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00:01:30,007\n在臺灣各縣市,不管是槍擊案件,或者是重大的刑事案件,除了對當事人造成傷害以外,對於社會的安定,民心的穩定都有重大的影響。你身為全國最高行政首長,國家在犯的時候,北省的安全感最重要。請問院長,對於最近這些刑事案件,你有什麼樣的看法以及具體的做法?\n\n4\n00:01:30,984 --> 00:01:45,236\n第一個當然很痛心臺灣社會發生這樣一個重大的槍擊事件但是也讓我們更下地的決心向委員報告6月24號行政院我主持的第一次我主持的治安會報當中\n\n5\n00:01:46,974 --> 00:01:47,314\n院長我要提醒\n\n6\n00:02:13,328 --> 00:02:16,575\n我們現在在院會當你現在講說我們幾月幾號要開始進行所謂掃黑\n\n7\n00:02:20,146 --> 00:02:20,686\n我們除了會\n\n8\n00:02:49,642 --> 00:03:18,736\n像社會大眾來公布整個成果之外我覺得我們更需要有比較多的力氣在手上無論是樹攤、不論是掃揮、甚至打炸我們都希望院內、大院的這個打炸事法能夠儘速通過讓我們手上握有力氣再來我們對於警方的這些士氣我們要予以鼓勵包括他的設備要如何能夠趕得上這個潮流、這個時代的需要再來就是我覺得\n\n9\n00:03:19,176 --> 00:03:23,338\n我相信我們稍後會看到一些成果啦齁。我接下來請教當然這跟經濟部交通部都有關係啦齁。阿咱交通部長李孟岩部長齁在相關的部分可以來做補充齁。\n\n10\n00:03:45,467 --> 00:03:56,533\n你知道中國的電動巴士曾經大舉進入台灣市場,它化整為零,拆散開來。拆散開來之後呢,它做了什麼事情呢?\n\n11\n00:03:58,971 --> 00:04:25,127\n因為我們台灣補助我們下一張不是這一張我們在補助柴油車換電動車的時候巴士我講的是公共運輸你知道單量最高可以補助680萬台幣我們到2030年前整筆預算各部位加總起來是430億左右要把台灣的老舊污染的柴油車換成電動巴士阿武郎齁\n\n12\n00:04:26,487 --> 00:04:27,989\n發言委員：王定宇發言委員：王定宇\n\n13\n00:04:50,006 --> 00:05:00,079\n才能符合柴油換電動巴的補助。這十項。所以我是希望我們交通部長也好或者是院長指示的經濟部\n\n14\n00:05:01,846 --> 00:05:29,493\n除了這十項當然這是第一階段未來能不能輔導更多的單項在地化讓我們的業者可以進入因為全世界現在都在用傾銷稅抵制中國的電動車包含印度包含歐美所以臺灣的產業界是有機會的那產業界的第一桶金第一個機會就是本土市場既然我們花了430億要把臺灣老舊柴油巴士換成電動巴士的時候\n\n15\n00:05:31,974 --> 00:05:46,715\n過去那種類似來台灣組裝洗產地的方式當然不能再發生但現行只有規定10項madeinTaiwan就符合補助辦法應該還要再隨時進行檢討我不知道院長對這個有什麼看法\n\n16\n00:05:48,148 --> 00:05:51,089\n目前經濟部有專案小組會審核,經濟部審核通過的廠商有三家,三家都是電動巴士的廠商,由縣市政府來申請,可以自由選擇經濟部核准的名單。\n\n17\n00:06:14,901 --> 00:06:35,323\n他下面有很多單項的產業所以我想說目前的做法OK因為有些像電磁型我們不會做目前的做法是列出10項有這10項這台車就送去本土了然後就可以來領這個最高我該講600多萬的補助款從370到600多萬不等那我是說我們行政院應該更進一步\n\n18\n00:06:36,004 --> 00:06:36,184\n﹚王定宇\n\n19\n00:06:55,575 --> 00:07:23,773\n像前幾年如果沒有國建國造的話我們台灣的造船業大概現在不知道剩下誰了所以我現在講的另外一個情形是美國在5月份宣布對中國的電動車這講的就不是巴士喔所有的電動車輛科徵100%的反請交稅歐盟7月加徵最高37.6%的反補貼臨時關稅其實也是反請交稅那台灣現在是只有禁止整車進口\n\n20\n00:07:25,395 --> 00:07:31,946\n華整維林進來組裝掛台灣品牌的所在多有明明是中國車但在台灣掛台灣品牌\n\n21\n00:07:33,394 --> 00:07:53,172\n這些有些業者就會鑽這個漏洞那我要這邊提醒行政院就是中國為什麼被苛徵反請交稅三個原因除了他的安全以及資安問題以外他是用國家的資本就用中國政府的錢巨額去補貼他們的電動車產業然後形成了不對稱的競爭不對等的競爭所以被苛徵反請交稅\n\n22\n00:07:58,877 --> 00:08:13,744\n好,現在中國車遭毆滅沒辦法,印度也要趕走,他當然還要找他的市場出路。