找不到爆料者國人被這一些自相矛盾、邏輯的說法弄得迷迷糊糊也造成了這個執政黨現在在做的是故意要讓大家搞不清楚狀況\n\n4\n00:01:17,090 --> 00:01:39,409\n用政治操作讓國人相互猜疑製造社會的分裂這就是本席現在執行的中共不只對我們有認知作戰我看執政黨對我們內部認知作戰到底是什麼一回事現在都自相矛盾國人看得迷迷糊糊\n\n5\n00:01:41,620 --> 00:01:59,390\n報告委員這個陸委會跟文化部所能做的是行政調查所謂行政調查就是說我們現在是追溯性的然後去詢問相關當事人那這些相關當事人給我們的回答到目前為止我們所得到的就是\n\n6\n00:02:02,406 --> 00:02:17,654\n東森新聞他是否認的新華社方面呢他也否認那自由時報呢他說這個保護消息來源所以不方便透露那這個部分呢從行政調查的權責範圍來講我們只能夠做到這裡\n\n7\n00:02:20,876 --> 00:02:34,720\n那接下來其他部分大概就要由司法跟國安去做所以我當然不能夠說行政調查沒有查到的東西就不存在所以不排除會有可能有一些證據但是絕對不會製造證據\n\n8\n00:02:40,542 --> 00:03:08,266\n從行政調查的角度來說是沒有證據可能有一些可能有一些證據行政調查是找不到證據這就是因為你把國人弄得糊糊塗塗的造成了造成了很多一些狀況那目前丁少的問題那你們現在已經有正在積極的在查了嗎什麼時候什麼時候要做一個報告的時候有沒有查到\n\n9\n00:03:10,151 --> 00:03:37,524\n行政調查的部分我們已經基本上完成了對好那完成了你們要做後續的一個報告嗎就跟國人交代一下就是說到底你們有沒有屬實找到這樣的一個作為我們會就行政調查的部分讓大家知道但是基本上就是我剛剛所報告的大概的內容就是這樣對\n\n10\n00:03:38,884 --> 00:03:52,741\n認知作戰不要常常對著我們自己人我們認知作戰是我們是要共同對外以上這是我的本席所跟你報告的那另外就是有關於國安\n\n11\n00:03:54,838 --> 00:04:13,604\n關於大家國人關心的就是大靜滿88號業界的這個捕魚在7月2號晚上遭到大陸這個海警的扣留目前台灣有一個一名是台籍的這個台灣的船長\n\n12\n00:04:14,364 --> 00:04:34,806\n另外一名是台灣的船員有三名是外界的船員那請問一下國人關心的目前因為常常現在在海上常常發生了一個被扣留要不然是被來衝撞甚至日本查扣了我們的這個船員\n\n13\n00:04:35,647 --> 00:05:01,862\n等等但是你這個大季滿的88號的這個遺傳目前你們有沒有跟對岸有正面性的來做一個交換意見那甚至如何把這些保障這些遺傳現在很多的家庭就已經是擔心我們國家執政黨有沒有這個能力處理\n\n14\n00:05:03,403 --> 00:05:26,489\n對,就委員提到這個個案來講那政府的立場應該行政院也有對外說明那一個部分是海上的這些海事活動我們漁民的海事活動只要合法的話政府會提供權力的一個協助跟保護那假如進入到比較敏感的水域的話可能我們的漁民也要注意一下當地國家的法令的規範現在可能會對,個案的部分局長我現在跟你報告\n\n15\n00:05:27,361 --> 00:05:52,040\n現在可能會常常會有可能會發生但是現在造成了很多傳言的家庭除了他的收入已經造成了困難第二個現在他可能面臨面臨他的家人會失去他的家人那我們政府如何因應如果常常會發生這樣的事情要怎麼辦\n\n16\n00:05:52,981 --> 00:05:59,647\n那我們政府有沒有作為那讓我們的國人百姓有安定之心丸啊\n\n17\n00:06:02,210 --> 00:06:26,977\n這部分剛剛有跟委員說明了也就是說漁民的作業水域還是要注意一下漁市作業的安全特別是到敏感的水域那假如有進入到其他國家行政管轄的水域那更要注意到當地的法令規定那以這個案子來講因為涉及到對岸的福祉休餘期所以這部分可能我們以後要特別再提醒漁民要注意那至於個案的營救的部分我所知道的是陸委會跟海巡署都有跟相關的對口在積極的洽詢\n\n18\n00:06:29,077 --> 00:06:39,245\n過去有一個不成文的規定在兩岸過去裡面還會有一個良性的互動的時候不會那麼強硬的扣留傳言\n\n19\n00:06:40,818 --> 00:07:08,118\n原則上是一個警告沒有錯但是會隨時都會釋放出來把傳言能夠讓他安心的回台然後不要造成家庭的擔憂可是現在會常常會發生可是你們又無能的去處理如何跟兩岸之間做一個雙向的溝通安心的把傳言帶回來現在目前只是這件事情的發生\n\n20\n00:07:08,698 --> 00:07:19,366\n那下一次呢如果再發生的話那我們國人又怎麼樣的對我們執政黨放心的交付給執政黨相信他們的作為呢\n\n21\n00:07:21,405 --> 00:07:50,476\n對,兩岸在發生這樣的一個漁事的問題以後雙方還是會有一些管道來進行一些現況的一個瞭解那這部分應該陸委會跟海巡署都已經有在接洽過程當中我希望你們處理得盡快給國內一個交代要不然現在人是惶惶那另外就是公廟攘紅又囤這個彈藥的問題我想請國安局在民進黨中國事務部今年的6月起刑\n\n22\n00:07:51,515 --> 00:08:10,031\n這個中國對台界限及統戰滲透的座談會．也指出北京藉由馬祖宮廟、里長等地方統戰．更確實達到影響民眾投票行為的界限效果那另外就是我們在簽訂但要\n\n23\n00:08:11,332 --> 00:08:26,019\n一屯點的自研協定．局長認為會不會有國安的餘力．因為國防部的後備指揮部．在日前發函給苗栗多間的宮廟．那請問會不會有國安的餘力．\n\n24\n00:08:27,083 --> 00:08:55,153\n我想兩岸的宗教公廟的交流只要是合法的那我們都予以尊重那不過也要必須要提醒的是在交流過程當中中共還是會有一些政治上統戰的操作那這是我們要提醒我們國人的那另一部分是法律的部分那假如在交流過程當中中共有刻意要運用我們的公廟的相關的網絡來進行借選或進行發展組織的話那這會違反我們的法律要件那這部分我也提醒在交流過程當中我們公廟要注意的\n\n25\n00:08:55,393 --> 00:09:06,811\n那至於適不適合要在宮廟來囤放一些彈藥那這部分可能由國防部業管單位來對外說明比較恰當不過你們這個要弄清楚現在宮廟的人也是人心惶惶\n\n26\n00:09:07,987 --> 00:09:31,242\n因為現在大家都說臺灣的公廟都被中共滲透了那這些廟主住此不會不只會成為中共的滲透的這個突破點那恐怕也會在暫時成為第五縱隊啊結果我們的政府一邊懷疑公廟的一個忠誠度另外一邊又要公廟配合暫時的\n\n27\n00:09:32,502 --> 00:09:55,034\n純犯了帶藥,這難道不會是國安的風險?所以這個,局長,你們要化解這樣的一個餘力啊現在很多宮廟,你們簽訂了,又要懷疑它是不是又是抹紅然後滲透什麼樣怎麼樣的一個狀況也造成他們對這個事情上,對我們國安不滿\n\n28\n00:10:05,998 --> 00:10:18,524\n對,正常合法的宗教交流我們都尊重這是我們一開始講的基本原則這也是我們民主國家的價值但是宗教自由也不應該變成是中共對台統戰滲透的護身符所以我們會拿捏好這個分寸謝謝委員提醒\n\n29\n00:10:19,206 --> 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話那這會違反我們的法律要件那這部分我也提醒在交流過程當中我們公廟要注意的\n那至於適不適合要在宮廟來囤放一些彈藥那這部分可能由國防部業管單位來對外說明比較恰當不過你們這個要弄清楚現在宮廟的人也是人心惶惶\n因為現在大家都說臺灣的公廟都被中共滲透了那這些廟主住此不會不只會成為中共的滲透的這個突破點那恐怕也會在暫時成為第五縱隊啊結果我們的政府一邊懷疑公廟的一個忠誠度另外一邊又要公廟配合暫時的\n純犯了帶藥,這難道不會是國安的風險?