所以台灣如果不注意這個現象的話,台灣市場可能會變成他,要銷他倉庫,他現在倉庫裡面一堆啊,會變銷扣準的地方。\n\n23\n00:08:17,325 --> 00:08:44,717\n對我們的產業發展沒有幫助對台灣的經濟結構也會影響我不知道院長對於中國電動車在歐美這些國家被科徵反傾銷稅台灣會不會考慮採取調查我們反傾銷稅之前先要經濟部立案調查調查之後成立之後才會訂稅率就中國電動車在台灣現在看得出來有跡象開始在進來化整為零我們行政院跟交通部的態度是什麼\n\n24\n00:08:45,586 --> 00:08:56,101\n謝謝委員當然我們有注意到這一點世界上的潮流是在這樣的用關稅來保護自己國人的安全跟整個產業的生存發展那台灣在這種\n\n25\n00:08:58,715 --> 00:09:20,198\n不公平的競爭底下我覺得我們更應該有先前的思考同時不只電動車我覺得這一般的傳統燃油車現在化整為零進口的方式雖然我們對自治的比例目前沒有非常明顯的規定但是如果自治的比例偏低而且用這種化整為零的方式\n\n26\n00:09:21,308 --> 00:09:23,550\n謝謝院長。就是說他化整為零進來,變成台灣,他其實是assembled在台灣組裝。是。\n\n27\n00:09:38,706 --> 00:09:55,350\n他除了洗產地會不會影響臺灣出口到其他國家的信譽以外對於臺灣我再強調一次汽車產業是系統產業他裡面有很多不同的系統這樣子一進來之後我們原來的業者連發展的機會都沒有所以行政院經濟部相關的單位應該要開始啟動調查\n\n28\n00:09:58,251 --> 00:10:02,214\n謝謝委員,我們已經在了解,那今天委員這樣的跟我們提出這樣的建議之後,我們會馬上開始執行這樣的調查跟了解。好謝謝,我們請李貿易院部長請回,我請速發部部長上來。\n\n29\n00:10:27,352 --> 00:10:50,820\n你邊走我邊提題目啦,速發部成立以後呢,我們通過了資通安全管理法修正草案,好事,因為不管是資安或者數位產業本來就是未來發展也是台灣的強項,IT有硬體有軟體,但我先請教我們部長,你現在就你了解我們的資安相關人員流動率高還是低?\n\n30\n00:10:52,543 --> 00:11:12,751\n如果以政府部門來講,因為外面也蠻多需要人才,所以是有些流動。流動率其實不低喔。那原因除了有外部誘因以外,坦白講政府內部的資安人才不會單純因為外面薪資高就出去了。政府還是一個提供安穩就業,他可以發展的空間,尤其速發部這麼新的部會,\n\n31\n00:11:13,672 --> 00:11:27,125\n從各部會把這些資安人才找來,他怎麼可能呆一呆就跑掉呢?我不知道部長就任之後有沒有去盤點這個問題。我們速發部資安署相關單位成立之後,把各單位的資安人才跑到你這邊來了。\n\n32\n00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:52,426\n產生第一個問題,那原來各單位的資安人才補進來了沒?補得好不好?夠不夠專業?這個我覺得院長的高度,因為資安就是國安,資安動輒損失千百億啊。我們書發部一成立,各單位都找來了嘛。那找來之後呢,原來單位空缺的資安人員補的到底是什麼樣的人?這是第一個問題。\n\n33\n00:11:53,490 --> 00:12:14,639\n第二個,這個蘇發部的治安人員相關的人才進來之後,業務量跟人員的比例相不相當,跟原來期望一不一樣,正在磨合,因為這些新的部會,我數位發展、治安,正在磨合當中,又新增了很多業務,包含剛才院長揭示的打炸。\n\n34\n00:12:15,677 --> 00:12:18,759\n我想一部分對沒有錯啦但是我們也有一些這個新的比如說我們有說新的考試類別\n\n35\n00:12:46,578 --> 00:13:03,950\n知安的專業能力除了要新還要累積經驗知安人才經驗其實很重要如果他不斷的走我又招募新的經驗不能傳承在單位我們人才變成是幫人家做新兵訓練所以我會建議院長跟部長這裡齁盤點一下速發部現在的業務跟人員\n\n36\n00:13:09,133 --> 00:13:21,502\n是不是該適度的在不影響總額或者相關的方式下去注意勞役分配的問題。否則一個新的部會還沒有新的發展人員的穩定其實很重要。沒有你新的業務、新的人\n\n37\n00:13:23,442 --> 00:13:42,222\n阿三不夠時又一直換人換人的話,部長不好幹喔,業務也沒辦法推動。所以本期今天用這個題目提醒院長跟部長。接下來我要請教,因為今天時間比較長。我要謝謝卓院長,卓文泰院長就任沒有滿月就來到臺南的歸仁沙崙。那天我在那邊聽得是很感動。\n\n38\n00:13:43,543 --> 00:14:06,412\n當時宣布是在沙崙這裡因為沙崙原來就是綠能、AI、IoT、醫療、生技大概都在那個區塊我們那裡不管是成大醫院或者是像台積電的宿舍訓練人才等等都在台南高鐵站的後站這個地方蓬勃發展那你那時候宣布要設置AI園區就設在這裡\n\n39\n00:14:07,608 --> 00:14:34,688\n那我這一段時間我詢問了各單位到底這個AI園區是啥是有一個園區是有一個項目還是有硬體有產區有產業園區等等我不知道到目前為止院長對歸人這個AI產業園區你的想定是什麼另外呢NVIDIA已經宣布到高雄那台南有沒有機會爭取到比方說像AMD或者國內大廠的投資那是不是請這個院長再要回答一下\n\n40\n00:14:35,688 --> 00:14:55,805\n謝謝委員,因為砂輪是一個非常,我想現在硬體設備非常新穎而且充足的一個地方。那未來他應該是向外界去招更多的國際廠商跟國內的廠商能夠進駐。那AI當然是其中重要的一環。因為AI兩個人蘇之鋒跟黃榮旭都我們台南人阿,你放台南是明智的啦。\n\n41\n00:14:56,425 --> 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Taiwan就符合補助辦法應該還要再隨時進行檢討我不知道院長對這個有什麼看法\n348148\t351089\t目前經濟部有專案小組會審核,經濟部審核通過的廠商有三家,三家都是電動巴士的廠商,由縣市政府來申請,可以自由選擇經濟部核准的名單。\n374901\t395323\t他下面有很多單項的產業所以我想說目前的做法OK因為有些像電磁型我們不會做目前的做法是列出10項有這10項這台車就送去本土了然後就可以來領這個最高我該講600多萬的補助款從370到600多萬不等那我是說我們行政院應該更進一步\n396004\t396184\t﹚王定宇\n415575\t443773\t像前幾年如果沒有國建國造的話我們台灣的造船業大概現在不知道剩下誰了所以我現在講的另外一個情形是美國在5月份宣布對中國的電動車這講的就不是巴士喔所有的電動車輛科徵100%的反請交稅歐盟7月加徵最高37.6%的反補貼臨時關稅其實也是反請交稅那台灣現在是只有禁止整車進口\n445395\t451946\t華整維林進來組裝掛台灣品牌的所在多有明明是中國車但在台灣掛台灣品牌\n453394\t473172\t這些有些業者就會鑽這個漏洞那我要這邊提醒行政院就是中國為什麼被苛徵反請交稅三個原因除了他的安全以及資安問題以外他是用國家的資本就用中國政府的錢巨額去補貼他們的電動車產業然後形成了不對稱的競爭不對等的競爭所以被苛徵反請交稅\n478877\t493744\t好,現在中國車遭毆滅沒辦法,印度也要趕走,他當然還要找他的市場出路。所以台灣如果不注意這個現象的話,台灣市場可能會變成他,要銷他倉庫,他現在倉庫裡面一堆啊,會變銷扣準的地方。\n497325\t524717\t對我們的產業發展沒有幫助對台灣的經濟結構也會影響我不知道院長對於中國電動車在歐美這些國家被科徵反傾銷稅台灣會不會考慮採取調查我們反傾銷稅之前先要經濟部立案調查調查之後成立之後才會訂稅率就中國電動車在台灣現在看得出來有跡象開始在進來化整為零我們行政院跟交通部的態度是什麼\n525586\t536101\t謝謝委員當然我們有注意到這一點世界上的潮流是在這樣的用關稅來保護自己國人的安全跟整個產業的生存發展那台灣在這種\n538715\t560198\t不公平的競爭底下我覺得我們更應該有先前的思考同時不只電動車我覺得這一般的傳統燃油車現在化整為零進口的方式雖然我們對自治的比例目前沒有非常明顯的規定但是如果自治的比例偏低而且用這種化整為零的方式\n561308\t563550\t謝謝院長。就是說他化整為零進來,變成台灣,他其實是assembled在台灣組裝。是。\n578706\t595350\t他除了洗產地會不會影響臺灣出口到其他國家的信譽以外對於臺灣我再強調一次汽車產業是系統產業他裡面有很多不同的系統這樣子一進來之後我們原來的業者連發展的機會都沒有所以行政院經濟部相關的單位應該要開始啟動調查\n598251\t602214\t謝謝委員,我們已經在了解,那今天委員這樣的跟我們提出這樣的建議之後,我們會馬上開始執行這樣的調查跟了解。好謝謝,我們請李貿易院部長請回,我請速發部部長上來。