所以這個,局長,你們要化解這樣的一個餘力啊現在很多宮廟,你們簽訂了,又要懷疑它是不是又是抹紅然後滲透什麼樣怎麼樣的一個狀況也造成他們對這個事情上,對我們國安不滿\n對,正常合法的宗教交流我們都尊重這是我們一開始講的基本原則這也是我們民主國家的價值但是宗教自由也不應該變成是中共對台統戰滲透的護身符所以我們會拿捏好這個分寸謝謝委員提醒\n馬文君委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.771 --> 00:22.025\n有請國安局局長還有陸委會請國安局蔡局長還有陸委會副主委今天我們在延續習曉新剛剛所提的大陸駐台記者盯梢台灣的政論的節目我請問一下陸委會\n\n00:28.550 --> 00:51.702\n找不到爆料者目前有沒有查到證據不排除可能有一些證據那請問一下國安局長陸委會不排除可能有一些證據是什麼意思那到底是有些證據還是沒有證據但現在硬要找證據那梁主委說沒有查到證據一下子又說不排除\n\n00:53.203 --> 01:15.510\n有一些政績如果今天涉及到記者已經離台那副主委找不到爆料者國人被這一些自相矛盾、邏輯的說法弄得迷迷糊糊也造成了這個執政黨現在在做的是故意要讓大家搞不清楚狀況\n\n01:17.090 --> 01:39.409\n用政治操作讓國人相互猜疑製造社會的分裂這就是本席現在執行的中共不只對我們有認知作戰我看執政黨對我們內部認知作戰到底是什麼一回事現在都自相矛盾國人看得迷迷糊糊\n\n01:41.620 --> 01:59.390\n報告委員這個陸委會跟文化部所能做的是行政調查所謂行政調查就是說我們現在是追溯性的然後去詢問相關當事人那這些相關當事人給我們的回答到目前為止我們所得到的就是\n\n02:02.406 --> 02:17.654\n東森新聞他是否認的新華社方面呢他也否認那自由時報呢他說這個保護消息來源所以不方便透露那這個部分呢從行政調查的權責範圍來講我們只能夠做到這裡\n\n02:20.876 --> 02:34.720\n那接下來其他部分大概就要由司法跟國安去做所以我當然不能夠說行政調查沒有查到的東西就不存在所以不排除會有可能有一些證據但是絕對不會製造證據\n\n02:40.542 --> 03:08.266\n從行政調查的角度來說是沒有證據可能有一些可能有一些證據行政調查是找不到證據這就是因為你把國人弄得糊糊塗塗的造成了造成了很多一些狀況那目前丁少的問題那你們現在已經有正在積極的在查了嗎什麼時候什麼時候要做一個報告的時候有沒有查到\n\n03:10.151 --> 03:37.524\n行政調查的部分我們已經基本上完成了對好那完成了你們要做後續的一個報告嗎就跟國人交代一下就是說到底你們有沒有屬實找到這樣的一個作為我們會就行政調查的部分讓大家知道但是基本上就是我剛剛所報告的大概的內容就是這樣對\n\n03:38.884 --> 03:52.741\n認知作戰不要常常對著我們自己人我們認知作戰是我們是要共同對外以上這是我的本席所跟你報告的那另外就是有關於國安\n\n03:54.838 --> 04:13.604\n關於大家國人關心的就是大靜滿88號業界的這個捕魚在7月2號晚上遭到大陸這個海警的扣留目前台灣有一個一名是台籍的這個台灣的船長\n\n04:14.364 --> 04:34.806\n另外一名是台灣的船員有三名是外界的船員那請問一下國人關心的目前因為常常現在在海上常常發生了一個被扣留要不然是被來衝撞甚至日本查扣了我們的這個船員\n\n04:35.647 --> 05:01.862\n等等但是你這個大季滿的88號的這個遺傳目前你們有沒有跟對岸有正面性的來做一個交換意見那甚至如何把這些保障這些遺傳現在很多的家庭就已經是擔心我們國家執政黨有沒有這個能力處理\n\n05:03.403 --> 05:26.489\n對,就委員提到這個個案來講那政府的立場應該行政院也有對外說明那一個部分是海上的這些海事活動我們漁民的海事活動只要合法的話政府會提供權力的一個協助跟保護那假如進入到比較敏感的水域的話可能我們的漁民也要注意一下當地國家的法令的規範現在可能會對,個案的部分局長我現在跟你報告\n\n05:27.361 --> 05:52.040\n現在可能會常常會有可能會發生但是現在造成了很多傳言的家庭除了他的收入已經造成了困難第二個現在他可能面臨面臨他的家人會失去他的家人那我們政府如何因應如果常常會發生這樣的事情要怎麼辦\n\n05:52.981 --> 05:59.647\n那我們政府有沒有作為那讓我們的國人百姓有安定之心丸啊\n\n06:02.210 --> 06:26.977\n這部分剛剛有跟委員說明了也就是說漁民的作業水域還是要注意一下漁市作業的安全特別是到敏感的水域那假如有進入到其他國家行政管轄的水域那更要注意到當地的法令規定那以這個案子來講因為涉及到對岸的福祉休餘期所以這部分可能我們以後要特別再提醒漁民要注意那至於個案的營救的部分我所知道的是陸委會跟海巡署都有跟相關的對口在積極的洽詢\n\n06:29.077 --> 06:39.245\n過去有一個不成文的規定在兩岸過去裡面還會有一個良性的互動的時候不會那麼強硬的扣留傳言\n\n06:40.818 --> 07:08.118\n原則上是一個警告沒有錯但是會隨時都會釋放出來把傳言能夠讓他安心的回台然後不要造成家庭的擔憂可是現在會常常會發生可是你們又無能的去處理如何跟兩岸之間做一個雙向的溝通安心的把傳言帶回來現在目前只是這件事情的發生\n\n07:08.698 --> 07:19.366\n那下一次呢如果再發生的話那我們國人又怎麼樣的對我們執政黨放心的交付給執政黨相信他們的作為呢\n\n07:21.405 --> 07:50.476\n對,兩岸在發生這樣的一個漁事的問題以後雙方還是會有一些管道來進行一些現況的一個瞭解那這部分應該陸委會跟海巡署都已經有在接洽過程當中我希望你們處理得盡快給國內一個交代要不然現在人是惶惶那另外就是公廟攘紅又囤這個彈藥的問題我想請國安局在民進黨中國事務部今年的6月起刑\n\n07:51.515 --> 08:10.031\n這個中國對台界限及統戰滲透的座談會．也指出北京藉由馬祖宮廟、里長等地方統戰．更確實達到影響民眾投票行為的界限效果那另外就是我們在簽訂但要\n\n08:11.332 --> 08:26.019\n一屯點的自研協定．局長認為會不會有國安的餘力．因為國防部的後備指揮部．在日前發函給苗栗多間的宮廟．那請問會不會有國安的餘力．\n\n08:27.083 --> 08:55.153\n我想兩岸的宗教公廟的交流只要是合法的那我們都予以尊重那不過也要必須要提醒的是在交流過程當中中共還是會有一些政治上統戰的操作那這是我們要提醒我們國人的那另一部分是法律的部分那假如在交流過程當中中共有刻意要運用我們的公廟的相關的網絡來進行借選或進行發展組織的話那這會違反我們的法律要件那這部分我也提醒在交流過程當中我們公廟要注意的\n\n08:55.393 --> 09:06.811\n那至於適不適合要在宮廟來囤放一些彈藥那這部分可能由國防部業管單位來對外說明比較恰當不過你們這個要弄清楚現在宮廟的人也是人心惶惶\n\n09:07.987 --> 09:31.242\n因為現在大家都說臺灣的公廟都被中共滲透了那這些廟主住此不會不只會成為中共的滲透的這個突破點那恐怕也會在暫時成為第五縱隊啊結果我們的政府一邊懷疑公廟的一個忠誠度另外一邊又要公廟配合暫時的\n\n09:32.502 --> 09:55.034\n純犯了帶藥,這難道不會是國安的風險?所以這個,局長,你們要化解這樣的一個餘力啊現在很多宮廟,你們簽訂了,又要懷疑它是不是又是抹紅然後滲透什麼樣怎麼樣的一個狀況也造成他們對這個事情上,對我們國安不滿\n\n10:05.998 --> 10:18.524\n對,正常合法的宗教交流我們都尊重這是我們一開始講的基本原則這也是我們民主國家的價值但是宗教自由也不應該變成是中共對台統戰滲透的護身符所以我們會拿捏好這個分寸謝謝委員提醒\n\n10:19.206 --> 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