\n627352\t650820\t你邊走我邊提題目啦,速發部成立以後呢,我們通過了資通安全管理法修正草案,好事,因為不管是資安或者數位產業本來就是未來發展也是台灣的強項,IT有硬體有軟體,但我先請教我們部長,你現在就你了解我們的資安相關人員流動率高還是低?\n652543\t672751\t如果以政府部門來講,因為外面也蠻多需要人才,所以是有些流動。流動率其實不低喔。那原因除了有外部誘因以外,坦白講政府內部的資安人才不會單純因為外面薪資高就出去了。政府還是一個提供安穩就業,他可以發展的空間,尤其速發部這麼新的部會,\n673672\t687125\t從各部會把這些資安人才找來,他怎麼可能呆一呆就跑掉呢?我不知道部長就任之後有沒有去盤點這個問題。我們速發部資安署相關單位成立之後,把各單位的資安人才跑到你這邊來了。\n688600\t712426\t產生第一個問題,那原來各單位的資安人才補進來了沒?補得好不好?夠不夠專業?這個我覺得院長的高度,因為資安就是國安,資安動輒損失千百億啊。我們書發部一成立,各單位都找來了嘛。那找來之後呢,原來單位空缺的資安人員補的到底是什麼樣的人?這是第一個問題。\n713490\t734639\t第二個,這個蘇發部的治安人員相關的人才進來之後,業務量跟人員的比例相不相當,跟原來期望一不一樣,正在磨合,因為這些新的部會,我數位發展、治安,正在磨合當中,又新增了很多業務,包含剛才院長揭示的打炸。\n735677\t738759\t我想一部分對沒有錯啦但是我們也有一些這個新的比如說我們有說新的考試類別\n766578\t783950\t知安的專業能力除了要新還要累積經驗知安人才經驗其實很重要如果他不斷的走我又招募新的經驗不能傳承在單位我們人才變成是幫人家做新兵訓練所以我會建議院長跟部長這裡齁盤點一下速發部現在的業務跟人員\n789133\t801502\t是不是該適度的在不影響總額或者相關的方式下去注意勞役分配的問題。否則一個新的部會還沒有新的發展人員的穩定其實很重要。沒有你新的業務、新的人\n803442\t822222\t阿三不夠時又一直換人換人的話,部長不好幹喔,業務也沒辦法推動。所以本期今天用這個題目提醒院長跟部長。接下來我要請教,因為今天時間比較長。我要謝謝卓院長,卓文泰院長就任沒有滿月就來到臺南的歸仁沙崙。那天我在那邊聽得是很感動。\n823543\t846412\t當時宣布是在沙崙這裡因為沙崙原來就是綠能、AI、IoT、醫療、生技大概都在那個區塊我們那裡不管是成大醫院或者是像台積電的宿舍訓練人才等等都在台南高鐵站的後站這個地方蓬勃發展那你那時候宣布要設置AI園區就設在這裡\n847608\t874688\t那我這一段時間我詢問了各單位到底這個AI園區是啥是有一個園區是有一個項目還是有硬體有產區有產業園區等等我不知道到目前為止院長對歸人這個AI產業園區你的想定是什麼另外呢NVIDIA已經宣布到高雄那台南有沒有機會爭取到比方說像AMD或者國內大廠的投資那是不是請這個院長再要回答一下\n875688\t895805\t謝謝委員,因為砂輪是一個非常,我想現在硬體設備非常新穎而且充足的一個地方。那未來他應該是向外界去招更多的國際廠商跟國內的廠商能夠進駐。那AI當然是其中重要的一環。因為AI兩個人蘇之鋒跟黃榮旭都我們台南人阿,你放台南是明智的啦。\n896425\t921548\t但是現在就是說到底有沒有具體的發展計畫這所謂的AI園區因為我們有在硬體設備完成之後我們當然提供最好的條件那因為國科會跟這些國際的廠商這個關係也都很好我國科會的主委啊所以他們正在跟外界在把這個條件散發出去希望他們能夠但是我們也要有戰略的佈局所以要多少的廠商進來所以因為時間的關係啊院長我希望具體而明確\n923150\t936467\t國客會主委我們很尊敬他,他是最強的投手,所以他也是台南人。但我覺得發展要明確,那這明確的布局才讓業者說那不是公共的,他才會進來。那他一旦選擇沒有進來這裡,選擇別的地方,\n938490\t941473\t甚至我們會整個S狼帶有一個戰略的地位大家來考慮那沙倫一定是一個起帶頭作用之一\n","txt":"有聲音嗎?來確認一下\n有了,有了,有了。謝謝主席,麻煩院長。麻煩請左院長費詢。黃委員好。議長好早。早。我今天本來準備一堆跟我們這組有關的題目,但是現在社會關注我們重大刑案頻傳,\n在臺灣各縣市,不管是槍擊案件,或者是重大的刑事案件,除了對當事人造成傷害以外,對於社會的安定,民心的穩定都有重大的影響。你身為全國最高行政首長,國家在犯的時候,北省的安全感最重要。請問院長,對於最近這些刑事案件,你有什麼樣的看法以及具體的做法?\n第一個當然很痛心臺灣社會發生這樣一個重大的槍擊事件但是也讓我們更下地的決心向委員報告6月24號行政院我主持的第一次我主持的治安會報當中\n院長我要提醒\n我們現在在院會當你現在講說我們幾月幾號要開始進行所謂掃黑\n我們除了會\n像社會大眾來公布整個成果之外我覺得我們更需要有比較多的力氣在手上無論是樹攤、不論是掃揮、甚至打炸我們都希望院內、大院的這個打炸事法能夠儘速通過讓我們手上握有力氣再來我們對於警方的這些士氣我們要予以鼓勵包括他的設備要如何能夠趕得上這個潮流、這個時代的需要再來就是我覺得\n我相信我們稍後會看到一些成果啦齁。我接下來請教當然這跟經濟部交通部都有關係啦齁。阿咱交通部長李孟岩部長齁在相關的部分可以來做補充齁。\n你知道中國的電動巴士曾經大舉進入台灣市場,它化整為零,拆散開來。拆散開來之後呢,它做了什麼事情呢?\n因為我們台灣補助我們下一張不是這一張我們在補助柴油車換電動車的時候巴士我講的是公共運輸你知道單量最高可以補助680萬台幣我們到2030年前整筆預算各部位加總起來是430億左右要把台灣的老舊污染的柴油車換成電動巴士阿武郎齁\n發言委員：王定宇發言委員：王定宇\n才能符合柴油換電動巴的補助。這十項。所以我是希望我們交通部長也好或者是院長指示的經濟部\n除了這十項當然這是第一階段未來能不能輔導更多的單項在地化讓我們的業者可以進入因為全世界現在都在用傾銷稅抵制中國的電動車包含印度包含歐美所以臺灣的產業界是有機會的那產業界的第一桶金第一個機會就是本土市場既然我們花了430億要把臺灣老舊柴油巴士換成電動巴士的時候\n過去那種類似來台灣組裝洗產地的方式當然不能再發生但現行只有規定10項made 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Taiwan就符合補助辦法應該還要再隨時進行檢討我不知道院長對這個有什麼看法\n目前經濟部有專案小組會審核,經濟部審核通過的廠商有三家,三家都是電動巴士的廠商,由縣市政府來申請,可以自由選擇經濟部核准的名單。\n他下面有很多單項的產業所以我想說目前的做法OK因為有些像電磁型我們不會做目前的做法是列出10項有這10項這台車就送去本土了然後就可以來領這個最高我該講600多萬的補助款從370到600多萬不等那我是說我們行政院應該更進一步\n﹚王定宇\n像前幾年如果沒有國建國造的話我們台灣的造船業大概現在不知道剩下誰了所以我現在講的另外一個情形是美國在5月份宣布對中國的電動車這講的就不是巴士喔所有的電動車輛科徵100%的反請交稅歐盟7月加徵最高37.6%的反補貼臨時關稅其實也是反請交稅那台灣現在是只有禁止整車進口\n華整維林進來組裝掛台灣品牌的所在多有明明是中國車但在台灣掛台灣品牌\n這些有些業者就會鑽這個漏洞那我要這邊提醒行政院就是中國為什麼被苛徵反請交稅三個原因除了他的安全以及資安問題以外他是用國家的資本就用中國政府的錢巨額去補貼他們的電動車產業然後形成了不對稱的競爭不對等的競爭所以被苛徵反請交稅\n好,現在中國車遭毆滅沒辦法,印度也要趕走,他當然還要找他的市場出路。所以台灣如果不注意這個現象的話,台灣市場可能會變成他,要銷他倉庫,他現在倉庫裡面一堆啊,會變銷扣準的地方。\n對我們的產業發展沒有幫助對台灣的經濟結構也會影響我不知道院長對於中國電動車在歐美這些國家被科徵反傾銷稅台灣會不會考慮採取調查我們反傾銷稅之前先要經濟部立案調查調查之後成立之後才會訂稅率就中國電動車在台灣現在看得出來有跡象開始在進來化整為零我們行政院跟交通部的態度是什麼\n謝謝委員當然我們有注意到這一點世界上的潮流是在這樣的用關稅來保護自己國人的安全跟整個產業的生存發展那台灣在這種\n不公平的競爭底下我覺得我們更應該有先前的思考同時不只電動車我覺得這一般的傳統燃油車現在化整為零進口的方式雖然我們對自治的比例目前沒有非常明顯的規定但是如果自治的比例偏低而且用這種化整為零的方式\n謝謝院長。就是說他化整為零進來,變成台灣,他其實是assembled在台灣組裝。是。\n他除了洗產地會不會影響臺灣出口到其他國家的信譽以外對於臺灣我再強調一次汽車產業是系統產業他裡面有很多不同的系統這樣子一進來之後我們原來的業者連發展的機會都沒有所以行政院經濟部相關的單位應該要開始啟動調查\n謝謝委員,我們已經在了解,那今天委員這樣的跟我們提出這樣的建議之後,我們會馬上開始執行這樣的調查跟了解。好謝謝,我們請李貿易院部長請回,我請速發部部長上來。\n你邊走我邊提題目啦,速發部成立以後呢,我們通過了資通安全管理法修正草案,好事,因為不管是資安或者數位產業本來就是未來發展也是台灣的強項,IT有硬體有軟體,但我先請教我們部長,你現在就你了解我們的資安相關人員流動率高還是低?\n如果以政府部門來講,因為外面也蠻多需要人才,所以是有些流動。流動率其實不低喔。那原因除了有外部誘因以外,坦白講政府內部的資安人才不會單純因為外面薪資高就出去了。政府還是一個提供安穩就業,他可以發展的空間,尤其速發部這麼新的部會,\n從各部會把這些資安人才找來,他怎麼可能呆一呆就跑掉呢?我不知道部長就任之後有沒有去盤點這個問題。我們速發部資安署相關單位成立之後,把各單位的資安人才跑到你這邊來了。\n產生第一個問題,那原來各單位的資安人才補進來了沒?補得好不好?夠不夠專業?這個我覺得院長的高度,因為資安就是國安,資安動輒損失千百億啊。我們書發部一成立,各單位都找來了嘛。那找來之後呢,原來單位空缺的資安人員補的到底是什麼樣的人?這是第一個問題。\n第二個,這個蘇發部的治安人員相關的人才進來之後,業務量跟人員的比例相不相當,跟原來期望一不一樣,正在磨合,因為這些新的部會,我數位發展、治安,正在磨合當中,又新增了很多業務,包含剛才院長揭示的打炸。\n我想一部分對沒有錯啦但是我們也有一些這個新的比如說我們有說新的考試類別\n知安的專業能力除了要新還要累積經驗知安人才經驗其實很重要如果他不斷的走我又招募新的經驗不能傳承在單位我們人才變成是幫人家做新兵訓練所以我會建議院長跟部長這裡齁盤點一下速發部現在的業務跟人員\n是不是該適度的在不影響總額或者相關的方式下去注意勞役分配的問題。否則一個新的部會還沒有新的發展人員的穩定其實很重要。沒有你新的業務、新的人\n阿三不夠時又一直換人換人的話,部長不好幹喔,業務也沒辦法推動。所以本期今天用這個題目提醒院長跟部長。接下來我要請教,因為今天時間比較長。我要謝謝卓院長,卓文泰院長就任沒有滿月就來到臺南的歸仁沙崙。那天我在那邊聽得是很感動。\n當時宣布是在沙崙這裡因為沙崙原來就是綠能、AI、IoT、醫療、生技大概都在那個區塊我們那裡不管是成大醫院或者是像台積電的宿舍訓練人才等等都在台南高鐵站的後站這個地方蓬勃發展那你那時候宣布要設置AI園區就設在這裡\n那我這一段時間我詢問了各單位到底這個AI園區是啥是有一個園區是有一個項目還是有硬體有產區有產業園區等等我不知道到目前為止院長對歸人這個AI產業園區你的想定是什麼另外呢NVIDIA已經宣布到高雄那台南有沒有機會爭取到比方說像AMD或者國內大廠的投資那是不是請這個院長再要回答一下\n謝謝委員,因為砂輪是一個非常,我想現在硬體設備非常新穎而且充足的一個地方。那未來他應該是向外界去招更多的國際廠商跟國內的廠商能夠進駐。那AI當然是其中重要的一環。因為AI兩個人蘇之鋒跟黃榮旭都我們台南人阿,你放台南是明智的啦。\n但是現在就是說到底有沒有具體的發展計畫這所謂的AI園區因為我們有在硬體設備完成之後我們當然提供最好的條件那因為國科會跟這些國際的廠商這個關係也都很好我國科會的主委啊所以他們正在跟外界在把這個條件散發出去希望他們能夠但是我們也要有戰略的佈局所以要多少的廠商進來所以因為時間的關係啊院長我希望具體而明確\n國客會主委我們很尊敬他,他是最強的投手,所以他也是台南人。但我覺得發展要明確,那這明確的布局才讓業者說那不是公共的,他才會進來。那他一旦選擇沒有進來這裡,選擇別的地方,\n甚至我們會整個S狼帶有一個戰略的地位大家來考慮那沙倫一定是一個起帶頭作用之一\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:27.045 --> 00:27.425\n有聲音嗎?來確認一下\n\n00:33.406 --> 00:42.294\n有了,有了,有了。謝謝主席,麻煩院長。麻煩請左院長費詢。黃委員好。議長好早。早。我今天本來準備一堆跟我們這組有關的題目,但是現在社會關注我們重大刑案頻傳,\n\n01:03.062 --> 01:30.007\n在臺灣各縣市,不管是槍擊案件,或者是重大的刑事案件,除了對當事人造成傷害以外,對於社會的安定,民心的穩定都有重大的影響。你身為全國最高行政首長,國家在犯的時候,北省的安全感最重要。請問院長,對於最近這些刑事案件,你有什麼樣的看法以及具體的做法?\n\n01:30.984 --> 01:45.236\n第一個當然很痛心臺灣社會發生這樣一個重大的槍擊事件但是也讓我們更下地的決心向委員報告6月24號行政院我主持的第一次我主持的治安會報當中\n\n01:46.974 --> 01:47.314\n院長我要提醒\n\n02:13.328 --> 02:16.575\n我們現在在院會當你現在講說我們幾月幾號要開始進行所謂掃黑\n\n02:20.146 --> 02:20.686\n我們除了會\n\n02:49.642 --> 03:18.736\n像社會大眾來公布整個成果之外我覺得我們更需要有比較多的力氣在手上無論是樹攤、不論是掃揮、甚至打炸我們都希望院內、大院的這個打炸事法能夠儘速通過讓我們手上握有力氣再來我們對於警方的這些士氣我們要予以鼓勵包括他的設備要如何能夠趕得上這個潮流、這個時代的需要再來就是我覺得\n\n03:19.176 --> 03:23.338\n我相信我們稍後會看到一些成果啦齁。我接下來請教當然這跟經濟部交通部都有關係啦齁。阿咱交通部長李孟岩部長齁在相關的部分可以來做補充齁。\n\n03:45.467 --> 03:56.533\n你知道中國的電動巴士曾經大舉進入台灣市場,它化整為零,拆散開來。拆散開來之後呢,它做了什麼事情呢?\n\n03:58.971 --> 04:25.127\n因為我們台灣補助我們下一張不是這一張我們在補助柴油車換電動車的時候巴士我講的是公共運輸你知道單量最高可以補助680萬台幣我們到2030年前整筆預算各部位加總起來是430億左右要把台灣的老舊污染的柴油車換成電動巴士阿武郎齁\n\n04:26.487 --> 04:27.989\n發言委員：王定宇發言委員：王定宇\n\n04:50.006 --> 05:00.079\n才能符合柴油換電動巴的補助。這十項。所以我是希望我們交通部長也好或者是院長指示的經濟部\n\n05:01.846 --> 05:29.493\n除了這十項當然這是第一階段未來能不能輔導更多的單項在地化讓我們的業者可以進入因為全世界現在都在用傾銷稅抵制中國的電動車包含印度包含歐美所以臺灣的產業界是有機會的那產業界的第一桶金第一個機會就是本土市場既然我們花了430億要把臺灣老舊柴油巴士換成電動巴士的時候\n\n05:31.974 --> 05:46.715\n過去那種類似來台灣組裝洗產地的方式當然不能再發生但現行只有規定10項madeinTaiwan就符合補助辦法應該還要再隨時進行檢討我不知道院長對這個有什麼看法\n\n05:48.148 --> 05:51.089\n目前經濟部有專案小組會審核,經濟部審核通過的廠商有三家,三家都是電動巴士的廠商,由縣市政府來申請,可以自由選擇經濟部核准的名單。\n\n06:14.901 --> 06:35.323\n他下面有很多單項的產業所以我想說目前的做法OK因為有些像電磁型我們不會做目前的做法是列出10項有這10項這台車就送去本土了然後就可以來領這個最高我該講600多萬的補助款從370到600多萬不等那我是說我們行政院應該更進一步\n\n06:36.004 --> 06:36.184\n﹚王定宇\n\n06:55.575 --> 07:23.773\n像前幾年如果沒有國建國造的話我們台灣的造船業大概現在不知道剩下誰了所以我現在講的另外一個情形是美國在5月份宣布對中國的電動車這講的就不是巴士喔所有的電動車輛科徵100%的反請交稅歐盟7月加徵最高37.6%的反補貼臨時關稅其實也是反請交稅那台灣現在是只有禁止整車進口\n\n07:25.395 --> 07:31.946\n華整維林進來組裝掛台灣品牌的所在多有明明是中國車但在台灣掛台灣品牌\n\n07:33.394 --> 07:53.172\n這些有些業者就會鑽這個漏洞那我要這邊提醒行政院就是中國為什麼被苛徵反請交稅三個原因除了他的安全以及資安問題以外他是用國家的資本就用中國政府的錢巨額去補貼他們的電動車產業然後形成了不對稱的競爭不對等的競爭所以被苛徵反請交稅\n\n07:58.877 --> 08:13.744\n好,現在中國車遭毆滅沒辦法,印度也要趕走,他當然還要找他的市場出路。所以台灣如果不注意這個現象的話,台灣市場可能會變成他,要銷他倉庫,他現在倉庫裡面一堆啊,會變銷扣準的地方。\n\n08:17.325 --> 08:44.717\n對我們的產業發展沒有幫助對台灣的經濟結構也會影響我不知道院長對於中國電動車在歐美這些國家被科徵反傾銷稅台灣會不會考慮採取調查我們反傾銷稅之前先要經濟部立案調查調查之後成立之後才會訂稅率就中國電動車在台灣現在看得出來有跡象開始在進來化整為零我們行政院跟交通部的態度是什麼\n\n08:45.586 --> 08:56.101\n謝謝委員當然我們有注意到這一點世界上的潮流是在這樣的用關稅來保護自己國人的安全跟整個產業的生存發展那台灣在這種\n\n08:58.715 --> 09:20.198\n不公平的競爭底下我覺得我們更應該有先前的思考同時不只電動車我覺得這一般的傳統燃油車現在化整為零進口的方式雖然我們對自治的比例目前沒有非常明顯的規定但是如果自治的比例偏低而且用這種化整為零的方式\n\n09:21.308 --> 09:23.550\n謝謝院長。就是說他化整為零進來,變成台灣,他其實是assembled在台灣組裝。是。\n\n09:38.706 --> 09:55.350\n他除了洗產地會不會影響臺灣出口到其他國家的信譽以外對於臺灣我再強調一次汽車產業是系統產業他裡面有很多不同的系統這樣子一進來之後我們原來的業者連發展的機會都沒有所以行政院經濟部相關的單位應該要開始啟動調查\n\n09:58.251 --> 10:02.214\n謝謝委員,我們已經在了解,那今天委員這樣的跟我們提出這樣的建議之後,我們會馬上開始執行這樣的調查跟了解。好謝謝,我們請李貿易院部長請回,我請速發部部長上來。\n\n10:27.352 --> 10:50.820\n你邊走我邊提題目啦,速發部成立以後呢,我們通過了資通安全管理法修正草案,好事,因為不管是資安或者數位產業本來就是未來發展也是台灣的強項,IT有硬體有軟體,但我先請教我們部長,你現在就你了解我們的資安相關人員流動率高還是低?\n\n10:52.543 --> 11:12.751\n如果以政府部門來講,因為外面也蠻多需要人才,所以是有些流動。流動率其實不低喔。那原因除了有外部誘因以外,坦白講政府內部的資安人才不會單純因為外面薪資高就出去了。政府還是一個提供安穩就業,他可以發展的空間,尤其速發部這麼新的部會,\n\n11:13.672 --> 11:27.125\n從各部會把這些資安人才找來,他怎麼可能呆一呆就跑掉呢?我不知道部長就任之後有沒有去盤點這個問題。我們速發部資安署相關單位成立之後,把各單位的資安人才跑到你這邊來了。\n\n11:28.600 --> 11:52.426\n產生第一個問題,那原來各單位的資安人才補進來了沒?補得好不好?夠不夠專業?這個我覺得院長的高度,因為資安就是國安,資安動輒損失千百億啊。我們書發部一成立,各單位都找來了嘛。那找來之後呢,原來單位空缺的資安人員補的到底是什麼樣的人?這是第一個問題。\n\n11:53.490 --> 12:14.639\n第二個,這個蘇發部的治安人員相關的人才進來之後,業務量跟人員的比例相不相當,跟原來期望一不一樣,正在磨合,因為這些新的部會,我數位發展、治安,正在磨合當中,又新增了很多業務,包含剛才院長揭示的打炸。\n\n12:15.677 --> 12:18.759\n我想一部分對沒有錯啦但是我們也有一些這個新的比如說我們有說新的考試類別\n\n12:46.578 --> 13:03.950\n知安的專業能力除了要新還要累積經驗知安人才經驗其實很重要如果他不斷的走我又招募新的經驗不能傳承在單位我們人才變成是幫人家做新兵訓練所以我會建議院長跟部長這裡齁盤點一下速發部現在的業務跟人員\n\n13:09.133 --> 13:21.502\n是不是該適度的在不影響總額或者相關的方式下去注意勞役分配的問題。否則一個新的部會還沒有新的發展人員的穩定其實很重要。沒有你新的業務、新的人\n\n13:23.442 --> 13:42.222\n阿三不夠時又一直換人換人的話,部長不好幹喔,業務也沒辦法推動。所以本期今天用這個題目提醒院長跟部長。接下來我要請教,因為今天時間比較長。我要謝謝卓院長,卓文泰院長就任沒有滿月就來到臺南的歸仁沙崙。那天我在那邊聽得是很感動。\n\n13:43.543 --> 14:06.412\n當時宣布是在沙崙這裡因為沙崙原來就是綠能、AI、IoT、醫療、生技大概都在那個區塊我們那裡不管是成大醫院或者是像台積電的宿舍訓練人才等等都在台南高鐵站的後站這個地方蓬勃發展那你那時候宣布要設置AI園區就設在這裡\n\n14:07.608 --> 14:34.688\n那我這一段時間我詢問了各單位到底這個AI園區是啥是有一個園區是有一個項目還是有硬體有產區有產業園區等等我不知道到目前為止院長對歸人這個AI產業園區你的想定是什麼另外呢NVIDIA已經宣布到高雄那台南有沒有機會爭取到比方說像AMD或者國內大廠的投資那是不是請這個院長再要回答一下\n\n14:35.688 --> 14:55.805\n謝謝委員,因為砂輪是一個非常,我想現在硬體設備非常新穎而且充足的一個地方。那未來他應該是向外界去招更多的國際廠商跟國內的廠商能夠進駐。那AI當然是其中重要的一環。因為AI兩個人蘇之鋒跟黃榮旭都我們台南人阿,你放台南是明智的啦。\n\n14:56.425 --> 15:21.548\n但是現在就是說到底有沒有具體的發展計畫這所謂的AI園區因為我們有在硬體設備完成之後我們當然提供最好的條件那因為國科會跟這些國際的廠商這個關係也都很好我國科會的主委啊所以他們正在跟外界在把這個條件散發出去希望他們能夠但是我們也要有戰略的佈局所以要多少的廠商進來所以因為時間的關係啊院長我希望具體而明確\n\n15:23.150 --> 15:36.467\n國客會主委我們很尊敬他,他是最強的投手,所以他也是台南人。但我覺得發展要明確,那這明確的布局才讓業者說那不是公共的,他才會進來。那他一旦選擇沒有進來這裡,選擇別的地方,\n\n15:38.490 --> 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